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>BREAKING:
>The Afghan Taliban declare that they are launching a large-scale offensive against Pakistan.
>“In response to repeated border violations and aggressive actions by Pakistani forces, extensive offensive operations have begun against Pakistani military bases and positions along the Durand Line,” said an official Taliban spokesperson.
>According to him, Taliban forces have already taken control of several Pakistani army posts. Clashes are now underway in six border provinces.
>The Durand Line is an almost unmarked 2,640-kilometer border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Wake up anon your annual sandnigger chimpout just dropped
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>>64904262
Wait till you see what we do with them in the 2030s!
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>>64904141
They retreated into Pakistan, who provided them support and a base of operations that the Americans couldn't touch, until the Americans got bored and left. I'm not sure the strategy of relying on Pakistani support is going to work against Pakistan.
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Cool, I could do with a comfy little war. Do they have enough gopros?
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>>64904630
how about you just le comfy kill yourself already?
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ISI director to the Pakistani president right now
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>>64904166
>Pakistan ISI spent almost 20 years supporting these fags to fuck over America
Yeah, at least the CIA never spends billions supporting terrorists to fuck over an enemy only to have it blow up in their face.
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>>64904186
>Pakistans just going to spam missiles like every other third world nation
I *really* don't think that's the third world option.
Pakistan is going to show that they're actually on pretty good terms with the first world and has an army that is somewhat trained and equipped by the first world.
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>>64904262
>the 2020s haven't been kind to Muslim armies
Both your examples lost to Muslim armies too, the lesson seems to be that Muslim armies are best on offence and zerg tactics are their surest chance of success.
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>>64904661
>the games the ISI likes to play
>>64904550
>not sure the strategy of relying on Pakistani support is going to work against Pakistan
Pakistan isn't exactly a unified country and its security apparatus make the IJN and IJA look like a friendly brunch meeting of the US Joint Chiefs.
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>>64904926
Muslim armies have not done very well at actual offensive operations without heavy support and military hardware trade from the US/EU or if they can't afford the good shit China/Russia. The cottage industries of Afghanistan and Pakistan aren't going to be able to support an attritional modern war without outside aid and outside of a face saving short term artillery missile and air asset chimpout with small arms being shot in anger at nothing it will be catastrophic to both countries.
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>>64905035
I dunno, the Pakis did okay against India tho. Depends on how you want to define better, but JF-17 and J-10CE are obviously going to have better interconnectivity than whatever Soviet-built rust-bucket people are still flying around these days. Not to go all Hohol HATO shill here, but we've seen plenty of footage of Russians flying around with Garmins and shit, and I haven't seen the chinks do that.
China is much wealthier than Russia and more modern. That's why their cities look so flashy, you know? Russia is building on top of old foundations while China is building from the ground up, even if it's on top of styrofoam half the time. Even if they can't make an engine that works to save their life, situational awareness is worth more than raw power in battle, and I think China just has the resources to do it better.
I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems to me like the bug people are gonna be a little bit better about putting computers in everything then some old Soviet dude. Then again, the Russians are taking on NATO right now. Could the Chinese do that? I 'unno, mang.
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>I tried so hard and got so fa-ACK
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>>64904732
>pretends to be someone else
>calls others shitskins first thinking no one will notice
>further demands he's entertained with le worthless brown kino
>can't even pretend he's into guns to notice what was posted
>uses the plural to appeal to majority
>just keeps spewing his turdie drivel about america, cia and israel
/pol/yps are such abominations, no wonder they're always wrong
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Taliban bros... I don't feel so good.
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>>64905340
What was the point of the attack, looks like they got fucked for no reason
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>>64905364
Afghanistan and Pakistan share a 2500 klik unmarked border, it's been a source of problems since they moved back in (vidrel). They seem to have made a drastic mistake in their assessment of Pakistan's willingness or ability to rapidly respond to a "WE ARE INVADING YOU"-level escalation.
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>>64905364
>What was the point of the attack
what indeed...
no but seriously according to the Taliban, it's a response to a Paki attack from a few days ago (which they obviously deny).
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>>64905416
>sit in a cave for 20 years until invader gets bored and leaves
I mean yeah, that's technically winning at the strategic level of the conflict. But calling it a "military defeat" is nothing short of a turd worlder cope.
The truth is the US could waltz into Afghanistan tomorrow, dismantle the Taliban government, and install its own puppet government again, if it really wanted to, as it did in the 2000s
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>>64905525
>the US could waltz in and dismantle the government and install a puppet again if it really wanted too
this is 100% truth
in Hindsight, what the US should have done after the original invasion, was set the old King back up as ruler
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Don't the Taliban have US equipment and lots of experience? Assuming they're willing to do a little war crimes, I can fully see them sneaking into Pakistani cities and poisoning their water supply or taking out their power stations or setting up minefields on highways in the dark using NVGs while blending into their populations, bringing the Paki economy to its knees.
Seeing a guerilla invasion happen might be neat.
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>>64904123
Is this like a civil war since Taliban are also based in Pakistan?
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>>64905422
Would you two like to point out what you are seeing in this video from at least early 2024 that makes it obvious AI in your eyes?
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>>64904123
Where are they gonna flee to when they lose since Pakistan is against them now?
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>>64905292
>already lost
LMAO.
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>>64905550
>Don't the Taliban have US equipment
Most of that shit is broken
>and lots of experience
Guerrilla warfare does not correlate well into professional military experience, especially if it's against your former backer
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>>64905422
>NOOO IT'S FAKE! MY RETARDED GOAT-HERDERS WHO WAITED IN CAVES FOR ALMOST 2 DECADES WOULDN'T GET AMBUSHED AND BTFO BY PAKI'S!
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>>64905548
>invasion
It wasn't an invasion, it was basically a humanitarian rescue. Uncle Sam started bombing them a bit because the Taliban wouldn't hand over Osama, and the whole fucking government literally ran for the hills and plunged the country into anarchy.
You know, suddenly the current situation is making a lot more sense.
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>>64905760
>he doesn't know
Those ARE Pakis.
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>>64905583
But the Iranian’s don’t like the Taliban, and there’s a very real possibility that Iran will be getting spit roasted by the USAF/N in near future so that would be a out of the frying pan and into the fire sort of situation. For their other options there is
>Tajikistan
The Tajiks have got their own beef with the Talibs and will kill anyone that tries to cross the boarder but they are the best best for hideout since they don’t have the most robust of militaries.
>Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan
Hell no, both those countries have a strict “no Jihadi zone” policy and they have enough equipment to wipe any fleeing Talibs
>China
This one would be the funniest so I’d suggest they go there
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>>64905907
They probably don't have one. These are the same clowns that shortly after starting to run a country, all they could do was bitch about how hard it was to work and how everyone just hired their useless relatives
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>>64905340
Interesting. According to a BBC report he was so extremist he got in conflict with many other Taliban who just wanted to grow fat and corrupt in peace. His death might actually lead to a milder Afghani government.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg7vdpy1l2vo
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>>64905975
I think there's more to this than people realize. It's easy to talk about how nobody does logistics, but I'm starting to think that there's a two-part process to making a modern military or country.
>have enough food security that you can have a good chunk of the population not engaged in survival needs
>convince a significant chunk of them to sit down and do BORING NERD SHIT for BORING NERDS
And I want to stress that that seems to be the real sticking point. Without it, societies seem to hard cap at the feudal level, because nobody wants to spend their lives filing paperwork or operating a forklift, so coordination just falls the fuck apart beyond line-of-sight. And it gets worse if you make it to Step 1 but not all the way, because your population that wants to do exciting shit without doing the groundwork to do it effectively just gives you a very large, highly energetic, and exceptionally brittle military.
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>>64905907
Anon you think these guys think their plans through beyond
>muh caliphate lolXD
they do OK when all they have to worry about is local tribal politics where all they need to do is secure enough food and water for the village, and even then they still often fail. Move up to a state, especially a modern state, and they all collapse without external funding and assistance from an actual state.
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>>64906001
How old and educated are you? That's literally how societal evolution works. The better and more efficient a society gets at handling basic necessities, the fewer people are needed to produce those, the easier it is to reproduce, and more people can pursue other fields. But no, the articles that popped up a couple years ago about the Taliban bitching about how it was to run the government were laughing at how they somehow thought it would be easy and they had fired all the women employees due to their religious rules that would have been incredibly helpful.
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>>64906061
>The better and more efficient a society gets at handling basic necessities, the fewer people are needed to produce those, the easier it is to reproduce, and more people can pursue other fields
And my point is that that's a bigger hurdle than we appreciate. It's the self-actualization thing, because a lot of that foundational work to hold a modern society together is stuff that very few people would take as their first career choice. Consequently, we have a lot of societies to this day that have all the pieces and just decline to go there. Combine that with the veneration of the warrior that emerges everywhere during the period when the warrior is running everything because he's the only thing holding this agrarian shitshow together, and you end up sucking all your excess manpower in that direction.
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>>64905383
>What the hell are they getting hit with?
Given that the first dust splashes are a good 10-15m off the target which then drives into the field of fire before it can stop...
I'd say that it's a pre-sighted MG on the next hill over and the troops have no idea where the fire is coming from and no time to work it out (because they die).
I do like that they have ECM modules though, would have helped against the drones. If there were any.
The tactics suggest Taliban attackers but the larping as a field army but not using actual APCs to transport troops in a dangerous region...seems more like Taliban defenders/victims.
I'm confused, I'd have thought Pakis would definitely have Chinese APCs they would use here, I can accept that Taliban might not be able to keep whatever HMMVs and Bradleys they have in running condition but Pakis don't need to use MG ambushes either and could equally use mortars and air support too.
Maybe Paki ground forces just wanted some action and didn't feel like lugging artillery around.
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>>64905396
>ai footage
AI has easily gotten to the point where a video like that can be easily created but that just means that you won't accept any video.
Better to ask why it should be AI rather than something that we know is happening right now.
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>>64905550
>Don't the Taliban have US equipment and lots of experience?
Not really. Their experience is of a different nature.
Much of the equipment will be dead by now, they can probably acquire the service manuals but there's no way any manufacturer is shipping spare parts to Afghanistan.
NVGs are an item that degrades over time. Especially if used poorly.
>Assuming they're willing to do a little war crimes
Taliban aren't a particularly war-crimey faction, believe it or not. They consider themselves somewhat honourable.
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>>64905824
>This one would be the funniest so I’d suggest they go there
It's unlikely that China will welcome unruly muslims, they're already trying to genocide that style of faction in the territories they've already conquered.
Though now that I think about it, if Xi wanted to paint the map and maybe whip the army into fighting form as practice for invasions he really cares about...maybe Chinese intervention in Eastern Afghanistan to create a "demilitarised zone" full of refugee camps under their protection, might not be out of the question?
China might enjoy occupying that corridor between the two 'Stans and building a highway and rail through Wakhan National Park that connects their HSR to a slower but safer freight line that gets them closer to Iran and the Caspian. They can give the Taliban shelter from Pakistan within their occupied zones and the Taliban can keep bandits off the highway and ensure nobody plants bombs on the new B&R project or the pipeline that will inevitably be built.
Some pipeline royalties will help keep the more influential Taliban on side too.
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>>64905365
You are an absolute faggot if you wouldn't while given a chance.
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>>64905975
>These are the same clowns that shortly after starting to run a country, all they could do was bitch about how hard it was to work
Remember online manosphere warrior-poets creaming themselves over Chadlibans because they too were not meant for the Excel mines?
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>>64905982
It may not even have been about 'growing fat'.
As poor a shithole as it is basic services like banking are well and truly dependent on the internet and cutting it off was profoundly retarded.
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>>64906453
>because now outside of a few major groups' books its all dangerous AI slop
Online certainly and there are those fake publishers on Amazon that sell reformatted wikipedia articles but if you order through any reputable publisher (basically anyone with a name you recognise), surely it's going to be a real book?
Not to mention just buying a book in a book store of course.
Go chat to Emily in the bookshop/cafe and she'll have some recommendations.
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>>64906788
>Im sure Emily knows about mycology in her book shop
She'll certainly know where they are on the shelf but you're out of your mind if you think art girls can't at least recommend the Vegan's Guide to Forest Mushrooms or something.
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>>64906199
>Maybe Paki ground forces just wanted some action and didn't feel like lugging artillery around.
You still want to actually stop enemy forces so they can't get behind your lines.
And just camping the dirt roads with a few MG teams is cheap, low risk and effective.
If it works they're dead.
If it doesn't it slows or stops them and you can call in the airstrike.
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>>64907140
>They literally had a border clash with Iran right after they came into power, these goat fucker has nothing but to wage a war in the name of jihad
Times have changed, Iran can't afford to piss their neighbours off and might need sanctuary somewhere else anyway (though presumably they'd go to Russia).
Since Taliban might be in a similar position very soon, some sort of accommodation could be made.
The Taliban are eminently practical when they're not being retarded, they had no trouble making nice with ISI while the US was the bigger problem.
The IRG might appreciate a bunch of ruthless thugs to keep some troublesome border cities in line while central authority is shaky and their own barracks are occasionally exploding.
>>64907674
>Pakistan has a surprisingly competent airforce for a thirdy nation.
US trained and somewhat equipped.
>>64907695
>If it doesn't it slows or stops them and you can call in the airstrike.
Fair enough.
It's certainly cheaper than an air mission and I guess the Paki airforce is going to have a budget and it's not going to be as limitless as their benefactors.
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>>64907511
Now this is /k/
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>>64908053
>I only read books with pictures
100% American, no need to show your gun.
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>>64908064
Stop, I can only handle so much concentrated AMERICA all at once.
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>>64907081
Fun fact, the Pakistan Taliban wants to commit terrorist acts in India to trigger an Indian invasion of Pakistan so they can rise up and break off parts of eastern Pakistan while Pakistan is busy fighting India.
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>>64905982
Not confirmed dead yet, and anyone who followed the GWOT knows how many false alarms get made about killing senior leadership.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/16013982/taliban-hibatullah-akhundzada-mi ssing-dead/
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Talib drone strikes within Pakistan
https://x.com/AfghanAnalyst2/status/2027306624633741485
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>>64908475
Wasn't expecting cookies in /k/ to be quite honest.
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Travor Ball coverage of Pakistan strikes within Afghanistan
https://x.com/Easybakeovensz/status/2027454056759697438
Kabul before.
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>>64908565
Kandahar Airbase before & after.
https://x.com/Easybakeovensz/status/2027492148027830509
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Qais Alamdar has been geoconfirming and debunking videos and photos related to this. Would recommend.
https://x.com/Qaisalamdar/status/2027078991081873861
https://x.com/qaisalamdar/status/2027166184571814120
https://x.com/Qaisalamdar/status/2027166189114233216
https://x.com/Qaisalamdar/status/2027172857596256540
https://x.com/Qaisalamdar/status/2027302872434495685
https://x.com/Qaisalamdar/status/2027200456439542111
https://x.com/Qaisalamdar/status/2027312539076362472
https://x.com/Qaisalamdar/status/2027357152839365060
https://x.com/Qaisalamdar/status/2027357159277609083
https://x.com/Qaisalamdar/status/2027416820601209195
Both sides lie so it's best to verify before regurgitating it.
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Oh nonono don't tell me fucking Pakistan can conduct better airstrikes than Russia LMAO
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>>64906440
lmao
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>>64906051
Don't you ever talk shit about forklifts unless you are forklift certified you little monkey nigger, they are one of the coolest and most valuable machines around and any real man will tell you the same.
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>>64905416
>Afghanistan has military defeated everyone who invaded them
That's the opposite of the truth. From 300BC until the early modern era, Afghanistan has been run a train on by half of Eurasia. They've been a perpetual conduit for steppenigger empires straight into India.
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>>64904137
The militaries in those countries are nothing but 'glorious careers' to make connections/get power. Every enlisted will turn tail and run the second an actual war starts. Taliban and other insurgent groups fight for a cause they fully believe in.
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>>64913098
Are you ESL, or just badly educated? "Graveyard of Empires" doesn't mean empires collapse after going there, dimwit. It means empires since Alexander, who otherwise conquered the shit out of everything else, have buried shitloads of soldiers there for no fucking benefit.
Crack a fucking book once, fuckwit.
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>>64904141
Nobody can dispute their win but I cant see them winning against Pakistan especially if theyre going on the offensive along with (from what I remember) a substantial resistance in the north of the country to worry about. As insane as it is could we see India and the Taliban working together to tear Pakistan in two? Maybe not directly but taking advantage of forcing Pakistan into a two front war?
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>>64907390
>dude being seduced by a billionaire milf werewolf
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>>64904922
>whataboutism
C l a s s i c
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>>64916876
>gun trucks not technicals
Nam bros we're so back!
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>>64920714
>Are the Taliban our allies again?
Technically, Pakistan is a western ally.
That's obviously not something we lean on very hard but in this fight, our governments are probably technically aligned with Pakistan but in practice they're microwaving some popcorn.
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>>64916938
>getting their airbases bombed and then get your nuke facilities bombed to the point mutts have to enter for a ceasefire agreement
Except that never happened. Why do you lie so blatantly? If this is an izzat thing, it has backfired horribly because you just made a fool of yourself in front of everyone. Did you expect people to just accept your outlandish and delusional claim? Did you think this lie makes you look strong, instead of making you look like a pathetic liar and a weakling who talks big to compensate for real-life failure?
>>64913367
Most of the empires that occupied Afghanistan prior to the modern era actually got quite wealthy by controlling the land trade routes connecting the Indian subcontinent to the rest of Eurasia. Many of them stayed for centuries, for example the Greeks, the Kushan, and the Timurids. Afghanistan was under the thumb of foreign empires from 500s BC until the 1700s AD. The "graveyard" myth didn't even exist until the British invented it in the 1800s.