>>64904917
>dont get a 2011
Seems like your gripes arent a problem if i get a .45 acp double stack 1911

>>64904994
What's a good one?

>>64905005
Idk i was considering the rock island but im probably not even gonna get one i just wanted to talk some shit

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>>64904994
9mm 2011s are perfectly reliable now, I don’t know what he’s talking about

Best .45 2011 is the Kimber Warrior DS, it’s around 1k. 11/13 round capacity with “flush” and extended mags. The 10mm variant is 15/18 and 10mm prices aren’t that much more than .45 these days.

I spent a lot of money making my own .45 2011 just for Kimber to drop exactly what I wanted at 1k and mostly be what I want. You can always upgrade a 2011 with better parts later, since Kimber uses MIM.

>>64904917
>CZ or a steel framed PDP or M&P if you want to reduce recoil.
All of them still have an inferior trigger to the 1911.
>Manufacturers are paying attention.
I've been hoping for a good replacement for the 1911, but most of these companies making expensive comp guns (that are alternatives to the 1911) will still cheap out and put a pivoting hinge trigger rather than a straight-pull, sliding trigger that every shooter loves. We've had decades of people gravitating to the obsolete (by obsolete I mean aging, not useless) design because the trigger is just that good. Modern handguns have improved on the 1911 in every way except that trigger. It's been decades since shooting sports have become mainstream, and companies still won't get the hint. We almost got another good trigger with the Hudson H9, but that gun was deeply flawed; sometimes people will get a Tokarev pistol to enjoy that nice trigger in a different platform. Other than those, it's so over for good trigger fans.

Anyone ever tried to get Para/RIA mags to work in a 2011?

>>64904917
>Just get a CZ or a steel framed PDP or M&P if you want to reduce recoil.
Ok cool you're posting an opinion online without the slightest scrap of experience to back it up.

A 2011 is enormously softer shooting than any of those guns, especially the PDP which is the worst of the lot. It's softer than Glock, it's softer than anything. And that's before you add a ton of weight with a steel grip or extended dust cover or brass magwell or add a comp.

You really thought your dumb ass 5 second opinion gleaned from the factious title of a youtube video from a guy whose life revolves around 2011s was worth a thread?

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>2011 faggots when you tell them there are multiple good quality double stack metal-frame hammer-fired handguns that have been around for decades that can be had for less than 2500 dollars

>>64908616
None of them have as good a trigger as the 2011, so none of them will receive the same amount of love in competitive spaces.

>>64908616
the 2011 has been around since the 90s

>>64908638
>None of them have as good a trigger as the 2011
yeah right

>>64908897
No, it's true; the second a different design with a trigger that is just as good or better comes out into the market, we'll see many competition shooters abandon the 1911/2011 obsession. The other designs are better in many ways, except for the trigger, so the 2011 persists.

>>64908911
competition shooters shoot a wide variety of guns with great triggers

>>64909204
>competition shooters shoot a wide variety of guns with great triggers
They all start out with a variety of guns, and yet, the most hardcore of comp shooters all end up gravitating to the 2011 despite its many flaws (finicky magazine, awful feed ramp that makes them ammo finicky, high cost, etc.).

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>>64904917
>tfw Glock mag 2011s have the same grip width of a 1911 but compfags refuse to use them

>>64908897
Name one. Just one, not even going to make you list multiples as though such a feature is common. I'll wait to laugh.

>>64909228
>finicky magazine, awful feed ramp that makes them ammo finicky
Are 2011s really that much worse than the old P14-45s?

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>>64909366
how about you first define a better trigger and then post your preferred handgun that you actually own

>>64909480
I didn't think so.

>>64904994
Rip in pepperoni para ord

>>64909228
competition shooters typically go through an ungodly amount of handguns specifically tuned or made for competition shooting

>>64909485
just what i thought

>>64905059
I’m glad that they dropped a non-race gun themed double-stack 2011. I think no one uses .45’s in Major division anymore. Is Kimber Gtg now?

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>>64905420
>All of them still have an inferior trigger to the 1911.
nah

>>64905005
I'm actually interested in finding a bare steel 2011 frame and putting my own together.
I'm buying an Colt 70 series government model slide and barrel (I just want the roll on the side, honestly), gonna have it milled for RMS pattern dot and cut for a tritium front sight.
I'm hoping I can get one of the manufacturers to sell me just the frame by itself.

why don't they just chamber them in 38 super rimless? if you have money for a 2011 you have money for obscure semi-wildcat ammo.

>>64904917
I wonder what the 2111 will be like.

>>64904917
1911/2011s are dogshit. It's a midwit scam gun.

Glock 17 or Five-seveN make every gun in existence redundant aside from J and N frame size revolvers.

>metal-frame DA/DA stans on /k/ hate 2011s because they're too popular with the crowd they don't like.

whats ur explanation for STILL being a contrarian at your age?

>>64910931
i don't hate 2011s, i just hate people who don't even own one that say it's some kind of ultimate handgun. They seriously act as if good DA hammer fired guns haven't been around for longer than any of us have been alive. 2011s are cool but not 3000 dollars (used) cool.

>>64910951
nigga you can get staccatos for under 2k used.

>>64910963
1800 dollars niiice.
but anyway i've seen used Staccatos on Gutbroker for 3000 dollars, in fact i think it's still on there. Point is, people pay way to much fucking money for this shit. The Turk 2011s and other American made ones are actually pretty reasonably priced compared to Shillato.

>>64910951
My first impression is that they weren’t ultimate handguns and a quality hammer fired or even striker fired is enough. But with more trigger time they’re ultimate handguns but I’m a 1911 autist

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>>64909487
I wish Wilson would resurrect the KZ45.

>>64909372
>Are 2011s really that much worse than the old P14-45s?
Many people would argue that they are slightly better. Both have the problems mentioned in the post you replied to.

>>64909480
>how about you first define a better trigger
The guy you were replying to already did, you absolute troglodyte. See >>64905420
>most of these companies making expensive comp guns (that are alternatives to the 1911) will still cheap out and put a pivoting hinge trigger rather than a straight-pull, sliding trigger that every shooter loves.
No other pistol on the market has a trigger as smooth due to their pivoting hinge design. Now you have multiple people calling you wrong. BTW, he's under no obligation to answer your request if you won't answer his request in >>64909366 first.

>>64909492
>competition shooters typically go through an ungodly amount of handguns specifically tuned or made for competition shooting
That is correct; it affirms the statement you are replying to. Most competition shooters start out with their carry gun or duty gun, and at the end of the finish line, the majority of them have gravitated to the heavily modified 2011, only pulling out the other guns when they want to participate in a specific division (like when Jerry Mikulek wants to participate in the revolver division or when Bob Vogel wanted to compete in the stock duty gun division). Its funny watching a few of you try and deny that the overwhelming majority of competition shooters own a 2011. You're coping.

>>64909569
Oh yeah, that pivoting hinge is most definitely inferior to a 1911s straight pull, sliding trigger.

>>64910951
If you are not competing, then you don't need one. There are many handguns out there that are reliable, durable, and accurate and will serve you excellently for self-defense, but the fact that the 2011s trigger gives competition shooters such a large advantage over other comp shooters that want to be unique is undeniable. By all means carry a stock striker-slop (cringe) or a DA/SA (based) or whatever, but the people serious about shooting will all eventually get the gun that undeniably has the best trigger.
>They seriously act as if good DA hammer fired guns haven't been around for longer than any of us have been alive.
Derringers have been around for longer than any of us have been alive, does that mean derringers are the best gun?

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>>64909372
Magazines have been fixed ever since they stopped the two peice welded design (that causes warping of the neck) and copied atlas' homework on upping the spring rate a fuck ton.

>>64911762
what is that? RMRcc?

who makes that slide release

>>64911772
RMRcc.

Chopped down Fusion extended 1911 released. It was long enough to where my thumb was interfering with the lock back (they go all the way to the safety almost) and I spent idk how many month's thinking it was my mags. Once I chopped it down the lock back has been 100% reliable.

It's still longer than a normal slide release, and is still long enough that I can one hand manipulative everything on the gun without doing the palm flip.

Also serrated my mag cheely release.

>>64911772
https://fusionfirearms.com/1911-slide-stop-9mm-10mm-extended-thin-paddle-stainless-matte

>>64911824
>>64911790
Thanks, didn't realize it was cut down

>>64911678
>The guy you were replying to already did
how the fuck am i supposed to know that's him? Are you him? Lol
>No other pistol on the market has a trigger as smooth due to their pivoting hinge design
there are other handguns with 1911esque triggers that aren't 2011s, i mean shit, even just a 1911. 2011s are just marketed by namely Staccato as not only being competition guns but duty guns as well. They amp their fanboys up way too much. Besides that though, there are plenty of tuned handguns or higher end handguns with great crisp trigger jobs that are probably just as nice. I mean damn, at the end of the day, it's like 5% better?

>>64911696
welp i'll take your word for it that all competition shooters use 2011s. I guess all those times i've seen them using 1911s, Smith & Wessons, CZs, were just illusions

>>64911962
>there are other handguns with 1911esque triggers that aren't 2011s
Correct, in this thread they've already mentioned the failure that was the Hudson H9 and they mentioned the Tokarev (Russia's love letter to the 1911).
>there are plenty of tuned handguns or higher end handguns with great crisp trigger jobs that are probably just as nice.
There are nice triggers, but they don't come close to the 1911/2011 plattform.

>>64911978
>welp i'll take your word for it that all competition shooters use 2011s. I guess all those times i've seen them using 1911s
My point extended to 1911s too, you crybaby.
>Smith & Wessons, CZs, were just illusions
I never claimed that no competition shooter has ever shot anything else; anyone who reads the comment you are replying to and then your response will understand that you're making a pathetic strawman. They all start somewhere and end up with a 1911/2011 design when they've reached or are reaching the peak of their skill.

>>64912122
>My point extended to 1911s too, you crybaby
pfft you only said 2011s

>>64912822
May I point you to my first comments, you illiterate tard? See >>64905420 and >>64908911. Furthermore, you are extremely pathetic for trying to claim that wide-body 1911s and 2011s are somehow different from 1911s. You know damn well I have been talking about the glorious trigger JMB created.

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>>64912822
Talk about retarded.

With the exception of the trigger bow and mag release all 1911 mechanical parts interchange with 2011s.

And those two parts? They're just wider due to the doublestack magazine.

My roll your own 2011 is all series 70 1911 parts outside of the trigger, mag release, the grip and the frame.

The only reason why the term 2011 exists is marketing from STI to differentiate their version of a widebody 1911 from para-ordinances since the mags are a different shape.

>>64911727
ok slidie

>>64912950
only said 2011 here >>64911696
and here >>64909228
keep coping
>they all use 2011s
>okay they may use multiple handguns but they all gravitate towards 2011s
>ok not just 2011s but any 1911
post your 2011 you filthy fanboy

>>64904917
>Just get a CZ or a steel framed PDP or M&P if you want to reduce recoil.
I don't give a fuck about recoil. I want one for the runaway best trigger on the fucking planet by miles.

>>64909569
>nah
Except YEAH, you fucking retard.

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>>64908897
>yeah right
Yes. Right.

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>>64910708
>Glock 17 or Five-seveN make every gun in existence redundant aside from J and N frame size revolvers.

>>64909534
idk man I consider any 1911 with the hollowed hammer a gay race gun

>>64916606
>>64916614
MY 3000 DOLLAR 2011 HAS A 3% LIGHTER BREAK

>>64916425
>only said 2011 here >64911696(You) and here >64909228(You)
Because they are the same thing, you imbecile. Another person besides me had to step in and correct your retarded ass. See >>64913677

>>64917539
walking it back as per usual
>all competition shooters use 2011s
youre now here -->
>most competition shooters lean and gravitate and inch towards using 2011s (which also means 1911s)

>>64917744
>walking it back as per usual
Hey moron, as I've already shown you, my first comments mentioned both, you disingenuous, unscrupulous, worthless simpleton. After I've already mentioned them, I shouldn't have to repeat everything I've already said in additional messages because you are too brain-dead to keep up with a conversation. I praise the lord every day that I'm not as stupid as you. Goodbye, retard. Maybe one day your "friends" and family will give you the attention you so desperately crave.
>all competition shooters use 2011s
I never said that. Not once in this entire thread.
>most competition shooters lean and gravitate and inch towards using 1911s/2011s.
This was always my point.

>>64916717
Fucking retard

>>64904917
>Even the best modern ones still choke with hollowpoints and ammo with shorter cartridge OAL
So we're just lying now? Or did you think no one in here owns a 2011?

>>64918657
this is why you are so confused; i would often be responding to someone else when you would rear your ugly bald head. Begone from the conversation you non-2011-owning fanboy.

>>64919592
>you think no one in here owns a 2011?
undoubtedly

>>64920129
>laughs in Staccato P

Biggest issue I had with Staccatos and quite a few other 2011s is the grip, it always felt like holding a beer can. Never cared for it.

With that said, my DWX compact I love. The CZ grip angle with palm swells is more my speed.

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>>64909269
The only reason I want a staccato HD is because it's the only full ambi comp gun that isn't strikerslop desu

>>64920213
>They really named a gun after 'p
Strange innit

>>64909269
standard 2011s are the same width as 1911s (with usable grips on them).

Shot my friends full size staccatto. Round 21, feedway malf, extractor lost control and left one of the fired 9mm casings in the chamber.
Exact.Same. Malf. That plagues my 450 dollar tisas DR45.
Nearly 3 grand, still cant tune an extractor.
Glock with dot, costs half as much fully kitted, ring steel rapid fire at 30yds. 400 rounds, no malfs.
Pass on the S.

>>64923725
X to doubt

the Staccato uses an external extractor, there is nothing to tune. If it's not functioning correctly then it just needs to be cleaned or the springs replaced. But since you don't
know that I seriously doubt that it happened

>>64923715
The width is only the same at the thickest point. Its a rectangle vs an oval when viewed from below. Theres a difference in feel.

>>64904917
>The feed angle is fucking stupid
just m1911 things ?

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>someone will come out with a steel single action pistol built from the ground up for 9mm

>>64931976
I have an SA-35 and like to pretend that it's Just As Good as a 2011 even though I know it isn't.

The comments in this thread have proven to me all 2011 fanbois are insufferable faggots who cant Handle any criticism.

>>64932788
Then "fanboys" had a reasonable discussion where they explained why the platform is so attractive to competition shooters and even mentioned that anyone who doesn't compete shouldn't bother with one; see: >>64911727
>If you are not competing, then you don't need one. There are many handguns out there that are reliable, durable, and accurate and will serve you excellently for self-defense
It certainly wasn't the pro-1911/2011 people acting like manchildren here. Hopefully one day you'll stop projecting and grow up though.