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Injuns used to make spiked clubs that looked like muskets for some fucking reason
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>>64905751
Probably because, at a distance, someone wouldn't be able to make out whether you had an actual musket or not.
Its like a hoodrat who carries one of those gun lighters. He can't afford a gun, but the other guy doesn't know that.
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>>64905751
They realized first hand that getting cracked upside the head with a buttstroke fucking hurts
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looks like a cargo cult
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>>64905756
>put your scalp in the bag
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>>64905756
that's the wikipedia theory that makes the most sense to me
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>>64905751
Probably because they had a lot of busted up gun furniture laying around as scrap. It wouldn't have been rare for the lockwork and barrel of gun to get recycled and reused after parts of the wood started to split or rot away. You have to remember that a native's gun is almost always in the elements and is probably getting more wear and tear on it. So Runs-with-cheeks-clenched sees a pile of these busted up pieces of wood and remembers the one time he cracked a Huron in the temple with the stock and got the gun's hammer jammed in his head, and a million-wampum idea is born.
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I'm just gonna suggest cargo culting. Because someone will eventually.
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>>64905751
>make blunt weapon
>make one end heavier than the other
really gets the noggin joggin
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>>64905751
Cargo cult?

"Ug, gun shaped thing kills good! I make gun shaped club to kill with!"
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>>64905751
>looked like
they were muskets anon.
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>>64907351
they weren't. they just looked like the stocks, they didn't have a lock or barrel
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>>64905751
>he not know the story of wise warrior copies-white-mans-clubs
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>>64906055
This.
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>>64907515
See... >>64905814.
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>>64905814
>>64907652
there are examples just made out of wood and not made out of stocks
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>>64905751
>He doesnt understand the science of finding the sweet spot of weight dispersion even when theres a fucking spike sitting exactly on it.
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>>64907767
This.

It's extra weight on the top for a more powerful swing, you morons. It's like all you forgot how a baseball bat works.
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>>64905814
>So Runs-with-cheeks-clenched sees a pile of these busted up pieces of wood and remembers the one time he cracked a Huron in the temple with the stock and got the gun's hammer jammed in his head, and a million-wampum idea is born.
You've got a way with words.
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I just read Blood Meridian and now I view Indians as dumb violent pagans and am thankful that settlers, Mexicans and disease eradicated most of them. That noble savage whispering to eagles and trees shit is whack.
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>>64909331
Read "North American Indigenous Warfare and Ritual Violence" to get an even better sense of that. My favorite tribe for the sheer WTF-factor has to be the Cree. They believed that the only truly accidental deaths were from drowning by falling from a boat. All other deaths were someone's fault and they had to be killed to restore justice.

>Kid dies of T1 diabetes due to bad genes?
>Inuit sorcery
>Old man dies of cancer in his sleep?
>Inuit sorcery
>Young woman gets bitten by a rattlesnake and dies?
>Could be a shapeshifter
>More likely it's just INUIT SORCERY.

As you can imagine, the Cree and the Inuit did not get along very well and killed each other a lot, and only rarely did so for any practical reason that would lead to actual material gain.
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>>64909388
why are they killing the beavers?
why do the beavers believe in jesus?
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>>64909388
>Read "North American Indigenous Warfare and Ritual Violence"
Nice. Thanks
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>>64909388
Mother fucking kent monkman.
Thank you for reminding me.
I'd post the one with chugs shoving a giant butt plug up Justin Trudeau's ass but you know... Blue board
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>>64909388
I wish they were published, but I've read the diaries of my ancestor and his brother who were indian agents, civil war officers, and then Texas Rangers. That radicalized me against the wagonburners.
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>>64909388
that's fucking hilarious.
I read a book about tribes in New Guinea, who lived shoulder-to-shoulder in a tiny valley, living off yams which they densely cultivated.
Every time one of them killed another, that was a blood debt. But in their system, killing to honor a blood debt generated a new blood debt. So every tribe had blood debts against all other tribes at all times. They would start battles to settle blood debts and walk away with more blood debts, perpetually, to the point where blood debt battles were basically their version of sunday night football.
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>>64905756
A reasonable explanation, perhaps with a bit of cargo cult fuckery tossed in.
>>64905814
The problem with this theory is that a rifle stock actually makes a pretty shitty club anon, at least for more than one or two swings. Wind up for a good hit and watch the fucker snap right across the cutout for the lockwork. I fully realize that a fragile club is better than no club at all, but it's not like these people didn't know how to manufacture wooden weapons. Fabricating clubs that resembled rifle stocks was a conscious design decision (at least in one region of North America) during that era, so your theory has to take that into account. >>64905756 gives a plausible reason for this.
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>>64909331
>Reads fictional novel
>"wtf i now hate these guys"

>>64909388
This guy at least I can respect.
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>>64909388
It’s horrible that the colonists brought Christianity to these people
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>>64909588
You should really scan those. Absolutely a historical document worth preserving
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>>64909388
Those inuits sound like cunts. Why are they doing all that messed up shit to the cree? No sympathy for sorcerers and those who deal with demons and djinns.
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>>64909423
The beavers are all Inuit shapeshifters.
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>>64909603
>They would start battles to settle blood debts and walk away with more blood debts, perpetually
Feuding is a typical thing among primitive societies. Usually it stays at a 'low simmer' level and there are alternative ways of resolution (weregild) ... And then there are tribes where it got completely out of hand, like the Jivaroan

> "A person is not born with an arutam soul. Such a soul must be acquired, and in certain traditional ways. The acquisition of this type of soul is considered to be so important to an adult male’s survival that a boy’s parents do not expect him to live past puberty without one. By repeatedly killing, one can continually accumulate power through the replacement of old arutam souls with new ones. This “trade-in” mechanism is an important feature because, when a person has had the same arutam soul for four or five years, it tends to leave its sleeping possessor to wander nightly through the forest. Sooner or later, while it is thus drifting through the trees, another Jivaro will “steal” it. Accordingly, it is highly desirable to obtain a new soul before the old one begins nocturnal wanderings. This felt need encourages the individual to participate in a killing expedition every few years."[8]
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>>64911809
where the fuck did they come up with this shit?
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>>64905756
It makes perfect sense just by looking at it in the catalogue. Now imagine it even further back and dozens of them.
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>>64909588
>>64911313
Seconding this, if true. Do the (White) world a favor, Anon. Scan those pages, compile as a PDF file and upload it, then share the link. Pretty please with scalp on top.
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>>64911281
I read your post and now I think you're a faggot
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>>64915014
same
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>>64905751
cargo cult
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>>64909588
checked
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>>64909603
i came from the stone age, by any chance?
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>>64918116
I want to say it was "Lost in Shangri-La". Not exactly a historical document, but allegedly a true story.
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>>64909331
>settlers, Mexicans and disease eradicated most of them.
My guy, who do you think the Mexicans are? Spain did a dogshit job of clearing out Latin America which is why the US is being flooded by brown alcoholics with gambling addictions from places with Africa-tier average IQs.
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>>64918424
>brown alcoholics with gambling addictions from places with Africa-tier average IQs.
that just describes the inhabitants of the Iberian peninsula
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>>64909331
The noble savage shit is a myth, but coming to that conclusion from a novel is silly billy behavior.
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>>64905772
Well it's retarded because we know why they made the clubs that way. Getting ammo was difficult adter Squanto wasted whatever he got in the trade blasting everything that moved 8n his vicinity. So the fancy thundersticks quickly became over engineered clubs and status symbols. From their, clubs in the shape of rifle buttstocks became a thing they made on their own.
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>>64918456
so go edit wikipedia, homo
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>>64909388
Aw poor beavers
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>>64909388
Inuits, even according to themselves, were sorcerers though. They had all kinds of fucked up rituals, such as the one performed to make a tupilaq.
The Navajo had and have a similar reputation among the Ute, Hopi, and Apache. I can't remember where I read this, but I remember hearing that Utes back in the day would ask Navajo they met whether they were a coyote or not because the assumption was that all of them were skinwalkers.
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>>64911809
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>>64918569
>Where do these people come up with these ideas?

This is a question I asked myself for a long time before coming to the inevitable conclusion that demons and devils are real, and spent a considerable amount of effort convincing humans all around the world that they could grant them power if only they would:
>worship them
>debase themselves to show their loyalty
>commit anti-human acts of violence against others.

Like, I wanted for the longest time to ascribe some sort of survival value, or underlying useful mechanism to a lot of these beliefs, but you start researching them and run into these really elaborate cosmologies and rituals being practiced by people that still hadn't figured out all the easy ways to make fire or grow beans, let alone brick making or metalwork. It's like some concerted force went to all of these peoples and inserted actively harmful practices into their culture, because they had all of their beliefs about magic, revenge, and torture very well defined, and only seemed to accelerate and intensify this behavior as they advanced. The Aztecs ran industrial level human sacrifices, and the most successful Mound Builder cities are literally built on mass graves of homicides.

>Suffer not the witch to live
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>>64918478
Don't get mad at me because you're retarded and thought "they were trying to trick people into thinking they had rifles" was the reason according to wiki-fucking-pedia
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>>64918986
then go edit wikipedia you retarded faggot with down syndrome
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>>64909388
Yooo what did those beavers ever do to them?

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