Burma, and it's not even close.

>>64908360
agreed. no one got malaria fighting through Europe

>>64908358
New Guinea if you were Japanese. On a sub if you were German. In the 8th Air Force if you were American. Burma if you were British. Everywhere if you were Soviet. In the Soviet Union for the rest of the European Axis.

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>>64908360
Miserable? There's no time for misery, old top. Chin up and pop the kettle on, there's a good lad.

>>64908413
Tea, sir? In this weather? Can't we ring up the Yanks and see if they have some ice cream to spare?

>>64908360
FPBP
Kokoda Track might've been as bad at points, but it didn't last long in comparison.

>>64908360
>>64908413
Britfags begging for their participation trophy

From everything I’ve read, the Arctic conveys were absolutely fucking awful. Probably top three along with being on a German sub and fighting against the Japanese on the ground in general.

>>64908459
Nah, just calling it how it is. The Pacific campaign had better logistics and support, so more ways to offset the misery. For the Russian winter of '40-'41 you could at least start a fire; it's a lot harder to turn the temperature and humidity down. Burma was all the shitty parts of Vietnam, but with worse support and equipment, and more mountains.

>>64908358
France.
>liberate Paris
>have to hang back and pretend like France did anything all
>muh resistance
>pretend like half the nation weren't actively supporting the axis
>de Gaulle never shutting the fuck up
>not allowed to shoot every frog and raze Paris

>>64908459
Kek. What a miserable life you must lead.

>>64908469
>>64908486
Fighting alongside smelly Indians doesn't make Burma the most horrific theater in WW2, I'm sorry to tell you.

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Depends on what your metrics are. Pure human savagery, Pacific campaign no doubt. I think the experiences Eugene Sledge describes in combat on Pelilu or Okinawa in The Old Breed are probably as visceral as the common man will be able to understand.

>"The fierce struggle for survival in the abyss of Peleliu had eroded the veneer of civilization and made savages of us all."

>"Time had no meaning, life had no meaning. The war was a netherworld of horror from which escape seemed less and less likely as casualties mounted and the fighting dragged on and on."

>>64908459
The KMT did most of the fighting in Burma

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>>64908469
The Japanese themselves said Burma was like hell and New Guinea was even worse.


Japanese post war movies like Fires on the Plain show Japanese soldiers suffering subhuman conditions and even killing and eating other Japanese to survive.


Japanese soldiers killed and ate each other in Papua according to Taiwan Aboriginal soldiers sent there.

A Taiwan Aboriginal named Buyan Nawi saw Japanese kill each other and eat each other's flesh.

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>>64908358
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>>64908461
>>64908508
>>64909177
Moro Muslims used bladed weapons (keris, bolo) to slaughter Japanese and hack them to death.

https://www.positivelyfilipino.com/magazine/the-battle-of-tamparan-and-the-forgotten-moro-heroes-of-world-war-ii

>The Battle Of Tamparan
>In September 1942, the Maranaos dealt the Japanese a stunning loss when, in a spontaneous attack, a collection of villagers armed primarily with blades nearly annihilated an entire company of Japanese infantry. The Battle of Tamparan was the gravest defeat inflicted on the Imperial Japanese Army by irregular forces in the Philippines and quite likely their greatest loss at the hands of civilians in the entire course of the Pacific War. For the Japanese infantry, it was a defeat as improbable, shameful, and symbolically charged as that suffered by the U.S. cavalry at the Battle of the Little Bighorn but, unlike that iconic defeat, it has been mostly lost from history.

>Some soldiers attempted unsuccessfully to surrender. One of the company’s officers, First Lt. Atsuo Takeuchi, made it back to the pier with a few of his men, but the boat crews, who were forced laborers, had dived overboard when they saw how the battle was going. With no way to escape, he dropped his sword and raised his hands in submission. Takeuchi had been very active in propaganda efforts among the Maranaos and had often bragged that the Japanese, unlike the Americans and Filipinos, never surrendered. According to Edward Kuder, an American colonial official hiding with the Maranaos, and the only contemporary chronicler of the battle, one young Maranao remembered those boasts and yelled, “No surrender, Takeuchi!,” before cutting him down with his sword.

>Of the 90 Japanese infantrymen who marched down the Tamparan pier that morning, 85 now lay dead on the muddy lakeshore; their lacerated bodies, sprawled individually or tangled together in clumps of blood-soaked khaki, dotted the trampled grey marshland.

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>>64909303
pp. 66-68.

藤岡, 明義『敗残の記』中公文庫、1991年。 NCID BN07275250。


That's Japanese text from the diary of Japanese soldier Fujioka Akiyoshi who admits Moros slaughtered the Japanese on Jolo.

He said Japanese morale totally broke down, Japanese soldiers fought each other for supplies and he and other soldiers desperately tried to find the Americans to surrender as Moros massacred them.

Totally different from weeb and nip incel fantasy of Japanese warriors fighting to the end.

Fujioka says he and the other Japanese survivors desperately tried to surrender to the Americans since the Moro Tausug were slaughtering them.

97-99% of the 6,000 Japanese soldiers died in Jolo.

Moro Muslim fighters with keris (daggers) and bolo (machetes) annihilated the Japanese army at the battles of Tamparan in 1942 and Jolo in 1944-1945.

Japanese soldiers like Fujioka Akiyoshi admitted to being slaughtered like animals by the Moros and their morale completely broke down and Japanese soldiers fought each other.

Taiwan Aboriginal soldier Buyan Nawi said he saw Japanese Yamato soldiers kill each other and eat each other.

Not eating dead corpses, but killing fellow Japanese for food.

The Yamato Japanese starved to death and dehydrated and begged the Taiwan Aboriginals to use their skills to find food and water for them.

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>>64909303
>>64909305
The chain mail and segmented plate armour Stannis Baratheon wore in Game of Thrones is from Moro Muslim armor in Sulu archipelago and Mindanao. The Bangsamoro Tausug-Suluk, Maranao, Maguindanaon, Bajau-Sama Muslims.

Moros used carabao horn for the plates.

>>64909177
>>64909300
>>64909303
>>64909305
Yes,yes. Very nice. HOWEVER,
it cold.

>>64909330
So is the eastern front

Russia.

Prolly ukraine
T.it was miserable in 2022

>>64909177
>>64909300
>>64909305
Japs are drama queens

probably being a plant manager in chicago. imagine being stuck in a floor full of muscular women who built millions of engines. air must be a psychotic drug that makes your dick pre cum just by the proximity.

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>>64910247
Imagine the smell.

>>64908358
Winter War had over -40 C temperatures it was probably the most hellish condition you can imagine.

>>64908459
>t. Joe Stillwell

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>>64909300
>Moro Muslims used bladed weapons (keris, bolo) to slaughter Japanese
AFAIK the typical and preferred weapon of the Moros was kris and barong, not the bolo

>>64908360
This. Chindits were madmen.

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>>64909177
>>64909180
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fires_on_the_Plain_(1959_film)

>He comes across Nagamatsu and Yasuda again. They claim to have survived on monkey meat and are living in the forest. Later, Nagamatsu goes out saying he will hunt more monkeys. When Tamura mentions he has a grenade, Yasuda steals it. Tamura leaves to find Nagamatsu and witnesses him attempting to shoot another man, realizing with a shock what the "monkey meat" really is. Nagamatsu turns the gun toward Tamura, who saves himself by pretending he still has the grenade. Nagamatsu tells Tamura they would be dead if they did not resort to cannibalism.

>They head back to camp, but when Tamura mentions that Yasuda has his grenade, Nagamatsu says they will have to kill him or be killed. After tricking Yasuda into spending the grenade, Nagamatsu runs off and stakes out the only source of water in the area. After several days, Yasuda tries to bargain for water, to no avail. When he makes his way to the water anyway, Nagamatsu shoots him and begins butchering his body for meat. Tamura becomes disgusted and shoots Nagamatsu.

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>>64909300
>>64909303
>>64909305

Manipur, Burma.
Spent a lot of time there in the jungle, it's impenetrable even in comparison to other jungles. Amazon impenetrable.

The war was characterised by infantry with no ass and no air spending months trying to hackers through what was left of the 1500s Burma road, nobody getting anywhere, everyone getting may malaria.

I ran the golden triangle three times, thought that was bad. East Burma is seriously fucked up but not even that prepared me for himalchal Burma.

There are very few people alive who can say they ran the golden triangle, Burmese jungle and Tibet, and we're all on a first name basis. Captain KMT, the triad, Chinese foreign intelligence (field), the tamadaw, shan warlords, none of us are necessarily enemies, just errand boys running in opposite directions.

The manipur campaign, or the Burma campaign from the Japanese point of view, the longest theatre of ww2, Bar none. Years of godless jungle warfare. And then after Japan surrendered, their Burmese forces basically went rogue, and the whole region devolved into perpetual civil war which lasts until this day. Didn't check who holds the five hill river fort this week. Mandalay bridge probably still impassable for armour.

>>64910420
>do anything other than sit next to a fire
>freeze

>>64908360
Agreed.
The Pacific Islands were shit but each campaign was short with months of reset between each one.
Burma was a continuous slog.
PNG was long but once they closed the track the esst was slow mopping up.

>>64910420
I've heard that extremely low temperatures don't feel like cold instead they feel like physical pain. Someone described it as having burning shards of glass sewn under your skin.

>>64908358
ehhhhhhhh probably SE Asia

>>64912222
More like extremely bad pins and needles
But if you're already that exposed you will quickly develop frostbite and lose feeling anyways.

>>64908360
I am very much inclined to agree, but I also think back to the anecdotes from the siege of Leningrad and would like your thoughts on what tips Burma over the scale when comparing the two?

>>64908358
In terms of pure environment is definitely Burma or maybe Okinawa during the rainy season. But if you include the actual conditions of combat, its Russia.

Imagine going to war lmao couldn't be me

>>64909300
>The Japanese responded to the battle by bombarding Maranao villages including Tamparan from air and artillery for 25 days, massacring civilian children and women Maranaos. 80 Maranao civilian children, women and men were killed in a mosque by a Japanese bomb.

How did America react yo Little BigHorn

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>none of these niggas even mention the arctic campaigns
Yeah, fighting on volcanic islands sucks.
Yeah, fighting in tropical jungles sucks.

Just surviving in barren desert with temperatures regularly dropping to around -50, so cold that gasoline freezes solid.
A giant ice field suffering constant hurricane force winds during the coldest years of the 20th century, where you can't take a shit without literally freezing your nuts off, or getting eaten by a half-ton polar bear, sucks far worse.

>>64912531
Please cool it with the antisemitism.

>>64909305
Oh, someone summoned Spammy again.

>>64912222
>>64912349
It doesn't really feel like either, kinda hard to describe
Just this dull ache and then your extremities go numb

>>64908413
I mean, better a bong commander than motherfucking Stilwell.

>By the time the town of Myitkyina was taken, only about 200 surviving members of the original Marauders were present. A week after Myitkyina fell, on 10 August 1944, the 5307th was disbanded with a final total of 130 combat-effective officers and men (out of the original 2,997). Of the 2,750 to enter Burma, only two were left alive who had never been hospitalized with wounds or major illness.

>>64908360

100% this. and still would be today.

>>64912923
In one book I read about Burma there was a story where and American, I think a Marauder, tried to shoot Stillwell lol

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>>64908404
>New Guinea if you were Japanese
the Japanese invasion of New Guinea is criminally slept on as the most disastrous strategic operation of WWII
>don't undertake any recon or intelligence prep, base your invasion plan on a travel novel that claimed the kokoda track was an open valley cutting north-south
>it actually crosses jungle, swamp, snowcapped mountains, and highlands
>invade with a larger force than the combined Allied invasion of Sicily
>get held off by a handful of Aussies and their conscripted cannibal headhunters
>invasion force is immediately cut off from resupply
>everyone is dropping dead from malaria, starvation or dysentery and resort to cannibalism just to not starve to death
>you're either freezing to death fighting over some mountain pass above cloud level or sweating your balls off in a fetid swamp filled with crocodiles with no inbetween
>end up losing your entire invasion force, with like 90% of the casualties due to starvation or preventable disease

>>64909300
it's very funny how to nation of 'very honorabu 100000x folded nippon steel samurai ancestors' have some of the most genuinely embarrassing losses when it comes to bladed melee combat when they actually come up against anyone that isn't Japanese lol

>>64908360
Yes. If even half the story of Ramree Island is true, that place and others like it were like a science fiction hellscape actively trying to kill everyone who went in there.

>>64908358
pearl harbor. my great grandfather served there the entire war, and had a real had time keeping it up for all the wives left at home.

a true american hero

>>64911296
Yeah maybe if you're retarded (communist)
If you are in a covered snow cave (literally just a slit trench in the snow, some boughs dragged over it, and some more snow piled on top) the temperature stays just under 0° C regardless of how cold it is on the outside. One of the reasons the soviets had such high casualties is because they were too stupid and ignorant to do this. Finns, meanwhile, kept their soldiers in these incredibly simple and easy to camouflage observation posts and didn't have any problems with the cold.
Is this an oversimplification? Yes. But not by much.

>>64912923
Shut the fuck up you absolute buffoon. You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Stilwell was only unpopular because he actually gave Chiang shit for wasting the precious supplies that the Brits and Americans sacrificed so much for to give to him, just for him to waste it in piecemeal attacks.

Slim and stilwell saved the Burma campaign from retard faggot mountabatten and orde winggate a literal narcissistic faggot jew ass licker who was probably assassinated by his own men for his literal mal treatment of his own men, going out of the way to not rest them, not feed them and make them walk around naked for his own inspections.

I hate fucking pop historian faggots like you who watched one youtube video probably titled something like "the forgotten campaign of ww2" and now you think you're expert.

>>64908358
Pretty much everywhere the US was in the pacific. Imagine carrying all that gear in tropical conditions. In Europe? Everything east of Prague. Just vast forests and swamps. Finland was probably a nightmare for the Soviets. Good thing they invaded during winter, because most of that damn country is lakes and dense forests

>>64916462
Dunno about "probably assassinated by his own men" but he was a dick,. His crazy ideas, when taken and handled/executed by more sensible and talented men (like Calvert), did produce spectacular results; though it is debatable how much they contributed.

Stillwell was harsh but competent and hard enough to do a difficult job without shying away. Slim seemed like a good counterpart to him because he was militarily competent, enough to earn even some respect from Stillwell, but was far and away better equipped with the kinds of management and social skills to tard-wrangle and do the things Stillwell couldn't do well.

>>64916462
>unironically defending Stilwell
LMAO.

>Stilwell was only unpopular because he actually gave Chiang shit
Stilwell was DESPISED by literally everybody he ever worked with, wether as an equal or as a superior. Chiang just happened to be the one who could push back harder than anybody else, and had more reason to do so especially after Stilwell literally tried to outright coup control of the NRA from him. And even then Chiang was if at all exceedingly retrained and merciful with the tard. Remind me, what's the punishment for mutiny against a superior officer under the UCMJ? Because Stilwell effectively tried to do exactly that while seconded to the NRA as a liaison.

And if we're talking about wasting resources? You mean like Stilwell did with every fucking unit he was given direct command of, be it chinese, british or american? Slim saved the Burma campaign no thanks to Stilwell's incompetence and insistence on getting the men udner hsi direct command mangled over and over.

>mal treatment of his own men, going out of the way to not rest them, not feed them and make them walk around naked for his own inspections
Real fucking funny take from someone trying to crawl up the ass of Joseph motherfuckign Stilwell, a commander who decided to flatly ignore severe malaria and typhus epidemics among the troops under his command, because he decided they were just simulating because they were lazy.

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>>64916693

>Of the Chindit casualties, 90% were incurred in the last phase of the campaign from 17 May, while they were under Stilwell's direct command.

>Stilwell's diary supported Chennault's claim, as Stilwell wrote that if a crisis emerged that was "just sufficient to get rid of the Peanut without entirely wrecking the ship, it would be worth it." Stilwell went on to write that the entire Nationalist system had to be "torn to bits" and that Chiang would have to go.

>I have waited long for vengeance,
>At last I've had my chance.
>I've looked the Peanut in the eye
>And kicked him in the pants.

>The old harpoon was ready
>With aim and timing true,
>I sank it to the handle,
>And stung him through and through.

>The little bastard shivered,
>And lost the power of speech.
>His face turned green and quivered
>As he struggled not to screech.

>For all my weary battles,
>For all my hours of woe,
>At last I've had my innings
>And laid the Peanut low.

>I know I've still to suffer,
>And run a weary race,
>But oh! the blessed pleasure!
>I've wrecked the Peanut's face.

— Poem written by Joseph Stilwell in 1944


Poor bongs wasted by this schoolboy-ass clown Stilwell.

>>64917459
also
>Disregards the notion his troops might actually have malaria.
>Stilwell
who writes this shit

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The Pacific front was hell on earth, for Americans as well but especially for the Japs. About 60% of Jap military fatalities in ww2, 1-1.4 million people, were from starvation, which was of course accompanied by brutal cannibalism. Though I will say the Japs were able to just surrender and get good treatment when that wasn't an option on the Eastern front, they just didn't know because they were fed lies about American treatment of POWs.
People just don't know this because the Japs aren't pussies who whine about it every 5 seconds like the Russians do, and the American film industry didn't memorialize the Pacific as much as Western Europe because the (((producers))) and (((directors))) only gave a shit about Nazis. You'll notice there's fuckall films about Italy or North Africa as well.

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>>64917536
>there's fuckall films about Italy or North Africa as well
There are, but a lot of them are British. The Americans had some fairly serious embarrassments in the Mediterranean. Fuck Mark Clark. On the other hand, the Pacific was very ugly and "ungentlemanly" compared to France in 1944. Not all Americans want to think about GIs prying out gold fillings from Japanese wounded and taking body parts as trophies like a fucking Comanche or captured Americans being used as bayonet practice or even having their livers eaten.

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>>64917459
Common wealth niggers to the rescue. Crying about poor little Chiang getting disrespected because he did fuck all with tons and tons of equipment that he did nothing with because he was paranoid about using it against the japs knowing the communists were around the corner.

Stillwell was loved by his men. One of the few generals to actually march out jn a retreat with his army then take a plane or submarine.

Same common wealth bong groids have absolutely nothing to say about Mountbattens horrendous treatment of Canadians and Orde being a literal Israel first ass licker to the nothing degree. At least you guys had Slim, perhaps the best British leader of the war. Tragic, tragic.

For anyone reading this with brain activity and interest in the campaign read The Burma Campaign. The Oxford educated bong lays it all out.

>>64917727
>Crying about poor little Chiang getting disrespected
Pretty rich coming from the guy who's crying about poor little Stilwell getting disrespected.

>because he did fuck all
Retard take. Even more retarded in light of Stilwell getting command of some of the best units of the NRA, only to immediately run them into the fucking ground. Simple fact is that Stilwell had no fucking clue how NRA troops worked, what their capabilities and limiktations were or how to use them in general, and this failure was key part all of his further analysis and decisions being equally retarded.

Mind you, he equally failed to grasp the limitations of the Chindits, and the limitations of Merrill's Marauders, and hence likewise ran them to destruction.

>Stillwell was loved by his men.
Riiiiiiiiight. He was so loved by his men, most of them wanted to frag his ass by the end of the war. Well, the small minority that didn't end up dead or wounded after coming under his direct command, anyway. The man lost his troops at rates most SOVIET generals would've found concerning if it was them. Which of course wasn't a problem with Washington as long as he did it to the Chinese or the Chindits. Pretty telling that he was never given direct command again after he also did it to Merrill's Marauders.

>One of the few generals to actually march out jn a retreat with his army
Anon. A general going out to the frontline during a retreat to play company commander for the media instead of actually doing his job of coordinating the larger picture is not something to be lauded, nor something the troops in question will be thankful for when they'll have to compensate for that failure of command and pay for it in extra casualties.

>>64917727
>For anyone reading this with brain activity and interest in the campaign read The Burma Campaign.
I did. It's nice bedtime reading. Shame about it repeatedly bending historical fact into a pretzel to create a more exciting story, and "only" highlighting Stilwell being an anglophobic ass instead of portraying all his other failures. Perfect for the pop-history brainlet who wants his prejudices confirmed, though.

>>64917727
Pretty sure this is a butthurt chink.

eastern front. no contest. both sides. losing side? japan against the soviets prob. doesn't really matter you ended up in a work camp left to die after anyways.

Burma. Most of the Chindits who survived had their health ruined for life from disease. The Japs who attacked in Operations Ha-Go and U-Go mostly died of disease and hunger. Some resorted to cannibalism.

>>64908508
Based Sledge reader Peleliu was exactly what I was going to say. Fighting an extermination campaign with little to no modern overwatch on a coral atoll. You get dust, heat and absolute animal savagery. They had to clear cave by cave and the taking of prisoners was unheard of, which basically means every corner is a last stand against someone willing to made charge you. Then you're stuck in the ass end of the Pacific on hard and brittle dust. Makes a man wanna scream

>>64918305
>soviet level casualties

Really anon from combat or malaria because they were in a jungle?

>A general going out to the frontline during a retreat

I can tell you've never spent a night outside in your entire life. Marching 150 miles in the fucking jungle with hostile nearby is not a media event. You literally just die if something goes wrong.


>>64918328
Again, youre mad that he shit on retard bong generals mountbatten and orde because they had no fucking idea what they were doing while their equipment in the theater was being completely bankrolled and moved by the US. Wasting time, troops and equipment etc.

Same exact thing with the Chinese. Made hardly any progress building a supply road for years. Wasted equipment on piecemeal attacks, Stilwell had every right to kick them in the ass to do something to affect change in the theater.

>>64908360
Yeah, it was either going to be Burma or Stalingrad, and it probably wasn't going to be Stalingrad.

Lol moros and marranos, the Spanish didn't innovate any new names when they got to the Phillipines, just reused some old ones they had for north africans

>>64921500
>>64917727
Chiang ≠ Chinese

Chiang Kai-shek was hoarding equipment because he was forcing warlord armies to do most of the fighting against Japan.

The Sichuan warlords contributed the most soldiers against Japan, they sent 2 million troops.

They only had straw hats and straw sandals, rifles, swords and hand made grenades.

The Yunnan warlord army, Guizhou warlord army, Qinghai warlord army and Gansu warlord army all fought against Japan as well.

None of these warlord armies had their own air force, tankettes, armoured cars or modern heavy artillery.

Chiang hoarded weapons, ammunition, fighter planes and aviation fuel for his own central government NRA soldiers.

Chiang then ordered warlords to fight against communists and then against Japan, so he could take over their provinces later.

He hoped warlord armies would suffer most casualties in the war.

Chiang even moved over 120,000 soldiers to Xinjiang in 1942 to fight the Soviet backed Ili rebellion from 1944-1946.

Chiang sent fighter planes and aviation fuel to Xinjiang and refused to use them to help the underequipped warlord armies fighting Japan.

Chiang's people at ammunition warehouses would refuse to distribute ammo to warlord armies right on the front lines.

Some warlord soldiers had smoothbore muzzle loading muskets, smooth bore muzzle loading cannons, swords and spears. They had no gas masks

Chiang hoarded gas masks, machine guns, aviation fuel and told warlord troops to fight to the death against Japan.

These warlord troops fought hard and defeated Japanese at battles like Wuyuan despite Chiang cutting off supplies and withholding his own troops from action.

>>64921860
Sichuan warlord soldiers at Hankou in Wuhan interviewed by Freda Utley even said they knew what Chiang was doing and withholding his own armies, but they were going to fight and stop Japan from reaching Sichuan.

The Qinghai and Sichuan warlords issued orders for no retreat, they would fight to the death even though Chiang was holding his own armies back.

Sichuan warlords troops in straw sandals, rifles and swords plunged into Japanese positions in Yichang and massacred them before Japan started bombarding the entire city with mustard gas.

Japan never managed to occupy a single inch of Sichuan, Qinghai, Shaanxi, Gansu, Ningxia provinces.

>>64909300
The Moro are fucking insane. Them getting drugged up right before fighting Americans was a direct cause of the army adopting .45 ACP (and thus, the 1911), because .38 LC wasn't dropping them reliably enough.