>>64913850
it's extremely unlikely an a300 would actually make enough difference over a mav 88 to matter. imo a light an a red dot or other night sight would be a bigger upgrade than the fact the a300 is semi auto considering you aren't very likely to need more than 2 shotgun rounds

>>64913850
in the category of semi auto shotgun its a soild choice.
in the context of home defense gun thats under 800 an assload of ar15 just shit all over it

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>>64913850
>For home defense
Mossberg 590/590A1 Retrograde, wooden furniture, looks like something you're grandpa will hang on the wall, looks better in court
>$800-900 on a decent semi auto 12ga
It is at the price range alongside Mossberg 940/990
And if you're fucking lying and just want a new semi 12ga, just save up for a M4 or a 1301 mod2, beware that the 1301 has shitty factory cerakote so just get a M4 if you care about that

>>64913979
>looks like something you're grandpa will hang on the wall
a 590 doesn't look like something you're granpa would have on the wall. he would have the 6 shot model with a long barrel or an 870 with a long barrel
> looks better in court
no one has ever provided an example of this
>>64913954
this

>>64913850
Pump is the better choice for home def, regarding shit tons of lawsuit precedent. That weapon is a combat shotgun. Your lawyer can claim your plain-jane 870 or Mossberg whatever is a skeet/bird gun. You roll out with a combat skin and you've got problems on your hands. There will be a load of dolts on here arguing otherwise "because muh rats". If you don't live in an extremely kill-friendly judicial district, you're gonna have a bad time after the fact blasting an intruder with a dressed-out combat shotgun like that Beretta. Particularly if the family of dead guy has money and wants to burn you down. That's my two cents on it. Take it or leave it.

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>>64914030
>doesn't look like something you're granpa would have on the wall
Point being something with wood furniture and "inoffensive", this looks old enough for me
>no one has ever provided an example of this
If you trust the average IQ of your local jury then by all means use whatever the fuck you want
>ar15
Shotguns provide 8x the projectile and less worry for over penetration, also OP is asking for shotgun so I assumed he already owns an AR

>>64914059
>Point being something with wood furniture and "inoffensive", this looks old enough for me
heatshield, short barrel and stendo mag don't look like a hunting gun
>Shotguns provide 8x the projectile and less worry for over penetration,
the penetration concern is about the same. paul did a vid, even #4 buck will go through drywall. anything that meets the FBI penetration standards will go through walls. 00 buck has about the same mass as some of the lighter 5.56 like M193. both are going to lose energy due to low mass pretty quickly

>>64913954
This

But my HD gun is a semi auto shotgun because I like it

>>64913850
It's a great semi-auto shotgun; the question is whether you feel you need one.

>Another shotgun thread
>More ARfags derailing it talking about ARs
They really can’t help themselves. It’s a good gun OP. Better than the Maverick. If you’re looking for something to blow your tax return on it’s not a bad choice.

>>64913850
It's an excellent shotgun.

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>>64914059
If I have a pony sticker on my pump shotgun can it be held against me?

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>>64914403
Honestly that might give your lawyer ground to claim your shotgun is purely for "leisure" and "recreational fun", as long as there aren't any sexual implication on those stickers that would make the jury think you're a freak that should be locked up

>>64914403
Why use her image in a Texas state drawing when she speaks in the Ozarks region accent (Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas)?

>>64914371
cause tacticool mall ninja shotguns are retarded. shotguns are for hunting and clays and the whole home defense shotgun thing comes from a time when a lot of people hunted, and therefore owned shotguns and not that many people owned handguns and semi auto centerfire rifles

>>64914427
I liked the image of her saluting so I wanted to save it

>>64914422
>ground to claim your shotgun is purely for "leisure" and "recreational fun"
>recreational fun
So I could fuck the shotgun and be fine? I once molested my 1911

>shotgun thread
>le tacticool mall ninja shotgun schizo
like clockwork

>>64914430
>cause tacticool mall ninja shotguns are retarded. shotguns are for hunting and clays
I know you actually believe this retarded claim, but even back then in the 20th century people were buying shotguns for defense, and cops were shooting criminals with them; it wasn't all 26"+ barrel shotguns reluctantly used for home defense.

>>64914466
cause they didn't have access to semi auto rifles and handguns and shotgun sales were way higher. AR sales didn't take off until 2004 and there were repeated attempted handgun bans before 2008. if you ever read stone fox, which came out in the 1980s, there's a whole section where the author says it's based the injun has a rifle before going into a paragraph long seethe about handguns
>>64914439
mall ninja

>>64914430
can you explain how a Beretta 1301/A300 is worse than an AR-15 as a jury pleaser?

>>64914430
>tacticool mall ninja shotguns are retarded. shotguns are for hunting and clays
by that logic lever guns and revolvers also serves no purpose in the age of ar15s and glocks, other than being a relic of the wild west romanticism, but people are still buying those because guess what? they're fucking cool
>b-but they're just impractical!
fag

>>64913979
with the 1301 existing there's really no reason to get the M4 anymore other than simply because you like it

>>64914490
can you show me a single time where the type of gun used in a legal self defense shooting mattered?
>>64914491
>by that logic lever guns and revolvers also serves no purpose in the age of ar15s and glocks,
revolvers could be for burr defense and leverguns are usually used for hunting, not personal defense. the tacticool lever guns are cringe too, homo

>>64914506
>can you show me a single time where the type of gun used in a legal self defense shooting mattered?
that's literally my point faggot
a shotgun creates bigger wounds than an AR within home defense distances, therefore if you have a reliable semi auto shotgun it's superior to the AR for the purpose of home defense
if the type of gun doesn't matter in a trial then that's doubly true

>>64914506
You HAVE to be retarded to not see the irony in the contradiction of both your replies

>>64914506
>where the type of gun used in a legal self defense shooting mattered?
the use of an ar-15 being brought up during the congressional hearing for the AWB did nothing to stop it from happening

>>64914505
The 1301 has shittier finishing and poor qc isn't uncommon, it would've been justifiable but nowadays their street price is not that far off a M4
Also the M4 has just been around for so long that it's tried and true, can't exactly say the same for the 1301

>>64914547
i don't know anything about their QC but the only issues i've heard regarding finishing was with their a300
>can't exactly say the same for the 1301
there doesn't seem to be any glaring issues being brought forth by people who use them and have torn them down, which we've only seen with turkroach cope M4s

>>64914547
Benelli is owned by Beretta, I'm not sure if their QC is superior

>>64914557
So far I've seen 3 eroded chrome plating, one of which I checked out in person, there's also complains about rear sight and picrail loosening probably due to little to no loctite from the factory
Also on my 1301, the cerakote around the loading port and the back of receiver on the charging handle side started to chip after 2 range days, after looking around online apparently it's a incredibly common issue
I personally don't really care about cerakoting but it's definitely something people should know before they drop 1.8k on a shotgun
>>64914562
The supply for M4 is pretty steady and I think the QC for 1301 is rough because they're pumping them out as fast as they could given it's rise in popularity thanks guntubers

>>64913850
Go full meme for your home defense and just get an aftershock, then spray the whole place down. How can they rob or assault you in your home if you erase the home? Be 2 steps ahead anon.

>>64914491
What exactly is your point? Yea, they're cool and people should buy things they think are cool if they're affordable, but you wouldn't recommend a lever or bolt action for home defense, nor would you suggest a cavalry revolver for daily carry.

>>64913850

>small capacity ammo tube
>huge drop off after 20 yards

Only a retard uses a shotgun for home defense over an AR-15.

>>64914623
where are you expecting to shoot beyond 20 yards in a home defense scenario?

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>>64914623
>>huge drop off after 20 yards
Oh I'm sorry, would you rather be shot in the gut by a 556 at 20 yards, or a 00 buck shell?
>>small capacity ammo tube
If you can't take care of the subhuman(s) with 5-7 shotgun shells, you need to either move out of whatever shithole you're living in; or you just sucks so bad and deserves the consequences

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>>64914610
are you implying semi auto shotguns are as effective as lever or bolt action for home defense? because that retard's whole argument was semi auto shotguns being the inferior option for home defense when ar15 is available, despite 12ga having the same if not higher stopping power at close range, and objectively higher hit probability given the higher number of projectiles and thus bigger spread with 1 trigger pull, all the while being semi automatic

>>64914521
ARs are more effective than shotguns, retardo. that's why cops and the army use rifles instead of shotguns, retardo
>>64914527
you shootin' burrs with your mall ninja shotgun?
>>64914546
what are you talking about? ARs are also explicitly constitutionally protected. Keagan, Basedtamayor and one NJ judge have all said AR-15s are explicitly in common use

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>>64914104

Based. I have multiple ARs but my 1301 is my favorite long gun to shoot and thusbin my HD weapon

>>64914759
oh okay you're just baiting lol you had me for a minute

>>64913954
>in the context of home defense gun thats under 800 an assload of ar15 just shit all over it
Why?

>>64913979
>looks better in court
Stop reading Ayoob, get your head out of the 1980s.

>>64914403
It should.

>>64916136
AR is less expensive, more controllable, higher capacity, and just as effective per shot.

The reason why shotguns are recommended for home defense tool is literally because of decades-old boomer memes. In the 1990's and earlier semiauto rifles like ARs were rare and expensive. Shotguns were widely available and inexpensive by comparison so that's why they got recommended. They were accessible. Today things have changed, ARs and the like are popular and cheap.

>>64916234
>AR is less expensive
No. A shit tier AR is like $400, a shit tier shotgun is $200. $1.5k will get you a nice AR and/or a nice shotgun, it's somewhat of a wash.

>more controllable
>higher capacity
This is HD, not a USPSA stage.

>BUT WHAT IF MULTIPLE ASSAILANTS, I NEED 30 ROUNDS
Meh..implausible.

>and just as effective per shot.
No.
A .22cal bullet just isn't as good as 9x buckshot hitting you.

All I'm seeing is platitudes that don't hold up to the actual needs of home defense. Inversely, a .223 bullet will overpen, won't have lethality because everyone uses fucking ball and not 77grOTM, ain't gonna stop shit. Sure, if you're an assaulter who needs to clear entire buildings full of people, a ton of 77gr at your disposal is nice, but that's not what HD is.

>>64913850
Pumps are for fudds, semi-autos are the way to go.
No one uses a pump action rifle either for a reason.

>>64914562
>>64914557
>>64914547
the benelli beretta company owns stoger and a bunch of the other turkshit factories

>>64914628
my driveway is 500 yards
>>64914635
>>64914521
the benefit of using a shotgun is that since its like 8 to 27 projectiles you aren't more likely to hit the target, since the spread won't be that great from that range, but you are more likely to hit the CNS or cardiovascular/respiratory system either due to the small spread and fact you have multiple projectiles or because you can get "tunneling" where one projectile drafts behind another like in nascar which means the second projectile will maintain it's energy and penetrate deeper
a 5.56 round with modern duty ammo will deliver a more effective wound than a shotgun

>>64914666
see>>64916953, retardo
>>64916129
I ain't baitin, faggot

>>64916136
nta
ARs allow quicker follow up shots, less muzzle blast and concussion, more ergonomic, bigger mag, 5.56 is more effective than individual 00 bbs

>>64916467
see>>64916953
buckshot is like pistol rounds. rifle rounds have a better terminal effect. see the miamie dade shooting

>>64916467
>Inversely, a .223 bullet will overpen
anything that meets the fbi's min penetration requirements will over penetrate. 00 #1 #3 and #4 buck all over penetrate
>on't have lethality because everyone uses fucking ball
kyle clapped that grandma beater with one round of 55gr
>>64916482
pump action rifles were never popular outside of like PA when people had 760s because hunting in the US generally doesn't require fast follow up shots

>>64916953
>you aren't more likely to hit the target, since the spread won't be that great from that range, but you are more likely to hit the CNS or cardiovascular/respiratory system either due to the small spread
You're assuming the equivalent rifle round would be perfectly aimed. A single .22 shot has more chances of missing vitals than a volley of buck.

Which brings me to this:

>>64916963
>ARs allow quicker follow up shots
Counter argument, the overwhelming majority of people never practice shooting their ARs at moving targets. Myself included. I don't know how well I'd do tracking moving targets with a carbine.
However, shooting clays is widely accessible and gives me a good idea of how I'd do against fast moving targets presenting themselves from a variety of angles at various speeds.

>>64916980
>anything that meets the fbi's min penetration requirements will over penetrate. 00 #1 #3 and #4 buck all over penetrate
yes but you can overpenetrate MORE. That's how thresholds work.

>>64917024
00 buck bbs are about the same mass as 55 grain 5.56. they are both going to bleed energy when they hit something due to low masses.
>>64917020
>You're assuming the equivalent rifle round would be perfectly aimed. A single .22 shot has more chances of missing vitals than a volley of buck.
a rifle round has more energy and creates a larger wound channel as a result
>Counter argument, the overwhelming majority of people never practice shooting their ARs at moving targets. Myself included. I don't know how well I'd do tracking moving targets with a carbine.
>However, shooting clays is widely accessible and gives me a good idea of how I'd do against fast moving targets presenting themselves from a variety of angles at various speeds.
there's no fucking spread. buckshot isn't going to spread at HD ranges and if it does that's a bad thing because it's going to go through the wall

Good, but 1301 is better. Also don't listen to retards who talk about muh law, if you live in a state that any whining about "combat shotgun" actually works then you shouldn't own a gun anyway or move states

>>64916963
556 won't put a dude down without multiple hits if he's methed up
00 will

>>64917117
a. kyle put down a methhead with 1 5.56 hit
b. to stop a methhead you need to either sever the CNS or you need to stop his body from being able to deliver oxygen via the circulatory system which means you need the shotgun bbs to hit specific parts of the guy's body to stop him

>>64917148
he didn't put him down at all did he?
the guy was still up and if he wasn't a whiny faggot could have unloaded with his other hand

if you shoot a dude in HD with 00 nr. 9 he's going to have a lot of shit in his body, you have no clue how hard 9 beefy boys hitting you is going to fuck your shit up

>>64917158
>he didn't put him down at all did he?
>the guy was still up and if he wasn't a whiny faggot could have unloaded with his other hand
Kyle shot 3 jews. he put like 5 or 6 rounds into the manlet gay pedo but they were both running
Kyle then put 1 round into the grandma beater killing him
he only winged the third jew, but the 2nd jew died from a single center mass shot
>if you shoot a dude in HD with 00 nr. 9 he's going to have a lot of shit in his body, you have no clue how hard 9 beefy boys hitting you is going to fuck your shit up
it's like shooting someone with 9 rounds of .32 acp. shotguns kill by hitting the CNS or cardiovascular-respiratory system like handgun rounds. they are just more effective than handgun rounds due to more projectiles meaning higher hit probability on the important organs and because they will penetrate deeper due to that nascar drafting effect, especially for something with more projectiles than 00

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>Shotgun thread
>Muh AR15 is superior cus more bullets and more bettah stopping power at even up close
What is it with ARfags and fantasizing about having to used more than 10 rifle rounds in a HD scenario? Stop watching hollywood slops, you're simply not that guy
>>64916953
>my driveway is 500 yards
When people say home defense most of them are talking about subhumans entering their house and not lands, you know this too so don't try to move the goalposts
If you just want to argue semantics then what you're describing is more pest control than home defense

>>64917304
>doesn't know the driveway meme
newfag

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>>64917380
>newfag
Slow week over at /o/, do tell

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>>64917396
the driveway meme is a /k/ meme. the whole shitpost is that some guy wants a home defense gun but needs to be able to shoot out like a quarter mile because that's how long his driveway is. it's up there with the AK shotgun meme where you ask which brand is better out of the box because at the time one of the brands was way better but you needed to do some super easy modification to it

>>64917204
I always assume people are talking about the dude who got his bicep blown off

I'd rather hit a guy with 9 pellets over having to magdump him, also harder to explain in court

>>64917050
>00 buck bbs are about the same mass as 55 grain 5.56. they are both going to bleed energy when they hit something due to low masses.
>Lead balls have the same penetrating power as jacketed pointy ogives

Ok retard.

>>64917050
>there's no fucking spread. buckshot isn't going to spread at HD ranges
5-10 inches at 25 yards is quite a bit of spread. It'll cover a torso quite nicely, whereas a single shot of .223 doesn't cover shit in terms of hit probability area

>if it does that's a bad thing because it's going to go through the wall
You're still assuming the .223 is perfectly aimed and the buckshot isn't...for some reason.

>>64917491
again, the only guy kyle multitapped was the pedo and even then he only put 4 shots into him and he only put that many shots into him because they were both running. 4 shots isn't a lot. aren't cops trained to fire until the guy stops moving?
>>64917611
>Ok
they're going to bleed off energy retard. they are low mass projectiles, you gay retard
>>64917611
>5-10 inches at 25 yards is quite a bit of spread.
where the fuck do you live that you are shooting 25 yards inside your house, no guns? and cool, have fun with those pellets that miss and go through the walls
>You're still assuming the .223 is perfectly aimed and the buckshot isn't...for some reason.
you are the one doing the
muh buckshot spread memes
plus people usually have better sights on an AR and it's easier to get an AR on target for multishot strings
>>64917430
>just don't aim

>>64917666
>they're going to bleed off energy retard. they are low mass projectiles, you gay retard
Not at the same rate, retard. How do you not understand that some projectiles lose energy better than others.

>>64917666
>where the fuck do you live that you are shooting 25 yards inside your house
25 yards covers the larger houses with long hallways, as well as opportunities that you may have shooting inside-out. If your argument is that an AR is better within 3 yards, you do you, but if a guy was that close to me, I'd rather shoot a load of buck than hoping a .22cal bullet will somehow stop them in their tracks.

>>64917666
>and cool, have fun with those pellets that miss and go through the walls
>you are the one doing the muh buckshot spread memes
So, which is it ? Does buckshot spread or does it not? Gotta take a pick my man.

My point is buckshot has a better hit probability than a single round of .223 because of the little spread that it has. Simple as.


>>64917666
>plus people usually have better sights on an AR
Says who? A chinese red dot won't perform much better than a shotgun bead within 25y.

>>64917844
>Not at the same rate,
they are literally both going through barriers, retardo and 5.56 will tumble or mushroom depending on the ammo choice, retard
>I'd rather shoot a load of buck than hoping a .22cal bullet will somehow stop them in their tracks.
and 5.56 will tumble or mushroom depending on the ammo choice, retard
>So, which is it ? Does buckshot spread or does it not? Gotta take a pick my man.
it won't spread in normal HD ranges. if you're shooting far enough for it to spread that's a bad thing because then you have pellets going off who knows where, phone posting retardo
>My point is buckshot has a better hit probability than a single round of .223 because of the little spread that it has. Simple as.
cool, so you have no guns and have never shot a shotgun, retard
>Says who? A chinese red dot won't perform much better than a shotgun bead within 25y.
you can use a chinese red dot in any lighting condition, retardo

>>64917844
you're trying to reason with a retard that uses, b-but Kyle did it with an AR! as an argument in every shotgun threads, and thinks semi auto 12ga has sub optimal stopping power in HD range
he's either just baiting or a zoomer who's watched one too many US MARINE CQB TACTIC videos

>>64917957
>t. samefag who wants to justify xis mall ninja shotgun

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>>64913850 If you just want to buy another shotgun, go off king. Ive considered the A300 aswell. However your mav88 is the best bang for your buck because you already own it, and know how to use it. What you stand to gain between what you know how to run(a pump) to a semi auto shotgun that increases in chance to jam is negligible at best. Like the second guy in this thread said, its unlikely youll be target hopping between a army of no jobs breaking in. At that point get an 556/300blk gun. Id a weapon light at minimum. I personally dont feel a optic of any kind is needed on a HD shotgun, bead works fine for me, but you do you. Good luck fellow scatter gun enjoyer.

>>64917973
>t. tactical timmy who refuses to accept his callofduty gayr-15 isn't the best thing for every scenario

>>64919171
>why would a carbine that's used for combat be the ideal gun for home defense combat
the world may never know.
also the a300 is 100% mall ninja shit

>>64919189
>Why would the preferred caliber that's used for close range bear defense, now available in semi auto, be the ideal gun for home defense
Lol
Lmao

>>64919189
ok timmy you can go back to pretending to be a tier 1 door kicker super spec ops soldier, in the real world people can use different calibers for different things

>>64919223
because you totally use slugs for home defense?
retard
>>64919242
have fun with your mall ninja tacticool cawl of dowty shotgun tactical timmy

>>64919280
>bro I need my soldier gun just like they used in the gwot sandbox doorkickers sof operator operations to defend my tendie collection

>>64919309
that's LITERALLY what the A300 is, tactical timmy

>>64913979
>>64914547
Benelli is owned by Beretta

>>64914635

Fudd, (you) 556 is like an explosive upon impact on flesh within 150 yards. Go research spalling. I don't think cops even carry shotguns around anymore. I'd totally rather get hit with 00 shot in the arm. They pass through. A 556 round will almost blow your arm off. I can shoot a retard with a a pump action shotgun 10 times for each time they shoot one time with a pump gun.

Only a fucking retard LARPer would take a shotgun to a gun fight. I got a battle belt in the computer chair with a pistol mag and a rifle mag.

My shotgun is strictly just for fun. I'd never use it for anything other than maybe a drone

>>64914628
It's not the range it's the effect 0 to 150 yards vice being limited to short range. If the fight changes I'm not stuck with a useless gun if the engagement range changes.

>>64916467
Why are you comparing a chinese pump action to an American made semi auto? They're utterly incomparable. Compare a semi auto shotgun to a semi auto AR. Show me a $400 semi auto shotgun you'd trust with your life. I'll show you 50 $400 AR15s I'd trust with my life.

>This is HD, not a USPSA stage.
Where would capacity, accuracy and controlability POSSIBLY matter more than in a life and death situation in which you have seconds to react and land shots, regardless of whether there are 1 or 10 assailants? Are you brain damaged?

>A .22cal bullet just isn--
Oh fuck I've been had. Bamboozled by an imbecile larping as an insincere jokester.

>>64914104
I'm the one bitching about the shotgun vice the AR but this is a fine argument. Very well. It's what you like instead of what is better based overall. I love this redneck shit psychology

>>64919322
>>64914582

>>64916467
9 shot coming out of a blunderbuss effect you god dam fucking stupid double digit IQ moron. It's not 9 individual shots, it's not like each shot coming out of its own rifled barrel. You motherfuckers who say this, I don't understand how fucking dumb you are. And what's worse is you're gun owners who are this stupid. The shots lose velocity and go all over the place after 20 yards and they lose all stopping power

>>64919318
I don't remember the last time a soldier carried an A300 my nigga

>>64919346
uh oh ESL melty!!!!!

>>64919318
who carried a a300 in the gwot?

>>64919474
>>64919495
They carried another semi auto shotgun called a benelli m4?

>>64913850
Its a nice shotgun and it isnt explicitly used as a military weapon so the imaginary DA in this douchebag's (>>64919318) imaginary scenario would have trouble arguing that it has no sporting purpose. If its comfortable for you, get it, enjoy it and try doing cosmo clays

Was looking into the A300 until I learned that you can't swap between barrel lengths outside of one specific model that is hardly available

Anyone know if there's a good semi auto that can swap barrels easily, or is that primarily a pump gun feature due to the gas/recoil system on the semis?

Why do Americans even bother with shotguns ? If you can buy an AR buy a fucking AR
Shotguns fucking suck, no penetration, no accuracy, no volume of fire, literally only viable in europoor countries because rifles are all bolt action
If you worry about overpen then buy a carbine or SMG, you are American

>>64914635
Buck shot easy, even soft armor can protect against buck
Also by that logic an elephant gun is superior to p90 on cqc

>>64916467
I rather have a 400 $ AR than a 3000 $ shotgun in any situation or scenario were my life is in danger

>>64921566
It is very possible that this will be the most retarded take on this board today.

>>64921639
Its probably a bot, it just keeps repeating the same shitty take

>>64913850
I looked into the A300, ultimately decided against it because of those two cons:

- gas operated
- cannot fit extension tubes

Both of those are red flags for a drone gun

BTW your bog standard AR will do better than any shotgun for any threat on two legs

>>64914059
>heatshield

Allows for an assault-style grip, leading to sustained fully pump firing without being burned. Off to the gulag with you.

>>64916467
>A .22cal bullet just isn't as good as 9x buckshot hitting you.
I'm not sure where this fuddlore comes from. Statistically shotguns are no better than rifles when it comes to one-shot stops. If you've ever been hunting then you know a rifle incapacitates game far better than a shotgun does even when the shotgun causes more meat damage.

> Inversely, a .223 bullet will overpen
You actually have that backwards. .223 bullets have low mass and therefore shit for inertia. buckshot or even a 9mm hollowpoint is a greater ovenpen risk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSP0uZ61QDo

>>64917844
>My point is buckshot has a better hit probability than a single round of .223 because of the little spread that it has.

That is true. Shot for shot you do have a slightly higher chance of hitting with buckshot. However, that's irrelevant when the rifle has much higher capacity than the shotgun. Who cares if the shotty has a slightly higher % chance of hitting when the AR has 3-4x the capacity?

>>64921566
They're fun and cool. For some reason a lot of people have a hard time admitting that.

>no penetration, no accuracy, no volume of fire
Yes. But that doesn't actually matter, because whether you admit it or not, guns are toys for most people. They're not buying them for accuracy or volume of fire. They're buying them to larp.

>>64913850
I have a 1301
it's my favourite gun to shoot
can't recommend it enough and I imagine the a300 is just as good, semi auto shotties are fun as fuck

>>64919474
it's literally a mall ninja "combat shotgun". it's tacticool shit, retardo

>>64919495
>gun is specifically marketed as a tacticool combat shotgun
>not tacticool mall ninja shit
pick one
>>64921518
first off, no one ever argues the sporting purpose shit since that's retarded and the 2nd amendment explicitly protects your right to own guns for self defense inside your own him. we don't live in a third world no gunz faggot country
second the a300 doesn't have a sporting purpose. it's a tacticool timmy mall ninja "combat shotgun"

>>64921566
we don't. that's why shotgun sales are down and most new gun sales are ARs or handguns.
>>64921998
the heatshield is cringe, but I don't think any manual action guns outside of a street sweeper shotgun have ever been under an AWB in any state

>>64922170
A300 isnt the tacticool, it is the boomer bait semi auto for fudds who think the 1301 is too military for their liking

>>64922170
Why are you so angry? Its clearly a sporting gun because it doesnt have all those naughty assault bits like a pistol grip, folding stock or that thing that goes up.

>>64922179
it's a fucking 18.5 inch barrel with mlok slots, a cylinder bore, rifle sights and a pic rail. it's literally marketed as a "combat shotgun". it's a tacticool gun
>>64922188
a. it isn't because they have to import them with a different configuration because the extended mag isn't considered sporting
b. it's not a sporting gun because it's a 18.5 inch barrel with mlok slots, a cylinder bore, rifle sights and a pic rail. it's literally marketed as a "combat shotgun". it's a tacticool gun
c. it isn't even relevant because you don't need to justify a gun as a sporting gun to own it since we don't live in a third world country

>>64922207
A. Extended mags are fun
B. Who cares besides faggots?
C. Fuck yah muddah

>>64921554
>or is that primarily a pump gun feature due to the gas/recoil system on the semis?

Basically this. Not common at all on semi auto shotguns

>>64913850
The A300 is awesome.
>>64913979
>looks better in court
Shut up dumbass.
>>64914044
No it isn’t. Quit parroting shit you read from people who don’t know what they’re talking about.
>>64922207
What’s up with you faggots being mad about combat and riot shotguns existing?

>>64922908
it's mall ninja shit you homosexual

>>64922944
Are you faggots mad that guns for duty and self defense exist? Post your guns.

>>64922988
>a300
>duty gun
lmao, I have a mossberg and an AR you retard. a300s are mall ninja shit

>>64923017
Use your words fuckwitt. What about the shotgun is bad?

>>64923065
Presumably because MY FUARKING HERO KYLE RITTENHOUSE killed the bad guys with an AR kek

>>64923065
>>64923080
it's mall ninja shit and inferior to an AR for home defense, you no gunz dickless tranny. and it's bad for hunting or clays because there's no choke and it's got a short barrel. so you made a gun that's optimized for hd, but more expensive and worse than an AR. it's a solution without a problem. it only makes sense if you live in a place that bans semi auto rifles, retardo.

>>64923065
You don’t get it bro, you have to live in 2004 but you’re also not allowed to like shotguns.

>>64921566
because if someone is coming at you inside your house, a shotgun is more useful unless you were planning on shooting him through the walls

>>64922179
isn't the 1301 $1000 more expensive?

>>64923135
>>64921566
fucking fuddlore shit. ARs and shotguns have the same over penetration issues
>>64923127
>no bro, you need this trashblaster 9000 that's only good at blasting trash

>>64923138
You still haven’t explained what’s wrong with the gun.

>>64923138
you were the one bitching about needing an AR to shoot through barriers retard. why is that more important than stopping the bad guy in one shot

>>64923166
>you were the one bitching about needing an AR to shoot through barriers
when did I say that, ESL tard?
>>64923140
it is neither my fault that you cannot read, not my job to teach you to read

>>64923221
>has no arguments
>resorts to name calling
I can't wait for this war to be over

>>64923228
I've explained it in multiple posts. you can't read. why should I repeat myself because you cannot read?

>>64923244
You’ve done nothing but name calling and stating that you own a PSA AR for multiple posts.

>>64923275
I don't own a PSA AR and I've explained why mall ninja shotguns are dumb and ARs are better. learn to read

>>64923282
All you have done is repeat the buzz words “mall ninja” and “tacticool”

>>64923309
nope. please consider adult literacy classes

so any real opinions or are we just going to call each other brown ESL? is that what this board is now?

>>64923317
Drink some tea lil nigga

>>64914044
You have to paint it pink and put anime girls on it to prove it's entirely sexual.

>>64924497
No, we yell mall ninja and tacticool lol

>>64924497
always has been
>>64924785
why would I drink tea, I'm not a homosexual