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>>64914224
It's been like this since the 80s, it's just that nobody knew. The gap is widening, despite all the analysts claims that the world was catching up. They aren't and it's not really clear if they ever will. China is not a real contender anymore. We should still pretend they are and double the defense budget for funsies, but they're not actually a real threat.

Pic rel is something thirdies cannot comprehend. They think they get it. They really don't.

>>64914224
The US makes up 37% of total global military spending, it's a militant state.

No. But US weapons tech is
>very well tested
>manufactured with high quality
>manufactured with the best material sciences that can be leveraged (engines)
>trained on by both its operators and technicians
>supported by impressive logistics and ISR assets
It’s advanced but it’s also used correctly. No magic needed. Now SIGINT/ELINT yeah they’ve won the fucking game. We’re most likely two or 3 generations past SOSUS in terms of SSBN tracking along with most other blue water subs. SeaWolf has molested every deep see cable that exists. The X-37b is hatching god knows what in orbit for YEARS on end.

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>>64914263
And it's still just a fraction of our GDP.

>>64914252
>Cuba + Venezuela eating shit means that the already ignored Southcom needs even fewer resources
>Iran and Syria eating shit means that once the Houthi's are dealt with post-Iran Centcom is mostly fine
>Africom could use some more resources but no one really cares and it's so undeveloped putting them anywhere isn't gonna be cheap...
>EUcom Russia has castrated itself
Which just leaves Pacific command with China and the NORKs. Once China goes for Taiwan the biggest threat to the US will unironically be North Korea.

>>64914224
If anything we just demonstrated to the entire world over the last couple months that we know where you are, and if we want to get to you we absolutely can.

>>64914288
I have a sneaking suspicion that someone in the DoW or Trump's administration figured that with their current resources they couldn't commit to the Pacific while also maintaining a presence in the other regions, so they've embarked on a plan to eliminate the need to be in those regions and free up availability for China.

>>64914224
What IS the spirit of Oklahoma?

>>64914224
USA tech is functionally Clarketech compared to the rest of the world. It isn't even warfare anymore, it's a force of nature. It just is.

>>64914252
From what I understand, the US assessments are that IF Chinese capabilities are what they say they are (which looking at what's happened in Ukraine with the Russian military is a big IF) then the Chinese could hold their own in or around their own territory. Compared to just about anywhere else in the world where the US can (besides political ramifications) theoretically act with almost complete impunity, China is a threat.
They're still lightyears behind when it comes to force projection and I doubt they will ever even have a chance to catch up in that sphere.

>>64914304
Yeah it’s been interesting to see long term US strategic interests go through the Trump filter. You just know the Joint Chiefs were like “Greenland is going to be vitally important for future arctic ASW/ASuW response.” And that they meant like the 2050’s and then the orange man went Down syndrome mode. I’m not even mad but I’m convinced that’s the way these things are playing out.

>>64914288
AFRICOM are basically just extra European theater assets in reality

>>64914263
>>64914275
not a very good metric when you see what France and other tiny spenders can do, just shows that we could be even better if we were less corrupt

>>64914380
They got a lot better at working him certainly. NGAD designation landing on 47 instead of any other odd 40 series number that they seem to be using for that and the drones. Navy finally getting the cruiser they wanted for 50 years approved by convincing him they’d named a battleship after him. Greenland spazz out is a bit unfortunate, but Rubio being left unattended with the keys to the military is also working out so far.

>>64914428
Lol? What can France do? Their entire military network is enabled by NATO (US).

>>64914453
No France is quite independent in that regard.

>>64914453
calm down chuddy I just said the MIC is using tax money in a very inefficient way and used France as an example of a country that can produce a lot of cool stuff with very little money

>>64914453
Serval was a pretty tidy operation.

>>64914428
cost plus is retarded but we'd still be massive spenders even in the ideal case
america chooses to invest in things that often don't pan out

>>64914224
>Has the US weapons technology reached a point where it's basically magic to third-tier militaries?

No, not for reasonably advanced or militaristic nations. They know they are hopelessly overmatched and can't compete so they try asymetric or localised methods of countering it, obviously the example i'll give is the DPRK.

It isn't magic, it just requires that you adopt to how things are instead of how you wish things were. It also helps if you have a significant number of atomic weapons and the means to deliver them.

>>64914428
I mean a huge portion of that is just the overhead on having bases fucking everywhere. At this point the network is so extensive I don’t think the British at their peak had as many. Unfortunately being everywhere all the time is just hideously expensive, and there isn’t much you can do about that except leave

>>64914548
>reasonably advanced or militaristic nations
>obviously the example i'll give is the DPRK
yeah yeah we know you are completely retarded, thanks for confirming it once again

>>64914252
>double
Pathetic.
Gut the welfares and social this and thats. Drop everyone who only exists to make burger and eat more burger while pulling more in tax than they pay into the marianas trench.
Put all the money into the military.

>>64914428
While the US MIC has corruption issues so does every military on earth.

>>64914531
>>64914532
it was a fucking retarded example
france had to come begging the US for help with Libya just a short duration into it
not to mention how pathetic france has been dealing with ukraine-russia

>>64914428
Remember when France and the Brits had to beg and borrow bombs from the US when bombing Libya in 2011 because they ran out? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

>>64914252
Every soviet surface action group and a good chunk of their submarines were being tracked and shadowed in the 80's. That extreme military budget isn't just money laundering as it turns out.

>>64914453
eurokeks believe they could have done the maduro raid lol

RQ180 status? Did we use it yet?

>>64914586
where did France touch you Abdul ?

>>64914252
>>64914224
It's been like this since the gun was invented
>>64914622
You mean the bombs that they were buying from the US because they are both small US vassals the have been DnC'd for 70 years into being dependant militarily on the US had to ask to US to buy more bombs? Shocker.
Do you know how much the european treaties with Russia that were lead by the US handicapped Europe.

>>64914735
Confirmed used in the Fracas in Caracas, no info yet on if also used in Iran

>>64914252
>>64914275
Now imagine if they confiscate the wealth of billionaires and spend it on good things like the defense budget. Those people don't do anything with it anyways.

>>64914291
Atleast when it comes to third world shitholes.

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>>64914380
Well it was Ronald Lauder who planted the idea of getting greenland to Trump.

>>64914224
yes

>>64914380
At this point I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it turns out Sam Altman convinced Trump that they needed Greenland to build AI data centers.

>>64915112
>confiscate the wealth of billionaires.
According to fortune magazine, all US billionaires currently have a combined net worth of $2.9 trillion. USA currently has a defense budget of just shy of $1 trillion annually. Confiscation of that wealth wpuld be a one-time, non-repeatable cash infusion equivalent to less than three years worth of normal, peacetime spending. No point, really. People (and I use the term loosely, since here it refers to commies and other pinkos) love to hate rich individuals, but fail to grasp how little wealth they command on a national level.

>>64915112
>confiscate the wealth and spend it on good things
Do you even know what "wealth" is? It's companies. You can't take a tech company or a car company and spend it on defense like it's liquid cash.

>>64914224
Invisibility IS majik!

>>64914451
This shit pisses me off. Number designations have been all fucked up because of the combining of X and YF numbers with the JSF program. The F-35 should really be the F-25 and drones should be their own things using Q series numbers. NGAD should probably be sub-30.

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>>64914252
>China is not a real contender anymore
Really? Was it ever?

>>64916461
No, but we believed it was for the last 10 years or so. Well, we at least believed it could be. Technically, if they were run by competent people, they could still reach a near-peer status, it's just that authoritarian regimes are allergic to military competence, so it's unlikely that will ever happen. We should still be preparing as if it's possible.

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>>64916478
>should still be preparing
I have been preparing for a long time. NEH.

>>64914548
MiG-15s are not advanced, NorkTard

>>64916619
They are to Norks, preese understand.

>>64915104
Wasnt that the RQ170? Im talking about the RQ180, the bogger one seen flying over area51 and the phillipines

>>64914771
>have to buy bombs from US
>don't buy enough
>run out
>have to beg for more
>America yoinks Venezuela's Presidente
>FRANCE IS JUST AS GOOD AND ANYBODY COULD DO WHAT LE FUCKIN AMERICANS DID IN FACT FRANCE COULD DO IT BETTER... AND CHEAPER!!!
You really don't hate the French enough

I think an EU-led seizure of Crimea is very possible with their current forces.

>>64914224
>80s B2s
>Patriots cockswatting HYPERSANNICS in Ukraine

Moscow & Beijing had to be gifted nukes to keep up the defense budget pantomime. Moore's Law already guaranteed no one is ever gaining parity again. If Bugs and Mongoloid Snow Apes want to do something world-historically evil AND stupid, they can find out the hard way.

>>64914378
>bubba pop up biolabs like in California and Vegas
>infiltrate tens of thousands of soldiers, all of whom see how much better they live here
>Ukraine style drone bullshit against airfields

"The Secret Speech of Chi Haotian" outlines Taiwan as the persistent cover for action to attempt First Striking the USA. Biobullshit is even more traceable than nuclear fuel isotopes-- whatever degree the above was effective, the submarines alone could ethnocide the Mainland, and compromising civil institutions for a formal 'capitulation' would only make Continuity of Government kick in and be even more efficient Command and Control, guaranteeing MAD.

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>>64914771
Anon, that was just a couple years after France had made a big show of claiming that they didn't need JDAMs because they could make them themselves.

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The space aspect can't be understated. the U.S. has dedicated 363 orbital launches for Starlink, which allows for unprecedented high-bandwidth communication anywhere on the planet. We used it for the Iran strike w/ LUCAS drones.

No one else can launch tonnage to orbit at that rate. Maybe china in 3 years.

we're so confident that we force functional PAL technology down the throats of our enemies just so that they don't fucking mess everything up
>awww nice nooks sweetie
>here use this so you don't get hurt

>>64918684
This guy gets it

>>64916461
in the korean war before the great disaster forward hemorrhaged the people's support for the state

>>64914275
>7.1
full scale war btw

>>64914274
This.

But thinking your shit is magic and you are invulnerable is hubris that will get your buttpussy reamed.
Even if you are the US military.

>>64920241
Yes shill...and which force shot down those jets and whats the country of the origin of the AD system used ?

>>64920241
FF tho

>>64920298
I mean most Russian jets were also shot down by Russian made AD. Funny how that goes.

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>>64914224
>>64914252
>>64914263
>>64914274
>>64914291
https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/4418568/three-us-f-15s-involved-in-friendly-fire-incident-in-kuwait-pilots-safe/

>>64920298
Most Russian jets lots were to either Ukrainian or Russian's own S-300 and even S-400

>>64920327
>>64920334
>posting against the timer
Samefag

>>64920361
> the only thing that can shoot down the US is the fucking US
They're too powerful, I kneel to the immortal strength of the United States Military

>>64920401
S-300's and S-400's literally bagged their own, Su-34's, Su-35's and even A-50's AWACS in Ukraine

>>64920361
>Shot down by retarded friendly sandniggers
>Not by Iranians though

>>64914548
…or how Iran focuses on drone carriers onstead of trying to make regular carriers.

>>64921973
Don't give norkfag relevance

>>64914224
It's reached the point where our big expensive weapons systems have given way to extremely low cost and extremely effective weapons like the JSOW and the APKWSII/Vampire, etc.

>>64914224
I'll be real with you mate, the success of these last operations has honestly been a bit spooky. Our military vaporized the leadership of those towelheads like it's nothing, even though they knew they had a target on their back and that it was obvious Trump was smelling blood in the water, getting ready to strike at any moment. And yet they couldn't do fuck all about their demise. Almost feels like POTUS got the death note in his possession, so if he knows your name and face, whoever you are and wherever you are, he can kill you at will. It is quite magical. Every world leader not on friendly terms with the US should be shitting his pants right about now.

>>64914378
The bigger issue with China is materiel exports and imports. China is THE global exporter and even if we diminish our own reliance on China, their role as the global exporter gives them leverage to force others to help economically contain and weaken us. It's why it's a matter of national security that not only we wean ourselves off China but we economically contain them everywhere and our allies do the only thing they're useful for and not import literally everything from China and Taiwan.

>>64919917
that number hasn't been accurate for ages, that was pre-war.
right now it's likely somewhere around 25%

>>64922434
smells like ukrop cope.

>>64914224
It's easy when you have a veritable army of satellites and bases and allies everywhere. It's not when you're a theocratic dictatorship that alienated every single country in the world with their megalomaniacallly evil plans.

>>64922366
Really? When are you gonna convince the corpos to invest in your domestic industries? Or how, anyway?

>>64920361
>40 year old technology
>Still requires top-of-the-line US equipment simply to engage

>>64914428
France is limited to bashing africans heads in once in a while, they have no capacity to do a long scale war outside europe against even someone like pre-raped isis

>>64914224
What?
So far we have seen:
> 30 year old B2
> Tomahawk but black
> Tomahawk but with wings forward
> Shahed but American

Whatever's the US secret it's clearly not some very over wunderwaffe

In fact it kinda disproves the need and belief in the effectiveness of miracle weapons.

Even with muhF22/F35 it isn't what operational relevance they had, and if they could've been substituted with something else.

>>64922805
Ah yes, the US was able to achieve total air dominance via SEAD/DEAD with zero casualties inflicted by Iran's ADN, but the stealth craft that are the best at penetrating ADN to achieve this were pointless.

>>64919917
That figure doesn't hold up on inspection, Russia has been experiencing greater than 25% inflation yearly for 4 years straight due to its military spending, and it's entire economy has been fully converted to a militant state with every industry suffering from massive wage devaluation EXCEPT for weapons production for the war.

I'd like to get their source on >7%

>>64922844
see>>64922438
the same people said that they would run out of missiles by 2022

>>64922510
Same way China did ideally, massive subsidies to make the choice a no brainer. More realistically however America doesn't need to be the builder, it just needs the builder to be firmly in its sphere and beyond reach of enemy destruction. NAFTA was pragmatic, but it required that Mexico be used for heavy manufacturing like steel and ships not shit like sneakers and baseballs.

>>64914274
>No magic needed
The materials science that goes into it is as close as we can get to magic, at least until nanomachines start consuming the planet.

Three RQ180s are there now to provide intel

>>64919917
>>64922844
They spend 7% on their military, and 20% on things that totally aren't military, like bailing out banks they forced to give loans to Sukhoi and UAZ that will never be paid back because Russia buys their trucks and planes for less than the cost of materials.

>>64923075
now that is something i can get behind and that is logical instead of made up stuff that can't be proven wrong or right like this >>64922844
like what is that >>64922844 are we on reuters here? anothe cope artical?
i still don't think this is something bad since every country does that. pump failed industries with money to keep them running. nothing new.

>>64922874
What? Are you going to meddle with the free market? What are you a communist? State regulations over multinational businesses and government owned enterprises is something those pesky yuropoor liberals do, just leave mr goldbergstein choose which nation is the most profitable to outsource to!

>>64922366
It's also the reason they will never do anything. They're not gonna kill every other industry they have with sanctions just to get the edge on semiconductors only to not be able to sell those anyway.

>>64915112
We allow straight up commies here now?

>>64924210
it's their money. they earned it fair and square. do not ask questions.

>>64915112
>wealth of billionaires
this is also known as jobs
if you steal their wealth, you are rendering tens of thousands of people unemployed

>>64920497
Yeah but so did Patriots and EuroSAMs. Zigger/Chink AD has been worthless.

>>64925483
Why would that be the case? Do you think Elon and Bill Gates write their checks or something? People would still work the same jobs Bill Gates and Elon and Jeff Bezos and all the rest of them would just have their ownership stake taxed away.

>10 people died, that means there will be a huge draft and it will kill all Americans!
Do people really believe this?

>>64922438
smells like you're seething that your favourite shithole is not the USSR and can't lie to itself and maintain a war economy like this without collapsing economically over time.

>>64922870
>b-but my strawman
yes, correct, russians got so close to running out of missiles that their usage significantly dropped to: barely any at all, but you're right, my angry, brown contrarian friend, they never actually used their LAST missile.
>>64923789
>nothing new
>collapsing your economy and lying to yourself in order to maintain a war budget that's way beyond russia's ability is nothing new
lol.

>>64915112
Confiscate to whom? State? LOL. If you're not transferring the company shares to the population I don't want to hear about this scam.

>>64914224
>They know where everything is at any time
They don't know where their own F-15Es are.

>>64914224
What magic technology? You mean missiles that cost 10 million that can't even reliably shoot down a 20k drone? What would impress me is if US had $2k drones that reliably shoot down shaheds. Ukraine can do it, so why can't the US? If anything, the US military looks outdated and industrially weak. It can only beat impoverished third world shitholes and lost against goat herders.

>>64926612
Back to /pol/ goat fucker

>>64923789
Most (all?) other countries just pay their weapons suppliers (domestic or foreign) directly instead of demanding they be given weapons for practically free and then continually giving them totally-not-military-spending bailouts.

>>64916430
Yeah, confiscation is retarded. Taxation makes much more sense. And not just on people, but corporate income (not profits).

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>>64914224
Iran hit the AN/FPS-132 in Qatar. Don't get cocky or you'll get a bloody nose. That sort of thinking is why 4 US soldiers were killed in a C2 trailer that everyone knew was underprotected.

https://x.com/sam_lair/status/2028961678776488111?s=20

>>64926770
ayatollah status?

>>64926770
>Damage to north-eastern radar face
But that's a two-panel radar. There's no radar on that face.