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>>64920291
Why are Arab militaries so shit?

>>64920291
>There is a reality where an F-15 got shot down by an F-14
I would love to be in that timeline just for the memes but no, she's dead Jim.

>>64920291
I am assured by famously realistic game documentary War Thunder that claims of friendly fire are wectoid cope for Fakour-90 supremacy.

>>64920306
I fully believe the Kuwaitis got the F-15. Still it'd be interesting to know which planes were involved in combat.
It had to be F-14s or MiG-29s. Don't think they'd sent F-4 Phantoms or F-5 Tigers out.

>>64920321
I really don't think there is a single F-14 left that can fly although it would be funny as fuck if the F-14 shot down an F-22.

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>>64920306
She will live on in our hearts.


Highway to the danger zone... ;_;7

Actually, have any Iranian planes even gone airborne yet?

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>>64920291
>3 F15s accidently shot down?
>no chance
>Iranian F14s into the dangerzone

We are so back Tomcat bros.

>>64920370
Central Command says it was Iranian drones, planes and missiles over Kuwait. So it guess somebody got airborne.

>>64920478
They're only like twenty kilometres apart at their closest point, so it's theoretically possible for some ballsy bastard to make a run into Kuwaiti airspace.

>>64920478
It says aircraft and not "planes".

>>64920370
Allegedly they are using Su-35

>>64920483
Also Iran is huge and they probably had a lot of reserve airfields. Not mention the planes might not be very high on either the US‘ or Israel‘s priority compared to other targets.
If were extremely generous at best it’s a dozen or so old Mig-29s, Phantoms, Tomcats, Tigers, Mirages and Chinese bootleg MiG-21.
>>64920501
It’s not drones or missiles since those got mentioned separately, what else could it be? Are you implying some madman flew a Cobra or Huey into Kuwait?

>>64920510
They haven't even received Su-35's.
But MiG's have flown, also allegedly.

>>64920370
>Actually, have any Iranian planes even gone airborne yet?
Yes, they struck the US base in Iraqi Kurdistan with one of their jets, the first instance of enemy forces carrying out air attacks on US assets since the Korean war

>>64920516
It was an US Army airship from WW1.

>>64920370
Kurds claim a lone F-4 bombed one of their fields up north.

>>64920520
they have trainer verients

>>64920539
Wasn't that a drone attack?

>>64920560
That was just Türkiye.

>>64920541
Giving the makeup of Iran's military equipment this wouldn't even be too unbelievable.

>>64920563
Apparently they only got two of these. Ballsy if they went into combat with those.

>>64920335
>>64920930
Just make an F-14 thread at this stage. This may be the very last time to see one alive.

>>64920510
>Su-35s
The best I can do is Yak-130s.

>>64920304
Because, as technology advances and warfare becomes more complex, the smarter militaries need to be to do good at it.

In the past, warfare was such that only the generals really needed to be smart, and not even very smart, just a bit smart and bold, and the rest of your army could be entirely composed of retards. So long as they were courageous and good at swinging swords, they'd do fine. So Arabs had no problem. But as time passed, not only did your generals need to be able to plan more and more and understand ever more complex battlefields, while the increasing complexity of warmachines and armies required ever increasing numbers of intelligent people in the military. So Arabs started eating shit, since intelligent Arabs are rare.

>>64920370
Qatar is claiming two Su-24 kills today

>>64920291
Why is this fucking war increasingly sounding like Ukraine on the gulf?

>>64920304
Go read "why Arabs lose wars"

TL;DR is that nepotism (officers are made up of sons of important figures, not the best lesders), and job security fears are rife through it.

If someone is good at something, instead of training up the others to their level, they hide it and keep it for themselves.

Unlike western militaries where you are expected to get promoted and are expected to not only train for the next position that gives that rank, but train those below you to eventually replace you.

For example, as an E-5 FCC i always trained my airmen to become FCC's eventually, so when I got promoted they could do my job.

>>64920306
With a nepo-baby Arab flying the Eagle? Strongly possible.

>>64920760
I doubt they have a choice. Their Tomcats have very old airframes, all their other planes are dogshit. Also they could use Su-35s to fly a short flight in a mountain valley, flanked by soldiers with manpads and sams on the mountaintops, launch a bvr missile guided by other radar sensors via Beidu link to hit a jet 80+ miles away. If I was an Iranian airforce general this would be the ONLY offensive airstrikes I would authorize.

>>64921687
Seems likely, Su-24 is a pretty poor jet.

>>64921687
Probably used to launch ALCMs, not a good sign for their TEL numbers if they’re using those instead of the older SRBMs that close to home. On the other hand, I guess they could’ve figured it’s only a matter of time until the strike fleet was completely destroyed so they might as well use them now.

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I hear the pilot is a joker in his unit whose unorthodox tactics clashed with top brass. He thought he was finally hanging up his wings until he heard the commies in Washington got his wingman Ali ('Gandalf') Khamenei one day before his retirement