>>64920680
Speaking of quad wing drones, what happened to the Lancet? I don't think I've seen any mentions in a while

>>64920693
They keep using it and it's decently effective. Sometimes it gets intercepted by Ukrainian drones.
I think it's just a pre-war design that they never managed to scale effectively.

>>64920680
>It is reported that the HX-2 is being employed for strikes deep in the Russian rear.
>“They are hitting repair crews and road network installation teams in the relative rear,” the occupiers stated.
In other words, the drone is in the ass? Relatively speaking?

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>>64920680
>deep in the Russian rear

>>64920680
Interesting that everything is a quad with varying thrust instead of control surfaces these days, makes sense because drone controller all-in-one are dirt cheap but I expected more conventional fixed wings.
Also based krauts letting the Ukies go deep.

dumb question, are four smaller engines cheaper/more efficient than one bigger one?

>>64920873
Not necessarily, but you can modulate the energy sent to the 4 engines to change the direction of the drone more easily.

>>64920873
They allow steering without any control surfaces / servos while also making it faster.

>>64920873
Distributed propulsion guys say yes, I'm kinda skeptical. Ultimately you should do a trade study for your exact requirements and then test and verify it.
>>64920862
Far easier config for takeoff/landing and transitioning, given the aforementioned controllers. The v-bat guy spent a long time tuning the control scheme for those phases of flight. If we believe the electric flying taxi tards, distributed propulsion is theoretically better for efficiency (I have doubts about this in practice).

>>64920862
Krauts finally have a guy in charge who hates Russia. Three years late but it could be worse.

>>64920680
and as an Helsing employee I'm insanely happy about this
I wish I could post videos from our internal "unofficial" meme matrix server, absolute /k/ino edits there

also apparently there are already talks (office gossip) for tripling production
so matching / surpassing Yelabuga (which is a shitshow anyways)

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>>64921053
>and as an Helsing employee
I actually tried getting hired there a couple times, my main choice was a programme analyst role. Is there a way to contact you that you are comfortable with sharing on /k/?
I swear I'm not FSB.

>>64921053
based, TZD

>>64921053
based if true

>>64921096
>actually tried getting hired there a couple times, my main choice was a programme analyst role
yeah depending on the role there are quite a lot of applicants
the easiest is arguably being in AI research (how I was hired) or any Administrative role and having a background / experience in the defense industry
also I heard Munich / Berlin is easier to get compared to the other offices (but don't know for sure)

>Is there a way to contact you that you are comfortable with sharing on /k/?
I couldn't do anything for you anyway
also
>I swear I'm not FSB.
it's far more likely that you're a coworker who wants to troll me
even people on the executive team know about /k/ (and 4chan in general)

>>64920939
>distributed propulsion is theoretically better for efficiency
I think for blown wing designs it can allow extremely low stall speeds but the highest efficiency will always be the biggest prop you can fit.

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>>64920939
>distributed propulsion is theoretically better for efficiency
I see the quad setup primarily as being better for VTOL, which is where things are going. Why build a runway for short hop urban when a pad will do?
>>64921239
Basically this; most efficient is going to be largest prop moving at slowest speed possible. You're basically trying to stay within laminar flow as long as possible... I think. See human powered flight, where power peaks at like 1/6 HP sustained.

>>64921265
>power peaks at like 1/6 HP sustained.
For you, maybe. I'm built different.

>>64921273
lol
I did design project many years ago around human power vehicles. The points I remember were for average adult male, 1/3 HP is about top power output, with 1/6 HP sustained average over "longer" time, and results vary a lot depending on how well trained the human is, and it could be far less.

>>64921288
Anon meant that he can achieve 1/100 HP at top effort.

>>64921053
>as an Helsing employee
saw a presentation about your drones recently absolutely based stuff you guys are working on

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>>64920693
>what happened to the Lancet

Still being used, but component shortages and a constant need for upgrades means production can't be scaled up in any meaningful way

>>64921227
Huh were you the guy that I talked to about drone aerodynamics like a year+ ago? Neat if so. Hope you guys keep getting contracts, Europe needs rearmament and Ukraine needs more deep strike options.

>>64920862
Each control surface needs its own motor and gearbox, so the quadrotor design has fewer moving parts overall.

s>>64921329
and there's more to come
some pretty cool projects in development

>>64921349
>were you the guy that I talked to about drone aerodynamics like a year+ ago
uhhh
don't exactly remember
but I'm an oldfag and post from time to time, so entirely possible

>Hope you guys keep getting contracts,
we do and the Series D last year helped a lot as well
>Europe needs rearmament and Ukraine needs more deep strike options.
many new projects are in AI / Software though (palantir Gotham is still kinda unchallenged, for now...)

the hardware manufacturing part more or less came by necessity
and the bulk of resources still goes to combat cloud, ai reconnaissance and autonomously operating systems

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>>64920680
>deep in the rear

clench dem buttcheeks comrades

>>64921409
The End of History was a mistake, may those long term efforts of building up from the ground up hold out.
t. a burger (for joint Western civilization)

>>64921053
basado if certain

>>64920680
What happened to their domestic loitering lancet, the RAM-2X? Did they stop producing them or what? I feel like FP-2s are being used instead

>>64921449
Fun fact, Francis Fukuyama admits he was wrong and is a socialist now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc7O7qSBzM8

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>>64920693
>what happened to the Lancet?
1. Ukies made a ton of decoys so a ton of the drones got wasted on fake shit;
2. Ukies have aggressively started using inteceptor drones (not only against Lancest, but in general), so the efficiency of the platform got degraded even more;
It's still a thing, but there's a reason why there's so less footage these days.

>>64920873
Not necessarily cheaper or even technically more efficient, but it allows you to have a fucked up (in a good sense) level of control.

>>64921053
>also apparently there are already talks (office gossip) for tripling production
Based-based-based

>>64921466
>Did they stop producing them or what?
Yes, they are made and used. And new models of various type of drones are being developed. I'm waiting for those ukrainian mortar-equipped FPV drones to finally get to the frontline.

>>64921617
>I'm waiting for those ukrainian mortar-equipped FPV drones to finally get to the frontline.
Vampire bomber drones? They announced they are making 100,000 every year. They will eventually replace FPVs as they get cheaper (and because there are already not enough pilots for the 2,000,000+ drones Ukraine is making annually), and they are already significantly more common in war footage than they were last year. Baba yagas used to be relatively rare, but now I see them make strikes all the time. They can't do everything FPVs can, like moving targets, but being able to hit multiple targets in one sortie especially with all these meat waves is really useful

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>>64920838
>deep in the Russian rear

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>>64921096
Ich wünschte ich hätte irgendwas Informatik studiert. Bin nur ein beschissener SAP Consultant und mit wenig Chancen in der Verteidigungsindustrie an coolen Projekten mitzuwirken.

>>64921227
>it's far more likely that you're a coworker who wants to troll me
I'm not lol, but sounds like a based company to work for.

>>64921053
>as an Helsing employee

Kinda jelly, personally I have some aspirations in starting or joining a MIC company that specialized in UAVs.

As a balt it feels like moscovia will invade by the end of the decade and I feel like I should do something about it considering my background in physical science and cs coupled the autism for drones, but my current life situation would make getting a security clearance a pain in the ass kek.

Anyway what is the frontier for powerplants or batteries ? I assume that its the biggest limit factor for payload and range and also the sensors you can add on the drone. I know that micro turbojets are meme but they would enable some really funny stuff, like loitering brimstones.

What about meta/air batteries, they are shit but for one way batteries they seem like a good choice assuming sufficient cell voltages.

>>64920693
not many lancet targets around these days

>>64921471
>and is a socialist now.
Well he was already ridiculously wrong once, so why not a second time?

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>>64921663
>Vampire bomber drones?
Nah, the FPV drones. Regular ones are usually equipped with an RPG charge or some custom anti-personnel ones. This one has a fuckin' 120mm mortar charge inside kek.

>>64921814
>I have some aspirations in starting or joining a MIC company that specialized in UAVs.
Do it

>>64921053
>surpassing Yelabuga
the HX-2 is "we have lancet at home" not "we have geran at home" though

What can you say about this? https://militarnyi.com/en/news/welt-german-hx-2-drones-in-ukraine-prove-only-35-accurate/

>>64922059
Ruzzian propaganda, chud. OP's source is real.

>>64922059
it's not bad. the lancet does better (75 to 90% hit rate in real usage) but the hx-2 probably has teething issues seeing as it's a new product. also the sample size for the hx-2 is super low. with only 14 tests the confidence interval is massive

>Company called “Helsing” makes a bomb that uses a cross to fly to kill orcs
What

>>64922379
it's a knockoff lancet with "AI" (latest buzzword). doesn't work quite as well yet either

>>64922385
its a lot better than the lancet. the lancet is a pile of ineffective shit that no longer sees action.

>>64921814
>it feels like moscovia will invade by the end of the decade
sometimes we get to see videos or pics from inside Russian arms manufacturers
or get our hands on some internal documents (from some russian teenager who photographs them for a new iphone KEK)

and I am confident to say that Russia will not invade any time soon...

even the worst manufacturing plants I've seen in Germany in the last few year are still decades ahead of the "best" russian ones
and russian supply chain management is horrendous everywhere (sometimes the whole purchasing department is a single fucking person with telegram, wechat and an alibaba account)
i'm actually somewhat curious if civilian industries are any better there

>I assume that its the biggest limit factor for payload and range
actually a smaller issue than it might seem
if you reasonably can, you rather want the drones to start close to your target
and bigger payloads means more difficult to transport
also cost (somewhat secondary)

the biggest challenges are currently mostly communication and software
swarm tech is still in a very early stage, with maybe 3-5y until maturity
we can already mesh well and have a basic "collective intelligence" but it's not a universal model

>>64922024
>the HX-2 is "we have lancet at home" not "we have geran at home" though
functionally the same
at least in its current use
other than we actually hit the intended target every single time, don't just randomly crash and jamming does jack shit
(and with the exception of hitting civilian infrastructure kek)

also HX-2 is actually cheaper than Geran (every generation, except decoys) as well as all lancet generations

to
>Yelabuga
yeah only Geran manufacturing, but one Lancet supplier sits in the special economic zone there as well I think
actual lancet production is likely in italmas & stolitsa malls or kalashnikov facilities in Izhevsk
constantly disrupted though as Ukraine keeps hitting suppliers

>>64922394
>its a lot better than the lancet.
how so? so far it seems worse given that its hit probability is 2x lower

>>64922362
>lanclet cope
Ivan you are not even trying anymore.

>>64922385
>doesn't work quite as well yet either
you mean because a single US propaganda news article told you so?
literally a single fucking "rumor", referenced by other (((news)))
because the US wants to sell their own loitering munition...

Ukraine literally ordered more in January
and the Bundeswehr confirmed ~300million order just a few days ago

>>64921334

Recently, when /k/ was getting spammed with AI chinkslop, and one of the videos claimed to showcase drones engaging in squad drills, I recalled this video and laughed real hard.

>>64922664
literal fake news and the report doesn't exist in this format
US propaganda
lame try to boost US sales by scrutinizing the German competition

no one has stopped any orders, exactly the opposite, Ukraine ordered more

>>64921334
whoever edited this and got it to air on RT is a comedic genius
the hard cut to it puttering around with shit burning in the background is so good

>>64920862
>>64921351
It looks like the main wings and maybe the tail surfaces might be actuated though

>>64922599
>Russia wont invade any time soon
People said the same shit right before they invaded Ukraine, granted their motor and armor pool was actually sizable back then so they had reasons to be cocky.

>communications and software
I think that communications will always be the weak link, its simply very easy to EW drone systems that cant radiate harder than 1 kW due to the powerplants, hence my opinion about the power density of the powerplant or battery. And also the jammer will always have the physics advantage of simply raising the noise floor. EW is so effective that soldiers opt to sacrifice payload for fiber and turn their drone in to a spike missile from temu. I wonder if its possible to make a shitty mesh network from IR beacons to keep the drones that are getting EW'd somewhat connected to the rest of the swarm that is not jammed. Also having enough power to run a small terrain radar for navigation/targeting/directional communications would significantly improve its capabilities compared to optical systems, albeit at an order of magnitude bigger cost

>>64922699
no need to be mad, hans. 35% hit rate is still pretty effective

>>64920680
> Pathetic attempt to pump the stock price of your shitty company

Go away Hans, your million euro drones are no better than the Aliexpress contraptions soldered together by Ukrainians in their bedrooms.

>>64922822
>ITT, thirdies actually believe this

>>64920680
Finally

>>64921227
>also I heard Munich / Berlin is easier to get compared to the other offices (but don't know for sure)
Nta, but i sure hope so because i also consider applying there, for some low level entry shit though

>even people on the executive team know about /k/ (and 4chan in general)
Wouldn't surprise me, when i checked out the company some guys struck me as the "old guard" type, they were probably shitposting on BBS back in the day

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>>64920680
>strikes deep in the Russian rear

BUM
TOUCHING
CRESTS

>>64921227
>even people on the executive team know about /k/ (and 4chan in general)
A terrifying prospect
Also if any Helsing head honchos are reading this can you make a drone that has a Chlorine Trifluoride warhead? For medicinal purposes of course.

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>>64920680
and also
the technological advancements coming out are truly interesting

>>64923443
I'm designing a 5" drone right now, the range and payload will be much worse than the big 10" they have been using but it'll be fine for a few km against infantry.

>>64922362
>75 to 90% hit rate of khokhol decoys in real usage
fixed

>>64922656
The range is over 2x as long than Lancet. Also more nimble due to quad rotor design.

>>64922599
>I am confident to say that Russia will not invade any time soon...
Naive and retarded. Just because it doesn't make sense (from a sane western point of view), doesn't mean they won't do it. They did in fact invade Ukraine.

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KWAB!

>Germany is betting big on killer drones. In Ukraine, they couldn’t hit their targets.
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukrainian-battlefield-data-undercuts-germanys-big-drone-bet/

>Field data from deployments in Ukraine shows the drones performed far below expectations, successfully reaching their targets just one-third of the time, according to internal German defense ministry information seen by POLITICO. Most of the failures were attributed not to Russian countermeasures but to technical problems: unstable video transmission, limits in target acquisition and rigid sensor systems.

>>64921012
>Three years
you mean 12
They Pumped russia full of Money and Tech, Also sold Turbines into occupied Crimea

>>64923635
>The range is over 2x as long than Lancet.
compared to old ones, sure, but not anymore apparently
>Also more nimble due to quad rotor design.
why is it less likely to hit its target then? maybe because it's slower?

>>64923685
>why is it less likely to hit its target then?
Why do you think it's less likely to hit its target? Do you honestly believe the 90% numbers from russians? Ngmi

>>64921053
>Finally let krauts do something
>Take the rinky dink russians shed engineering and they actually make something assfucking aforementioned vatniks
I'm tired of this cognitive dissonance where Russia will roll right over us but at the same time is getting ass-raped by rinky dink as drowns which any SPAAG should be able to effortlessly tear from the sky.

>>64923693
there are thousands of lancet clips that show (roughly) 25% targets destroyed, 50% targets damaged, 10% targets missed, 15% unknown outcome (e.g. due to loss of signal). so about 75 percent of targets got hit (but maybe up to 90%)

>>64923706
SPAAGs were meant to counter helos and attack planes. drones are trickier since they are smaller and much more numerous

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>>64921774
Loser :)

>>64923716
>there are thousands of lancet clips that show (roughly) 25% targets destroyed
My brown friend, you operate on the assumption that russians publish all of the strikes, even the failed ones, which would be too retarded even for russians. Besides there aren't thousands of clips. And a sizable chuck of clips present actually show decoys being hit or the target not being hit, but trying to present that as being hit.

>>64923814
actually turns out it's like 25% destroyed, 45% damaged, 5% definitely missed and 25% unknown (let's call them missed). so 70% known to have hit in one way or another. (based on eyeballing the graph).

>>64920746
In the deep rear, yes

>linking loztarmour
>in 2026
Nigga please, it might have worked in 2014, but we all remember how they ran around with their ass on fire in 2022 banning people who posted russian losses or pointed out fake content on their platform.

>>64922995
>so-called nationalist parties in Europe
>cannot wait to sell out to foreign powers

>>64923817
70% accuracy for any munition is pretty good, especially one with displaced targeting like a loitering munition, a drone or an artillery shell. They say the average soldier expends hundreds of rounds of ammunition for each singular kill in the field.

>>64923846
>the videos are hosted on a website which is long known to ignore reality, censor shit and post fake footage, so I choose to be skeptical about anything linked there

>>64923814
>lostarmour
Notoriously unreliable site that lies intentionally in russia’s favour, that’s your source?

>muh thousands of recorded strikes
someone tell this nigger that his precious propaganda outfit was routinely caught posting fake and duplicated shit

>>64923910
>i’m going to ignore the “reality” of fucking lostarmour, a literal spite project because ziggers got angry at oryx showing the world their humiliation
Yes.
Unlike oryx, lostarmour makes absolutely zero effort to weed out anything and actively encourages making shit up.

>>64923849
>70% accuracy for any munition is pretty good
ZALA, the company behind lancet is actually one of the few decent ones in Russia
2 of the founding engineers are former DJI
and their pipeline surveillance surveillance stuff even gets exported quite a bit

there are barely any lancet launches today though
I think it's <100 per month production currently
afaik they got shit on by chinese AI hardware that didn't work with their tech stack and now are back to importing (sanctioned) western stuff in small quantities

also lancet is almost double the unit price/cost of an HX-2
that is, with worse sensors and hardware kek

>>64920680
What's the design philosophy here, biblically accurate angels?

>>64922385
Anon, the lancet also has "ai" aka optical terminal guidance

>>64924059
Have you seen it fail spectacularly on screen? Because we have

>>64924076
It's russian ai, anon.

>>64922059
>only 25% of HX-2 drones were able to launch
>an accuracy rate of only 35.7%
>0.25 * 0.357 = 0.08925
>8% success rate
The soviets really did rape all the IQ out of the German people, didn't they.

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>>64921900
that's fucking incredible

>>64921900
>120mm mortar charge
Does it have a proximity fuse?

>>64920873
i know nothing about anything but it allows for vertical takeoff, therefore launching without a launcher and allows for reuse of an unspent drone as you can just land it anywhere

>>64920680
>deep in the Russian rear.
haha foolish nafo
this is what we have been preparing for, camrades!
bless the chechens for immunizing our rears!

>>64923659
>politico

>>64924238
Who knows. Should it though?

>>64923381
>Can they make ClF3 warehead
No. No, Fucking Not.
-NASA with there infinite founding could not figure out CLF3/ClF5 storage.
-3rd Reich with extensive founding could not figure it out.
There are only a few materials that can withstand it in perfect condition.
Any disturbance will cause selfdestruction.

t. Chem. Bsc

>>64925698
>could not figure out CLF3/ClF5 storage
Why store it? Just dump it on the enemy. Or have it synthesize on the drone en route.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyweTl-Okl8

>>64921449
>The End of History was a mistake
It remains a noble goal.
We just aren't going to achieve it without some hard work and more violence than we'd like.

>>64925698
>t. Chem. Bsc
Boo! Boo I say for being a pussy…although as a lighter, more gentle alternative why not Hydrazine incendiary warheads?

>>64924294
Spraying the target(s) with shrapnel from ~3m away is better than risking a miss.

>>64924076
What do you mean? I don't believe for a moment the lancer would be in any way superior to something European that is built years later

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>>64921053
Based kraut

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>>64920680
They just need better training in Russia
Learn to dodge, if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a drone!

>>64921053
Why are you insanely happy? Do you know what you are doing?
>inb4 just doing my job

>>64925698
>>64923381
>>64928465
unironically why the fuck would you ever want to mess with anything fluorine related anyway?

>>64928465
>why not Hydrazine
Too expensive?

>>64930813
>unironically why the fuck would you ever want to mess with anything fluorine related anyway?
Well... if you really want to min-max your rocket engine, you could burn it with molten lithium and hydrogen and get the highest specific impulse ever achieved. You'll most likely to win the local testsite's health hazard bingo along the way, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX-0Xw6kkrc

>>64930813
Because it’s funny

>>64929496
I would. Russia is unironically ahead of western europe in AI tech. my guess is that it's because russia is less connected to the USA so it doesn't suffer as much from the USA stealing its engineers and then driving its local companies out of business

>>64925698
>founding

No wonder you retards can't manage it.

>>64932299
My dude, russia suffers from brain drain way more than europe, and IT is one of the branches hit the worst by it.
These days you cannot throw a stone in Belgrade without hitting some russian IT professional that moved there after the shit show started

>>64932299
>Russia is unironically ahead of western europe in AI tech
You are delusional.

>>64933508
afaik there are no western European analogues to Yandex, which has built working auto-taxis, food courier robots, etc. There are American ones though, for example Waymo taxis.

>>64933689
Volkswagen and verne are both making autonomous taxi's/buses rather than cars.
Which imo makes far more sense than more cars on the road for highly conjested cities like in europe.

>>64933689
Russia has no analogues to 99% of European companies.
>Yandex
Is made to collect user data and funnel it to FSB. Why would Europe want this shit?

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>>64932299
Nigga what. Fucking Malaysia and Saudi Arabia rank higher in AI

>>64933700
>making
have they made anything yet? and are they doing the self-driving part themselves or buying it from an American firm?
>>64933705
I am quite sure that Russia has no analogue of Ferrarri, Gucci, or that one artisanal butter company in France. but those are companies in an entirely different field
>>64933724
1.tech /= AI.
2. Saudi Arabia has actually invested quite heavily in AI research, as in, they've thrown huge sums of money at AI researchers to move to Dubai. idk if they have anything to show for it though
3. the Stanford study CNN bases its results off of which countries have the most vibecoded apps and the most pajeets shitting up my linkedin feed with AI-generated posts about vibecoding. who gives a shit

>>64933705
>>Yandex
>Is made to collect user data
europe, especially the UK, is very interested in developing this sort of tech.

>>64933774
Ignorance must be bliss

>>64933774
kys brownie/vatnik retard