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/gq/ Infographic Emporium:
https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6
Legacy Infographic Reserve: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF

>Last time on /gq/, RMA became the lolcow of armor and discontinued the XRT. Gilliam released lame-ass ICW plates. A2 did battle with Anon on whether dump pouches are ass.

>QUICK ARMOR GUIDE 2.165
CODE: * = active NIJ-cert, ^ = NEEDS SOFT ARMOR, DND = do not drop, ** = military.
>Special Rifle Threat (M855A1, no M80 <44mm BFD):
Budget: Hesco T212 or L211
Mid-Range: Hesco M210
High-End: Hesco U210 / U211, LSAPI**, or Tencate CR-6450SA.
>CONUS Minimum (M80, M855, M193):
Budget: Expired Hesco 3611C, surp SAPI**^, or Gilliam 6001
Mid-Range: Hesco 3612* or 3810*
High-End: Hesco 3811* or 3811LV^DND
Elite: Used Cercom CER-EMH**^
>CONUS Medium (M80 + M855A1 or BZ API):
Budget: Used Protech 2120-5
Mid-Range: Hesco 3411* or LTC 19513
High-End: LTC 28780**
Elite: VelSys PBZSA** or LTC 28791** or Hesco SC3812
Elite-Plus: Used Ceradyne MH3 CQB**^DND (10x M995) or used Cercom CER-SOPS**^
>CONUS Optimal (M855A1 + M80A1):
Budget: Highcom 3S9 (SAPI-cut)
Mid-Range: Used LTC 28550** / 28590** or Highcom 3S9M* (SAPI-cut!)
High-End: Used LTC 28595**
Elite: Used LTC 28570** or VelSys TSA**
Elite-Plus: Tyr XHA4/S6/T(DND) or GEN 6 LTC TSA**
>Level IV / CONUS High (.30-06 M2AP):
/pfg/: Used Protech 2014G or Gilliam 1023
Budget: Hesco 4403* (bare minimum)
Mid-Range: Hesco 4601* (+ Level III) or surp ESAPI**^ (REV. G-J preferable, adds M995 / 3x M2AP vs 1x)
High-End: Hesco 4800(DND), 4800LV^DND, or Protech 9812-R1(DND)
Elite: Tencate CXP-800 SA or Ceradyne SOF ESAPI MK.II**^DND
Elite-Plus: Ceradyne SAEC**DND(??)
>Level IV+ / CONUS Extreme (Various)
Budget: Protech 2230 (fast M2AP, $300/set used)
Budget-Tungsten: Gilliam 8002 (.300 Winmag Swiss P AP)
Mid-Range: Adept Colossus (7.62x51 Swiss P) or REV. C XSAPI**^ (M993)
High-End: Rev. D XSAPI**^ (M993+)
Elite: ECSAPI** (M993)
Elite-Plus: Ceradyne 96034** (7.62x51 Swiss P)

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Well in terms of new shit, Adept Armor wrote an article about combat drugs.
https://www.ade.pt/chemical-endurance-the-pharmacology-of-russian-military-stimulant-programs/

>>65046593
Will give this a read in the morning. I need mysterious Russian chems to finally quit nicotine.

>>65046593
>no free lunch
We have an insider at adept it seems.

>Just talked to them. They said the XRTs were a limited run and they have no plans to sell them again.
RMA XRT is apparently no more. Now RMA has... nuffin?

>>65046837
The 1165 I guess? Hard times at RMA rn.

>>65046435
Op pic is bad ass.
>>65046593
Drugs are bad, mmmkay?
>>65046802
>quit nicotine.
Good luck, anon. Next alcohol, caffine and swearing. Happy Easter!

>>65048103
HE IS RISEN

>>65048103
Thanks. Was going for a Scarface vibe with this one.
>>65047904
Not even. No drop pro (RMA literally prohibited Buffman from ANY drop testing - if it's that weak then it has a "mailman problem") and the 10x12 is badly undersized with bottom corner cutouts. It gets jacked up by the Militech RF3 Black and on paper the Longfri 4SiCMH. China vs RMA unfortunately favors China, because RMA has said and pulled so much sleazy shit over the years Militech is frankly more reputable. Even Buff prefers Militech plates and he's a huge RMA stan.
Militech, Longfri, and RMA have an equal number of currently 0101.06-certified ceramics. Zero.
The 1165 and new 1155 are what I would call "noob trap" plates. Ditto for the ESRT, Highcom 3S9M in 10x12, 4SAS4, 4S16, and RSTP. One only buys the noob traps if they're a noob and don't know the "tricks" manufacturers pull to make shit seem lighter. Unfortunately an anon or two has been burned by the 1165 because they didn't know how to work areal density and figure the plate has no drop pro.

>>65048185
Christ is king.

>>65048185
>>65048232
>God bless us, everyone!", Tiny Tim
Have a Blessed day, bunny men.

>>65048268
May your day be blessed and your armor drop protected and not steel.

>>65045425
Do yourself a favor and to the VERY end of this fuckers ANNOYING voice to the summary. ChillGo carted @$24/ea.

Update on the hydration infographic, it got corrupted so I'm gonna have to redo it.

>>65048103
Happy Easter! I will never return to church, but this does not stop me from celebrating Christ.

>>65048329
Nice. Thank you level 99 chinamaxxer.

>>65048329
Don't you dare talk shit about the farmer, he's a gift.

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I see news of the Ceradyne SAEC plates has reached reddit. The top answer is that they are made by Ceradyne.

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>>65048364
I always try to catch a good Bible movie. Alternates being Jesus Christ Superstar, The Passion, and Godspell. Anthony Quinn surprised me in Barabbas. And Harvey Kaitel had a very interesting portrayal of Judas in The Last Temptation of Christ. The Ten Commandments is a great movie, if you can sit for 3+hrs. A great sea battle. 2yrs ago I was at a service where the Bishop (yes, Bishop) said his more unsusual question ever was "How much do you love God?". His answer was, "Not as much as I should, and not as much as He loves me." Theme: https://youtu.be/yFsnptQEWvM?si=cm1wRGgbgBNc7fyq

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>>65048418
Here's the summary of what's "known" about the SAEC so far, for anyone curious.
1. It's a super-high-end Ceradyne made ostensibly for DEVGRU and 24th STS around 2009-2013.
2. It weighs four pounds for a 10x12 swimmer (ergo 4.2lb SAPI M). It is standalone and does not require soft armor.
3. It is concealable, so under 0.75" thick. Drop protection is probably sketchy. Also, because it's a late-period Ceradyne there is a possible delamination concern.
4. The ebay seller decided to complete the transaction off-ebay with some dude for five thousand dollars (pair). Kinda shady IMO but ok I guess since these are hot as hell.
5. The blurred part of the label is actually sanitized. "NSN" is XXXX-XX-XXX-XXXX. This is very alarming because even Ceradyne plates made for Delta (96034) and ordinary SOCOM plates have NSNs.
6. The rating is hotly debated. Going off the capabilities of other high-end Ceradynes, the language on the back (enhanced concealable), and the existence of an Enhanced Concealable SAPI which provides ESAPI performance but in a concealable thickness (hint!) this is an extreme featherweight quasi-Level IV plate. at 4lb 10x12 Swimmer, it is the lightest Level IV of all time aside from experimental Boron Suboxide or Polycrystalline Diamond models.

>>65048098
Do not redeem the $1,000 digital NV.

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Last piece of armor autism for the day, the Chinese are working on a new armor ceramic. AlMgB14, aka Aluminum Magnesium Boride. They're probably 20 years out from actually being able to make plates with the shit, but the specs so far are extremely promising. Areal density is directly comparable to Boron Carbide but it should put on a much better show versus tungsten threats by virtue of higher hardness and fracture toughness.
Notably, just as they've doped Silicon Carbide with Titanium Diboride and Boron Carbide with the same, there's talk of doping AlMgB14 with TiB2 to massively improve hardness up to 43GPa. For reference, the Adept Colossus' SiC-TiB2 hybrid ceramic has a GPa value of ~25.49 or 2600 HV1.
This is super rough napkin math and is probably above my autism level, but a 7N37-rated AlMgB14-TiB2 / Dyneema HB212 plate seems feasible enough at about 5-5.5lb. That's VERY far future stuff however. Would be interesting to see if that shows up in an XSAPI GEN-VII or whatever.

You end your armor autism for the day; mine begins. Going to delve back into uhmwpe plates. Supposedly there’s an outfit making flexible plates.

>>65048103
not that anon but
>Next alcohol
no
>caffeine
absolutely not
>and swearing.
fuck you
>Happy Easter!
Happy Easter

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>>65046285
that might even fit in a normal buttpack, minus the food. you'd need a smaller drybag too. dunno how well the atom packs.
the FILBE drybag is a bit oversized for the nixieworks which is part of why it was hard to fit it in.
i would recommend putting the drybag in empty first, then putting your stuff in the drybag after it's already in the buttpack.
the FILBE bag fits in the haversack perfectly by comparison. a bit tight but not oversized. pic for reference.
hard to convey visually, but the haversack is wider and thinner front to back.

>>65048803
Without using a ceramic layer? That's new. If it's using flexible Dyneema SB rather than non-flexible HB layers, for example, then it should be pretty thick and heavy.
>one more autism
Also, as a final caveat to the AlMgB14 saga, CoorsTek experimented with it and B6O boron suboxide as early as 2016, about nine years before the above Chinese paper. ARL decided to go with B6O over AlMgB14, but rumor has it they discontinued work after determining B6O has the same amorphization failure when faced with tungsten core penetrators as B4C. I don't think AlMgB14 has the same weakness, but if it's the same areal density as B4C but costs a shitload more, it doesn't jive with ARL's focus on reducing armor weight even at the expense of protection, as seen with the VTP program. As for B6O, a 3.5lb or whatever ESAPI is cool and all, but if it can't stop M995 like a SiC-B4C hybrid REV. G-J through GEN IV can, it won't meet current requirements. ESAPI GEN-IV cost is about $900 a plate. Ditto for LSAPI. They won't triple that either for a mass-produced plate, to switch SiC-B4C for AlMgB14, when weight savings can be more readily attained by further R&D into advanced UHMWPE or maybe another try at M5 Fiber. The Chinese have allegedly UV-stabilized Zylon, by the way, so that's sorta back after twenty years.

>>65048103
No caffeine is hell. Whoever invented no caffeine is a faggot.

>>65046593
company blogs are so weird. maybe a dozen people actually read them.

>>65048888
>CHECK EM
I'll give Jake Ganor some credit, his armor autism is elite but I have no idea where the combat drug thing came from. Is he going to turn Adept into a pharmaceutical company? Are they gonna make nine-pound plates that stop .50 cal AP (which they have...) and then supply you with the necessary drugs to not feel fatigued after wearing them for six hours?
And Russians? Why? I did say to Rusanon months ago it made little sense the new 7N37-rated turbo granits used doped Alumina when they could hit up their buddy China and buy SiC-TiB2 on the cheap from Shandong Yasai or another firm. Same fundamental ceramic Adept uses for the Archon / Colossus / Gilliam 9969 / Stealth Dragonskin.
Maybe Russia can't afford the SiC-TiB2.

>>65048883
>he can't stop caffeine at any time
I bet you're one of those pussies who """needs""" caffeine instead of casually uses it as the PED God intended it as.
You have weak genetics and should not reproduce.

caffeine infographic status

>>65048916
I haven't had caffeine in a month, cunt.

>>65048916
>>65048948
Chill fools. Settle this by exchanging your white monsters and drinking the delicious savory syrup.

>>65048103
Jesus Christ is Lord! He is Risen!
Read Isaiah 53 my friends, and realize this was written far before the time of Jesus

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>>65048916
>>65048932
>>65048948
It all comes down to "is coffee good for you?", and how does it affect your aiming?

>>65048970
damn i remember seeing this in fake halo 4 trailers from 2009. Them the 009 sound system tiddies.

>>65048803
I've got an Armor Autism topic that is going to transform this entire thread.
What the FUCK happened with the Hesco 3801?
> https://www.verrettstactical.com/products/hesco-level-iii-3801-armor-multi-curve
Weighs 1.6 pounds, standalone. 1.3 pounds for the ICW "LV" version.
Just about nobody has them in stock.
Instead, everybody has the 3802:
> https://midwestarmor.com/products/hesco-3802lv-level-iii-icw-multi-curve-plate-set/
This is 2.4 pounds for the standalone version, 2.2 pounds for the "LV".
3801 --> 3802 is the biggest downgrade I've ever seen. WTF happened bros? Did the 3801 fail in secret, or did the material supply chain break down?

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>>65048978
>>65048959
Christ is Lord. Hit the music and remember the old times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKfS5zVfGBc

>>65049055
Make your own thread then.

>>65049055
>What the FUCK happened with the Hesco 3801?
Hesco most likely did the thing where they didn't build the plate with enough headroom to reliably pass NIJ 0101.06's full requirements, including conditioning. See how the 3800 and 3802C are on the NIJ CPL but not the 3801.
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/equipment-and-technology/body-armor/ballistic-resistant-armor
>Just about nobody has them in stock.
Hesco sometimes does this dumb thing where they give certain vendors exclusive models. T-rex has the T212, Agilite briefly had the 4801, Prime has the 3814 and 3812P, Verretts has the 3801, 3811, 3801LV, 3811LV. Tac-11 has the SC3812 and SC3812B aka FXR-Bravo.
>3801 --> 3802 is the biggest downgrade I've ever seen. WTF happened bros? Did the 3801 fail in secret, or did the material supply chain break down?
Note that the Hesco 3811, the 3801's big brother, is on the NIJ CPL. My theory is that the NIJ 3801 is actually only built to NIJ 0101.07 RF1, not 0101.06 Level III, and the weight reduction stems from the 7.62x51mm M80 multi-hit being three shots instead of six. Hesco then realized the NIJ moves like a turtle and made the 3802 which is full 0101.06 spec.

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>>65049067
/gq/ is the right place.

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>65049088
>NIJ 3801
*Hesco 3801, lol. That's a typo.
>>65049067
He will not. /gq/ is now armor autism central and has been since 2022.

>>65049088
But it literally says "Level III Rating" rather than RF1 or anything else? If that's true, why not call it RF1 and just keep selling it?

>>65049101
>>65049103
>My topic will take over the thread but I refuse to make my own thread
That's not how this works you newfags.

>>65049117
You are the newfag. The claim was obviously hyperbolic, and (you) are the one shitting up the thread with your seething.

>>65049107
>But it literally says "Level III Rating"
Armor vendors make mistakes when selling their armor all the time. Remember when Highcom said the 4SAS4 was NIJ 0101.06 compliant but it was really an 0101.04 plate? Veretts also cannot decide if the 3801LV is 0.61" or 0.38" thick (I suspect there's two 3801LVs like there are two 4800LVs but I dunno which one Verretts is actually selling). Hesco themselves cannot do math with the 3811. The 3.4lb 10x12 3811 and 3.6lb SAPI M 3811 are both 1.6kg.
>If that's true, why not call it RF1 and just keep selling it?
Verretts has the exclusive on the 3801 / 3811. You can buy them right now, just only from them.
Worth noting that the NIJ 0101.07 CPL is in fact active and there are plates listed on it (possibly including the 3801) but it is a controlled document until the NIJ feels there are enough models on it. The NIJ's plan is to simultaneously maintain 0101.06 and 0101.07 for the next several years, so expect this III vs RF1 debate to go on for some time.
>>65049117
Chief this has been armor autism central for years now.

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>>65049107
Also, while Verretts has a threat matrix showing 6x 7.62x51mm M80 that looks like your standard Hesco table, it's apparently not from Hesco's website since the 3801 isn't even on it, so I'm unsure as to the veracity of the table.
The fundamental issue is that the 3801 is NOT 0101.06 certified, and because the same-price 3802 is certified, it impliedly seems the 3801 does not reliably pass the 0101.06 Level III protocol in the same way the 4800 doesn't. Works fine fresh, but if conditioned then things get dicey.

>>65049138
>no u
The thread is already half of this shit. Stop ruining every fucking thread.

>>65049155
The 3801LV seems like a very interesting plate but I'm suspicious about its performance. Seems like it may not measure up.

>>65049178
M193 at 3150fps? Weird.

>he doesn't know about the /bag/ purge

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>>65049182
Homes if you wanna talk about JPC 1.0 vs 2.0 all day you can take it to reddit where you belong.

Is the 509T a good optic for shotguns?

>>65049182
Let's discuss something else. What are your thoughts on the Spiritus LV-120?

>>65049202
>asking a question about optics in shitty armor general

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>>65049190
Great catch. The NIJ RF1 spec is 3,250ft/s, so that's 100ft/s slow. 130ft/s slow actually given that's max velocity and NIJ RF1 has a 30ft/s range.
Per pic related, if Hesco says the plate has a max velocity, you DO NOT exceed that velocity even by a smidge. 20ft/s can literally be the difference between life and death. This makes me think the 3801 is some kind of "transitional" model between 0101.06 and 0101.07 then. When 0101.07 hits we'll probably get a 3803.
>Hesco has no headroom
>>65049184
The problem with Hesco's LV plates is that there are three possible configurations and nobody tells you which is which.
1. Same as the standalone plate, but the drop protection is removed to make it thinner.
2. Same as above, but the foam layers in the back / the backer itself are thinned to save weight and reduce thickness, increasing BFD. This is the soft-ICW version. They need IIIA soft armor (which IIIA...) to get under 44mm.
3. Same as above, but the backer is thinned even further and you NEED IIIA (which IIIA...) to actually stop the rounds! This is the "hard-ICW" flavor.
>>65049193
Yeah there's a reason why /bag/ is gone. Fedfest central.

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>>65049202
I run a 1998 Bushnell Holosight (eotech) on my shotty. 509T seems small.
>>65049204

>>65049207
Sorry anon I’ll commit sudoku after I get an answer.

>>65049224
There are people who run pistol sights on their shotguns. It should be fine.

>>65049224
but you got an answer. Maybe a 503?

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The fucking Chinese... they made a JPC 3.0. It's over...

>>65049243
Damn they made the 3.0? Crye are slipping.

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>>65049282
Yeah man it's the JPC-R. Must not be very good because I've never seen A2 talk about it. Yet with this invention, Fate has, in a single stroke, marked the end of the Western consumer machine and marked the beginning of a more equitable, more affordable future under the Affordable Dragon of the East.

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>>65049243
Fuck it. I'm in. Also, the 'Becoming Led Zeppelin' Netflix special was pretty awesome. Awaay better than the Red Hot Chili Peppers rockumentary.

>>65049300
Roger. Learning Mandolin now. Awaiting state assigned chinko kinko femspy wife.

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>>65049309
Xi wins again by doing nothing. Sad!

>>65049320
That's unironically an extremely good look. Based warlord tier, as befits a master of the "winning without fighting" art.

>>65049320
Fortunately for the western world it's not called Led Xipellin. They will never understand Stairway to Heaven behind The Wall. Much less "Which one's Pink"?

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>>65049333
>tfw it is not led xipellin and ur country can't master boron carbide
One day, the Chinese Dragon will forge the mightiest blade out of AlMgB14-TiB2 and use it to cut off NATO's balls in a single stroke. Like hit Chinese future colony anime "Berserk", the blade will swing from the heavens and cleave off the guilty, greedy American cock. Or something like that. Anyways, with the way things are going we'll all be running Chinese armor in five years.
>>65049329
You want it? Its yours my friend, as long as you have Aliexpress.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809682841789.html?

>>65049329
>master of the "winning without fighting" art.
No matter haw fast you are, Bruce Lee, how fit you are, Jack Lelane, or how positive an influence you are on children, Chuck Norris, you WILL DIE. Xi and Putin fear this, because they do not accept Our Savior.

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>>65049329
Example 2

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>>65049347
amen

>>65049305
oh my god that literal faggot. pretty sure he's in prison now lmao

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>>65049363
Pretty sure?
I guess those RMA 1093s of his couldn't stop a life sentence. He's still up for the death penalty on fed charges I think.

>>65049378
i was thinking of the literal faggot from arizona. he was one of the people arrested for having prior knowledge of the shooter's plan and not reporting it to the feds afaik

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>>65049394
Ah. I dipped from PL a week after VB did so I'm rusty on what happened between then and that guy's shittery.
Also this dude's taste in armor was terrible.
>MILITECH BAD GUYS, IT'S CHINESE
>BUY RMA INSTEAD

>>65049378
Is this the one Bondi was fired for opposing Trump's pardon?

>>65049421
He's actually been broken out of prison and is assaulting the strait of hormuz as we speak. I don't know exactly what he's attacking, he's just chasing after some stray dogs with his pants down.

>>65049417
i was thinking of that guy who posted his face all the time who had long hair and wore all black gear and fucked men.

>>65049459
Average /ak/ poster

>>65049460
he was also obsessed with ballistic shields for some reason.

>>65049459
bitterbatter?

>>65049463
Well to be fair ballistic shields are based and also, because of dogfucker, the only legal option for dudes behind enemy lines in NY.

>>65049465
name sounds familiar. only other users i remember are berl, bateman, and (((sandman)))

>>65049473
Yeah, when the shield obsession was brought up I'm like 99% sure that's dadbitterbatter. He was one of berl's mods I think.

>>65049473
>sandman
Ah yes the retired FBI agent that groomed the shooter with "dad advice" and then rode off in the wind with no consequences.
But let's go after the armor company that just sold some dude a pair of plates. I don't like RMA but good lord they don't deserve that.

>>65049488
you know what they say: once intel, always intel.

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This is gear related. Why are USAF Pararescue bringing toothpaste with them into battle? No matter what happens, you're not going to be camping out there for long. Just bring a toothpick or something, lol.

>>65049501
He was of the LTC 28601 persuasion.
>>65049533
Quality of life? Toothaches suck.

>>65046435
Anyone have a good resource on camo based on area? I'm in South Rockies. Thinking a marpat top and some desert bottom would work well with the evergreens and copious dead pine needles on the forest floor.

Do the women in your life approve of this gear habit?

>>65049962
>Women
???

I GOT NO MONEY

>>65049962
women hate me

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>>65049926
These are admittedly kind of stupid. There's really no reason to separate something like M05 from Multicam Tropic, as they're basically intended for the same environment (green woods in late spring/summer or tropical environments)
A better map would be simplified

>>65050095
>alpenflage during fall
Only for a very small amount of time. This map needs to be revised.

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>>65050087
When you do find your woman, men, remember the booba plates. This is probably a hot take, but I don't think most women actually need these unless they're built like Francie Chapman.

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Alright, which one of you fucks bought this? I demand a review immediately.

>>65049962
She has no say and no money, so a non-issue.

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>>65050333
Checked and A2Pimp approved.

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>>65044679
Elastic no-tie laces installed over 2 coats of Obenauf's. We're going to see is my TLC keeps my feet from appearing on... The Weakest Link. Literally killing me by COB last week. Don't tell anybody I switched out the Reebok insoles for (nonconductive) Superfeets... I will test them tomorrow first thing and switch back if they fail.

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>>65050300
Son of a bitch, whoever bought this made off like a bandit. You need CREDENTIALS to purchase this Protech ladder. That's... unequal!

>>65050381
Fuck it, surely there is a packable Ti mountaineering ladder for that or less? Let's not over focus, this has all been done before, and black spray paint is cheap. On a brighter note, I excavated my old ninja grappling hook from the basement this weekend. Oh, to be young again...

>>65050407
It needs to be 14 feet when fully extended and be capable of supporting at least 350lb. I checked Harbor Freight and the 14-footers there only support 250lb (it's harbor freight so I dunno...). I'd need to do more homework from better dealers. I know some hobos use telescoping ladders stolen from Home Depot so they can catch z's and stash shit on rooftops away from the prying hands of other hobos.
>I excavated my old ninja grappling hook from the basement this weekend.
Now that's based. Gonna nathan drake around the battlefield?

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>>65050381
looks less convenient than this

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>>65050431
Well shit, I know what I'm putting on the fourth Chinese infographic. So the Protech ladder is $4,800 for a 14ft but this is $180 for a 20ft and they both support at least 330lb.
I think Safariland is fucking the cops in the ass here.

>>65050358
you can trim the elastic to fit, you dont need more than an extra inch or 2

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Is there a particularly smart way to add either a paracord loop or small monkey fist to the somewhat small pull tabs on these tourniquet pouches I bought?

I'm leaning towards a small monkey fist so I could just grab the entire ball and rip the pouch open rather than fiddle for trying to finger a loop

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Philly trash sniper could use one of those ladders.

14#, 350# cap, carbon fiber, comes with back pack strapes, ask for quote.
https://atlasdevices.com/collections/ladders/products/lol-15-s-anaconda-s

>>65050471
I skipped a lacing hole above the ankle and may want to add it. Already trimmed once, but thx.

>>65050503
>https://atlasdevices.com/collections/ladders/products/lol-15-s-anaconda-s
Only 14lb? Damn, that's fantastic, but it just exudes expensive.

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>>65050479

>>65050514
>it just exudes expensive
Me spending your money is my superpower. I may run democrate next ticket.

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>>65050520
I see you have Aliexpress Jade Member Status.

>>65050535
I would literally walk into Trump Plaza barking orders and telling the bell hops
>take good care of my boys!
wearing a fur collared cloak, if I had one.

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>>65050547
I have one, it's fantastic. Go buy it. Ninety bucks.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809682841789.html

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>>65050552
>Ninety bucks
>may shed hair
Could be worse
>$53
Oh.

>>65048467
>Boron suboxide or polycrystalline diamond

I like your funny words, magic man

>>65050576
Ah, you get a first time buyer discount if your aliex account is fresh. Now you know what must be done. For uh, obscuring your thermal signature.

>>65050598
In the year 2077, what makes someone a criminal?
Dropping boron suboxide Hesco 4805s.

>>65050602
I think I like the Arctic Blur and endangered Snow Leopard collar color way. I wonder if I should run a poll on /cgl/ and see what the 40yo plump lollies think?

>>65050614
Ask the seller for a custom. tiger stripe cloak black collar.

>>65050614
But yeah, run the poll. The more cloaked rizzlers the better.

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>>65050639
>he remembered

>>65050746
Of course! With Aliexpress, we can all put on our cloaks and wizard hats!
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256811722511073.html

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not a /k/ regular, but methinks this question fits here.
I'm a reservist in [insert euro country] and recently got issued the new plate carrier with PALS. the strap on the back is very short, so I'd need a longer drag strap strap to make pulling me less of a pain in the ass.
I plan on using 25mm tubular nylon and a screw-locked carabiner for attaching to the belt to make my own. anything else to consider? there's enough opportunity to try out what works best on exercise soon

>>65051249
Drag straps aren't really necessary unless your command says they are. Since they issued you a carrier with a short strap, you should just leave it as-is. Otherwise you're adding weight and complexity to your carrier for no good reason.

>>65051331
>unless your command says they are
my command also doesn't order me to put a dump pouch or whatever else on my kit. a little self-initiative can't hurt
>you're adding weight and complexity
it's barely any weight. and the carabiner can just be taken off in those cases.
the only pouches I put on the carrier anyway thus far are mag pouches in the front and the bladder pouch on the back. the rest goes on the belt
>for no good reason.
I think the added utility of it being easier on my buddies is a good reason

Is there a point to a tactical yoyo? I think ninja stars on a string is a bad idea.

>>65051479
Which cool gear brand sells a tactical yoyo? Spiritus? Gilliam? Spanker? Beez? One of those, for sure, right?
Is it made of Tegris?

>>65049193
I wish we could purge /bag/ from /gq/

>>65049394
>not reporting it to the feds
why would you report their own plan back to them?

>>65051249
>attaching to the belt
like the belt below your carrier? or the cummerbund?
if you attach it to your waist belt it's going to be a weird snag point between it and the carrier
if you have full pals coverage on the back of your PC that should be enough, just make sure to weave the webbing into it in a way that doesn't put all the strain on 1 or 2 loops

>>65051703
Then we would just turn into chinese /r/tacticalgear. Like it or not, the armor discussion here keeps /gq/ afloat and is very strong. We've had this discussion ten times at this point. Smaller generals absorbed by /gq/ cannot sustain themselves on their own. Even in its prime /bag/ was slow as hell because everyone fucked off to a fed-infested discord.
>>65051709
>Hi yes fbi sir a man is going to shoot up a supermarket so he can get body armor banned and somehow accelerate societal collapse or some shit.
>we know
>>65051628
Only China could come up with such weaponry.

>>65051728
>like the belt below your carrier? or the cummerbund?
I had intended to attach it to the pants belt
>if you have full pals coverage on the back of your PC that should be enough, just make sure to weave the webbing into it in a way that doesn't put all the strain on 1 or 2 loops
yeah, it's got full coverage. alright, will hold off on buying a carabiner and try it out this way first then. thx

>>65050358
>Don't tell anybody I switched out the Reebok insoles for (nonconductive) Superfeets... I will test them tomorrow first thing and switch back if they fail.
Superfeet insoles NOT conductive, switched back. Protip, you want your ESD conductive shoes to actually ground you to reduce the static build up on the human body model. Don't replace insoles on conductive footwear if you're working with energetics! (explosives)

Whats with all the chink slop in here

>>65051703
dunno how many people remember but the shooting happened the day after sandman was accused of being a fed

>>65051249
That will work. I did something similar in the fire dept and I carry the same thing on my PC. You can make a makeshift harness with it or just loop it thru the shoulder straps if there isn't enough time for that.
https://youtu.be/K4WCXInIZ7M

>>65051987
He was accused of being a fed like years prior, lol. I think Someonewhoknew (one of the old guard dudes) actually had his dd214 from when he served in the Army prior to the FBI.
Dogfuck Mccoy had the date pre-selected IIRC, so it's not like "Saint Sandman" had him start it early to act as a diversion.
>>65051984
Chinesium is selectively based.

>>65052007
i remember that username. was that the guy with the npc basedjak profile pic?

>>65051984
modern scam based economy is hard for the working man

>>65051987
I lived in Buffalo at the time, kid drove 3 hours to be within walking distance of a regional FBI office
was very convenient for them

>>65051734
>We've had this discussion ten times at this point
Indicating that we really don't like you faggots shitting up the place.

>>65052018
It was a penguin I think.
>>65052047
>we
It's just you pal, and from what I can tell only when we talk shop about RMA's various issues, interestingly enough.

>>65052051
>It's just you pal
I am not >>65051703 and also I don't give a shit if you talk bad about RMA or not. I have Hescos last I checked.

>>65052005
that L drag and harness are a great idea. I'mma do what that firewoman did and carry a ~20ft/6m roll in my pockets on exercise - as well as try those techniques out on some guinea pigs when there's time. useful as you don't always have a stretcher.
good thing I ordered enough nylon to make straps for 10 plate carriers and still have some left over :D

>>65052051
I am >>65051703
and I see the benefits of having an armor autist in the thread to answer questions but the essays you write on literally who plate manufacturers or any unique/unobtanium plate you see posted on eBay/tac swap/reddit bring this thread to a crawl and as far as I can see you are just posting it for yourself
new friends need to be guided away from RMA and toward trusted plates but many of your posts are just information overload geared towards plate collectors, if that's a thing

>>65052081
Interesting, since there was barely a peep when Neetmaster and I actually waged a 400 post, two-thread debate on whether the Hesco 4403 was shit or not. Suddenly, talk about RMA's crap and suddenly the armor talk is shitting up the thread.
I get correlation =/= causation, but considering RMA literally pays a dude full time to run defense on internet forums, and this is the only place that successfully beat that guy off, you have to understand my hesitation.
>I have Hescls last I checked.
Last you checked? I mean my Protech 2230s have been 2230s for a while now. Would be nice if they evolved into 2240s...
>>65052154
>and as far as I can see you are just posting it for yourself
There's several armor anons. Myself, neetmaster, baganon, rusanon, philly trash sniper. I'm also compiling the effortposts so I can stick them in the infograph reserve for later reference, so, you know, they don't have to be retyped every time. I have a plan here.
>bring this thread to a crawl
We're literally moving at /arg/ pace. It's fast as hell because of the armor talk. This thread was dead until baganon and I redid the old guide.
>the essays you write on literally who plate manufacturers or any unique/unobtanium plate you see posted on eBay/tac swap/reddit bring this thread
Which literally nobody else but us is properly addressing. Go to reddit, ask about the Ceradyne SAEC. They and I quote will bitch you blurred the logo and just say it's a Ceradyne. We actually calculate specs off of known values and areal densities.
>new friends need to be guided away from RMA and toward trusted plates
How do we define trusted without debate on the topic? Hesco ain't clean either, sorry other dude.
>geared towards plate collectors, if that's a thing
They are. They made up much of /bag/ years ago, in fact.

>>65052206
>there was barely a peep when Neetmaster and I actually waged a 400 post, two-thread debate on whether the Hesco 4403 was shit or not.
that's because the threads were unbearable and I checked out, there probably wasn't much of a peep from any one in those threads

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>>65052245
You should check out of this one, too, faggot. It's comically retarded how you show up to do nothing but complain. You realize you're free to post about whatever gear-related stuff you want to discuss, right? (And even shit like medical, sustainment, hygeine.)
The 4403 threads were actually good, btw

>>65052245
I get they were hyper-technical because Neetz and I are both very autistic about armor, but the 4400 series Hescos have been a /bag/-/gq/ go-to for years. If the 4403 turned out to be shit, a lot of people here would be in trouble. Conclusion is the plate's fine, but it only passes Level IV by a hair (ditto for the 4800) and if you're up against anything above IV spec, you need to look elsewhere. The 4S17M for example is better built but has nominal sizing problems, which Hesco's stuff does not, so the 10x12 4S17M is really like a 9x11 but the 4403 10x12 is actually closer to 10x12.
That makes the debate warranted. Armor is a very technical and simultaneously super shady ass topic. But, because we have these debates, we can condense conclusions into handy guides like >>65046450.

Also, you could have interrupted us at any time, lol.

>>65052256
>cue the John Cena music
Introducing the OTHER armor autist! No, I didn't summon him by saying the magic words "Mehler Vario is kinda based actually."
>The 4403 threads were actually good, btw
I prefer the 4SUS4 vintage.

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>>65052206
>Interesting, since
Getting real tired of having to prove myself every time I ask someone to stop being a fag.

>>65052279
>oh god it's the 4400
Buddy those plates were permanently removed from the NIJ CPL for unresolved safety concerns. There was a huge recall, and they failed a FIT test.
You gotta replace them ASAP. Protech 2230s are a straight upgrade in every way.

lol, the guy screeching "reeeee!! Noooo!!! Don't discuss armor!!" is wearing shit-tier plates that failed a FIT test and were subject to a recall.
Maybe he bought those Botach reject plates?
>>65052279
You ought to be thanking us armor autists, and I'm 100% dead serious about this.

>>65052283
>>65052301
>Suspended in 2018
>Issues were resolved and then approved again, then replaced with an updated model
Are you sure you're not the RMA shill?

>>65052301
Well TECHNICALLY it's the 4400-SA-MC-M. If it's the multi-curve 4400 then that's a different model not subject to the FIT failure and NIJ suspension, just as the Hesco 4403MC and 4403SC are different models and certified separately.
However, the design is fundamentally similar - NIJ rules aside. The whole failure was because the ceramic was too soft. Same supplier for both, last I checked, and if the 4400MC were truly fine it wouldn't have been replaced by the 4403MC. Why else spend the $40k for certifying a new model?

NIJ only conducts random FIT testing once every two years for ISO companies like Hesco. It is VERY easy for bad plates to slip through the cracks. Sometimes it can be years before this crops up.
>Botach reject
Those were the single curve problem model.
>You ought to be thanking us armor autists, and I'm 100% dead serious about this.
Not to toot our horns too much, but if we weren't running around, a lot of you people would genuinely be running RMA. I might actually take a pair of 1165s over those 4400s, but I dunno. I'm content with my 2230s.

>>65052317
>the 4400MC were truly fine it wouldn't have been replaced by the 4403MC. Why else spend the $40k for certifying a new model?
to standardize the production with the 4403sc

>>65052315
>resolved
So was the LTC 26605, twice, and people rightfully asked questions why the armor can't reliably do what it's supposed to.
>replaced with an updated model
The cost of certifying a new model is roughly $40,000. Why do that if the 4400 was truly fine? 80k between 4403SC and MC. 120k if you count 4401.
The 4403 is literally 25-30ft/s away from a FIT failure of its own, going off Buff testing which approximately simulates NIJ and which many well built plates pass with flying colors. It still passes IV, but if the ceramic is just a touch too weak, you could be in trouble.
The new RMA 1155 is built about the same as well, except only to the easier 0101.07 drop test, so that's not a good sign either. The old one is a piece of shit that couldn't even get reinstated because it was so bad. I am no RMA shill.

>>65052051
oh yeah that's the swedish guy

>>65052334
>The cost of certifying a new model is roughly $40,000
Ask hesco. There could be a variety of reasons why they wanted to update the model. Even during the recall period, LEO were advised to continue wearing the armor.

>>65052007
>>65052035
Stop being poor. Why would you trust your life to Chinese armor? Secondly, you do realize that not buying American exacerbates the problem of the middle class American, right? Why would you support undermining your fellow White man? I hate you brother fuckers so much its unreal. I will go so far out of my way to only buy things made by White Americans (or Europeans), I don’t care how much it costs in goybucks.

>>65052390
>armor
never
>knock off $70 spiritus pouches
all day, every day

>>65052356
>Even during the recall period, LEO were advised to continue wearing the armor.
That's customary language, the same as for Zylon in 2005 and the old 1155 too. You're also omitting the full quote. The NIJ advised that wearing less effective armor is better than no armor at all.
>>65052326
That would be a mistake, because their dealers (hello Midwest) are struggling to get 4403s out the door reliably due to supplier issues. Maybe don't rely on Bitossi for everything if St. Gobain is actually okay?
The fact Bitossi has the entire consumer level ceramic part of the industry by the balls is a battle for a different time, however.
>>65052390
The Highcom 4SAS4, RMA 1155, RMA ESRT, and Hesco 4400 are made in America tough. Their failures are all american strong. Zylon from second chance used strong american labor too.
Origin is irrelevant for armor, I care about value and performance. Militech and Gilliam have RMA on the ropes bad.

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>>65052434
>You're also omitting the full quote

>>65052458
I'm referring to the customary boilerplate language the NIJ includes on most suspension and removal letters. They failed to include it on this one.
The NIJ encourages officers to wear armor during the suspension period, or even when it is revoked for unresolved safety concerns, because less effective armor is better than no armor at all.
By definition, a 4400 failing FIT is less effective than a plate which has no record of failing NIJ requirements.

>>65052403
>>65052434
>cope
You’re both anti-White and anti-American. I hope you both die face down in a mass grave.

>>65052745
edgy. Now tell me how paying $5,000 a vest for all-american Dragonskin instead of ESAPIs made by fuckin' Euro companies like BAE Systems and Tencate (with US facilities) would have WON THE WAR ON TERROR.
Certainly not modern Dragonskin, because that (oh no!) apparently uses Chinese materials.

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>>65052745
they get what they fucking deserve

>>65048932
kek

>>65052789
This is why RMA is still in business. People keep spending all their money on POUCHES. and leaving the change in the couch for LIFE-SAVING EQUIPMENT.
If Gilliam got his head out of his arse and sent some 1023s and 8002s to Buff it'd be a done deal, RMA would be cooked.

>>65052342
What ever happened to him? He was in good with Adept and then vanished like a year ago.

>>65052877
>Gilliam
why are you always talking about this dude?
No NIJ and not even a buffman video right?
what evidence is there that he is not full of shit?
>not asking you to link a bunch of shit, off the top of your head is fine

>>65052921
>why are you always talking about this dude?
Because he's an interesting example of what happens when you cut all the overhead and make an armor company out of one guy in his garage using a mix of Chinese, American, and Italian materials. The prices are extremely good. For example, the six-hit Level IV 1023 is $320 a set. The tungsten rated IV+ 8002 is only $314 a plate. That one provides XSAPI+ performance at 8.3lb and on a budget.
>No NIJ and not even a buffman video right?
Large selection of test reports, but yes, no NIJ CPL presence and no Buffman. I've discussed before he has some beef going on with Buff. However, there's a vid by another youtuber where the 8002 puts on an extremely good show, stopping .300 winmag Swiss P AP and other threats. One even does 17 or so various rounds on one plate.
>what evidence is there that he is not full of shit?
Test reports and a few videos, basically. I rank reports higher than youtube videos because you can't buy a lab, but you can buy a youtuber. Even Buff has done shady shit before. Neither is equal to NIJ certification because that requires dozens of plates, not just a few.

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>>65052921
NTA but there are test reports at least, which is more than a lot of companies can say. The specs/price are very attractive relative to other options in 2026, so if they hold up they're excellent poorfag plates.
>>65052883
He popped in a month or two ago IIRC. Most of the old guard are still around, but intermittently.
>>65052789
ahhhhhh lmaooooo

>>65052966
Speaking of the old guard, I'd like to see Berl's / Ravenna's take on Gilliam. I remember VB was hardline no chinesium. I don't remember with Rav. I see remnants of that no-chinesium rule.

>>65052973
Berl hasn't been seen in years, I hope he's chilling wherever he is. Also Chinesium in 2017 and Chinesium in 2026 ain't the same at all.

>>65053068
Hoping he didn't get boned by the whole Tops shit. Lot of people got screwed over by that.
I agree Chinese armor is a totally different scene these days, although you can still buy white label garbage just as you could five, ten, fifteen years ago.

>>65052883
idk what any of them did after der 'cord fell
>>65053213
berl quit the server way before the shooting, i think he made bateman the admin

>>65053292
I kinda remember that. What happened to bateman anyway?

I hope we can discuss armor more. It always seems to be an avoided topic, lately. More armor content, please. And LED light recs, I can't seem to find any sources for good LED lights.

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>>65053393
I have a feeling something like this might be right up your ally

>>65053393
>Don't threaten us with a good time!
I actually want to talk about breaching reinforced crack castles using telescoping ladders... and shields. We can do plate wars (Hesco vs Highcom 2K26!!!!!) all day but it's gonna get repetitive as fuck if there isn't new material like what I was trying to show with the new B6O and AlMgB14 ceramics on the horizon. The era of 3.5lb Level IV may soon be upon us... in ten years.

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>>65053532
>and shields
Shield threats:
>vikings
>arrows
>crossbows
>battery acid
>bricks/rocks
>poop flingers
>pole arms/spears
You could add in bullets, but shields may not be that great. I don't know, I've never been shot at holding a shield. Plus, holding a shield reduces your offensive capabilities 1 roll.

>>65053569
I'm thinking about getting medieval on the bitches

Will the Axl equinox cummerbund accept regular molle pouches or do you have to use the slide on shit? The laser cuts look fucked up.

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when will someone make RF3 titanium foot combat armor? it could be done.
this armor is steel and titanium is half the weight. obviously it would need to be thicker to stop bullets but i think it could be done.
foot combat armor is the best to copy because it's true full plate, not a single gap anywhere.
the helmet would need to be a bit more modern,
maybe it could have integrated CBRN as well.

>>65053297
i think he was in the shooter's private server with a bunch of others and shared his manifesto.
none of them reported the manifesto to the fbi so most got arrested for conspiracy.
some of them never actually opened discord to look at the manifesto so they dodged the charges, idk if he was one of those people or not.

>>65048185
He is risen indeed, hallelujah!

>>65049243
Is it shit?

>>65054301
Cross between JPC 1.0 and 2.0 but structured a bit more like an SPC allegedly so it holds weight better.
>>65053852
Spooky

>>65053532
>breaching reinforced crack castles
to remove them occupy them or loot them?
what kind of reinforcement? fenced home with reinforced doors and windows? or abandoned industrial building of concrete and brick?

>>65054501
All purposes. I'm talking 2-4 story urban concrete blockhouses. Lagged steel doors. Steel security doors in front of the doors. Windows with steel bars, with cheese, and a large soda.

>>65053838
Youd need like 100+ pounds of Titanium.

>>65053838
Like other guy said, it'd be extremely heavy. Titanium by itself is not good body armor material although it's actually okay for helmets.
I'm thinking a scalar based design like Dragonskin, but refined and using better emerging ceramic like B6O would be lighter and stronger.
We'll get knights back in one way or another, but it'll be $$$ and requires some major advancements before full body coverage armor is viable against serious rifle threats. Also need better cooling so you don't heatcat from wearing it in high temps for too long. That means electrics, that means we need better batteries.

>>65055060
I think we'll see plastic and soft armor get mass adopted for nonvitals. Saves weight, could be modular and as long as it stops shrapnel its viable.

>>65055067
I agree. PE is improving enough sub-4lb M855 stoppers are already viable (LTC 24855 and an experimental from Stealth) and sub-3lb by 2035 no sweat. That'll cover you against large preformed fragmentation. RUAG Pearl type tungsten frag might be sketchy.
Soft armor will need to get some major upgrades before it can do that stuff. For vitals a flexible AlMgB14 or B6O, eventually polycrystalline diamond and then NPD cuirass will be pretty nice. NPD is extremely promising (nanopolycrystalline diamond) but is like 2050s armor tech. Deltoids, pelvis, abdominal, etc can be made using the same materials.

>>65053838
I wll need a bigger pouch.
>>65055033
105+

>>65055106
Without sounding like a total weeb I think Samurai style armor shoulder/leg armor would work. Hangs in the right spot to deflect and take air fragmentation and you can still shoot guns no problem.

>>65055135
>Without sounding like a total weeb
Too late, but you are right.

>>65055135
Jinwudun skirt + improved Dragonskin for the skirt, then 8x10 PE plates, like jumbo-MSAPs, for the shoulders?
Not a bad idea really if we can waive weight issues through tech improvements.

I like the Jinwudun skirt, I have one, but it's clearly meant for frag-intensive Ukraine. Awful lot of bulk for IIIA that'll get cleared by fast 9x19 and stands no chance versus M855 out of an ARP.

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>>65055106
>>65055067
> LTC 24855
This is unconfirmed, though.
> An experimental from Stealth
What is this?
Anyway M855 is been BTFO by 7N10M, M855A1, literally every 5.8mm round, and every AP round in 7.62x39mm, so an "M855 stopper" isn't really ideal from a military perspective.

>>65055060
titanium can be hardened to the same level as steel, but it requires special alloys, such as Titanium Ti-13V-11Cr-3Al. it can then be hardened further with surface treatments.

>>65055192
>24855
The actual spec sheet is controlled like the 28570's, but if you go off the rumored 28855 (likely same plate) specs and make reasonable inferences based off the Combat Systems RF2, the 24855 should be 3.8lb or whereabouts. If it runs up to 62mm BFD or doesn't do M80 reliably then 3.3-3.7lb is feasible. CAG does advertise it as a special threat and not RF2 so that's a clue.
>Stealth
Bain at Stealth Armor Systems discussed an experimental all-Dyneema HB212 plate on reddit a year or two back. Didn't go anywhere probably because it's expensive as hell.
>Anyway M855 is been BTFO by 7N10M, M855A1, literally every 5.8mm round, and every AP round in 7.62x39mm, so an "M855 stopper" isn't really ideal from a military perspective.
Depends on how light the plate is. The military for whatever reason wants an ULWSAPI that weighs a pound or so and is only good for 7.62x39 M43 up to 62mm BFD. Split the weight between ULWSAPI and LSAPI for a 7N10 stopper and suddenly it looks okay-ish for a low risk Ukraine plate, IMO.
For what it's worth, that mimics current Russian BR3+ plates.
>>65055194
Too much money for something still inefficient vs ceramic, IMO, unless shot spacing / multi hit reqs are seriously tight.

Here's the webpage for the LTC 24855, for anyone curious. Says jack shit. CAG has a lot of special model numbers but you can't buy from them sans-credentials.
https://www.customarmorgroup.com/collections/ltc-special-threat/products/ltc-24855-special-threat-stand-alone

>>65055261
ceramic is too thick and has way more bfd and yeah multi hit/edge protection is pretty important for a full suit

Check it. Catalyst Surplus has six LTC 28601 XSAPIs in stock. $950 a plate. These are often advertised wrong. They're 3x M993 at 3,050ft/s, not ANYTHING UNDER .5O CAL like Apex says.
They are NOT standalone and need soft armor (good IIIA) to make rating. They're FBI-contract XSAPIs from 2009-2010, formerly sold as the Diamondback Tactical XSP1012.

The Adept Colossus and Gilliam 8002 beat it up pretty badly unless mfg rep > everything else to you. The 28601 was solid seventeen years ago but is long in the tooth. $500 a plate and it'd be a good deal. https://www.catalystsurplus.com/product-page/10-x12-level-iv-ltc-28601-xsapi-ballistic-armor-plate

>>65055546
It's 3/8" steel to stop M193 reliably. Ceramic-PE able to handle BZ API, 7.62x51 M80, and M855A1 is just over 1/2" thick. The ceramic is also much lighter even versus titanium.
>has way more bfd
Not always. Metallic plates can "back spall", hence why they have spall liner on the rear of the plate, and also if it's titanium-PE like the Adept Mantis it'll put out 40mm BFD against M855, because rounds are caught by the PE backer just like a ceramic.
Multi hit can be resolved for ceramics by using a tile / pellet (LIBA) array layup, scalar ala Dragonskin, or just a monolithic with a very stout crack arrestor.
Unless tungsten threats are involved, B4C is still the #1 strike face material until exotic ceramics are available. If tungsten is involved, SiC-TiB2 or SiC-B4C hybrid depending on how fierce the rounds are.

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>>65055261
>The military for whatever reason wants an ULWSAPI that weighs a pound or so and is only good for 7.62x39 M43 up to 62mm BFD.
Realistically, this is probably a "fragment" plate rather than a "rifle threat" plate. They're probably looking at Ukraine. A 1 pound hard plate would stop pretty much all fragments, and fragments are what are causing casualties over there, so it makes sense. It doesn't make sense as a CONUS plate at all, thoughbeit.

>>65055950
>It doesn't make sense as a CONUS plate at all, thoughbeit.
If it's the same thickness (<0.4") as a VS-PXULV it would be very attractive as a covert daily wear plate to handle oddball pistol threats beyond IIIA but not quite at the level of normal plates. No metal, so it'll pass through a metal detector. The rating sucks but if it's two pounds for front and back then that's very attractive.
>Realistically, this is probably a "fragment" plate rather than a "rifle threat" plate. They're probably looking at Ukraine. A 1 pound hard plate would stop pretty much all fragments, and fragments are what are causing casualties over there, so it makes sense.
I've noticed armor in Ukraine is trimodal at least going off Russian specs. You have your frag and light rifle BR3+ plates with soft armor, good for 7N10 tops, then for moderate situations BR4+ plates good for most tungsten 5.45 and basic 7.62x54R (B-32 API at ~150m within GOST BFD), then for really short duration assaults heavy BR5+ plates good for multiple 7.62x54R 7N37, which is a dedicated XSAPI buster and the hardest threat in the area aside from very recent developments (7N51, 7N49, 12.7x108 and up APs...).

American plates are the same way. LSAPI, ESAPI, XSAPI, except the ratings are more closely grouped so you aren't caught with your pants down if things are a little hotter than expected at reasonable engagement distances. ESAPI GEN-IV can probably handle M993 at 200-300 meter standoff. LSAPI can probably do B-32 API at the same.
ULWSAPI might be handy as a covert ULV type plate or what you said, a fragment plate light enough for 24/7 wear.

>>65055606
the standard level iii ar500 armor is .34 inches thick including the spall coating.
you can definitely stop m193 with less than 3/8 inch thick steel.
they even have an "alloy" model that's 1/4 inch thick which is iii+ rated.
they also have an m80a1 rated plate that's .34 inches thick.
now consider the fact that ar500 is not a particularly hard steel.
you could definitely use a hardened titanium or titanium alloy to stop m80a1 at a reasonable thickness.

>>65056288
Holy shit it is painfully obvious that you don't know what you're talking about
> standard level iii ar500 armor
Doesn't stop M193 at >3250 fps
> "alloy" model that's 1/4 inch thick which is iii+ rated
Same
> now consider the fact that ar500 is not a particularly hard steel.
You know what happens to particularly hard steels when you shoot them? They shatter. This is why RHA and most armor steels are not tool steels.
> you could definitely use a hardened titanium or titanium alloy to stop m80a1 at a reasonable thickness.
You are a retard.

>>65056288
>the standard level iii ar500 armor is .34 inches thick including the spall coating.
Which isn't rated for M193 anywhere close to 3,250ft/s. Also add full spall coat, not just base.
>you can definitely stop m193 with less than 3/8 inch thick steel.
If you overharden it to AR650-AR700 level, yes, but then it risks being overly brittle and that negates the multi hit advantage of steel. You can use more exotic alloys like steel-titanium hybrid, but then that negates the cost advantage.
>they also have an m80a1 rated plate that's .34 inches thick.
Yes, the A4. Add the full spall coat for a proper thickness number. Also, it is only rated to M855A1 out of a 14.5", all the while it weighs more and costs more than basic alumina-fiberglass ceramic IV like the Hesco 4403.
>you could definitely use a hardened titanium or titanium alloy to stop m80a1 at a reasonable thickness.
That's a trick AR500 uses to make the A4 seem stronger than it really is. Why don't they advertise it to M855A1 out of a 20"? M80A1 has a softer, but larger penetrator. It accordingly does better against ceramic than it does steel.

Ceramic is still a mile ahead here.

Armor is so overrated. What's the point of stopping a single round when they're just going to magdump you until you stop moving? Its only legitimate use should be stopping frag.

>>65056576
>His plates aren't multihit
Lmao, hit the RMA support e-mail broke nigga.

>>65056599
>get magdumped on
>every single round is defeated by your tiny XS SAPI twink plate
Get real nerd. As soon as you're exposed, you're going to take rounds all over your body. You fell for GWOT memes.

>>65056576
>Armor is so overrated. What's the point of stopping a single round when they're just going to magdump you until you stop moving?
There are thousands of recorded saves by armor between law enforcement and military since 1971. Safariland alone has recorded 2,275 LEO saves from non-frag ballistic threats.
Basic ass Level III plates that weigh as little as two pounds stop a minimum of six 7.62x51mm M80 at 2,780ft/s. They also cover the most important bits of your body aside from your head / neck. IIIA soft armor weighs as little as 0.57lb/ft^2, six .44 magnum or 9x19, minimum.
>muh magdump
great way to trade kills. Use explosives. If you can't use explosives, failure drill. Ideally just punch the plate with AP, but that's a luxury which assumes access to good enuff AP.

>>65056608
>Has such a small, frail, weak body from god that he thinks everyone wears a XS plate like him.
Grim. Let me see those striped knee high socks.

>>65056623
You aren't law enforcement, and you're not military. You don't have explosives. You are a solo loser like A2 and you're going to get shot to pieces and die face down all alone.

>>65056608
Jeez, good thing you can apply a tq and other shit to your legs and arms. See the case of SEAL Mike Day. Dude gets magdumped, he lives. Plate did its job. Medical aid handled the rest.
>XS SAPI
I love strawmen. Most men wear a SAPI M / 10x12.
>>65056599
Muh fuckin 1155s!!

>>65056633
>You don't have explosives.
My last meal from taco bell says otherwise.
>he thinks law enforcement gets fucking bombed 24/7 on the streets of chicago, detroit, philly, baltimore, and miami rather than shot.
lol
>You are a solo loser like A2 and you're going to get shot to pieces and die face down all alone
A2 is kinda goofy sometimes but I give him 5:1 odds against your average person.

>>65056631
this dood is 4'5" and 95lb

No update on Velsys' Wraith high coverage plates and half-baked carrier. I think they realized they forgot to cook.

>>65054333
I wonder how the fit is
is it made for small asian twinks?

>>65056631
Is it viable to wear an XS plate for groin protection? Kinda like a front only mini skirt? I mean, kind hot, rightt?

>>65056649
>A2 is kinda goofy sometimes but I give him 5:1 odds against your average person.
I'd give him a dollar to stop posting about anything except his Sea-2-Summit inflatable pillow.

>>65057046
50/50 chance on whether the medium fits an 8x10.
>>65057056
Ukrainians run 8x10 Hesco plates for groin protection. An XS is absolutely doable. The "Sabado" on Aliex fits an 8x10. DMGEAR's XL groin protector fits a 10x12. I have two XLs mounted to a Jinwudun IIIA skirt with L210s inside. The skirt pads them out so I don't hit my dick and ass with plates.

>>65057059
I wouldn't trust a2's used pillows I'm just saying they might look funny under a blacklight...
Actually where the fuck is he he's been gone all bread.

>>65057067
>DMGEAR's XL groin protector fits a 10x12
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803566691844.html?
>>65057067
>I don't hit my dick and ass with plates
>gets shot in ass running away
>I'M OK!

>>65057072
"Camping" with the boys.

Shill me a set of lightweight SAPI Ls. Budget $800

>>65057085
Yeah that's it. The XL all the way to the right. I can fit two L210s in one, so if I had another pair of 2230s I could Protech my balls against pissing hot .300 Weatherby M2AP at 3,510ft/s. Maybe I should...
>>65057089
A2Grape status?

>>65057102
>if I had another pair of 2230s I could Protech my balls against pissing hot .300 Weatherby M2AP at 3,510ft/s. Maybe I should...
Could we assign the threat catagory on .300WeaMag to your balls as minimal (high risk/low probability)?

>>65057100
Militech RF3 Black Label. 7.4lb SAPI L with a very small cheat ring.
https://mili-tech.com/products/militech%C2%AE-nij-iv-0101-06-rf3-0101-07-black-label-range-esapi-ballistic-panels-pair-set

$640/set not counting import, which last I checked is still $100. If RF3 is not needed, RF2 SiC for $419 a set and 5.2lb a pop.
https://mili-tech.com/products/copy-of-militech%C2%AE-nij-iii-0101-06-rf2-0101-07-lightweight-shooters-cut-multi-curve-ballistic-panels-pair-set

If you can't do China, look to the Hesco M210 or 3411 depending on preferred threat profile.

>>65057130
If I lose my balls then there goes the possibility of carrying on the armor autist bloodline. You fuckers in 2056 are going to be running NIJ suspended RMA 1185s and contract overrun Highcom 4SAS4s from World War IV. Don't even get me started on the Hesco 4407.

>>65056907
It's over. They got clowned in all of the comment sections everywhere and decided to pull the plug.

>>65057170
What I figured. You can't introduce a whole ass new plate cut with an ass carrier and a mediocre all-PE plate, especially one that increases weight and coverage when the trend has been... the opposite. What did they think was going to happen?

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>>65057203
It was unanimous.

>>65057233
Not even the Highcum 4SUS4 was unanimous... fuck. It's joever for velsys. They should give it up and become a coffee brand at costco.

>>65057131
>Hesco M210 or 3411
Based. Probably going to get these
https://sierratac.com/product/hesco-400-series-armor-level-3-stand-alone-plate-3411/
How about a 6x6 side plate?

>>65057260
>he does not embrace the chinamaxx
That would be the 3110 to match the 3411.

>>65057247
Imaging the potential selling plates at Costco to Joe and Tiffany Homeowner.
>plus, we include a picatinny mount cup holder!

>>65057293
This is the ingenuity Velsys will never have by limiting their sales to COPS and the FEDS.
Actually, why the fuck doesn't costco sell cheap all-american armor next to the $1.50 hot dog combos? They'd make a fortune with how boomers are getting into no-name AR500 off ebay for $85 a pair.

>>65057328
Exactlies.
>but honey, this is cheap insurance for you and the kids
>it's like only 1/2 the Tesla payment!

>>65057345
Two of these and a $45.00 YAKEDA carrier with pouches included. We're talking less than $200 and you're in the game, meat warrior.
https://www.ebay.com/p/27031084552

>>65057352
Less HAZ, is BEST HAZ.

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Wait, I forgot, it's $84.96 for the set of plates, free shipping(!), OR you can split it into four easy payments of $21.24.
>2,386 sold
>in 371 carts RIGHT NOW
Costco is sleeping on a goldmine here!

>>65057403
Seems best as a practice target.

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>>65057414
I dunno, you can buy tactical scorpion targets for only four easy payments of $11.80. Free shipping and no interest (I think...)!

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>LET THERE BE NO CONFUSION
>ANYONE WHO SAYS ARMOR IS NOT MAINSTREAM
>WHEN THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF SHITTY ASS STEEL PLATES
>SOLD ON EBAY
>DAILY
>IS RETARDED

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>everything old is new again
You know the Austrians make good stuff!

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>>65057613
You can probably buy an nvg mount for that on ebay, just saying. Stick a SLAAP plate on it.

>>65056907
couldn't find info on this anywhere other than a "contact us" button on their website. what the fuck is wraith?

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>>65057734
Velsys came up with a half-baked carrier that takes a new plate cut and there's only one plate in that cut. It offers 20% more coverage than SAPI M.

>>65056322
>>65056309
1: nobody is shooting m193 at 3250 fps
2: metal hardening is a surface treatment
3: the thickness number of all their plates includes the coating
4: i did not know m80a1 was softer, fair.
ceramic is better in terms of raw numbers, but for a full suit,
it's way too chunky and it doesn't have the edge to edge protection that you need for all the tiny articulating bits between joints or on your hands and feet.
also it's not nearly as durable and has much worse multihit.
even the so-called "flexible" ceramic armor is only barely, you can't actually use it on any joints,
it's simply able to curve around your body more easily than what can be manufactured with a standard hard plate.

>>65057750
>1: nobody is shooting m193 at 3250 fps
i am
t. 20" lake city chad

>>65057766
>see and raise
For you video gamers, you can't "call and raise" you can only "check", "see", "see and raise" or "call". It's like a rules thing.

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>>65057750
>1: nobody is shooting m193 at 3250 fps
Chief it comes out of a 20" at 3,300ft/s (Federal XM193), with some variation based on lot, manufacturer, etc.
>2: metal hardening is a surface treatment
>While their heat treatment process is not regulated, AR400 and AR500 are typically quenched and tempered. (Leeco)
>the thickness number of all their plates includes the coating
They sell plates in two forms. This is clearly indicated on their site. Base and full coat. For the A4 plate, the base is 8lb and 0.31" thick. That is an insufficient spall coat. With the full coat, it is 8.75lb and 0.56" thick. It is a pound heavier than a Hesco 4403 and $250/plate versus $185 on sale.
>ceramic is better in terms of raw numbers
It's superior in every category except getting absolutely hosed and getting dropped repeatedly onto concrete with a 10lb weight tied to it.
>it's way too chunky
A VelSys PBZ-SA is actually thinner than the AR500 A4 with a full coat, at 0.52" thick, while weighing only 4.15lb for a SAPI M.
>it doesn't have the edge to edge protection
That's easy, use hexagons or a scalar solution like Verco.
>also it's not nearly as durable and has much worse multihit
Irrelevant when steel weighs twice as much and cannot stop threats like BZ API and M855A1 reliably, let alone M2AP or M995.
>even the so-called "flexible" ceramic armor is only barely
Verco shows otherwise. You can bend Ceraflex plates and such in half.
>it's simply able to curve around your body more easily than what can be manufactured with a standard hard plate
At an absurd weight penalty. We're talking over 50lb for front + back + sides + deltoids + thighs for armor that can't reliably stop M855A1.

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I really like this style of helmet cover, but I can't find the OEM, just Chinese knockoffs. Anyone know who makes them?

Inb4 it's literally just a Chinese original product

>>65057781
I'm not even the anon you were replying to, just popped in to say there are tons of spergs like me who obsess over 5.56 velocity.

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>>65055192
I am not supposed to find 2d provacative...
>>65055033
Picrel in Ti.

>>65057826
Wierd, bc I wasn't really replying to him, just confirming the superiority of the 20" bbl and how tarded zooms get over expressiins they don't understand from lack of exposure and ignorance.
It's my trigger.

>>65057843
>just confirming the superiority of the 20" bbl
carry on, king

>>65057831
That would be akin to the very first iteration of Dragonskin, SOV-1000, developed in 1997. It weighed more than Silicon Carbide or even Alumina SOV-2000 while stopping less. I think it was only good for M193 + 7.62x39 MSC, but I'd have to double check Armor Technology Corporation's website using the wayback machine. SOV-2000 was full Level III plus your regular medley of "+" threats and then some.
There's a reason why every company which has made or makes dragonskin no longer does so with titanium. They did more recently with titanium carbide (IV++ version of Evolution Armour's Skalaar), but that's a ceramic.

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0257897221006794
a paper on hardening titanium. keep in mind they are not starting with the hardest titanium available.
you end up with a result of about 64 hrc, which is an increase in hardness of 23.

and this is only with one particular available process of many.
just browsing matweb.com, which is likely not exhaustive, i found Titanium Ti-13V-11Cr-3Al, with a base hardness of 50. in theory this treatment could boost that to 73, and there are likely more effective surface treatments.
for reference, tungsten carbide is 60-70.
>>65057766
>>65057786
congratulations on hard-countering a very specific breed of mall ninja but i don't think this strategy is broadly applicable.
my point about ar500 was not that it was good, but rather what they could achieve with what is basically pot metal.
i never advocated for a full ar500 suit of armor, i'm saying there should be a specialized hardened titanium alloy that is optimized for use as body armor.
the real barrier with hardened titanium alloy armor is that it would be way more expensive than any ceramic,
and only useful in the niche of a full suit where edge-to-edge protection,
multihit, minimal backface, and overall durability make a huge difference.
a sapi plate gains nothing from being made of titanium. they are designed to be disposable and made to standard sizes.
a fully armored suit in the style of a knight's foot combat armor would have to be individually tailored at least in the early days of production,
and to size them at scale would require you to make MANY models of each part of the suit which would all have to be compatible with one another.
this is a very specialized piece of hypothetical gear.
i think you could industrialize this for mass issue like anything else,
but it would require much more investment than traditional ceramic plates.
i have not heard of verco or ceraflex until now.
neither appear to be available to civilians.

>>65057826
Man we aren't even talking about hybrid case M193 yet. It's possible to now get M193 up to roughly 3,750ft/s with handloaded NAS3.
It has never been more over for steel and it will only get worse from here.

>>65057850
not reading any of that

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>>65057848
>wayback machine.
How old are you, bc ai know you mean the real one?

>>65057850
Okay and basic aluminum oxide is at or over 70 HRC. If we're now using exotic titanium alloy that destroys the cost advantage versus ceramic.
>what they could achieve with what is basically pot metal.
They didn't achieve much. The specs given in >>65057786 infographic are abysmal.
>there should be a specialized hardened titanium alloy that is optimized for use as body armor.
Adept tried that. Their Mantis Ti-PE plate is IMO mall ninja garbage and simultaneously costs more, weighs more, and stops less versus an LTC 19513 alumina-PE ceramic.
Adept has two noteworthy plates. The Colossus and the Archon. They both use titanium, sure, but as part of SiC-TiB2... ceramic.
>would be way more expensive than any ceramic
If that's conceded, we can just bust PCD out and run plates literally harder than diamond. Level IVs under 4lb were estimated in the past by Diamond Age. M855 stopping III+ under 2.2lb made experimentally.
>this is a very specialized piece of hypothetical gear
Which sounds cool as hell, but will get mogged by a mobik with a 110 year old Mosin and a single round of 7N37 he had to do very Russian things to obtain. He wouldn't even need 7N37 for this. Good lord B-32 API or 7N13 will do fine.
>i have not heard of verco or ceraflex until now.
They're more obscure flexible rifle armors. Latter is made by Tencate and interestingly stops M995 / M993 (Ceraflex PL-7300), far and away outside any reasonable thickness of titanium alloy.

>>65057868
I feel old. Effortposting about plates prematurely ages the soul.

>>65057881
i specifically said titanium would cost more. that was never an advantage i claimed.
adept is shit and they half-assed it.
you're making arbitrary assertions about what non-existent titanium armor could or could not stop.
if the armor is made specifically to resist a threat, it will.
it's a matter of finding the right alloy and treatments,
which nobody has bothered doing because ceramic will always be cheaper.

>>65057887
>Effortposting about plates
It is appriciated, even if I gloss over the minutia.

>>65057898
>adept is shit and they half-assed it.
I mean I think they're shady but good lord man they kinda know what they're doing.
The Colossus is the strongest civ-accessible Level IV plate on the market, bar maybe the Gilliam 8002.
>you're making arbitrary assertions about what non-existent titanium armor could or could not stop.
I'm using known exemplars and also trying to tell you it would be weight-prohibitive to have titanium stop more. The A4 cannot stop M855A1 at full velocity and is already nearly 9lb. That's novel steel titanium alloy. Can you show any existing titanium plate rated for M855A1 out of a 20"?
>which nobody has bothered doing because ceramic will always be cheaper.
Indeed.
>Now what we'll all do is make a knight suit out of nanopolycrystalline diamond that stops more and weighs a quarter of what the titanium suit would be.
But anyways, titanium is not good body armor material except as a component to a ceramic plate. It's solid for a helmet though. Maybe passable for a shield or buckler.
The armor industry really isn't that big and has limited resources. R&D that could be put towards novel titanium alloys / treatments would be better spent on getting AlMgB14 strike face production up and running. Troops will be better off with 4lb Level IVs and 3lb M855A1 plates than a couple dudes in chunky ass knights, with exoskeletons, squires, and dudes carrying their shit, that eat 7N6 all day but fold to any serious EPR or AP.

Some of u... er someone may actually want a squire.

>>65057921
what "novel alloy" is this exactly? the alloy i referenced with the 50 rhc rating was over $1k for a 3"x12" plate. they certainly aren't using that.
if they don't list the specific material composition, it's probably crap.
just like their novasteel is probably ar500.
there are no existing high hardness titanium plates because it is prohibitively expensive.
how many times must i say this?

>>65057944
>what "novel alloy" is this exactly
It's AR500, so the hopes and dreams of boomers.
>if they don't list the specific material composition, it's probably crap.
Yes, it is crap, as I've already implied. Grossly inferior to 1970s alumina-fiberglass technology.
>like their novasteel is probably ar500
Adept =/= AR500. The former did R&D for the latter. Adept flaunts the following but it's unclear if they are actually using it at this time.
>Carapace specially-processed, non-martensitic ultra-high strength steel (UHSS)
>there are no existing high hardness titanium plates because it is prohibitively expensive.
So the knight suit you proposed is a non-starter then. If no go for basic plates, no go for knight suit.
>how many times must i say this?
Enough to make me want a squire like >>65057940 to hold my tactical liquors and make cocktails. Gimme a sazerac, double the absinthe.

>>65058022
how is it a non-starter? it's a concept. do you think people develop random materials in a lab with no goal in mind,
and only after their creation do they ponder what they could be used for?
do you think b4c was developed for absolutely no reason?
and again hard titanium and titanium hardening processes exist.
they have simply not been used for body armor.
ar500 is not just a company,
it's an actual type of steel. there's an entire ar series of steels.

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>>65058380
>Getting iii++ because muh lighter armor
>Still getting a L
Buddy, you're pushing 300 lbs, that extra 2 lbs saved in armor isn't going to do anything.

>>65058391
>Buddy, you're pushing 300 lbs
wut
i am tall and wide (not fat)