Lists of pharmacies:
https://hrt.coffee
https://hrtcafe.net/
▶https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/t-shipping.aspx- Has been popular in the US. Ships from Vanuatu to some countries.
▶ euaibolitatgmaildotcom - Ships from EU to Worldwide.
▶https://unitedpharmacies-uk.md/(UK only) - Ships from HK.
▶https://unitedpharmacies.md/(US only) - Ships from HK.
▶https://alldaychemist.com/- Ships from India to some countries.
▶https://shape-shifter.webnode.page/- Ships from Turkey to Worldwide.
▶https://stayhealthynow.co/- Ships from Turkey to Worldwide
▶https://amazing4health.com/- Ships from Thailand to Worldwide.
▶https://favskinhouse.com/- Ships from Thailand to Worldwide.
▶https://goodstuffstore.net/- Ships from Thailand to Worldwide.
▶https://otc-online-store.com/- Ships from Russia to Worldwide.
▶https://www.weborderpharmacy.md/(US only) - Ships from India.
▶https://www.weborderpharmacy-uk.md/(UK only) - Ships from India.

>>42728752
can we add diyhrt.market under list of pharmacies since .cafe kinda just points to it already

to the anon who was asking about using voix celeste for redirection, i honestly have no idea. that detail is kinda too specific for me.

ik this is kinda a stupid q but is there any way to get crypto with no id. i can't do crypto atm's bcs im a brithon. thanks in advance.

yay hrtgen yaaay

>>42728748
EU nonas, how long did you wait for astro vials delivery? I ordered two weeks ago and it still hasnt left france and the waiting is killing me I was so excited for this

only good thread on the board

>>42728775
someone suggested buying csgo/tf2 items and reselling them for crypto

>>42728792
according to some reddit posts its not unusual for la poste to take this long
additionally i learned that there were heavy rain storms in france so that might be the cause

>>42728765
added it to my copy & paste note. Hopefully the next, if it is not me, will remember.
I remember the previous thread people were asking to update the links... im just keeping the thread alive.

>>42728894
thank you anon!!!!!!!

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>>42728752
>>42728894
a few threads ago when i created the thread i added
https://diyhrt.market
https://hrtcafe.net/index.html
https://transfemscience.org/
https://estrannai.se
these to the list, i think they're all nice and may be helpful to other people

also this the first reply guide pic

>>42728792
AV being weird as fuck with delivery times as of recent

>>42728964
I think AV was fine, I got notified that they send the package on the next day. Its la poste that is holding onto it

>>42728933
>>42728765
Should I remove the hrtcafe.net link since we have .market? I was going to just repost the list of pharmacies so other anons/nonas can copy & paste it.

>>42728933
is the pic i used in the OP outdated?

>>42729004
uhhhhhh i mean thats your choice personally i think keeping both is fine just in cafe one goes down, but .coffee should 100% be removed it leads to a scam okph and its super outdated

>>42728973
oh im dumb lmao

>>42729046
*just in case, not in cafe

am i stupid if i order from av while they have thing going on? I really don't wanna delay hrt even longer. every week feels so empty and soulless..

>>42729004
>is the pic i used in the OP outdated?
not really. i mean, its from 2022 but afaik theres not a more recent version available. and its not like we found out a new hrt method or whatever in the meantime. the lack of stuff regarding prog or pio or etc is explained on the transfemscience site for example.
the pic i posted is just a complement that people usually post on the first reply of the thread, together with the links

>>42729135
>complement pic on the first reply
Gotcha
>not a more recent version
wanted to make sure, because I know the majority belief is that the "time line" for effects are not "accurate" and same with "limiting breast growth"

>>42728748
what gauge needle is good for 0.125 ml injections

I gained about 30 pounds last year and my boobs have gotten significantly to larger which is good, but I seemingly also gained an inch or two on my waist. I've just read the roadmap on papers.lgbt (https://papers.lgbt/papers/roadmap) and wondering if I should start mk-677.

>>42729999
the info provided doesn’t help. are you doing IM or SubQ? also do you know the carrier oil in your vial?

>>42730088
what is your goal for adding mk? is it to try to continue the breast growth without the inches in your waist?

>>42730088
>https://papers.lgbt/papers/roadmap

So what happens if your provider was an enby freak who hon dosed you for the first year and you're at year two with no changes and B cups wanting to go on MK-677?

Fuck you Low Dose Al and Qmed just BTW, don't use that bitch. Low dosing enby wanting to enby all the things.

What are the optimal levels for DHT? I see a lot of people say as close to 0 is best but I've also see some suggest it being a little elevated can preoccupy SHBG. Mine is 11 ng/dL and I worry that could be slowing me down

>>42730890
dr powers says he likes to have his patients DHT below 10ng/dL on his subreddit

can i use a transderma E spray as a cis guy on my face to look cuter and younger? it has 2.5mg per pump, maybe if i apply less to get less systemic effect like i barely press on it to get some small amount. not sure how much it would last topically, maybe i could mix into moisturizer? also concerned about alcohol or irritants:


Alcohol
Isopropyl Myristate
Polysorbate 80
Estradiol

>>42728792
Took me around 10 days in summer of last year. La Poste has really bad tracking so I could only get good tracking once it was handed over to royal mail.

>>42729081
AV is fine. You will get a vial eventually and you waiting to place order will just delay this even more.
>>42729999
I do 31g although I probably would go with something like 27g or 29g next time.

>>42730668
This is a roadmap by a 15 year old why are you trusting it like its some gospel randomly lol. Female puberty takes years its going to take time to get changes so just make sure your testosterone is suppressed and you'll be doing ok.

>>42732036
Topical hormones are honscience you can't do this it won't work and you will get tits. 2.25mg/day gave me breast growth.

>>42732036
if you dont want breast growth take serms
>>42732037
>Female puberty takes years its going to take time to get changes so just make sure your testosterone is suppressed and you'll be doing ok.

very true what matters the most is just having good levels
>>42729081
AV is fine

>>42732226
>if you dont want breast growth take serms
SERMs may or may not work. It varies person to person. If you want feminising changes but no breast growth you need to get your boobs chopped off.

>>42731919
I've seen that and it's been making me concerned lately because I was about to start prog which I know has a tendency to raise DHT further. My T is hovering around 30 ng/dL with my Ev mono therapy so it's really odd my DHT is so high cause I think it should be around 10% of T. Would taking Dut help or is my unusually elevated DHT something that can't be fixed because it's an odd case?

why does prog keep giving me debilitating bouts of depression? as soon as i stop taking it the world fills full of color and im happy but when i go back on it i dissociate, get really bad brainfog, and can barely move. i'm taking 200mg troches only because there weren't any suppository available when i ordered.

how do people use t-gel on their dicks without masculinization? like surely the t will override the e just like in ftm transition

>>42728748
im starting hrt again after 5 years off, im back at normal t levels, should i get on AAs or not?

>>42732037

IDK, I see it posted and being used as a reliable roadmap and it doesn't read like a 15 year old wrote it.

I'm mid 30s and the bitch started me off on 2MG bi weekly and refused prog or AAs because I ma'am'd her ass on our first visit. Refused me letters for BA at 1 year and kept telling me to wait.

I was new, didn't know shit about queer crap and there was no reason for that shit but I look to my wife who was 2 years in transition at the time and has gigantic naturals because she got a different dude from the same provider and her doses are drastically different from mine and I go HM YOU KNOW THIS MIGHT BE A LOW DOSE.

She passes and I've never been gendered correctly by strangers once. I've put in ten times the effort, weight cycled, did everything you can. My hair doesn't even grow it just curls up into nigger fro and knots.

I'm post orchi now and kept waiting for my chest to do something, anything, but I'm not even getting buds and I 100% blame my first provider for it.

My NP told me to only use my vial (estradiol valerate in sesame oil) for 28 days and dispose of it. Thing is, that’s throwing away 80% of the bottle. Is it really that much of a risk of contamination if I make sure to clean the stopper and only use sterile needles? It should be good for a while at room temperature right? I’m thinking either keeping it as a backup or maybe giving the rest to someone who needs it.

>>42728748
does applying gel to ur ass really work better than thigh? ive heard that applying it to ur scrotum is the best way to go (but dont as im stuck w/ shitty nhs gel which would sting and just generally suck) but ive never heard that butt works too

bump

>>42730390
unsure what to start with, on diyhrt info they say "subcutaneous injection are 25-30g, for intramuscular, 23-25g". so where in that range should i pick?
MCT oil, Benzyl Benzoate, and Benzyl Alcohol

>>42730390
>Is it to try to continue the breast growth while adding inches on your waist
Yes, whatever can convince my body to add zero inches to waist while my boobs continue to get bigger would be ideal. If there's no chemical solution to this and I just have to do situps then that's fine.
>>42730668
>So what happens if your provider was an enby freak
My transition was delayed significantly because I did not gain weight for 6 years. You'll be fine, 2 year transition is a grail not a normal experience.
>Fuck you low dose al
I hope enbies know that the only real reason that enbies are put on low dose T is because doctors see them as sexually underperforming lesbians and want to increase their libido so they fuck men.

>>42736210
>unsure what to start with
"Easiest" out of the two options, is to find insulin needles to do subcutaneous injections, any gauge between 25-30 is fine, I personally use 27g 5/8" fixed insulin needles. Make sure the total volume of the needles is no more than 1ml or 100 units.

>>42736420
>whatever can convince my body to add zero inches to waist while my boobs continue to get bigger would be ideal
if that combo was possible everyone would be on it. idk what to say other than i think mk is useless for any reasons.

>>42733493
well as long as you're producing normal T levels (like you're doing right now since you didnt have an orchi or srs) and you're not doing monotherapy on injections, yes, you need an antiandrogen
>>42734365
never heard about it. gel is pretty common in my country and people here do either on thighs or scrotum (may be a bit dangerous bc they say scrotum and nipples can lead to tumor, but im not an expert on that)
>>42732439
i read about DHT on transwomen a few months ago when i was scared my DHT was too high. dr powers on his reddit says he put his patients on 1mg of dutasteride a week to drop their DHT. i believe bicalutamide could help too? but im not sure because i only read a bit of it and then i stopped learning a lot about that when i got my bloodtests and it showed up my DHT levels were actuallly fine. try searching for "DHT" on his subreddit, a lot of people discuss that there

>>42726337
oh really
how about 100mg spiro TWICE a day
and 6mg EV sublingual total (2mg in morning and 4mg in evening)

>>42728748
QRD on prog?

Everyone's talking about DHT blocking right now but does anyone know where to get DHT cream for FTM bottom growth? None of the overseas pharmacies seem to sell it.

>tfw gotta cut my hair because it instantly makes me look like I'm femming out
damned traitor

Do I have to boof progesterone? My doctor prescribed me the oral stuff and I'm not super down on messing with my butt honestly.

bumping

Boomp'dy

>>42737741
Yeah I've read about DHT on there
What's the differences between dut and bica? Are the both safe long term?

If I suddenly switch the way I take estrogen I'll have any downsides?
Currently going to switch from gel to oral pills because it's easier to hide the purchase
I'm going to keep the current dose ofc, maybe only a small adjustment because of how math adds

I'm a dude who want to try oestrogen for a month and see what happens. Yes I know that's retarded. What's the safest way I can do this?

How necessary is an AA? I’m just on straight EV injections, planned parenthood doesn’t prescribe anything but spiro and I’m not taking that shit. Is monotherapy good enough? Are my kidneys/liver going to get mega fucked from the estrogen and testosterone, or will the E suppress it well enough?

Hello it's the polish dutasteridebro. I want the legal prescription, don't think it should be that hard but idk which doctors online aren't assholes about it.

So weight cycling has to be a meme right? I'm reading that fat gained when stressed is very stubborn on your belly and hard to lose, I don't see how weight cycling won't be the worst case scenario in that case

>>42746349
i think logically the best way would be to start at low bodyfat and gain a bit of weight gradually while on hrt, but idk

>>42746373
Eh, it's better to start hrt asap than be a low weight first but I was severely underweight when I started and I'm underweight now so it's not like start weight matters to me

>>42745431
its not necessary on monotherapy, your androgens will be completely suppressed
liver and kidneys arent concerns for injections, only for oral E
the real question is if you're injecting enough E to do proper monotherapy

>>42745431
according to diyhrt.info you'd need 4mg every 5 days to do monotherapy on EV
https://diyhrt.info/transfem/dosing/

>>42746979
Probably not, fairly sure it’s a hondose right now (0.2ml a week, 10mg per ml). I’ve considered saying fuck it and injecting more, but I don’t know if they like cut you off for not following the plan. I have a check-in 2 months from now. I want to ask them to increase my dosage by as much as possible. I’ve also considered asking my PCP if I could get bica, but between not being sure that would be approved and the monotherapy possibly making that pointless, not sure yet.

>>42747006
yeah you almost certainly need more than that
you could get bloodwork to be extra sure but that sounds like way too little for monotherapy

>>42747032
Most likely. I literally just started HRT (done 2 total injections) so I had my initial draw and was in normal ranges for a male my age. I was told to get drawn again one week before my appointment. I hate having to wait till April, but not much I can really do. I might inject a little more than they said to. I would consider getting my bloodwork done again after a month just to see my levels, but I don’t know how worth it that is at the moment.

>>42747087
you might want to miss your last injection or two before the bloodwork.
i'm diy but i've heard its a strategy people use to get their dosage upped by these informed consent places.

>>42747129
Is there a specific dosage I should be asking for if I do that? Like how many ml would it take to get to a monotherapy level? Or would they give me stuff with a higher concentration so I’m not putting a whole ml into my thigh lmao

>>42747243
according to that website i linked before you would need twice the amount you're taking now, so 0.4ml if the concentration stays the same

>>42738657
?????

>>42747263
Thanks Nona, I appreciate it. I have an appointment with my PCP soon, maybe I’ll get my levels checked just to see where a month has taken me. I might give the skip method a try, either way I know I’m going to be very insistent on at least doubling my dosage. If they try and stonewall me, maybe I’ll just do it anyway and hope they don’t cut my prescription.

>>42738657
>>42747271
it would probably be enough for most people, but only with a blood tests after like 6 weeks on this regim to really know because some people need more, others less, most are fine with that level

>>42749290
Thanks anon
I'll test after some time, I'm doing DIY and stealthily so I can get just pills rn
here we gooo

>>42744280
dont see why it would. might even be beneficial by cycling a different balance of metabolites.

>>42745259
what do you mean safest? probly injections if you want mono otherwise you need aa. and a month isnt that long what are you expecting

>>42746349
yeah basically afaict but it still helps a bit. like your gonna start to be redistributing anyway from daily activity and it can increase the rate but your still gonna have to wait years. this stubborn stress thing sounds like a meme too, unless the stress is a constant such a condition should reverse. and its not like it would stick around if you burn everything else off first. its still good to be healthy aware of diet and exercise to transmax

>>42738950
People say it helps finish breast growth, also people say it helps their mood, their sex drive, but also that it did not do anything and it worsen their mood, more YMMV

>>42740923
You don't have to boof it if you don't want to, there are some studies that show that the liver destroys 90% of it orally.

>>42745259
>picrel from the start of the thread
>https://pghrt.diy/
you can inform yourself and make your own decision

>>42744221
Dut block "all" the enzymes that converts T into DHT, Bica is an AA meaning it binds to the T and DHT receptors so that both hormones cannot bind to the receptors. Bica is the "safest" out of all the AA, im pretty sure dut is as safe as fin.

>>42739133
>https://vigoroussteve.com/the-ultimate-ctrlf-source-list/
not FTM, dont know the veracity of the list, the sellers, and the guy whose name is plastered all over the list that apparently gives a discount, I just remembered this list from an old friend that use to abuse steroids.

>>42747358
>https://estrannai.se/#it0_cu,2,5,1-2,5,1-2,5,1-2,5,1-2,5,1-2,5,1-2,5,1_c,4,5,1
Your PCP probably wont prescribe you bica because you are going to PP and will say those doc know what they are doing. As >>42747263
said, 4-5mg every 5 days is average, that site shows your current regimen, although it is technically in the "target range" a blood test taken on the day of what would be your next injection will determine if your T is being suppressed, should be below 50ng/dL. To not getting hon dosed, imo, you can buy EV from a DIY seller and supplement your dose, until your next appointment and be honest about what you are doing while also telling them that what you prescribed before on average is not enough for mono. You could also get your PCP to test your levels at trough to have evidence to show your PP doc about how your T was not accurately suppressed. I wouldn't worry to much about them cutting your prescription from doing that as that would be medical malpractice, especially if you honest about the DIY. You can also do what >>42747129 suggest, Ive heard people do that with varying success
>>42746349
In my opinion about weight cycling, I think people think that you can just eat whatever you want and how much you want and the fat and weight gain is going to go to fem areas, yah even with cis women that is not going to happen. Treat it like how those gymcels and those bodybuilder treat a bulk and cut, but not that extreme. Try slowly gaining 10-20 lbs in like 4-6 month period while exercising, building small amounts of muscle, then diet down back down slowly again. FYI lose skin starts to be "lose skin" when losing more than 25lbs in a rapid setting, and the vice versa. Again imo, even people who tried pio, ive noticed the people that say it didn't work wasn't really exercising and was doing what I said before, compared to the people who said it worked and they regularly exercised and their diet wasn't garbage and didnt try to gain alot of weight fast.

>topical micro dose testosterone gel applied to breasts to induce growth
does it work on other parts of the body as well?

ten

I am getting back on HRT after 4 years off, I'm at normal male T levels (1000ish). I want to cut T pretty quickly - should I get on spiro for just a few months, and then go to estrogen/prog after T levels are down?

When I first transitioned (8 years ago, was on for 4, now been off for 4), that was what I did and I had really good results.

is t no longer available through d.o. ?

>>42739133

may i ask where you are getting your raws from these days?

>>42747006
this is a horrific hondose. if youre doing weekly ev injections you need to do at least 6mg, but even then your levels will be incredibly unstable. like other anons said, most trannies on ev are doing 4mg/5d or 2.5mg/3d
not sure how your specific docs are, not all pp pcps are evil. if yours seems good, just be up front with them, see if you can get your dose adjusted. mine was definitely evil so i just purposefully skipped doses before labs and they never noticed. i did end up switching to diy shortly afterwards tho, once youve gotten the initial tests out of the way theres not really a good reason to stick with an informed consent clinic unless your insurance is genuinely incredible. in my experience, prescription e with insurance was still pricier than diy e, so i was only saving on cost of labs

>>42751394
>People say it helps finish breast growth, also people say it helps their mood, their sex drive, but also that it did not do anything and it worsen their mood, more YMMV
More interested in dose.
There's what the doctors will give me.
and there's what will actually work.

>>42757419
>what will actually work
well theres no evidence that it works in the first place, so, kinda impossible to give you a dose that will actually work lol
that being said, anecdotally youll want to boof 100-200mg/0.5-1d. exact dosing is highly variable, a good starting dose is probably 200mg/1d. again, theres no evidence that this actually works, so i dont think youre gonna get much more reliable dosing info than that. mpa might get better results but youd have to ask a latam tranny. not sure about the dosing on that one

>>42751394
Damn, your list has a seller for the DHT gel (Andractim) but it's $300 for a single tube, and no guarantee it would get through customs... Thanks anyway, this is first lead I have.

>>42756426
I don't use raws, I usually just buy vials of test... Dozens and dozens of domestic options for that at very affordable costs, but it's so hard to find this damn DHT gel. It's different from regular androgel and is pretty much only useful for improving bottom growth, I assume regular roiders don't really want it because it makes you go bald extra fast.

I've been on E and Spiro for a year now, am I infertile lol? I still coom just as normally as I used to, but now that my porn brain has settled down I want to bank my coom before I go full NUTS OFF XDDDDDD

All injection supplies arrived. Now I gotta wait on the French post to get their shit together.
Aaaahhhh the wait.
Been procrastinating getting my blood drawn for different reasons for two months. I'm wondering what would happen if they suddenly detect E. Like with how health insurance treats this and stuff.

If I did ~18 months of pills then stopped for a while (on the scale of years) does it make more sense to start again from pills (e/some kind of antiandrogen) or go to injections?

>>42759643
just tell em not to worry about it, i don't think you have to justify anything

>>42759968
Not really worrying, just interested in how much information gets transferred.

>>42758841
Proper levels would have your cum turn completely clear. If it is, yes you're probably infertile. If its cloudy or white, your levels are likely shit and you need to get on injections

>>42755213
>>42759873
You can do AA like spiro or bica and E pills, You can just do Estrogen Monotherapy, with a high enough loading dose and weekly injections of 4-6mg of EEn, your T levels should be suppressed in weeks. then you can add prog as you wish, or if your extremely paranoid about your T you can do bica for about 3 months with 4mg of EEn weekly injections, then stop the Bica and either go up to 5-6mg of EEn or stay at 4, if T is suppressed.
>>42757419
>there's what will actually work
Yah Prog is just a big trial and error for dosage and administration. >>42757493, gave the "typical" regimen and dosage, I have heard people say they cycle their prog 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, some take 100mg daily then cycle another 100mg either orally or boofing it, some just take 200mg orally other 200mg boofing it, other take MPA to avoid the mental side effects of bio prog good or bad or you just dont have to take prog.
>>42758841
what is your does for E and Spiro? if its not a hon dose you might have to stop to regain fertility, but the only way to know for sure is to check your fertility.

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3 months on E currently, doing 4 pumps since the mid of december. Did my first blood exams last friday since I started it and got 168 pg/ml of E and 7,3 ng/dL of T. I'm suspecting it a bit since the T level seems really low ,I did my last 2 pumps of gel like, 8 pm, skipped my morning application and did the tests at 6 am-ish, so not a perfect 12 hour gap, idk how much this affected or if it affected at all any results

>>42733398
>how do people use t-gel on their dicks without masculinization?
anons pls answer i dont want to lose my dick

>>42760868
On that note, what would happen when injecting E into the ball sack?

>>42760140
does that mean porn tranners hondose because they often have lots of white cum

I just went to a harm reduction centre and got a bunch of insulin needles, they should be fine for both drawing and injecting sub q right? I used an 18 gauge to draw and a 28 to inject until now

>>42761156
yeah thats what i do

>>42761029
They go off hrt some time before shooting for that effect. Otherwise there's the cumstack that some do, but I think that only increases volume, not color but idk

AI told me im non binary
How much can my body change if I start taking half a dose of estrogen gel a trans girl usually uses?

>>42761336
>transitioning because a chatbot told you to
Do you have any degree of free will or developed subjectivity?

>>42761398
nahh i considered hrt before even AI was like this
i just want to know if the dose is substantial

>>42761336
>>42761623
microdosing estrogen, which seems to be what you're hinting at, is a thing some people do but you probably wont find many people here doing it here since its gonna be troons all the way

>>42760774
Im not too confident with the trough when doing gel, but if those levels are from monotherapy and close enough to trough then those are perfect. monotherapy you are trying to reach 200-300 pg/mL with T levels around 10-50 ng/mL. If you feel good these past months then no need to change anything
>>42760868
the amount and how often it is used to keep your dick working is negligible, if your levels are good
>>42761336
what is your goal for taking estrogen?

Restarted hrt recently, planning on getting on minox. Should I bother with fin/duta or is it redundant on monotherapy?

how do i stop always being tired? i could sleep about 12 hours per day and when i'm awake i'm still mostly too tired to do anything but i don't want to keep taking naps. even if i megadose caffeine i still feel lethargic. i started doing cardio and strength training about a month ago but it hasn't helped much so far.

levels should be fine, e was 130 pg/ml at trough and t was 29 ng/dl

>>42763618
130pg/mL could actually be low for you. play around with it.

beyond that try adderall?

>>42763546
fin/duta is redundant all of the time if ur on HRT

>>42728748
bump

>>42763759
I cut my dose in half but I still take dut half a year in because why not set myself up for success

>>42763618
how's your diet? get a blood test and check for vitamin deficiencies etc

hi im trying to convince myself to switch to injections because i cant afford to buy transdermals anymore and decided to look into subq but my irrational terrified of stabbing myself brain is convincing myself im going to accidentally inject too far in and hit muscle and cause pain etc. is this even possible or am i overthinking, im pretty skinny and am looking at 1/2" needles. should i go for 3/8" instead?

>>42765488
>im going to accidentally inject too far in and hit muscle
shade to IM truthers, but you will be fine even if you do.
>1/2" needles
it will be kinda hard to inject into a muscle, your just overthinking everything.

>>42728748
Last time i got my blood done, my T was 1.3, and ive only been gaining weight in my belly, does it make sense to lose my weight and then gain weight when my T is lower?

>>42765137
diet is okayish. i take a multivitamin each day + some extra vit d. on last blood test, vitd b12 iron magnesium and thyroid hormones were all fine, other stuff i didn't test for.

i wake up with RLS sometimes and don't know how much that is affecting me or what to do about it. ferritin was 160 ng/ml

>>42763628
how do i get adderall

>>42757397
Noted, I’ll see about the 5 day cycle. I kind of prefer the week just because it made it easy for me to remember since it would always be on the same day. But I can get used to it.
Believe it or not, my insurance is fucking awesome, and I pay like $25 for a 5ml vial. It’s just much easier than fucking around with crypto. Granted that may be changing soon since I’m leaving my current job, but hopefully the next hospital I work at will have similar benefits.

how important are blood tests for MtFs? do i need a reference before i start DIYing and just where/how do i get one in germany and what do i ask for? Im pretty socially anxious so even if i weren't messing with my hormones i would be too scared to ask for one but at the same time i am desperate and suicidal enough to go blind to be desu

>>42761739
i thought some people here could hvae some insights

>>42762188
look more fem, i dont dislike being a guy but i have a desire for looking androgynous, more feminine

How do I get a blood test on diy injections without getting scolded by the endo? I switched months ago but still haven't gotten my levels checked because it makes me nervous

>>42766894
If you're going to be doing injections on a reasonable dose, you're probably going to be fine without a blood test at first. All the really nasty side effects are from anti androgens. You will want one eventually though, for peace of mind that your levels are good and particularly that your testosterone is blocked properly. In germany, you can just make an appointment with an endocrinologist and tell them that you need a blood test and for what reason. How thrilled they're going to be to help you with diy is going to be highly variable and it will probably take you half a year to even get seen, so what I'd recommend is starting diy injections asap while waiting for that appointment.

>>42766894
>>42768311
Apparently DM started to offer blood tests.
Currently only in two stores and it doesn't specifically list E, only T.

>>42768409
They should expand that. I want to know my levels, but I never want to talk to a doctor about being trans ever again

is it normal to have leakage with subQ?
im switching from IM to subQ and i've had fluid leaking out both times i tried this.
if its not normal what am i supposed to do to fix it? go deeper? change angle?
>>42768311
cant you just skip the doctor and just go to the blood test place and get tested for whatever in germany?

>>42766804
>I’ll see about the 5 day cycle
definitely do 5 day cycle if possible. remember that ev has a half life of like 4 days so if you do 7 days, your e2 levels are basically getting slashed by 4x over the week. back of the envelope math says if you do 6mg/7d (the dose i recommended earlier), you go from ~475pg/ml at peak to ~170pg/ml at trough.
4mg/5d will keep you between ~200-400. obviously the ideal is 2.5mg/3d, which would keep you between ~275-350, which is roughly comparable to 5mg/7d een, but that is probably not necessary and injecting every 3 days is a fucking nightmare

>Believe it or not, my insurance is fucking awesome, and I pay like $25 for a 5ml vial
at what concentration? 5ml at 20mg/ml is pretty incredible (like 3x cheaper than what i got!) but still worse than diy
just for the record diy costs are ~$50 for 10ml 40mg/ml which would be $12.50 for an equivalent amount, which is half your current cost. its hard to emphasize how cheap diy is unless your insurance is just the best insurance on the planet

>It’s just much easier than fucking around with crypto
that's true tho, if money isnt a huge problem the ~$30 savings a year probably arent worth the cost lol

>>42768565
That's not really a thing here but as the other anon said, apparently dm is starting to offer that

>>42768604
this is so crazy
but how? if dm is doing that it's not forbidden yeah? how was it not a thing until 5 seconds ago???? do blood test labs hate money or what?

>>42768565
Happens to me every so often. You can try either the air lock method with subq or z tracking with IM. Personally I just take the alcohol wipe I used to clean the vial and my leg and I gently press down on the injection spot for a minute or two. I haven't seen this recommended anywhere but I also doubt it's bad in any way.

>>42768096
diy blood test. are you in the us?

>>42768565
are you leaving the needle in for a while after injecting? how quickly are you injecting? are you air locking? ftr i leave the needle in for 15 seconds after injecting and dont airlock and i dont get much leakage with subq.

>>42768623
Apparently I was wrong. You can do that here, I had just never heard of it before. Sorry to the other anon for my bad advice, I'm going to schedule a test now

>>42768623
It's not DM staff.
dm [] de/services/gesundheitsdienstleistungen/aware

>>42768627
>>42768664
im not air locking it honestly freaks me out
i know its bullshit and nothing happens to you but im really a paranoid pussy
maybe i will try leaving the needle in for longer, to be honest i take it out of my thigh immediately so that might be it
>>42768672
lol i was seriously freaking out like how is that even possible
like you can do that anywhere even in my shithole country, only difference is that you have to pay out of your own pocket without prescription from your doctor, how is that not a thing in germany????
>>42768682
yeah so it is widely available elsewhere too probably

>>42768719
Nobody here pays out of pocket for anything. You either have the public insurance and wait a year to get an appointment for any tiny thing if you can get one at all or you have private insurance and get treated like royalty. I have never heard of anyone paying for anything out of pocket for anything except plastic surgery

>>42766894
>>42768096
if us i found out you can get a referral and just to test/est on this one https://www.privatemdlabs.com/ its like $70 but with the referral link from someone else its $20 or even free sometimes and they have a lab like 5 min away from me. apparently you set it up before just walk in and they id you then take the blood and text you results no questions. i think this might be even less expensive/intrusive more private than going through insurance or clinic

>>42768719
>i will try leaving the needle in for longer
that worked for me. you gotta let the pressure equalize and the liquid spread out or ittll try to come back out the way it went in, but even then i dont think the amount that leaks is significant

>>42768786
heads up, the cheap tests youre talking about are ia tests. if you want free t lcmsms from privatemd its like $80

>>42767164
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/18nMfebOezEGbFXOo-9DHwUK8mbKP5TG0wem2toCaVE8
>look more fem
Okay, there are many ways of going through with that, You can read that google doc I linked that is just one way of nb hrt, fair warning that the anon who wrote that, later identified as a trans woman rather than nb and its old.

>>42728748
I just started taking oral prog in the hopes that it will increase breast growth and sex drive but I haven’t really experienced increased sex drive since starting it, how long does it usually take? I’m tired of not being horny ever.

>>42768892
Oral prog just made me tired. You need to shove it up your ass

>>42768719
>yeah so it is widely available elsewhere too probably
Yeah maybe. It was just something I stumbled across recently, but I have no idea about how much similar services charge in general or how the coverage is.

>>42768944
The lab near me charges 250 euros for a full sex hormone panel. If you limit it to just t, e, prl, fsh and lh can cut it down to 180

bump

>>42768954
atp dont even get fsh and lh and only get prolactin if ur on cypro or domperidoneTBH

>>42770427
I'm on monotherapy so fsh and lh matter more than prolactin

how long does it take to go from tanner 4 > 5 breasts wise. my areola have been puffy for a year or two, should i take prog ?

is 28 too late?

how do the trans pornstars still cum? im onlt 6wks in and there's nothing that comes out anymore other than a transparent syrup.. :/ (5mg een, weekly)

I'm ready for injections
Where do I get an auto-injector and what do I need to know?

What should my E levels actually be ? mine hovers around 200 pg/ml which I thought was fine but I'm worried it might be too low.

>>42771735
look up "the cum stack" and keep in mind that your cum will be primarily composed of fluid and not semen

bump

>>42770576
do you even need that or just e/t?
>>42770427
>atp dont even get fsh and lh
why?

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My chest is getting quite prominent even with this shaper bodysuit, holy shit aaah

>>42771621
arguably any age is too late
its up to you

>>42768682
thanks for this, booked an appointment. expensive but better than telling the government that i’m on hrt imo

>>42774928
*squeeze*

>>42774385
Monotherapy works by suppressing the hpg axis, and fsh and lh show whether that's working. So its a good idea to check at least on a first test after starting injections

my estrogen is at 909pg/mL
and my testosterone is <3ng/dL
is this good?
i inject 10mg of estradiol valerate a week

la poste now taking 3 times longer than when i order anything from *makes orangeman lips* CHINA
and my country is literally in the eu right next to france
what are they doing with my estradiol

>>42776113
Your e is about 3 times higher than it needs to be and your t is too low. Try reducing your dosage to 6mg per week

>>42776081
good to know thanks

aaa

>>42779319
bbb

>>42776081
LH is the most important thing to test for when doing monotherapy, since it tells you if your testicles are still producing testosteron. Not sure why you would need FSH, unless you are planning on using e as a contraceptive

>>42776113
inject less
you're wasting it

>>42772678
that's fine only if your T levels are fine

>>42772287
>Where do I get an auto-injector
you don't. it's wasteful and unnecessary.

I started HRT two weeks ago and I feel less dissociated but it has also made me REALLY FUCKING SLEEPY all the damn time is this normal or are my levels too low? I cannot be failing college over this
4mg EEn weekly

>>42780818
It happened to me when I first started too. My levels were fine. I think for some people it can take a while to acclimate to the new hormones, but yeah if I hadn't been neet back then it would have been a problem. It got better after a month or so I think

>>42780818
this might be unrelated see a doctor and get a full blood exam

>>42780866
this will be difficult because i dont have a car and live with my parents (im doing hrt without labs), if i ask them to take me theyll obviously be suspicious, ill see how im feeling after a month if i dont die
>>42780843
what dose did you start on
>but yeah if I hadn't been neet back then it would have been a problem
i should have trooned during my gap year...

>>42781048
I didn't start on injections, back then I was on 6mg pills and 12.5mg cypro

I have no plans on taking HRT just wondering if you guys behave like women now and can only act based on your emotions.

>>42781154
HRT does not cure autism unfortunately

If I bled a lot after my injection does that mean the dosage is wasted and should inject somewhere else or am I fine for a week?

>>42780083
ok ty, my T was 16 at my last test

does anyone know a hrt supplier that ships within canada that isn't open gate labs? since they decided to fuck over everyone

>>42782692
you just nicked a vein on the way down you're fine

How long does it usually take for going off an anti androgen to get hard again? I've only been on HRT for three months and was recently too sick to maintain it properly, now I think it shrunk and I can't get it up at all, do I like stop taking it for a few weeks till it goes back to it original size and actually try to maintain it this time? I have breast buds now so I'm not sure if this plan will mess with it or not.

Im doing injections behind my endos back and she said if i want to do them then I need to search for another endo
how early do i need to switch back to the pills so my estrone levels come up and I dont have estradiol so it looks like Im taking pills in my blood test?

I dont want her to dismiss me but also I dont want to stop doin injections

also, should I inject less if im also on a gnrh agonist every 3 months which makes my T levels as if I had orchi?

>>42784863
what do you need her for

I want to get my dht levels checked on my next blood test to make sure it's not raised from progesterone, but the labs near me don't offer it on tests. Is this just an uncommon thing to test for so most don't do it? All the ones that I could find that offer it are far away

my thigh is all red and swollen after starting to inject subQ :(
is this normal? with IM i was sore but it looked normal

AAAAHHHH
The wait is killing me. I want my E already! Hurry up, frog post!

WHERE DO I GET MORE IN STOCK PROGESTERONE AAAAAA

>>42787238
Sourcing diy prog is really hard lately. Best bet is probably getting raws

>>42787281
Isn't that like a daily injection?

>>42787394
No, its a powder that you mix into coconut oil, shape into suppositories and shove up your ass. You can get it the same places that have e raws

>>42784636
>since they decided to fuck over everyone
??

>>42784914
same plus its way more expensive. kinda sucks

I'm switching over to injection monotherapy from sublingual estradiol+spiro, my doctor didn't advise me on any routine for getting off spiro. Should I ween myself off it or just stop taking it? I'm on 100mg (50 twice daily)

>>42787904
>ordered 1 month ago
>shipping label created
>2 weeks ago "hey guys im retiring but it'll totally be fine" (doesn't specify if they're still going to ship within canada)
>sending out refunds and delays to canadian customers
>still only says "shipping label created"
>everyone i know who uses them is still waiting and hasn't been refunded or updated
>no other brewer in canada that i can find
im so fucking close to just buying raws and equipment and brewing it for myself and friends

>>42788758
do it, with the way things are going it'll be good to have lower profile, more decentralized brewers

>>42787428
Oh, thanks. Do i need equipment for that?

>>42788837
I'd guess it goes like this: calculate a good mix for the amount of coconut oil you have AND the desired dosage per desired suppository volume (I bet there are tables or other guides out there).
coconut oil has a low melting point. Body warmth is enough.
so either pour it into a mould or just leave it in the mix container.
let it cool/solidify a bit until it's like putty. You could throw it in the fridge for a minute or so too. Then make it smooth, trying not to have too much oil stick to your hands or gloves. Throw it in the freezer to make it easier to handle and you're ready to go.

I was on HRT for 4 years from age 19-23, I am now 27 getting back on. I only ever had tanner III breast growth, and after getting off HRT they've shrunk so it looks like i just have gynecomastia. When I was on E 19-23 I was on progesterone for 2 years 22-23.

What can I do to increase breast growth this time? Should I start progesterone right away, or wait for estrogen to get my T levels down? I am doing estrogen monotherapy starting next week. T levels in normal male range rn.

ty <3

>>42728748
Anybody have experience doing sublingual estradiol without an AA just at a high dose? Like 8mg sublingual e daily, spread out to 2-4 doses? Getting back on spiro is killing me but I have to take something until my appointment to get injections comes up

>>42728748
Mtf here my t levels are only at 6ng/dl and I'm taking 150mg spironolactone, should I even bother trying to get my levels up to female ranges if I'm getting srs in a few months since I'll have to figure it out again

>>42789112
you are in a little uncharted territory. it might be better to open with estradiol and then start prog cycles/dosing. i am basing this on passive progesterone already in your body having terminated ducts while you weren't dosing estradiol.

if anyone has another perspective please chime in.

>>42791526
spread out your doses. 3-4 times minimum, with a large ass dose before bed. i would also be sussed out at 8mg. sometimes 10mg a day is not enough to suppress T production to a level we want it at.

>>42791772
150mg of spiro to block 6ng/dL of T is beating a dead horse. whatever estradiol you are dosing is suppressing your T production into the floor and you don't need that much spiro at all. you probably won't see a difference in androgenic effects if you stopped it entirely, but you can also play with a lower dose of 25-75mg if you are super worried.

>>42788222
injections reach their trough after 2-3 cycles for cypionate and enanthate with valerate its even quicker. you don't need to take an AA after this point if your levels are good enough. your troughs at the tail end of the first two dosing periods will be low though, so especially during these times it can be useful to stay on an AA if you are especially cautious.

>>42784664
i would not advice going off your AA.

>>42770999
yes.

>>42784863
I'd say like 5 days on pills for estrone to come up, but you might need 2-3 weeks off injections for estradiol to drop to an expected level, depending on your dosage and the ester that you're using. I'd recommend finding a different doctor that is ok with you doing diy and will still give you the gnrha though

And yes, you can inject less if you're on an AA. I'm on goserelin and do 2mg of estradiol cypionate weekly. It seems to put me at just under 500 pmol/L at trough which is enough

>>42792494
I found a solution between then and now for the AA lol, I'll still lower the dosage for it instead of completely going off it but viagra did help, I was being paranoid and panicking a lot then since it's still roughly the same

how would I get a vial and insulin syringes through TSA? The vial has a "peppermint oil" label on it but that might be just obviously suspicious. What do I do?

these votre envois ARE MaKiNg me THIRSTY

How long does raw estradiol enanthate powder last? I'm considering getting some to make a stash, and I'm wondering how much it realistically makes sense to get for just myself

ik this is a retarded question but if i do an im injection and a little bit leaks out should i do it again or cope and sneed until my next injection day

>>42794939
Unless it was a massive amount, you should just wait. Its normal for a small drop to leak out and that wont have a major effect, unlike doing a whole other injection, which would spike your levels.
You can minimize leakage by leaving the needle in for about 20 seconds before pulling out

I gave up on ever receiving my AV package. What are some other good options for diy in europe? Where did you get your E from, eu nonas?

>>42795107
Voix Celeste might still have some stock, they're closing down though

>>42795107
i got it from AV lol

>>42794075
a long time. it should be >95% potent after 2 years if in a cool dry place away from sun. if you put it in a sealed amber jar about the same size as the contents with neutral gas like how they use argon for wine since its heavier than air it will push the oxygen out of the jar and then you stick it the jar in foil in a bag at the bottom of your freezer or other cold but importantly temperature stable(not a fridge door) my educated guess would be that it would last decades but theres no guarantees. you would have to do it it and send it to a lab like they do to check for purity cause no one has done it yet. also dont mix it into oil until 2-5 years from use or you risk the oil going bad. still no temp and no oxygen means no breakdown idk how it even could if you do it right

>>42797455
Thanks, that makes a long term stash really viable and will take a lot of anxiety off me. You seem knowledgeable, could you point me in the direction of more resources for homebrewing?

>>42795107
i heard there were heavy rain storms and a strike until the 28th maybe give it a couple of days more