women have clitorises, women have lots of estrogen, clitoris is the SAME EXACT tissue as a penis, just smaller and with a slightly different shape, and clitorises can get hard and orgasm fine on test, in fact ftms say test makes them cum harder

so I think someone is lying

men with total ED experience penile atrophy too, even though their testosterone and estrogen levels are within norms for their gender. i believe its just the lack of erections that causes the atrophy in transwomen, not e itself.

>>42813017
the thing that makes me doubt this is that E causes changes in the color and texture of the skin of the penis too and those cant possibly be due to erections

>>42813109
it just doesn't make intuitive sense to me. if you are able to get a full erection, why would your tissue experience atrophy?

>>42813006
It's not the same, clits don't have the corpus cavernosum

Testosterone has a role in penile function but nobody's sure of the specifics (doi: 10.1038/sj.ijir.3901030, PMID: 12934045)

>>42813183
>>42812997
Reading up on this a bit more, it looks like atrophy in the penis is largely in smooth muscle and skin elasticity. So, more E -> less T -> lower libido and no nocturnal erections -> no bloodflow and no exercise -> atrophy of smooth muscle, loss of skin elasticity

In addition to no T directly affecting the penis tissues in some way. But it's mostly the lack of erections (and weaker ones when they do happen)

>>42813006
im ftm and i can confirm i cum way harder on T. i got a little addicted when i first started bc of how T affects the clit

>>42813109
i'm not arguing either way but that doesn't follow logically since the frequent stretching could encourage changes in the skin

although i will say the fact that i'm post op and take estrogen cream internally is probably an interesting point for this discussion too

it is due to lack of erections.
I was asked to maintain them to ensure the best possible srs outcome. Worked just fine until a day before surgery.

>>42815342
whats the estrogen cream for

>>42813183
you are full of shit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_cavernosum_of_clitoris

bump

>>42812997
Its due to being a good girl, now take your HRT! Limp lil clitties ONLY!

>frog thread that isn't utter shit
i will remember this day

>>42813128
Without proper, and regular circulation all tissue atrophy. Many people stop experiencing sleep/morning erections on E, and in the case of many lowered libido or non-daily gooning trans, things begin to shrink. Some do even with regular "maintenance"

>>42816684
to put in my pussy hole?

>>42821967
yeah but why
like what does it do

>>42822003
for the health in my vagina
to make sure the floras are good and to protect the tissue from being damaged

I'm a 4 year HRT, AAP gooner and I've had zero dick atrophy. The colour on the underside of it got darker but yeah I think it's the lack of erections which cause atrophy.

>>42822814
aap? surely you meant agp?

>>42812997
for an interesting anecdote, ive been on relatively high e2 injections (resulting in 400 to 600pg/ml throughs) for nearly 5y and also bica (100mg per day) and never once have i gotten any penile atrophy, and I'm not getting erect. I also have no ejaculate at all coming out during sex and if any, then just very sticky clear dribble.

I took cypro for 3 months and my penis shrunk like 1 inch, so im gonna go out on a limp and say that something about LH/FSH suppression in the gonads is what makes it atrophy

>>42823164
isnt e2 on its own going to suppress LH/FSH?

>>42822907
I get hard fantasizing about being flat chested and other retarded masculine things

>>42823351
but why are you on hrt then

>>42823967
testosterone made me really ugly. hrt didn't help much but at least I tried

>>42826844
i bet ur cute tho

>>42827528
my face looks like like it was chewed on by rats every night for the last ten years.