>>42822060
get a job nigga

biological SEX .

>>42822066
No that's different
I mean the internal stuff yk

>>42822072
Too many fag terms. Elaborate

>>42822060
i don't think it matters i have a vagina when i am talking to you (wr are not going to have sex)

>>42822084
i think by biological gender they mean internal identification, like the inherent gender a person trends towards. for example a cis man's ""biological gender"" would be male while a tranny's would be female even if they didn't know they were a tranny yet or identified as one.

>>42822084
There's someone's sex which is their appearance

Then there's their gender identity

And then there's the social gender that they have in society

"Biological gender" sounds better than "identity" and doesn't make it sound like you can identify as whatever you want

>>42822091
Are you esl

>>42822072
In this framing, biological and social gender should be the same thing, no?
If they are discordant, than gender dysphoria arises because how you are externally perceived does not match your internal conception of self. In equilibrium there would be no difference between the two.

>>42822109
It's not the same before you transition

People also feel dysphoric over appearance

>>42822108
i am drunk

>>42822119
I think this is kind of splitting hairs. People are generally seen as their natal sex, which implies being seen as the gender associated with this sex, and if they do not want to be, gender dysphoria arises. Dysphoria itself implies these two figurative genders are discordant so it's a bit redundant. Like if a trans woman has gender dysphoria, then this means her "social gender" (male) does not match her "biological gender" (female), so she is transitioning to correct her social gender.

>>42822101
Big agree on the use of "identify". I think saying a trans person "identifies as x" is at best third-gendering and a soft form of misgendering. Saying "is x" is what should actually be said because it does not imply a degree of separation.

>>42822178
Having only one type of dysphoria without the other is an exception to the norm so should only need clarifying in that particular context, e.g. specifically stating a lack of a type of dysphoria.

>>42822060
Nobody thinks of ts
People don't interrogate anything about life that doesn't cause them friction, for most people the only gender issue is "They're like aliens why is the bad gender making my life so shit?"

>>42822178
>Like if a trans woman has gender dysphoria, then this means her "social gender" (male) does not match her "biological gender" (female), so she is transitioning to correct her social gender.

Yeah
And to change her appearance as well, which according to transmedicalists means changing sex

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>>42822188
see ^

One could argue that to consistently pass as another gender, biological modification is needed, but if not or it is not desired, then the above and thereby the redundancy argument still applies

>>42822060
why don't we recognise "traumatic gender" too... that's what the terfs are fighting us over really. the idea that an upbrining under misogyny leaves wounds that deserve recognition as a class seperate from "social gender"

>>42822060
So "AGAB" and "gender/gender identity"?

>>42824212
>>42824219
I don't know enough to speak about gender stuff sorry

>>42822101
M'repressor
Sex is not your appearance
It is your gamete / organ configuration for making more of your species

"SRS" is marketing. Troons would not be as enticed by "penis origami clinic".

>>42824244
Agab = assigned gender at birth (biological gender)
Gender / gender identity = what you are / present as / identify as aside from biosexo

>>42824244
i'm not in gender studies either, but if you've heard enough terf rhetoric, you should get what i'm talking about? desu i think the split between radfems and the trans/lgbt movement is sinister: we should be able to recognise the importance of eachother's concerns and build a new synthesis, but it had to get lost in a semantic debate. divide and conquer ig. tbf the landscape is a little different in china from what i've seen.

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>there were 44 threads made by veltail last month
>there have been 7 so far in march

>>42824269
I know
>>42824280
Yeah

>>42822060
So am i like the murderer gender or something??

>>42824317
Bio gender is just another word for gender identity but it sounds better

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>>42822060
>still believing in biology in the year of our lord 1447

>>42824444
1447?