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• Help, advice, guidance on meds and dosages
• HRT related medical experiences and research
• Availability and pricing of medications
• Rational and scientific discussion
See following post for a pharmacy list.
Survey: https://1drv.ms/xs/s!AudRJceTA5C9c2G5lCV2Avq0kQ0
▶ Survey data: https://1drv.ms/x/s!AudRJceTA5C9cyIWo6_X14AvHyM
▶ HRTGen Data Analysis: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AudRJceTA5C9gRLLWnbpdzlIxe4r
▶ HRT Info Sheets: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AudRJceTA5C9gQnyM7wxZcBGWRzW
▶ Pill ID: https://www.drugs.com/imprints.php
▶ DrugBank: https://www.drugbank.com/
▶ Basic HRT: https://apps.carleton.edu/campus/gsc/assets/hormones_MTF.pdf
▶ HRT ranges: https://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/hrt_ref.htm
▶ Powers Method: https://powersfamilymedicine.com/s/Healthcare-of-the-Transgender-Patie nt-V60.pptx
▶ Endocrine Society Guidelines: https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/102/11/3869/4157558
▶ Transline Guidelines (with bicalutamide): https://transline.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/36004770205 3/TransLine_HRT_Guidelines_FINAL.pd f
▶ WPATH SOC: https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc
▶ TransDIY: https://www.reddit.com/r/transDIY
▶ Blood tests (US): https://www.privatemdlabs.com/, https://www.labsmd.com/
▶ Blood tests (UK, Ireland): https://www.medichecks.com/
▶ Blood tests (Canada Only): https://bloodtestscanada.com/
▶ Blood tests (Sweden): https://werlabs.se/
▶ Blood tests by mail: https://www.letsgetchecked.com/ DIY capillary blood samples. Expensive.
▶ Lab test guide: https://www.healthcare.uiowa.edu/
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Lists of pharmacies:
▶https://diyhrt.market
▶https://transfemscience.org/
▶https://pghrt.diy/
▶https://estrannai.se Hormone Graph visualizer
▶https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/t-shipping.aspx - Has been popular in the US. Ships from Vanuatu to some countries.
▶ euaibolitatgmaildotcom - Ships from EU to Worldwide.
▶https://unitedpharmacies-uk.md/ (UK only) - Ships from HK.
▶https://unitedpharmacies.md/ (US only) - Ships from HK.
▶https://alldaychemist.com/ - Ships from India to some countries.
▶https://shape-shifter.webnode.page/ - Ships from Turkey to Worldwide.
▶https://stayhealthynow.co/ - Ships from Turkey to Worldwide
▶https://amazing4health.com/ - Ships from Thailand to Worldwide.
▶https://favskinhouse.com/ - Ships from Thailand to Worldwide.
▶https://goodstuffstore.net/ - Ships from Thailand to Worldwide.
▶https://otc-online-store.com/ - Ships from Russia to Worldwide.
▶https://www.weborderpharmacy.md/ (US only) - Ships from India.
▶https://www.weborderpharmacy-uk.md/(UK only) - Ships from India.
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>>43137300
desu it's not really whether prog levels are consistent it's moreso whether it'll help with breast growth
albeit i started with 100mg at month 6, with being on 200mg since month 8. now I'm at year 1 and 2 weeks of hrt
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>>43138081
way easier to look through weightlifting/doping forums dear, not as many resources here that dont take a lot of personal research and problem solving. Someone else already did all that, only they're using it to pick up big things
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>>43137172
iirc ralox is a bit of a meme, i've spoke with people before that said it wasn't helpful, no idea on hCG
you could try topical Estriol (E3) for skin and Duta for bodyhair maybe, but i've no clue how effective it'd be with an androgen-dominant endocrine system
might be a case of - easiest to just commit to E and get keyhole early, like with how it's easier to just get hair transplants for MPB instead of fucking around with tons of niche chemicals and peptides
>>43137194
it probably increases cancer risk (from involution cycle) but like not beyond cis female levels, also it's way cheaper yes
I cycle 2 on 2 off mainly for the savings
>>43137256
i've noticed taking duta stops the mood swings for me, also had sleep issues on prog and it stopped those too
still makes me hella hungry tho
>>43139585
there's enzymes in the testicles and seminal vesicles that'll process it into androgenic metabolites, you're possibly restoring their function a bit like with how boofing prog reverses prostate atrophy a little
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>>43139975
>enzymes in the testicles and seminal vesicles that'll process it into androgenic metabolites
ah crap, so I shouldn't spray it on there? I've been doing it that way because the place I bought it said to use thighs or balls
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>>43140003
to be honest with you i've got no clue, transdermal prog is new to me like I had no idea it was a thing
i'd just stick to the instructions, testicles is good place for systemic absorption anyways and if your T is suppressed you shouldn't technically have gonadotrophins telling them to wake up and do anything
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>>43137136
I’ve decided to start diy hrt but i have few questions like how do i do crypto lol i live in the us can i use cash app to buy it off open gate labs and also how good is open gate labs and im gonna get Estradiol Enanthate since it seems the most convenient is there a better choice for injections?
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>>43141717
>can i use cash app
yeah but it gave me shit last time and wouldnt let me transfer out so i used coinbase. i had existing accounts on both but cb will just do the regular kyc bullshit where they make you take a selfie and you wait a week for support to approve. at least thats how literally every site used to do it.
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Is this sorta 'damage' normal or is it cause for concern? the metal bit can rotate around but there are no leaks or anything. Stopper looks fine although getting the plastic top off felt a little sketchy. Am i just too shizo or is there smth actually wrong?
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>>43144942
its from symphony.
i don't know how these things are made but i would assume that there is some rubber seal instead of a hard crimp but if there are vials where it still doesn't spin i am a little concerned.
could have costumes fucked around with it or something?
Is sending symphony a email worth a try or are they actually gone?
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>>43143455
oh gosh err, i've been transitioning for nearly a decade so it's stuff i've picked up along the way - reading papers, talking with others, browsing forums etc
diy wiki & transfem science is a good start for basic/foundational knowledge, like the HPG axis and whatnot
sci-db (on anna's archive) lets you access academic publications for free, you just need the paper's DOI (basically reference #)
google scholar is okay for keyword searching for articles, patents etc
there's other sites i'm forgetting but you'll likely come across them searching around
there's useful info out there dispersed around the internet (i.e. forums), plenty of anecdata or misinterpreted excerpts but it serves as a good starting point to dive into research/academic stuff to corraborate
learning how to read and appropriately interpret papers and their findings is a skillset in itself to hone and build out, it's something to be practiced and, even then, i'm still a layperson at the end of the day, christ knows if i'm doing it right
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I compared my before and after pics from 8 months ago
I started on oral E and spiro (just oral E now)
and it is lifefuel x100 seeing the obvious changes from my hips getting rounder to my legs filling up
I knew I was meant to be a feminized faggot that's why my body is responding so well to it
my T levels were like <250 in my teens and I 100% have Klinefelter's because I tick off every single physical indicator for XXY
I AM THE ETERNAL GAY FEMME FAGGOT HAHAHAH BOOOYAH
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>>43145602
I've done a good amount of reading myself. But with progesterone, there are so many claims out there that are contradictory or just turn out to be generally false, or effects that only exist in some people but not others, that I don't know how to make heads or tails of it. It seems kind of generally under researched
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>>43146247
ah my bad
>there are so many claims out there that are contradictory or just turn out to be generally false, or effects that only exist in some people but not others
yeah, there's a lot of variation in people's health, genetics and HRT regimes unaccounted for that'll affect outcomes
>It seems kind of generally under researched
yup, it's underresearched like most trans & womens healthcare stuff generally is
>that I don't know how to make heads or tails of it
it's like oldschool medicine where people need to try it and see how it affects them, adjust things based on how their body responds to it (most important thing)
i guess viewing it through the lens of dysphoria, if taking it helps alleviate such then it's worth it, even if it's placebo
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>>43147699
by how much?
you can either just wait as long as your new dose will last or just inject your normal dose in one week again, it doesnt really matter that much if it only happens rarely, just dont do it too often.
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>>43147820
assuming een @40mg/mL
0.22mL @ 40mg/mL = 8.8mg
0.10mL @ 40mg/mL = 4mg
https://estrannai.se/#it0_c,,,2-7,7,2-4,7,2-4,7,2-8.8,7,2-4,12,2-4,7,2 _cu,4,7,2
11 days puts you ~20pg/mL above or +7% of the normal 286pg/mL peak @ 4mg/7day
13 days ~20pg/mL below -7%
12 days about ~5pg below
thats a ~1.7% difference
you could also do like 1mg at day 10 and then 4mg 3 days later
https://estrannai.se/#it0_c,,,2-7,7,2-4,7,2-4,7,2-8.8,7,2-1,10,2-4,4,2 -4,7,2-4,7,2_cu,4,7,2
that would bring you to 10pg below or -4% and keep the same day of week and obviously you can shift this either direction or change dose if you dont care about keeping it that close to the 4mg
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>>43148021
its een 50mg/ml.
i have been doing 6mg/week for 2 months..
im also silly and really bad with numbers
https://estrannai.se/#it0_c,,,2-6,7,2-6,7,2-6,7,2-13,7,2-1,10,2-4,3,2- 4,7,2-4,7,2-4,7,2-4,7,2-4,7,2-4,7,2 _cu,6,7,2
i think this is accurate in relation to what i have been doing. i think trying to lower my dose to 4mg or 5mg would be good. let me know if this is okay
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very recently switched to injections (5mg Een/week monotherapy) after approx. 3 years of 4mg sublingual + 50mg bica, which despite the relatively low E dosage gave me really good levels (180pg/mL "at through" by which i mean i got my blood drawn before taking my morning 2mg). how worried do i have to be about "rebound masculinization" from the bica making its way out of my system?
for reference my T levels were markedly low for being on bica (30ng/dL) so I'm pretty sure there was some sort of monotherapy-like action aleeady happening, but I'm scared of it only being possible due to extra E from aromatization from the bica. also maybe I'm going crazy but i swear i smell slightly different, not like man smell but still different, and also i think I'm sterting to get like basically cis woman hormonal acne, same places on the face and types of pimples, though that may be due to my skincare kinda slipping recently due to shitty stressful situations
i know that the usual advice would be to just keep taking the AA for the first month or so but i ran out a couple of days after my first injection (currently at week two and a halfish) and would really prefer not spending as much as i did for the whole vial on just one month's worth of bica (which i probably won't even use all of).
I've been taking some E pills i had left over to try to get my current levels close to what will eventually be the steady state injection levels and kick in mono therapy action early but idk if that's just honscience on my part
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How do you get a dutasteride prescription as a tranny?
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>switch to 3.5mg EEn/week monotherapy injections since a few months ago
>finally get to do bloodwork
>E 80 pg/mL; total T 47 ng/dL at trough
Assuming I'm hondosing myself, how much should I increase my dose by? I assume it's better to be above the target range, instead of below.
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im starting hrt this weekend, is there anything i should worry about?
my bmi is very low and im really skinny, do i need to do anything to prevent cone tits?
should i start eating a lot suddenly, wait a bit then eat a lot or just keep going normal?
sorry if these questions are kinda dumb, never really studied human biology and not sure for what to look out or study (would also appreciate knowing what mechanisms i should study in order to know exactly what hrt will do in my body)
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i feel like i cant control the piss stream as well as i used to
is this an effect of hrt or is it just in my head
>>43151237
they literally are lol. women approaching menopause do hrt and younger women are on birth control which is also basically hrt.
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>>43153899
>very low
>really skinny
im in the middle of figuring this out. i think you should just keep going as normal but maybe eat slightly more and healthier. take care of yourself. besides the cone tits, you know youre gonna need it and you have a reason to now yeah? dont "eat a lot" just be reasonable.
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>>43144942
mine spins too, i always thought it was normal? its from astrovials
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how do i stop fluid leakage after injecting? i had felt that the estrogen wasnt doing much for a while now and today i just noticed a lot leaking out after an injection, like enough to seriously lower my actual dosage i think. also is there any way to accurately tell how much im losing
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>>43154527
if you do subq after you're done pishing the plunger down release the pinch and leave the needle in for about 30 seconds or so. also if you've got a bit of chub where you're injecting (belly for example) it's better to inject like at a vertical, 90° angle to the skin. the 45° degree angle is if you're skinny or injecting somewhere with little fat tissue (like the arms for example, which we can avoid because unlike diabetics we only inject oncw every couple of days and not multiple times daily so we don't need to rotate injection sites as much)
if you do im do that + look up and learn z tracking
>is there any way to tell how much I'm losing
I don't think so, could be wrong though. worst comes to worst you could just inject extra E knowing that some is gonna get lost, but getting no leaks isn't that hard and is just better in every way
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bruh I was just looking into potentially going legit instead of DIY and shit is fucking ass. If I went legit you can only get Estradiol Val, right? At least that's all that's listed in goodrx, and the website for checking prescription costs with my insurance (that doesn't cover injectables at all) fuck that
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Am I still being hondosed at 4mg e and 25 mg bica around a year ago? I fucked over myself by purposely hondosing on 2mg e and 25 bica for over 6 years. I was a dumb hrt repper who cope with NB to a doc. I'm finally seeing some results.
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>>43155460
If you're american you can maybe also get cypionate. Enanthate is only legit available in latin America and even then only in combination with DHPA
>>43155502
Depends on your levels but probably yeah
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>>43151237
cis men and women spam hrt (anabolics) to get big, but only some recognize its power
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>>43154055
have you injected estrogen from that vial? is everything okay? Im the person with the symphony vial. To be it would make sense that as long as its clear it should be fine to use. probably won't last as long as intended but the vials made it in one piece so there is a seal still i think.
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i have gender dysphoria but mostly i just want to be an extremely feminine straight boy,
whats a good hrt femboy routine that i can diy? i've been thinking 60mg ralox 40mg relugolix and maybe 2mg buccal E. does this make sense?
i just wanna have feminine skin and a cute butt and tiny little blueberry sized tuckable balls
t. aspiring hrt femboy
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>>43158490
microdosing hrt is fake and gay and an actually harmful meme. if you don't suppress testosterone to female levels, you won't get much feminisation beyond maybe stopping balding if you're on a 5a reductase inhibitor. if you do manage to suppress to but don't get sufficient levels of e, you'll make yourself depressed and dumb and risk osteoporosis long term. if you manage to have both high t and e, you also won't feminise but might be risking prostate cancer. ralox might work or might not, results vary person to person and it's not clear they do so significantly more or less than in people who don't take it. just commit to hrt or don't bother
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>>43158633
not the aaker but i want to know if hrt is weight dependant and should i get valerate or enanthate.
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>>43158711
It's not weight dependent. There is a wide enough range of good levels that you don't need to consider it. If you can you should get enanthate. Valerate has very pronounced peaks and troughs so you either need to dose more often or deal with mood swings
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>>43158711
doesnt really matter which kind, it depends how often you want to inject. enanthate is most common and convenient for diy because you do it once a week, very simple.
weight matters in the sense that the hormones will only affect new fat you put on. which happens naturally but you can speed it up by weight cycling. results will depend on genes in the end, not on weight
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>>43137136
I have been doing DIY for a couple of years but recently I have been going through the NHS and they said they would give me the same levels of oestrogen through patches as I had been getting through injections. I had been doing 0.1-0.2 ml oestrogen enanthate intramuscularly, and they put me on two 'Evorel 100' patches twice a week, which are 100 micrograms every 24 hours and 6.4 mg in total per patch. The bloods will be done this month but I can already feel this new regimen is taking my levels so hard, it's like I just stopped taking oestrogen all together. Have they lowdosed me or is my skin unable to absorb oestrogen? I don't think I'm making it up because my sex drive dropped to nothing as if I had no hormones at all. Well I've doubled the amount I'm using to 4 twice weekly and maybe that can bring my levels back to normal, if all else fails I'm going back to im injections obviously but I want to keep doing patches until the blood test at least. Anyway what do you think? Should I stick to 2 patches even if it might not be enough to supress T and might kill me basically?
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>>43158816
I don't have to pay for it lol, I was just going on it for a month to check if it worked. Obviously the price isn't the issue for buying oestrogen but they keep opening every parcel when I buy them and I'm scared one day they will start stealing my vials and leaving me without a backup. So getting on this will give me the backup. Also I wouldn't able to get a blood test if I didn't do this shit.
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>>43158941
I'm on the dole and labs are like £100 which is my entire budget for HRT for the whole year. I don't really need it, when I've been doing DIY I've had great results guaging just on vibes, I just want blood test to make sure nothings super wrong like that I don't have high DHT levels. Also being on the NHS bridging means I can just say I have started prog (even though I haven't) and they have to give it to me.
Also my friend is telling me that apparently they should be giving me an anti-androgen at the levels they have given me, which they haven't because I am monotherapy. So they probably are dosing me in such a way that my T would come back. Ugh.
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>>43158735
how much boob growth so you get on avg being on hrt?
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I know it's kind of fickle, but is there any information in converting transdermal and boofed prog doses? I'm out of pills so I'm using a spray. I was boofing 200mg, the dose of spray recommended is 32mg. Can that be right?
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agpschizorep@mailum.com
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>>43166212
can you mail me their contact info please? guys working for one got busted. the big big vendor whose workers were stealing and making parcel in a drug warehouse. lucky i didnt got letter from police cause i bought morphine from him.
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>>43166268
https://myaphrodite.shop/product/73GbEzIImqRRCkD3
She seems to be out of stock for now, but also sometimes the site isn't up to date. Wish I could give you her current email so you can ask but I haven't bought from her in a long time
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spiro is cheaper.... is it good antiandrogen if you eat lots of salt? does it cause breast growth? i plan on antiandro twinkmoding until leaving country... need to stay presentable shirtless and braless... also hairy titts are some fucking eldricht nightmare... unless full on anthro but i digress... depression and osteoporosis? drugs and workouts...
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My testosterone is over 1100 but I still look like a effete femboy even though I'm a biological male. I have no libido. No self-confidence. Depressed all day. What's wrong with me doc? All my levels are normal/healthy.
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>>43166550
It's normal and my free T is high. I could try boron but I don't want my hair to shed.
>>43166565
Poor liver is interesting. I used to take cypro a really long time ago then after quitting I took up alcohol, I've since quit that as well.
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i want to start hrt quite slow at first, my plan would be to take 40mg relugolix once a day and .5mg estradiol sublingually twice a day. the goal is to prevent further masculinization and induce mild feminization while I decide whether to increase to a fully feminizing routine and permanently transition. I'll add 60mg raloxifene if breast growth starts happening more quickly than I'm comfortable with.
inb4 microdosing/ralox is a meme, I get that, this isn't my plan for the rest of my life, just for six months to a year while I make sure transition is what I really want
reasonable plan? would be diy as I do not currently have insurance
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>>43167258
Doing this is very detrimental if you decide that you want to commit to it (which you likely will because you've come this far).
Either do it fully or don't, otherwise you might aswell just get on dht blockers instead of a combo like this.
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>>43167297
either explain why or offer suggestions for a better routine. what's detrimental about doing this for 6 months? what's a different dosage of E that wouldn't be detrimental in whatever way you imagine this is?
feminizing myself slowly for a short period before deciding to feminize myself as much as possible asap cannot possibly be a bad idea
if you told me that taking ralox for a few months would nuke my tits so i can never grow them again then fine but theres no evidence that it would do that
there is no way 'commit to the largest possible change in your life from the very beginning or don't do it at all' is good advice, no one would ever accept that advice on any other subject and i dont see why i should here
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>>43137136
how long for to achieve maximun face feminization?
and dont hugbox sayin that takes years
just want to know the consensus
Im not really sure if it is like 5 or 9 months from all the timelines i have ever seen
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I fucking love allopreganolone. I'm tired of pretending I don't sometimes take prog orally. It feels like getting high, it fully unclenches my jaw, nothing compares to the relaxation. Boofing doesn't feel anywhere near as good
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>>43168450
The effect feels too strong for me to think its psychosomatic. They also literally used to market it as an antidepressant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allopregnanolone
>It can produceeuphoriato a degree similar to that ofalprazolam
I don't think its just in my head
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Yo if you’re like 3 days late to an injection do you dose yourself more or less? And then the next week take it normally that day? I inject every thursday and its sunday now. So im wondering if I take it today and then take it next thursday as well because im not willing to go to next sunday, its inconvenient.
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>>43170214
where do you get ur needles from the pharmacy? also i heard someone say 4mg every 5 days is better?
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>>43170689
anecdotal but every single trans girl I've spoken to who has tried sublingual or oral later switched to injections and it worked better. I just switched because my transition felt like it had sort of stalled
>>43170311
can confirm this. my E levels plummet when I'm using cannabis regularly, the more I use the worse it is. at a high enough dose I was able to mitigate this and stay in range, but I wonder if my growth or development have been stunted.
I don't know how it affects injections since I've only been on pills until recently.
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>>43170748
devastating :( thanks anyway
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>>43170748
Thank you, you have been the only person that has agreed with me on this. Everytime I tell someone not to abuse drugs, they act like im telling them to chop off their arm when its just them wanting to be retarded. Like weed aint gonna help the dysphoria.
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>>43170864
long term very unhealthy dont stay at low doses.
>>43170887
thats how testosterone works idiot
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>>43170807
for sure, and to be completely honest I feel better sober even if end up getting high in my weaker moments (always edibles, I don't do vaping anymore since I'm a singer and it ruins your voice)
also, if you vape or smoke weed, your ability to voice pass is absolutely fucked. I made the connection when the kids I work with clocked me and asked gendery questions WAY more often when I was vaping regularly. fucks with your sinuses and makes producing nasal resonance way harder; you end up passing more of your voice through your throat, which is a huge hallmark of male speech
sobriety is just better overall, I'm more social and want to do more with my time
>>43170794
everything I said above would also be something to reflect on, I still get high every now and again but I feel much better sober. plus you get better sleep
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>>43171138
this is very much NOT verified in clinical research, and recent studies suggest there is no meaningful effect from spiro
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39288020/
>At 6 months, there was no between-group difference in breast-chest distance . . . or estimated breast volume [between those on spiro and those on cypro]."
I know ideas like "spiro ruins tits" are scary-sounding and stick in the mind, but please make sure to look up peer-reviewed information before fearmongering
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>>43171049
I just hate transgenders being potheads. Its like black people wearing nike tech. It makes the CIA do victory laps. Like why cant I be the transgender equivalent of drinking matcha and wearing a quarterzip?
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>>43171381
What did I do? At least im not saying troons or trannies. Holy shit you think thats bad? I cant even amount to like 1% of the self hating shit that is said on this board. People on this board will say that trans people are like worse than satan incarnate and deserve to be lynched yet you’re over here dogging on me for referring to trans people as transgenders? I dont even hate myself I support the community, I just hate being grouped in a harmful stereotype as a trans person.
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>>43171773
I didn't say it was that bad, but I did insinuate it's a sign you don't have enough self-love and I stand by that
"transgenders" is either a right-wing dog whistle or a gross misunderstand of what it means to be trans
we're not some separate category of person and that's what that terminology makes us into
we're just human beings and trans is an adjective like tall or quiet
if you don't want to be grouped into a harmful stereotype by others, that's understandable. don't sort yourself into one either
for another way of looking at it, imagine you heard a trans people call themselves or other trans people "a trans"
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>>43170138
you need 1ml syringes. gauge wise, anything from 25 to 30+ is acceptable, provided that your vial's oil is MCT.
if you want you can also use a different, larger needle to draw, but thats not mandatory. if you want to keep things simple get only one kind of needle.
you want half an inch long needles for subq.
>>43170317
pharmacy or the internet.
keep in mind that availability in pharmacies depends on where you live. in some places you cant get them without a prescription.
dosage can vary slightly from person to person.
pick a dosage and after a few months adjust it based on your blood test results if needed.
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>>43170317
you'll also want alcohol pads. you need to rub them on the vial's rubber stopper and on your injection site prior to the injection.
that and bandaids.
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How long until changes are irreversible on injections. Been on HRT close to 2 months now, at most I’m feeling sensitivity around my nipples. I’m assuming that’s growth there, and after a certain point they will be permanent. I felt like I was ready and sure of transition, and now a bunch of shit has happened and I’m laying on the floor crying wondering if I rushed into this. If I should have waited. But I also don’t want to wait and be even older before I start. Idk. If I stop now would everything just go back to formerly male body or am I past the point where I should just commit regardless?
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>>43172797
it all depends but 2 months is most probably completely reversible
arguably any timeframe on HRT is reversible as long as you have a minor surgery, there are more detrooners than stars in the sky
what makes u unsure?
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>>43172831
I don’t know. Probably it’s just catastrophic thinking compounding. Bunch of shitty stuff has happened lately on top of my getting outed to my step mom. And while she isn’t like against it she keeps asking if I’m rushing into it and if I should seek professional help first. And like maybe I am but also I hate looking like a man and seeing this Gary rectangle thing in the mirror. Maybe I am rushing but the clock is ticking and I can’t keep putting my life on hold. I just feel incredibly shitty lately (more than usual) and that’s probably just making me second guess myself. I think I want it, I admit I’m still kind of scared of developing breast and fertility loss isn’t great (can’t afford to freeze my shit) but everything else about HRT seems great and I like when I’m referred to as treated as a woman. I probably just need to give it some time and I’ll be back to my usual tranny self, I just can never fully quiet the doubt I’ve had inside me for a long while now. I’m told that’s normal though.
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>>43172886
Yeah that’s why I skipped all that shit and did informed consent. I know I don’t want to be a man. I guess it’s just a lot of shit compounding and in general I’m questioning everything right now (from moving out to career etc.). Confesses to my best friend and he gently let me down. Just a lot of shitty emotions and I’m probably just spiraling.
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>>43172901
boymoding my way into figuring it out is what it'd do if i were you. if ur not 100% sure being on HRT is probably better than being off it. puffy nipples are more reversible than masculinization.
hrtwinks/cis men on hrt are a thing too anyway
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>>43172717
then you're kind of being a bitch, to yourself assuming you're trans and to others too
just call us fucking trans. or trans people. it's so easy that doing otherwise means making a choice to be a jerk
it's like calling black people the "colored" because you get tired of calling them black. absurd excuse. you're just trying to be divisive and cruel in your language
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>>43175210
no actually, there are quite a few problems with "person of color," and one of the main ones is collapsing the needs and interests of very different groups of people into a monolith. the term has fallen out of favor since the 20-teens and most people who are being sensible just refer to someone by their skin color when it's relevant, or their nationality/ethnic background when that's relevant (Latino, Southeast Asian, etc)
love how you concluded I'm a hypocrite before you answered my question
>>43175203
sure you do. and I'm also a trans person and I get to criticize how you use your words due to the negative effect I think they have on you and others in this community
"not that deep" is a sorry excuse for biting as hard as you have into adopting the terms of your oppressors
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>>43170807
>your hormone levels wont stabilize.
>>43170748
> my E levels plummet when I'm using cannabis r
the fuck it does.
give me a published paper that conclusively shows this and ill quit today.
>if you vape or smoke weed, your ability to voice pass
this is also wrong. smoke is one thing but theres absolutely no reason vapor would effect your voice. there are a lot of reasons to quit nicotine but this isnt one. posting false or anecdotal info that isn't confirmed or universal will just make people skeptical and not believe you and not quit or even worse double down.
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>>43176652
Proof that it affects your voice.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31393535/
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>>43171937
I get what you’re saying but like 90% of this channel is like right-wing dog whistles made by CIA agents to make trans people shoot themseleves due to like all of the self hatred but transgender is not a entirely bad term. Troon and tranny are annoying and retarded but like I think you should focus on trying to cancel the bum asses who yap about how all trans people are ugly men in dresses on here every day. But dont get me wrong, I like that there are nicer people on here now but you gotta realize youre on the fed board
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>>43178699
>i dont think im trans.
>i have a very overactive sex drive so hopefully it kills it lol.
you are literally me
my lust is completely done for, E cured me
>>43178675
yeah maybe take a little bit less
it will even out in the next few weeks if you get back on track anyway
>>43178848
no they're a meme
get a proper blood test
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>take prog for a couple of weeks now, 100mg oral morning, 100mg oral + 100mg rectal evening
>also take 0.5mg duta twice a week
>didnt make me tired at all until a couple days ago
>now i get really drowsiness which lasts for like 1,5h before it returns to normal
why? why does the tired/drowsiness only started to apppear now?
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i have had no changes at all in 3 months, which obviously is no time but i should be having breast budding and small changes like the scent of sweat right? i will obviously be getting a blood test ASAP but its very frustrating
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what about pre cum
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>>43178464
thats smoke. of course smoke effects your voice.
nicotine vapes use the same ingredients as medical inhalers, especially if you diy its usp grade 99.99% glycerol and glycol which has no negative health effects. flavorings used are food grade and rated for internal consumption. if inhalation as a method of administration at the doses used had negative consequences we would know by now.
nicotine itself is non-carinogenic despite having entirely separate negative effects on skin/hair wrt feminization. which means not combusting it has none of the same consequences.
cannabis vaporizers use distillate that are pure on a chemical level and dont combust. theres no adverse effects from inhaling vapor that is pure and proper temperature
none of that is even remotely close to the claim that cannabis disrupts your hormones or effects your e levels. if it did people would be reporting as much and it would be well known, instead its the opposite, people saying it doesnt matter but that nicotine does, and especially smoking.
from your own link:
>Analyses of 6 other clinical science articles indicated an association between cannabis inhalation and respiratory problems that were reduced with
>smoking cessation
>or switching to
>vaporizing.
>Lung function was maintained in
>light cannabis smoke
>exposure after
>long-term use.
>Analyses of basic science and animal articles indicated that cannabis
>smoking
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>smoking
>degradation
>by-products
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I'm visiting a clinic for the first time next week; I was extremely lucky and only had to wait about six months. I'm extremely anxious because I don't know what to expect. I've never had my testosterone measured but I imagine it's quite high considering I have very dense muscles and bones, and I also have very dense body hair (including back hair, facial hair, etc); sadly I've quite a receding hairline and thinning scalp. I'm going to read all of the information in the OP when I get off my night shift tonight, but as an early 30's man making the transition, do y'all have any recommendations for diet, habits, things to look out for or do in advance? I don't drink, don't smoke, only really take over the counter antacids and have a mild case of reactive hypoglycemia. I'm 220lbs and 6'1" but am slowly losing weight as I've been visiting the gym. Barely ever drink soda, but do have an energy drink a night during my shifts. I saw something about B12 levels. Most plausibly have high functioning depression but never suicidal tendencies; tried Prozac very briefly but it highly elevated my emotions to a severe extent so I quit it after a few weeks use. I like to imagine I've minimal issues with anger or mood swings and have a pretty firm control over when I do feel occasionally listless. I also do feel anxious about mentioning that lattermost part because of how hyper doctors can be - it honestly feels like it was a blip in my medical history and I probably just feel depressed when I do because >no friends, don't touch grass
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>>43171381
Not that Anon, but I refer to trans as transgender. It's the same I feel about not calling people Jew versus Jewish. Maybe I'm autistic but half of the time it feels derogatory to shorten words in reference to identifying factors. I also refer to people as female and male than woman and man, excluding miss/lady and sir/gentleman. Maybe it'll feel less odd to me in time.
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>>43172901
For what it's worth, consider this: If these external factors didn't exist, would you feel the same? A lot of people in life, when it comes to identity in general, decide things based both on internal and external factors. In the same way you shouldn't let external factors sway you into being transgender, the reverse should be as true; you make adjustments in your life because you feel you want and need to. Don't go to the gym because people call you fat - go to the gym to accentuate the positive aspects of yourself, to feel fulfilled, and to invest love and respect into your self. I imagine most people transitioning do it to realize what is more true about themselves, and external factors can't determine what someone is internally. If someone feels they're in the wrong body, people can shame you but that doesn't change what is (if you feel the -need- to live a more accurate definition of who you are). Everything in life has consequences, be it psychological or physiological or sociological. Gender affirming science is still relatively developing in comparison to other sociological subjects, and there will be push against it from people who don't want or need to know more. Please don't let people determine how you live your life in detraction of it. If someone raises valid concerns from a place of support, consider them. If someone supports you indiscriminately, also take consideration. It's a very big investment and a very life-changing decision. If you're this far, it's a genuine consideration of your own for your own person. You wouldn't be here if you didn't seriously feel this way to an extent. Uncertainty and resistance will always challenge comfort and willingness. Do your research, reflect and realize what is worth exchanging and what is more or less important and necessary or voluntary in your life. If people decide to feel or act in one way or another because of how you take care of yourself, that's their responsibility.
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>>43182371
bad levels
why not get it checked though? are you afraid of being outed? no one will know. cis men do those tests all the time.
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>>43182548
yeah, perfectly fine
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I don't want to exercise but nothing else will help me speed up my fat loss on Mounjaro
I need to drop 45 fucking kilos before I enter twinkmode and I'm on the verge of perma twinkdeath (31 this year) and I started HRT last year
I just need to troon out in my youth and become fuckable for ONCE
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>>43181601
Yeah. What dose/method?
>>43178675
fiddle with the calculamo until you get something smoooth enough for comfrot
https://estrannai.se/
>>43179788
every time i hear about prog it just adds another reason not to take it wtf
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how should the scent of sweat change?
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is 790 ng/dL T at absolute trough on weekly injections fine and sustainable?
i'm 3 years on T in a week, i get endo bloodwork done every 6 months. the last few times have all been at absolute trough (i.e. due an injection in <6 hours) and i've mostly been around 475-575 since i started with one dip when i was forgetting my shit a lot but last time since my dose was upped from 0.22 ml to 0.3 ml i measured 790 ng/dL, which would put my peak at ~1,200 ng/dL with about a 200 margin of error either way. is it fine to stay borderline supraphysiological and keep doing .3ml once weekly or should i cut it to somewhere .25-2.9, or split it up and do biweekly?
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>>43137136
the dosing guide says 9mg/week of EV, this seems way too high though? massive spikes on https://transfemscience.org/misc/injectable-e2-simulator-advanced/. 5mg every 5 days also seems too much. 5mg a week seems perfect? whats the correct EV dose per week?
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I often fantasize about growing small hrt-titties. I do have gyno already, when I lay down while masturbating I can see my chest sticking up, and I like it, I just wish they were more shapely and that my nipples were more sensitive and receptive to stimulation. I'm not sure if it's the right thing to pursue, I'm more "non binary" than trans.
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>>43186285
no idea desu. i want to know this too but i think it has something to do with test suppresion. basically the calculator doesnt take into acc your teat being eliminated its just saying how much estrogen youd get from that amount ofc.
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what are the pros and cons between cypionate and enanthate? like, is there any real reason to use one over the other? will there be any kind of negative effects if i flip flop between them based on whichever one is cheaper at the time i make my order? because from what ive read before they seem very similar. i dunno.
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>>43186581
ive been anamaxxing, not necessarily to hide or stunt growth but just because and there is a cool side effect i have to tell someone about.
making your tummy smaller makes your hrt mosquito bites stand out more :)
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>>43186285
5mg/5 days seems right tbdesu. i just switched to that from 7/5 days, i’ll let you know when i get another blood test. i’d recommend against doing EV weekly since it’s so volatile, you’re better off doing every 5 days whatever does you decide on
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anyone have success with https://www.privatemdlabs.com/ ??
its giving me two types of labs, quest and labcorp but they have widely different prices and panels and i keep making custom panels then when i got to check out it says i picked the wrong lab and tries to send me to one 200 miles away. does labcorp just cost more for the same test? this thing totally sucks its like $450 to get Estradiol Testosterone FSH LH CBC and CMP and its not even LC/GC/MS and quest does the same panel but more accurate for $99 but in another state.
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Can someone help me figure out how much testosterone i should take to reach 60-80ng/dl?
Because my current test levels hover betwen 15-25 ng/dl, and when I took 40mg of gel it was around 450 ng/dl at trough and on 8mg of gel it was around 260 ng/dl
Im 5"8 and 108 lbs
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>>43183645
4mg (0.1ml onthe needle) into the thigh, in the part where it doesnt hurt or feel like anything (so the fat i think?), slightly off the top of the thighonto the side
i bought it from astrovials which is reputable i believe
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How common is the prog->dht backdoor? I recently started on 100mg oral daily, and I'm nervous about it even if I haven't really noticed any masculinization. I'm getting bloodwork soon but my doctor didn't request a dht test. I'm hesitant to ask for a higher dose if I don't know for sure.
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welp i posted in /ftmg/ but got no replies... and this seems like an estrogen general desu but like i'll try my chances... are there any pooners in turkey on diy t? or like, if you know a pooner from turkey that's on diy t that works out as well. due to the original sin that is turkey customs sourcing ANYTHING is impossible let alone diy hrt... sources that ship from turkey probably don't ship TO turkey anyway... considering gymbros but people seem split on them.
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depends on how you define “waste”. it’s worse than injections but still feminizes and there’s plenty of people who’ve had good results on pills. i think sublingual is a bit better than swallowing at least, so try that
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>>43186677
>i might get it checked after being on hrt for a bit but im not rn so its pointless doing bloodwork before?
a lot of people get bloodwork before to know their baseline levels, others dont.
personally i did it. helps you get accustomed to the process for when you need it if nothing else.
>wdym bad levels, like not enough suppresion of testosterone or not high enough e levels?
yeah. either that or e levels being too high, both can be a problem
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they are the same in practice. enanthate is usually always cheaper and what most people use for diy
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Can Estrogen shrink my dick and change my body to look like this?
This is my goal body.
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Having a testosterone level of 298, is that really so bad? Bitelo's was at 222, but it's below 300 and even worse than my target, which is 900. My estrogen is also within the range of a cis woman, even if at the lower limit, and I feel really awful, especially 6/7 days after the testosterone injection.
I'm taking Durateston, by the way, without any other testosterone boosters or any other anabolic steroids. I'll go back to the endocrinologist on April 29th or before. Honestly, it's better than the other test I did, but I still feel weak and maybe I need an estrogen blocker? Man, I don't even know what to do.
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is it ok to take progesterone while on dutasteride
is 200mg micronized daily rectally the way to take it/do people usually increase it to more than that/does that have an increased effect
what were the progesterone experiences of anyone who would like to share what experiences they have had with it
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>>43191526
i almost look like this as a guy. thats why i want to get on hrt. ive always felt feminine even though im not short and i have hairy legs but my body always looked effeminate asf. idk if its cause i have hypothyroidism and didnt take meds when i was a kid or something else
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>>43193891
you too? that's my story as well
>low T confirmed by endo in my early teens (I think it was sub 250 ng/dl or something)
>hypothyroidism on my mother's side, except I'm the only male to get it now, my brother or uncles don't have it
>physical match for all symptoms of Klinefelter's
I have a destiny...
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>>43194981
oh mine's pretty extreme, I have Hashimoto's and my crap T4 meds never worked
it sucked and my only regret is not seeing the HRT femboy light in my late teens at least but I've still got the base and fucked up hormones to get strong mileage out of my transition
I absolutely will see my feminized peak self in the mirror one day
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what happens exactly when you inject estradiol
is most of it just staying in the injection side and slowly gets absorbed within the calculated injection interval
is there some elaborate publication about this process i can read
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>>43196471
it just forms a little depot where you injected and your body absorbs it over time.
>>43196107
0.2mL is a perfectly reasonable volume
>>43193934
i dont know of anyone who is currently formulating their own bica
>>43193344
prog can bypass T on its way to DHT so if you actually have backdoor metabolization dutasteride won't stop DHT based androgenization.
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>>43197065
>prog can bypass T on its way to DHT so if you actually have backdoor metabolization dutasteride won't stop DHT based androgenization.
would i see that with a blood test for DHT as DHT rising?
i thought dutasteride actually could prevent this from happening but i guess not
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>>43197118
thirty fucking one
I am blessed with neotenous/androgynous/whateveritis features namely my big doe eyes, thicc lashes and lips and overall beta gay face and I intend to capitalize on it for what little time I have before permayouthdeath
thankfully my skincare routine has been rock solid and consistent since my teens so I have maybe 2 or 3 years max
I will fucking make it in this short window of opportunity
I saw the light real late so don't fuck around if you want to look fem and choke on dicks just go for it you can always detroon later like ella hollywood
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>>43197065
Confused, I thought 5alpha-reductases (SRD5a*) were necessary in the backdoor too
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Canonical-and-alternative-backdoor -pathways-of-DHT-synthesis-The-cano nical-pathway-has_fig1_331106912
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutasteride
>It inhibits all three forms of 5α-reductase, and can decrease DHT levels in the blood by up to 98%.[1][58][59]
Is there something I'm missing?
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>>43198588
>just order it from China and charge you extra.
its usually fair theyre doing the import risk and usually measure/dosing preparation and dont have a huge margin cause theyre being nice
unless you mean grey market pharmas theyre making like $5-15 on an order and have to deal with full shipments of hundreds to thousands of doses seized or never sent with zero recourse or insurance. its a pretty good deal unless your stockpiling
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>>43200617
nta but similar situation and it was height brainworms plus the internet convincing me hrt was a 100% irreversible lifelong choice and not worth it if you dont pass. none of that is true and its totally worth it
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>>43200601
that was at trough, like 12 hours before my next dose (since they were closing by noon and i do my shots late at night). i’m lowering my dose because 200-300 pg/ml seems like the ideal range, over 300 is essentially 0 benefit, so might as well use a little less e, this way my vial lasts a little longer without sacrificing anything
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>>43200886
sounds good. yeah i dont see any negatives desu. thats why im hopping on lol
>>43201297
that does seem really high ngl but how are ur levels so high do you take a t-blocker?
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>>43201604
no antiandrogens, just estradiol valerate mono therapy. my testosterone is sufficiently suppressed, it was at 25 ng/dL, and i think the target is below 50. but yeah, high numbers so i’m lowering my dose a little. i’m not sure how long to wait before re-testing, but it’ll probably be a little finicky to find a day since i work now and don’t want to take time off to get a blood test, so i’ve gotta wait for a weekend where i’m injecting
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if i had ran out of estrogen and did like a dose of bicalutamide 50mg like 2x a week for a while, did that help slow down some testosterone mascinulization or did the rebound T increases on my off days of Bica cause bad mascinulinaziation?
i did this for like 3 years when i was poor and living in an OK shithole doing DIY cause the local trans clinic stopped functioning somehow.
I just found out bica only like blocks T receptors and doesnt lower T like spiro. :c
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>>43202310
haha yeah i femboy denied it till mid 20s and then reppercoped till 30s about how you dont have to transition to be trans. thats tru and valid but you gotta seriously analyze for u if its just a cope excuse
dont b me. by the time im hot by my own standards im gonna be pushing 40
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>>43203676
3 years is like a cumulative estimate
>remasculinize
i think im mostly coping rn
/passgen/ like a year ago said i "just need 3 more years of HRT" :c
6.5 years total but kept going on and losing perscription for variety of reasons so like only half of it was probably properly on HRT. i tried to spread my meds as best i could when i didnt have good access. im retarded.
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>>43203190
Honestly I don't think I understand the you don't need hormones to be trans radkweer basedkaf bc like once I crossed the event boundary of pronouns and woke i encountered tons of genderqueers giving away estradiol like it was candy..
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>>43204407
>basedkaf
The language enhancer is FUAARRKING BASEDKAF
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