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>>25107124
And there's a new Dutch translation to celebrate it

I always wondered why every copy of IJ that I’ve seen has a Windows 95 esque cover

And somehow, thematically speaking, it's more relevant now than ever

>>25107309
I wonder how well such a book even translates into chinese? Like how much extra footnotes do they have to add to explain the context of half the shit in the story?

>>25107309
Why is there no Japanese version?

>>25108978
It honestly might push me over the edge in learning Chinese. Have considered it for years, from what I have heard China has a thriving literary scene and almost none gets translated and any country going through the changes China has in the past few decades likely has some interesting stuff.

>>25109609
Certainly now is the time to learn if you want. I considered it myself but I'm honestly just a lazy piece of shit and have no on to talk to

>>25107124
>Thirty years ago
So...1976?

>>25109975
Wait no...1966?

>>25109977
1966 would be 60 years ago, 30 years before IJ was published, DFW was like 3 or 4? His birthday was last week, the 21st I think, no one noticed.

>>25110033
We were celebrating Schoppy’s birthday. When a man who died 20 years ago’s birthday is forgotten on this site while a man who died 170 years ago’s is remembered fondly, it tells you a lot about the legacy of each of these men.

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>>25109977
Thirty years ago will always be some time in the 1950s for me…

>>25109975
30 years ago was 15 years ago was 5 years ago
It's time to wake up

So if Avril and Luria weren't of similar height, explain why JOI would make a film about two corollary figures being mistaken for one another?

Dial C for Concupiscence. Year of the Trial-Size Dove Bar. Poor Yorick Entertainment Unlimited. Soma Richardson-Levy-O'Byrne, Maria-Dean Chumm, Ibn-Said Chawaf, Yves Fran-coeur; 35 mm.; 122 minutes; black and white; silent w/ subtitles. Parodic noir-style tribute to Bresson's Les Anges du Peché, a cellular phone operator (Richardson-Levy-O'Byrne), mistaken by a Québecois terrorist (Francoeur) for another cellular phone operator (Chumm) the FLQ had mistakenly tried to assassinate, mistakes his mistaken attempts to apologize as attempts to assassinate her (Richardson-Levy-O'Byrne) and flees to a bizarre Islamic religious community whose members communicate with each other by means of semaphore flags, where she falls in love with an armless Near Eastern medical attache (Chawaf). RELEASED IN INTERLACE TELENT'S 'HOWLS FROM THE MARGIN' UNDERGROUND FILM SERIES — MARCH/ Y.T.-S.D.B. — AND INTERLACE TELENT CARTRIDGE #357-75-43

>>25110969
that is some cringe writing

Why can’t The Tunnel be the 90s pomo doorstopper people talk about here? It’s better than this trite.

>>25110974
It reads a lot like any other movie summary would read. I am not sure where you're coming from, bud.

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>>25111018
>It’s better than this trite.
The word you're looking for is "tripe", retard. Trite is an adjective, you massive fucking nincompoop. You look like (and, in fact, are) an absolute fucking idiot.

>>25111097
i'm trans btw not sure if that matters

>>25111097
Awfully mean spirited aren’t you? Thanks for calling me out on my mistake, however I noticed it the moment I posted it. I simply didn’t care enough to correct myself, I suppose in that sense I should have expected this sort of response. The book is still TRITE though.

>>25109609
But then you're forced to interact w chinks

>>25110969
If Luria and Avril are the same person, explain why Orin never mentioned Luria being freakishly tall, and how he fucked both of them and didn't notice they were the same person.

>>25107317
The "clouds on blue sky" picture actually appears in the book (when they are waiting in the headmaster’s reception room after the ESCHATON incident iirc) and it is explicitly stated to have that unnerving vibe of corporate relaxation i.e. basically Vaporwave so naturally it is very reminiscent of Windows 95 too.

>>25111386
>how he fucked both of them and didn't notice they were the same person.
That’s the joke.

>>25111018
We’ve always had Tunnel threads too. It just doesn’t have the meme potential. On a superficial reading (if someone can even manage), Tunnel is "Nazis bad" and that’s just not very controversial. Meanwhile the most immediate IJ impression is "weed bad" and that triggers half the audience already. They further get triggered when the author takes Tennis, the most snob sport, seriously.
>>25108761
And yeah it also kinda foresaw the whole Netflix debacle, a large theme in the book is people who keep rewatching the same TV shows and back in those days it was maybe doable in America with the "cable networks" but nowadays it’s really 80% of women in the Western world that keep rewatching the complete Friends on Netflix.
I mean, that portion of the population, the TikTok scrollers that are almost literally captured in infinite jest by now, is of course no longer able to so much as touch a book; they are not part of the audience by any shot. They wouldn’t even be offended by the book’s contents; they are offended by 1000 pg books at all existing.

>>25107317
I remember DFW saying in an interview that he also has no idea why that cover image was chosen as the book has no meteorological thematics

>>25107317
It came from somewhere blue

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>>25111173
Anything will be an improvement over this place.
>>25111676
>On a superficial reading (if someone can even manage), Tunnel is "Nazis bad"
That is not superficial, that would be a complete lack of comprehension. It has plenty of meme potential, the big one back in the day was that Nazi's did what they did because of penis envy. The memes come from trolls who don't read and they require an anon willing to post at great length about the book and that anon needs anons wanting to engage with him so he has a reason to go on at great length and the trolls can get material for their memes and bait. We have only had that situation arise once with The Tunnel, Gass anon.
>And yeah it also kinda foresaw the whole Netflix debacle
In one of his final interviews he makes fun of himself for thinking video rental by mail was in any way a viable buisness, ~6 months later Netflix opened for buisness.
>a large theme in the book
That is not a theme, that is a plot element.

>>25111676
I agree with the general sentiment, but I don't think most of those people would be actually offended by a 1k page book, or are hostile towards reading in any way, it's just they're in a sorry state of brainrot they might or might not be aware of being a problem. I'm addicted to my phone too, by the way, and it's really no joke (or rather I it is, the jest that is), it's so dreadful and debilitating. I think the in a grand scheme the problem is actually the opposite, that corporations are noxiously efficient in incessantly producing new slop because we get tired of the old. But I find it beautiful DFW still assessed human nature as it is and described how people in the future are just as inclined if not more to appreciate real life experiences (the draining of the puddle scene)

>>25111799
>That is not a theme, that is a plot element.
Only read IJ once, but how is it a plot element rather than a theme?

>>25111841
>Only read IJ once, but how is it a plot element rather than a theme?
It is an aspect of plot used to develop theme, which is not addiction or everything can be addictive or everyone is an addict but more about why do so many resort to addictive or obsessive behaviors; why does John Wayne turn himself into a grim tennis playing machine, why does Steeply reinvent himself with every change of administration, why does Himself throw himself into his father's passions of booze, tennis and film, things he never had an interest in but dedicates himself to fully?

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>>25111658
Ah yeah, of course. But even the ones that don’t have that background (which is like three of them) still have that vibe you mentioned.

>>25111734
Why are you blue

>>25111950
NTA but
>tfw no gf :(

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>>25107309
fuck off

>>25107317
>I always wondered why every copy of IJ that I’ve seen has a Windows 95 esque cover
DFW isnt a visual artist designer type. The first edition is actually a really good cover and is fitting for the era. For one it's ominous and maximalist, also vaporware. Reminds me of how many lives are in a moment which is exactly what the ending is.

>>25111676
>Tunnel is "Nazis bad" and that’s just not very controversial.
on 4chan?

>>25111947
I've never ever seen that #7 before. Which makes sense because it's dogshit

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>>25107317
DFW wanted to use this image as the cover. I'm not sure why he didn't get to use it.

>>25108978
https://book.douban.com/review/15239811/
this is an article on how it was translated written by the lead translator, you can use google translate to read it but in summary it took them from 2016 until 2023 to finish
the hardest thing for them to translate were names of medical conditions and drugs, especially slang terms for drugs (because corresponding slang terms usually don't exist in Chinese)
they had to add so many extra footnotes, for example their translation of "the moms" into 妈妈们 confused most readers into thinking that the Incandenza family had multiple mothers so they had to explain it was just what the kids called their mom

>>25112433
You are mistaken (a little) :
https://infinitejest.wallacewiki.com/david-foster-wallace/index.php?title=File%3AFritz_lang_directing_metropolis.jpg

Little Brown said it was too heady for an already heady book.

>>25112474
That makes perfect sense. Translating something like Bob Hope into Chinese would have to come with like 3 interlaced footnotes itself.

>>25112587
I've seen both claimed as the image, I thought the one I posted was correct. Either way...

>>25113019
Poor use of interlaced, wrong, and either way you ought to go see the Harry Ransom Center’s Little Brown Collection of David Foster Wallace, box 2, folder 2.7, and blow me about it.

>>25113254
sir are you having a stroke

>>25113254
>blow me about it
Cum again?

>>25113019
interestingly they have two kinds of notes
wallace's original endnotes
and translation notes and contextual notes which are written on the same page as the content

>>25113980
footnotes and endnotes. truly the full wallace experience

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>>25112271
>Reminds me of how many lives are in a moment which is exactly what the ending is
can you rephrase this for me

>>25110116
Old fucking man over here!