>>25108134
"Mars" by Fritz Zorn.

>>25108139
I can't find a single available copy of this

The Blind Owl.

>>25108158
Doesn’t quite meet my criteria but it seems really interesting, will check out.

>>25108134
Schizoid hermits with no relationships don't make for good protagonists, they're too boring.

>>25108134
It was a dfferent time!

>>25108134
I’m currently writing a book about a loser, and this >>25108197 is the case.
You need a reason for the main character to go out and do shit. Maybe a neetcel rotting inside might be ok for a very short story, but beyond that it’s hard to make work.

The first Houellebeqc novels. Expansion of the domain of struggle may be closer to what you are looking for - but I also suggest Atomized, which many consider his best work (map and the territory is the best imo, but does not relate to what OP is asking for).

>>25108134
True losers don't create real art because they're bottom of the barrel. No true artist can be a true loser, as the act of creation takes a lot of virtue that most true loses lack.
Basically, stick to watching anime and playing vidya, bozo.

>>25108134
Bavitz wrote some good losercore. Particularly Cockatiel x Chameleon and Cleveland Quixotic. No social life prior to the plot, extreme social ineptness during the plot.
Can't remember anything else that qualifies.

>>25108134
My Diary

There was no internet back then so losers of your calibre were a little more socially privileged, keep in mind that spiritually they are still you, just in different circumstances

>>25108588
But I don’t like anime or vidya

>>25108727
Well, stop being a loser then, friend.

>>25108134
Against Nature by Huysmans. Maybe you wouldn't call a shut-in aristocrat a loser but the character's life is remarkably like that of the modern NEET

>>25108134
a man with no talents by Shirō Ōyama

>>25108829
Seems very interesting, will check out.

>>25108588
Holy cope, lmao, who many "Chad' can't even written or understand art, lmao

>>25108843
Anon… your grammar

>>25108843
Hemingway

>>25108134
Prior to the establishment of a welfare state, and later the invention of the internet, someone who made it well into adulthood without any meaningful relationships, or ability to form such meaningful relationships would inevitably end up either homeless, incarcerated, or institutionalized, unless they were already independently wealthy; possessed of an income from some past chapter of their life, such as military service; or able to obtain a job which required no social-skills, either for dealing with customers, or colleagues (there's a reason the movie 'Taxi Driver' chose that occupation for its protagonist).
The reason why it's hard to find the kind of story you want, is because stories about 'outsiders' inevitably have to be written either from the perspective of the outsider, framing society as surreal; or from the perspective of society, framing the outsider as surreal. If the protagonist is still a teenager, or a university student, then circumstances force them into constant interpersonal-dynamics in a way which prevents them from becoming a true shut-in, and ensures that someone notices if they do. If the protagonist is an adult, then it's usually reasonable to assume that they have some sort of past. If the protagonist is an adult with no past, no connections, and no real routines which require leaving the house, then it becomes impossible to write a book from the perspective of an outsider looking in, without first breaking the condition which we are seeking to explore, so the only option is to write the book from the perspective of the 'true loser', which renders the book unreadable, because they don't do anything worth writing about, so the only aspect of their existence worth exploring is their headspace, and perspective on society, which usually ends up coming off less like a novel, and more like a manifesto.

>>25108197
>>25108547
major cope. by showing you guys are wrong i would write a novella on this idea

>>25109552
>If the protagonist is still a teenager, or a university student, then circumstances force them into constant interpersonal-dynamics in a way which prevents them from becoming a true shut-in, and ensures that someone notices if they do.

I’m a university student and I experience zero interpersonal-dynamics

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>>25108197
>Schizoid hermits with no relationships don't make for good protagonists
haha
elijah
elisha
jeremiah maybe
john the baptist
Jesus
paul
john the evangelist
its unfortunate society got too trash for kelly turnbull to stay single. sherlock holmes did that that one woman who he was playing with that one time. plato was a fag and should of proved how smart he was by trying to marry

>>25108134
how about hosea who was commanded by God to marry a whore and raise children of whoredom and in one chapter he has to buy her from a brothel she runs away to

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>>25108134
Reading old novels about losers. You realise that back in those old-timey days, losers didn't have the internet in their bedroom. So, they would leave the house sometimes. Which would force them to interact with the world. Make eye-contact. Meet people. Talk and joke. Socialise.

>>25109948
I leave the house, make eye-contact, meet people and socialize literally every day. I'm a 33-year-old virgin with no friends, zero dating history and some of my neighbors refuse to greet me.
Your boomer memes of "just leave the house bro" do nothing.

>>25109955
I'm 35 and a loser too. So take this advice from your elder. I walk up to the pub that's near my house. Most Saturday nights. Started doing this late last year. I've had a one-night stand. Had another night where I went back to a girls place and we just made out for a bit. Saw her there a couple weeks later, she introduced me to her friends. Spent the night bantering with her butch lesbian friend. Other nice nights where I just danced with some girls. Spent other nights just chatting and joking with old blokes. Another night where me and another dude who was there alone were wingmaning each other like drunken dickheads. Another night where me and a different dude were being drunken dickheads on the dancefloor. Although, transparency, some nights where I just sat alone with a beer and nothing happened. But, it's gotten to where I can walk in and find someone I've met and can say hello to. So you should just do that.

>>25108843
Chad does not necessarily 100% equal virtue

>>25108843
Read more. That was painful to read

>>25109973
You sound pretty cool anon. Do you ever get lonely?

>>25109995
Yes. Always. The closest thing I have to friends are co-workers who I never see or talk to outside of work and cousins/brother-in-laws who I never see or talk to outside of family functions. Beside that one night stand I had in Nov or Dec last year, I'd only had sex with one girl. When I was 22 and briefly had a girlfriend and we did it maybe half-dozen times before she dumped me. So I say this from loser experience. If you hate how miserable it is. You just have to force yourself to be adventurous, go out alone on a Friday or Saturday. Use pretend confidence and alcohol. And force that night to be an adventure.

>>25108588
Only correct answer.
>>25108843
You're so used to being a loser and living in that comfort zone—conceiving the world through the lens of loser thinking and being content with it, resigning yourself to being who you are—that you believe the only way to stop being one is by becoming a "Chad", because only then can you console yourself for your inability to escape your current situation.
No, kid, you don't need to be a "chad" to stop being a loser. It's because you don't understand this that you are a loser and will always be one.
Meanwhile, you won't achieve anything in your life, and others will fulfill your dreams while you wallow in pathetic excuses.

That's it, I will write the first and last great truecel novel of the 21st century

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>>25110058
Tell me about it, anon.

>>25110063
It's partly inspired by my diary desu

>>25110078
Sounds kinda boring, maybe add a hook.

>>25108134
wonderful fool by shusaku endo

>>25109811
>Jesus
Dude had throngs of women who followed him around and cared for him
>40 Some women were watching from a distance. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joseph,[d] and Salome. 41 In Galilee these women had followed him and cared for his needs. Many other women who had come up with him to Jerusalem were also there.
Mark 15:40-41

>’scherezade’, murakami

Bartleby

Welcome to the NHK is a manga, but it's about a loser.

>>25110282
Good example and the original work is a novel

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>>25110135
were talking about men who were celibate. the phenomenon of involuntary celibacy is entirely new to the late 20th century as a consequence of marriage being illegal and therefore every man 20-50 is looking for a woman 15-30 but the women are all infertile. so for once in history there arent enough women for every man to have one. so simping is rational and the last fertile white woman will be crowned emperess of the solar system

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>>25108843
>SAAR CHAD COPE SAAR
Why are you even here?

>>25108843
ESL?

In order to write and publish a book you have to have a reasonable amount of will and competence and as a result getting laid and having friends comes naturally. There are very few losers who ever had a platform to talk about their loserdom.

>>25109552
>they don't do anything worth writing about
If you think like this, you can't write for shit

>>25109973
>just be a drunktard just to interact with whores
pass

>>25108134
I remember reading "no longer human" where the author described a handsome, rich, and smart guy who also had a miserable + lonely life and I just sighed

>>25108197
They are extremely boring, both in life and Innaya. Nobody gives a fuck about you people, you’re just taking up space on this earth and everyone wishes you a disappear

>>25109552
This of one of the highest iq posts I’ve seen in a really long time

>>25109558
>prior to the internet

>>25109811
>look kelly Turnbull
>its a Canadian bulldyke

A lot of real nerdy artists in this thread being like, “no! My shitty life is worth writing about!”

Quit screeching, you losee faggots

>>25110325
>marriage being illegal
What?

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>>25111210
claiming to be married, and to want to continue the relationship, is claiming mens rea for an open and shut case of abuse. the greatest abuser of women is Jesus, because having expectations of women, especially the sexual behavior of women, is the definition of abuse. satan is the greatest lover and respecter of women, because he just wants to encourage them to continue to be awesome and do what they want to do. 100% of pastors thunder from the pulpits against abuse of women

>>25111445
and all the engineers and soldiers concurred with the pastors wisdom :)

>>25108134
no, it'd be so boring

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>>25110951
Even when you say it like that, it still sounds very fun. But, OK. Don't do it then. I just think it's worth keeping in mind. If lonely. That, probably near your house. There exists a building, where you can just go to. And it's filled with people. And their shared goal is to enjoy the night. And alcohol is great, drunk feels good. Makes you confident and talkative. But really, its greatness is as a pretext. It gives everyone in this building permission to get silly. Ordinarily. You can't start a conversation with a stranger and joke around with him for an hour. It's just not done. But, drunk in a pub. You can. And it's enjoyable. You can clumsily hit on a woman. You can make her giggle. Just making a girl giggle feels so good. And I understand you. If I was a sober observer, watching the way I make a dickhead of myself on a dancefloor. A sweaty whore grinding on me. I would be embarrassed. But, I'm not a sober observer. I'm drunk and I'm experiencing it. And that feels very good. But, sure. Pass if you want. Do something else.

>>25111554
>being drunk feels good
No? You have deluded yourself with alcohol to think that, retard. The bitches that are "grinding " you have alread done it to a thousand drunk cocks before and you can't hide that under alcohol (even if they're trying lol) Pubs, alcohol, all that shit is degrading

>>25111759
Feeling good drunk. Vs: alcohol tricking me into thinking I feel good drunk. What's the functional difference? And, something I have no delusions about. I know the woman grinding on me is not a virgin. Obviously. I don't know if you're the same guy. But I was originally responded to a mid-30s lonely virgin. The ship has sailed on finding a homestead virgin tradwife who looks you in the eye everyday and sincerely says: 'I love you'. That's the ideal, obviously. But, next best thing is dancing with a slut. Which is something you can realistically do this weekend. May as well. Life is degrading.

>>25108134
What about Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment?

>>25111177

I can think of about six billion other human beings, falling into various other classes, who I would sooner see off the earth than a few harmless white schizoids.

>>25108134
>why are there no books about boring, useless, irrelevant people who dont do anything
Its a great mystery anon...

>>25113046
You sound like you have little imagination

>>25113090
I dont want to read the interior navel gazing of a character with nothing interesting to say.

>>25113102
This sounds like a projection of yourself more than anything else

>>25113003
I agree with you

But I am interested in reading about interesting people. Those six billion are dull. White schizoids are also dull. I want a higher level. White isn’t enough

>>25110469
I’d expect more from an ESL, it’s possible he’s intoxicated or simply retarded. Or Indian, in which case whether he’s an ESL or not is irrelevant considering his intrinsic retardation

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>>25108139
Damn, that fucking book is brutal. Painfully relatable

>>25108141
There you have: https://jumpshare.com/s/RoevLC1hpcxTMyg4GnL1

>>25113444
And everyone in this thread is calling me an idiot and saying "you cant write a book about someone like that"

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>>25113464
>The New York Times reviewed it harshly, saying the author's experience with cancer did "not confer acuity or wisdom – only pain, suffering and despair". The review wonders why the book was published at all, referring to it as "whining" and saying it "continues for 143 pages of almost sadistic tedium".[2]

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>>25113473
>The New York Times
>not confer acuity or wisdom
>whining
>sadistic tedium
It is understandable that journos couldn't palate this

>only pain, suffering and despair
That was his life. Imagine being a loser and then getting deathly cancer at 33 years old. The last pages are just heartbreaking. I hope you are now in a better place, Fritz

>>25113464
You can, but this anon was right >>25109552 by saying these works take the form of a manifesto

>>25111759
This anon is an example of how maladaptive and retarded the internet can make you.

>>25113473
Who cares what the new york times thinks? From what I have read it was well received in Europe.

>>25113485
I I really appreciated that anons reply.

>>25111759
OK, I just got back from my weekly visit to the pub. So, in full transparency I will tell you. You may be right. Because I just had easily my worst pub experience. A man tried to fight me. But also, had one of my better experiences. I had a three-way kiss with two women. I danced with five women total. Two were not much, just eye-contact smiles, as we danced next to each other. One was more enthusiastic, we held hands, I twirled her several times, pulled her in close. The other two were full on grinding. And kissing. The first of those seemed super into it. She grinded. She kissed. But, then she just walked away mid-song. So, I figured whatever. Let her go, she's not into me. But then she'd come back. Grind and kiss. Leave. Maybe even go flirt with another guy. Come back. Grind, kiss. Several times. Annoying. Eventually, we danced and she walked away. So I went over to a table and asked a women to dance. And she did. She grinded on me too. The first girl came back to the dance floor. Saw me dancing with another girl, went to walk away. I pulled her in. The three of us were dancing together. The first girl says 'let's all kiss'. We all push our face together and do. It was great. That was a first for me. The DJ finishes for the night, dancefloor over. I go piss. Come back out. Try to find the first girl. Maybe buy her a drink, try my luck. She's gone, can't find her. See the second girl who was grinding. She's sitting with a friend. Offer to buy them a drink. Happily say yes. Get the drinks, come back, they're gone. Find the girl sitting at a table full of people. I give her the drink. We chat, introductions, it's friendly. A man from across the table walks over, he says I'm in his girlfriend's spot. I was confused, there was plenty of space. He then says I should sit at a different table. I say that's up for her to decide, gesturing at the girl. She says 'you should probably do what my brother says'. He says 'no disrespect'. I say 'it's a bit disrespectful'. He says 'you want to go outside and punch on?'. I say 'no'. His girlfriend also says 'no'. He obviously still wants to. I leave the table. With two of the three drinks I paid for. Finish them as I walk through the pub. To the side exit. So he doesn't see me leave. Not ideal. But, I did just get to kiss two girls at the same time. That was pretty good.

>>25114004
I won't read your wall text on whores and booze and why kissing the vomit stained lips of a slut is a good choice because I can't have a virgin gf, pal

>>25108134
Demian by Herman Hesse

>>25108134
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JHVqxD8PNq

>>25114614
Shut your mouth

>>25114623
>No gf
>Bullied as a child
>Only friend while at school is an eccentric lonely single organ player
>Other acquaintance is a sexually frustrated suicidal annoying person
>Only other friend in life is an enigmatic sociopathic potential ubermensch character
>Viewed as failure by parents
Sinclair fits the bill, sorry

>>25114638
Oh okay

You ain't gotta say it like that tho...

The next great American novel will be about a closeted gay furry with no significant life milestones pondering about game design and losing sleep over harmless Internet banter with randoms.

>>25114925
you joke but i know someone who is exactly like that

>>25114093
Pal, you are right. You will not have virgin gf. You can't get that. It's good you're not deluded. But, will you ever have any girl though? Any. Ever. Think you will? Just for one night even. You look down on me. You have too much pride to degrade yourself. That's your rationalisation. I pathetically lived lonely. Wish I didn't. I kissed more girls last night than I did throughout my entire teens and twenties total. All those unhappy years. When I simply could've just left the house and got drunk on a dancefloor. And yeh, it is far from the ideal of having a loving relationship. But also, it's equally far from spending another night alone like the thousands before it.

>>25108134
some of Kafkas stories. A common theme in all of his works is that the protagonist never has and never forms strong bonds with anyone (although he does have contact with women in some stories)

>>25115697
Wasn’t Kafka himself a bit of a loser who only ever got laid by going to brothels?

>>25115698
yes. I remember he had a long-distance relationship that went nowhere

>>25108588
>>25110025
No idea what this definition of loser is. We are talking about people who don't go out, who don't fuck, who don't live outside. I consider non-fiction creative too, but considering mostly literature, poetry, removing Pessoa, Leopardi, Nietzsche, Blanchot, maybe Gogol and others would be a heavy blow to the literary tradition.

You're asking the wrong question. Losers have tried and failed. You want a book about not even trying. I suggest The Comforts of Madness

>>25108134
Yozo in No Longer Human has “friends”, and really it’s just one guy leeching off of him for most of the novel.
He does whore around a lot, mostly because Dazai was considered handsome himself and wrote autobiographically.

>>25115830
>mostly because
And because he was living in an onsen to work his way through onsen geishas and alcohol

>>25108134
it's rarer than you think to be as isolated and lonely as some of us are. normalfags simply can't relate

>>25109973
I'm 37 and I've considered going out like this once a week just to see what happens, but never did. You've inspired me. I'll give it a shot, not like I've got anything to lose.

>>25108134
From what I remember Notes from the Underground features a loner autist as a protagonist. Its a light read as well, so you should check it out

>>25109973
This is bullshit, but I believe you

>>25113444
Well Mars is gay so naturally this shit wasn't going to work with people pretending to be entities they never were supposed to represent.