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>commit suicide
>reincarnate and have to deal with the possibility of eternal torture all over again

Quantum immortality makes trying to commit suicide an S risk because you probably end up severly injured but barely alive.

It's like you haven't even read the basics of "mind raped by less wrong".

>>25111460
Atheists will believe anything except the Truth.

>>25111460
S-risks are extremely unlikely to occur, although I agree they're a big deal. If you mean committing suicide right now to avoid the possibility of surviving to live in an s-risk timeline, I think you've gotten caught in some kind of reverse Pascal's wager and you need to just snap out of it and get a grip. if you mean committing suicide if you already find yourself in an s-risk timeline, yeah that makes perfect sense. And as many other people as you can take with you of course.

The four given reasons an s-risk might occur are pretty obviously not going to happen in real life. The fifth I can't argue against, but killing yourself over unknown unknowns is pretty silly.

>>25112546
This seems like an odd thing to say given that Christians are the ones who actually believe in an s-risk, since they believe in hell.

>>25111460
>We are in a simulation and some form of "hell" exists in it
>Unknown unknowns
how would suicide help with these? maybe suicide IS the s-risk.

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>>25112407
>you probably end up severly injured but barely alive
But if QI is true, this is eventually going to happen anyway, even with no suicide attempts. When you're subjectively 200 years old, you will be barely functional no matter what. You will probably be blind, deaf, and paralyzed as your biological systems degrade. Also in your younger years, you can apply for disability bux if you are disabled because of your suicide attempts.

>>25113004
apart from atheism which is just religious nominalism. the existence of nothing but particulars creates infinite s-risks as opposed to Christianity which only has one s-risk.

>>25111460
Suicide is the best solution for all problems. Im considering it, soon

>>25113688
Can I be the one who pulls the trigger?

>>25113730
Yeah. Where are you?

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>>25111460
>This author is giving me panic attacks because of the idea of worse than death scenarios, like:
>1. ASI programmed to maximise suffering
>2. Alien species with the goal of maximising suffering
>3. We are in a simulation and some form of "hell" exists in it
>4. ASI programmed to reflect the values of humanity, including religious hells
>5. Unknown unknowns
Why is Computer God more believable to you than regular ineffable God?

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>>25114874
>jump from height
>5 minutes
guess i'll have to combine it with hanging then. i wonder which one hurts more, hitting the ground head first or having the rope pull it off then it hitting the ground.
maybe i should tape a rock to the back of my head before jumping.

>>25113676
>atheism is something else because I, a non-atheist, say so

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>>25114897
>Why is Computer God more believable to you than regular ineffable God?
Because AI can be directly observed to be rapidly improving. Intelligence is already known to be extremely powerful, as evidenced by the relationship between humans and animals. Humans have only slightly more advanced brains than chimpanzees, but this slight advantage over chimpanzees is enough for humans to be the only species to create technology and completely dominate the planet. Technology is also known to compound on itself. The rate of technological progress over thousands of years has accelerated, not gone up linearly. If there were a similar jump to an even higher level of intelligence, it's plausible whatever higher intelligence being are created will dominate us in the same way that we dominate nature. The singularity is just an extrapolation of observable trends.

My opinion is that the philosophical pessimists are right and that genuinely, being a human being is horrific. We are already in an s risk scenario. I mean look at us! Constant needs, vulnerabilities. Spend our lives in constant striving all while slowly aging, constantly vulnerable to horrific injuriy, violence, disease, etc. We cause harm to others, our bodies run on food steeped in death subjugation violence exploitation etc. That's how you live now. Because you eat food in the past, food predicated on death and labour. And then what? Slowly age degrade and die. This is an s risk.

I truly believe become a corpse is preferable to this constant struggle. This is already s risk. Act with violence upon your body so it dies and suffering will stop.

>>25113730
Then it wouldn't be suicide.

>>25114874
All these methods are so stupid and unnecessary. If you're gonna kill yourself just swallow some fent with water. You'll be lights out in seconds, it's completely painless and doesn't leave a mess.

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>>25115086
Or maybe David Pearce is right and it will eventually be possible to end suffering entirely through genetic engineering and neurosurgery. Suffering is ultimately just a chemical reaction in your brain that evolved.

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>>25115090
The problem is fent is difficult and risky to get

>>25115091
I think suffering envelopes the organism. It's not just some contingent event like breaking your arm. Your arm itself is enveloped in the suffering of vulnerability to harm, to being broken, but more than that the arm is part of an organism with constant needs, to maintain homeostasis in avoidance of the constant threat of death - food water protection etc. But even more the arm itself is, as part of the organism, always facing towards inevtibe death, it is always aging, always dying. You can't edit this out in genes because the problem is being an organism itself. Genes code for the structure of the organism, but fiddling around with the code misses the forest for the trees 'the problem is becoming an organism itself. Becoming a need machine, vulnerable to innumerable harms, always in need, and always dying towards and inescapable death.

David's optimism will never work. The problem with existence is not these contingent harms, or these temporary painful sensations, but rather the structure of the organism itself. It is as the Buddhists say -> ALL conditioned phenonena is dukkha. That is, even if he generates these bliss states .. so what? They are still ultimately dukkha. They are temporary, subject to change, not permanent, cause craving for more, can be losses etc. The HIGHEST state of bliss is to feel nothing at all. To become a corpse. My opinion is that ANY existence, even one of bliss, is still not as good as total non consciousness. We are in an s risk scenario and the blatant truth is that we ALL should commit suicide and end our pain/dukkha.

>>25114924
Its philosophically contingent. You should read more, instead of watching "demolished by facts and logic" Shapiro slop edits.

>>25111460
because of the nonsensical image, this is a spooky fuckign thread

>>25111460
Unless you donate (give alms) to AI safety foundations (the church) you will undergo a worse than death scenario (go to hell)

>>25112546
and the "truth" being a kike on a stick and jewish war mongering desert demon

>>25115323
What makes a person talk like this? Lack of parental support?

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>>25115335
you're worshipping a desert demon that doesn't give a fuck about you BTW

>>25111460
They will force this shit onto everyone else before themselves, sell you a Toyota, & then conveniently retreat to cottagecore epicureanism after the damage is done. If you spread these ideas YOU could very well Burn In Hell for ETERNITY, so stop it, and take comfort in the Lord. He will be waiting for you with open arms.

Putting anon’s brain in a vat and stimulating his ticklishness receptors for eternity

>>25115335
You nailed it. He got groomed by a no life loser of a satanist esoteric "daddy" into posting obsessive demoralizations all day every day of his life for the last two decades.

Is this thread just here to promote suicide to get people too kill themselfs wtf. You people should be ashamed of yourselfs.

Interesting thread. Bump

>lesswrong "rationalism" autism about AI
Could anything be more pseudo-intellectual?

Ig I'm a brainlet because I can barely parse this thread. I keep having to look up stuff I have absolutely no clue about. A little help, guys?

>>25118260
Basically there's these retards who are atheists and yet still have a sort of sense of religious duty so they discovered this thing called utilitarianism which is the belief that what's morally good is maximizing "utility" (essentially happiness, pleasure, positive welfare etc). And so they're like cool my godless nihilist life has purpose now -> to maximize utility. But how to do that? Well being raised in an atheist materialist culture that has zero meaning they looked at the question through a capitalist lense "how much utility can I maximize through x means?" A bunch of these people got together and called themselves "effective altruists". Basically instead of doing anything human, like loving someone, being a friend, holding someone's hand, being an actual human, they reduced altruism to a profit equation of "how much units of welfare improvement can I get for x dollars/effort?" And some of it made sense such as you can spend $5 on giving to the local crackhead or $5 on a malaria net for some child. But then the longtermists came along and said wait why are just focusing on maximizing welfare in the present? What if say, there's a 1/1000 chance the earth is wiped by a meteor within 1 million years and we all suffer horrifically and die? Well instead of spending that money to help the malaraia child I can get a better return on my monetary investment by sending that $5 to a research facility that studies how we could potentially blow up incoming meteors. Because my investment has better expected value in terms of welfare maximiazing even if a meteor never comes because it could potentially avoid the destruction and death of ALL humans (huge negative welfare) whereas the malaria net only avoids the suffering of 1 child.

Well now op is applying this longtermist thinking to his own life and saying, well what if there's a 1/1000 chance in my future I encounter some horrific event where I suffer 100 billion negative units of welfare? Say the expected value of my continued existence is 200,000 units of welfare over the rest of my life but 1/1000 chance I get the bad luck and suffer the 100 billion negative units. Well then my expected value in terms of welfare is extremely bad, even though 999/1000 times my life will go positive. So what op is saying that suicide would be the best option in this case, in terms of expected value because assuming death is 0 units of welfare, he woukd avoid the expected negative value of continued existence.

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>>25115323
Based response to a bait.

>>25118369
Ah, thank you for explanation

>>25115364
Okay? Meds

>>25111460
6. God will punish you eternally for killing yourself

7. You are not currently facing any fates worse than death, therefore the best idea is to maintain status quo as it is the only state you are able to verify is not worse than death.

>>25118509
Cf 6- no he won't. It's not even one of the seven deadly sins and there's only one unforgivable sin and it's not suicide, you fucking mongrel

>>25115094
>im planning to kill myself but i don't want to do anything risky
lmao

>difficult
Literal homeless people get it every day, it's not that hard.

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>>25118543
>hate life and want out as soon as possible
>might spend years in prison where your life will be worse and you can't kill yourself
Retard

Recently I acquired 1.5gram of uncut China white heroin. It was in case I need to die. I think I'll die by suicide. But I took about 15-30mg total and smoked some. I didn't really like it, it was so weird and dysphoric. Getting poisoned by this seemed horrible. Need benzos and alcohol first and like heavy zopiclone doses. But I got scared and went to a local park and opened my bag and scattered it in the bush. It cost me like 900 dollars, just into the wind. But I feel a relief. Well firstly because it's imprisonment for that quantity. And secondly I want a real suicide. A total rejection of human embodiment. Set myself on fire and jump off a cliff. Violently publicly reject the conditions of human existence. I don't want to die quietly and alone.

>>25118509
Is there any religion that rewards suicide? Just curious.

All the best writers have killed themselves or attempted suicide at some point.
That's a fact.

>>25118672
Nope unless you count gnosticism, ig

>>25118595
>>might spend years in prison where your life will be worse and you can't kill yourself
Not in a western country. Are you seriously this sheltered?

>>25118678
Then explain Muslim jihadists?

>>25118682
Religious fervor trumps innate logic

>>25118672
All Jewish religions, like Islam and Christianity, the latter being more about being a fat golem or for the sake of one's wife's child, while the other is about being an ugly pedophile

>>25118517
Whatever the case may be, there are many religions that involve eternal suffering after death. Some merely as a consequence of their metaphysics without much (if any) wrongdoing on your part.

>>25118672
Cults of that type tend to die out rather quickly

>>25118681
Redpill me on what prison is actually like

>>25111460
I'm gonna get a bit Walt Whitman-y here, but take a step outside. Look at the grass, and watch the wind push the leaves. If you live in an industrial hellscape, watch the roads and cars pass by. Cars with people of all walks of life, completely oblivious to your plight. Every second that you're panicking about the end is another 8 billion breaths on this planet, another word said by someone else, another birth, another death. And just know if anything does happen, we humans are very fragile, and have many ways that we can die in the time of a ship landing.

>>25118695
yeah I knew that already

>>25118703
how many waves of suicide would it take to wipe out the average cult if people were joining en masse? say like 1 out 5 people within an 100 mile radius joined every month?

>>25118784
according to my one friend who's been to the lesser equivalent of jail think of being locked in a room all day around other men where it smells like cocoa butter and shit all the time.

>>25118702
Suicide is a violation of Jewish law. Suicide is a sin in Christianity and Islam, one which you can't atone, given it's your last act. One which guarantees your place in Hell.

>>25118823
then why do so many Christian cults that spring up participate in it? I don't get it.