teletransportation paradox

newcomb’s’s solved and uninteresting.

>>25112600
Imo? Ship Of Thesus

>>25112632
The tragedy of the Commons is good too

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>interesting
>philosophy

>>25112645
Go back

>>25112632
Solved by Aristotelean logic, the substance remains the same but the accidents change.

>>25112600
Unlucky Lisa gets a call from her 24-hr bank telling her that hackers have accessed her account and are taking $200 out of it every 5 min until Lisa shows up in person to put a hold on her account. Due to some legal loophole, the bank is not required to reimburse Lisa for any of the money she may lose nor will they. In fact, if her account is overdrawn, the bank will seize as much of her assets as is needed to pay the debt created by the hackers.

Fortunately, for Lisa, the bank is just across the street from her work and she can get there in fewer than 5 min. She was even about to walk to the bank as part of her daily routine. On her way, Lisa notices a vast space of land covered with hundreds of newly formed shallow ponds, each of which contains a small child who will drown unless someone pulls them to safety. Lisa knows that for each child she rescues, an extra child will live who would have otherwise died. Now, it would take Lisa approximately 5 min to pull each child to safety and, in what can only be the most horrifically surreal day of her life, Lisa has to decide how many children to rescue before entering the bank. Once she enters the bank, all the children who have not yet been rescued will drown.

Things only get worse for poor Lisa. For the remainder of her life, the hackers repeat their actions on a daily basis and, every day, the ponds adjacent to Lisa’s bank are filled with drowning children.

>>25112600
>what do you mean you don't want to bear the responsibility of the entire world all at the same time?
>you're evil because you don't want to send your money to my charity to "help the children" (and establish a western military presence in Africa)
>probably came up with the idea while seeing a child drowning on Epstein's island
Singer is a fraud.

>>25112800
He seems like an unusually boring person honestly, not an island-goer
Only his ideas are edgy

>>25112810
Plenty of boring nerds went there. His ideas aren't edgy at all, they're very beneficial to the powers that be in the western world. They are stupid, but you shouldn't confuse that with being "edgy"

>>25112785
All Lisa needs to do is ignore the hackers and the bank

>>25112785
call 911, thats their problem
>>25113130
yeah governah should reimburse her for bolunteer work if thats true, in fact
>>25112785
Lisa stays fixing the kids bc for each child she saves the govt pays her 25 dollars so she makes good money on this— approx. $240 per hour if my not mistaken

>>25112785
ive heard this one before. the ansswer is:
>save 1 child
5 minute later:
>by now all the other children are drownt
>next go to bank and fix your business
>even collext key to the city from the mayor later and sell in ebay for a tidy daily profit

>>25112632
a consequence of the Platonist mind virus
Sad!

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>>25112785
I rob the bank

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>>25112600
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertiginous_question

>>25113216
>consciousness outside of mine exists
Npc dialogue is hilarious.

>>25112785
Easy. The children are stastically brown subhuman retards, their drowning is the best thing for everyone.

>>25113216
>throw everything under the sun at the wall
ai-tier response (ie; dogshit grade)

Only those with a high IQ can solve this problem:
Walking > running > various transportation > teleportation > ???

>>25113259
NEET LIFE

>>25113208
I'm not a Platonist

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>>25113259
Zeno was right, motion is impossible

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>>25113466
Yes you are. You’ve been a Platonist your entire life, you just didn’t know it.

>>25113468
Zeno was wrong. He's problem can be easily solved by "infinite series" in math

>>25113293
>>25113468
Wong.

>>25113259
omnipresence

>>25113259
> ... already being there
My IQ is in the 2 digits so your test is flawed.

>>25113259
Thesis: here
Antithesis: there
Synthesis: moving between

>>25113259
FTL travel

>>25112600
Thought experiments are lazy hacks of philosophers who know that their argument is weak

>>25112785
What color are the children?

>>25114133
the children are masked. that stat is impossible to determine until you reach into the pond to unmask them.

>>25114340
If it takes 5 minutes to unmask each chils and I spend eight hours at the pond, my limit is 96 brown children drowned per day. In my city, 50% are brown and 80% under 18 are brown, so that corresponds to roughly 28,000 drowned brown children on average per year.

>>25114410
that is exactly what i was hoping you might say. ill be back later tonight to read out your sentence.

>>25114340
>the children are masked
Then we know what color they are.

>>25114412
That's much less than the 3.6 million births per year (and about 2 million of those are brown) so essentially negligible unless the hackers call about 20-50 chuds per day.

A better moral dilemma is this: For every child you save, you must pick one who dies. If you leave the pond, the children won't all drown, however, another person will be randomly selected to tend to the ponds, and there is a possibility that it will be a chud who will let one brown child drown for every one white child they save. Therefore you must spend as much time as possible and save zero children more compared to not doing so, or else another person might alter the distribution of child deaths to favor one ethnicity over another. Do you incur massive debt to prevent an unequal racial distribution of child drownings?

>>25114425
>Do you incur massive debt to pay higher taxes

>>25114412
>>25114425
Do note that since you will eventually have to leave the ponds to sleep, another person will take your place and may begin unequally distributing drowning deaths. That means if you are saving on a totally egalitarian or representative basis, there is a possibility that the combined effect of chuds will keep the total drowning deaths skewed in favor of the white children. That means in order to preserve an equal total distribution of drowning deaths, you must allow mostly or only white children to drown. There is also the possibility that the average will already be skewed to saving brown children, and the net effect of your actions will be to increase the unequal distribution against white children, as whites are on average the least biased and other ethnicities have much greater favorability and bias towards their own ethnicity. However, your knowledge is imperfect, so you do not know what the total drownings per year from the ponds actually will be.

Also note, that no matter what choice you make, the amount of deaths added will be statistically insignificant and result in no change at all to society or any alteration of demographic distribution.

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>>25114440
I train the kids I save to save more white kids for an exponentially growing militia.

>>25114475
you dont even get to the end of day 1
ill return later
tonite to explain everything

>>25112785
she should withdraw all her money, close her account, and start a child coffin business. Sounds like business would be booming.

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>>25113244
>seething this hard over an iceberg chart

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I think about this A LOT!

>>25113293
>>25113468
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>>25113979
He got it >>25113862

>>25114687
infinite speed = omnipresence
>but
learn to powerscale retard
goku solos

>Most interesting philosophy thought experiments?
Who would win in a fight, 100 horse-sized ducks or 1 duck-sized horse.

>>25114877
gorilla slams

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>>25114871
>he requires speed at all

>>25114597
[ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ]*

>>25114687
no he didnt

>>25112645
/thread

>>25115170
retard alert

>>25113216
this is all lesswrong/EA shit right? into le trash it goes

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>>25112600
>What if a room were Chinese?

>>25112600
Schopenhauer has a great one to demonstrate the absurdity of materialism. Suppose you were able to explain all the very differing physical phenomena of the universe by means a single phyiscal explanation, and eventually managed to explain knowledge itself by means of a physical explanation. Imagine the hilarity after discovering that this last thing which was so painstakingly explained by physical explanations, knowledge itself, was already presupposed from the very start when attempting to explain irreducibly differing physical phenomena with a single physical explanation.

>>25116250
>I ROOM. YOU PERSON. YOU LEAVE, GETAOUT NOW. ONLY CHINESE PEEPILL ALLOW INSIDE ME.

Plato's allegory of the cave is another great one, if not the very best.

>>25112785
>not saving someone = killing them!!!!11
What an infantile mentality. We all die eventually. When your life path intersects wtih the opportunity to help someone else at relatively low risk/cost to yourself, you do it, but no one does or should make it their entire life path to help others unless they feel a calling to do so

>>25116431
What would you say the approximate cutoff is for a relatively low monetary cost to save a life?
>no one does or should make it their entire life path to help others unless they feel a calling to do so
FWIW, the paper is titled "Sometimes there is nothing wrong with letting a child drown"
https://philarchive.org/archive/TIMSTI

>>25113472
Sure, pal.

>>25112600
Post birth abortion thought experiment
It was a paper from about a decade ago

>>25117577
>What would you say the approximate cutoff is for a relatively low monetary cost to save a life?
As a one-time thing maybe half your monthly after-taxes income
As a repeated thing less than 10% of income
That's assuming of course the thing about your life path intersecting with the life needing saving such that you are one of the most obvious candidates to step up. Big difference between feeding your starving neighbors and feeding some niggers in Africa. One of those is decidedly not your fucking problem

>>25118165
I get proximity as a condition for social norms and for an instinctual sense of obligation but I have trouble justifying it as an actual ethical rule

>>25113216
>Why am I me and not someone else?
Because you have unique genetics and experiences, and you're categorized by your not being someone else. This is why philosophy is dumb, it's just a pedantic or pretentious framing of shit that's simple.

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>>25112785
False analogy. The real analogy is a beach filled with and unending number of children about to drown. As one is saved, it is replaced by a group downstream known as Sin, run by an entity called Satan.

Relying on your own strength to save the children will ultimately save none, as they will just be pushed back into the current later after you yourself are exhausted and drown.

Only the Lord Jesus is capable of saving them, and only by accepting him can you transfigure the suffering of this falls cosmos into the unspeakable glory of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns for ever with the Father who is without begining, in the unity of their life giving Spirit.

Therefore, save the children but pray for mercy, and ardently beseech the ever-virgin blessed Theotokos, all the angels of the heavenly hosts, and all the saints, that guided and guarded by their array we may attain the unity of faith and the salvation of our souls.

>>25119504
Nigga there is a reason instincts are instincts. They are best practices developed from millions of years of trial and error.
Also I justify proximity with the simple fact that it helps reduce the chance that your charity will rebound negatively, like charity towards strangers and other tribes so often does.
Avoiding the self-destruction of you and people who share your ethical worldview should probably be the lynchpin of any system of ethics, no?

>>25120345
>Avoiding the self-destruction of you and people who share your ethical worldview
so much for the so-called tolerant left

>>25120357
Christian right falls into the same trap with the pro-life nonsense, Israel worship, missions to lost causes like Haiti, etc.
Fanatics of all stripes tend to forget that balance is important

>>25120345
They are best practices for achieving evolutionary success in a fairly different environment from the present one.
If evolutionary success were my goal then my first priority should be to patronize as many sperm banks as possible. But I don't want to do that. And neither do you probably. Because as an explicit end goal it's hollow and unsatisfying and because the best means for achieving it no longer even line up with our instinctual sense of what's meaningful.
My sense that there's such a thing as "ethics" at all comes from these evolutionary instincts and that obviously puts me in a bit of a bind but I don't see any better alternatives to trying to construct some autistically coherent system.
>Avoiding the self-destruction of you and people who share your ethical worldview should probably be the lynchpin of any system of ethics, no?
I don't think that's a likely outcome of saving children from dying of malaria. In part because of a libshit world model that you should feel free to ignore but also because it actually counteracts overpopulation. Getting rid of malaria and similar causes of child mortality reduces the number of children people have (presumably because they're more confident that the children they do have make it to adulthood) leading to lower population growth. But maybe you have other mechanisms in mind?
And there's the opportunity cost of helping strangers rather than strengthening your own group but these Singerian causes are so ludicrously cheap compared to what's going on at home that I can't justify neglecting them.

>>25112615
What's the solution?

>>25112600
>ctrl+F book
>no results
any books about philosophy thought experiments?