>>25115290
I think its more useful to read mythology as following a dream-like logic of word associations, local knowledge, worldviews, remembered histories, rituals, etc. Theyre the subconscious of a culture. Every event described in a myth can have many connotations besides the surface level one, many of the original meanings might even be forgotten as the culture itself changes.

You also have to be careful not to sneak in modern ways of thinking about certain concepts. 'primoridal waters' do not have to be literal H2O water (many mythologies consider the milky way to be a kind of cosmic ocean), and the start of time does not have to mean what we mean with time in physics (it can mean something like, the start of recorded history, the start of memory, etc).

You seem to think of them as comic book characters written to make sense in the context of modern scientific understanding, powerscaling and fanwikis. A deeply reddit way of thinking about mythology.

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>>25115305
You know I was fascinated by some ideas.

For example how the fuck the ancient people of the bible actually did think the universe operated.

See picture.

And you can make up all the flat earth logic and physics you like (the disc accelerates upwards ~10 m/s because of universal acceleration) it still makes no sense like explain to me how there can be water above and water below. Simply explain god separating the waters.

Modern creationist says:
>Umm that is like water evaporating into the atmosphere
Then it is not separated and mixes back and forward! You failed!
Hit me with your best flat earth logic!

Like I asked about this and christians can not answer, no one can not even scholars of ancient people.

Have another from the bible
God separates light and darkness
Like WTF? Ok so WTF happened?
Before this if I open my eyes what will I see? Like what will I see it will not be light and it will not be darkness, they will be merged together into one ??????
So some bizarre skyrim night style gray fogginess?
Christian says
>NO!
Christian searches for cope
>That is talking about good and evil
So god created good and evil? And before that there was some moral grayness?
>christian.exe stopped working

Like hit me with your best flat earth logic if it makes no sense say so or try to explain to me how some primitives can even think this.

>God opens windows in the sky to let water rain.
This I can understand how a child can think this, also this is written by someone who literally did never work with water or containers under it since this will make all the air escape and drown the world submarine (for a lack of a better word over time). However I can imagine how some primitive can think that water magically turn into air over time or something.

>The Goddess nute is the sky
OK I open my eyes and look upwards before she existed WTF will I see?

This thread reeks of reddit

>>25115330
Lmao this is an insanely funny issue to get this worked up over.
Putting aside the whole thing about not being literalist about mythology (which creationists also are, hence their stupidity), even in the literal reading this really should not be an issue.
You can say the americas divide the Atlantic and pacific ocean despite the fact that they are ultimately one continuous body of water. In this model, the earth as center of the universe forces an orientation of above/below on a previously centerless/unorientable primordial ocean.

>>25115330
Heh

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>>25115342
>Lmao this is an insanely funny issue to get this worked up over.
Like I was saying this is a hobby.
To imagine what these people imagined in old times (helps for crazy fantasy world building).

>It is like
You can make shit up at this point.

This cosmology (max cropped by creationists and flat earthers) is interesting since this water looks like it is endless. meaning if we zoom out this world submarine we live in occupies an infinite (lets ignore water pressures here)expanse of water where it is a insignificant spec.

Hardly dividing in any metaphorical sense like the Americas if you look at a map!

If this is not an infinite expanse of water.... then are there walls? Some end to it?

These are real questions and I suspect that others asked these questions in history.

If you read genesis it becomes more strange trying to put this all together
(before the separation)
>In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
So we have earth and heavens(plural whatever that is lets ignore that) before the separation of the waters....

So 100% of the flat earth made from rock exists now?
And the waters are not separated? This debunks your Americas theory.

>darkness was over the surface of the deep
The what? So there is some deep? What?

> And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
So we have day and night and light and dark whatever that is and no separation of the waters.....

> And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
And we get the dome/firmament and this magic separation.
like WTF did the original people who wrote this trash think these 2 types of waters are or where they are? Where is this separation? What is this garbage even?

>even in the literal reading this really should not be an issue.

There is a reason why no christian genesis cartoon or animation who ever is accurate to the text only unrelated bullshit scenes. Like try to draw this one out.

>even in the literal reading this really should not be an issue.
What are the waters above and waters below? Like give me answers!
Not even flat earthers can do that! They have their snow globe model however it only partially fits the bible and can not be reconciled with genesis.

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>>25115342
>>25115382
2/2

Of course the solution is simple all this bullshit are repeated stories from their father with dementia and mental illness who is telling them this shit. And then literal schizophrenics (prophets) where babbling bullshit about 7 heavens and the heaven of heavens and other idiots wrote it down and repeated in a cult where the plebs are not allowed to question all of this and if you do not understand it then you are the problem and stupid.

And we arrive at today and the stories make no sense whatsoever.

Based thread

>>25115382
Are you by any chance autistic?

>>25115386
>Everyone who is smarter then me is autistic
COPE.

>>25115387
just trying to tell if you ignore what other people are saying because you are just stupid or because you got some communication issues.

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>>25115390
>You are stupid
>You have communication issues
You know what lets make this simple.
Draw me a map of this cosmology.
Simply draw it, use MS Paint or something.

I suspect you are to retarded to do that since you are mentally disabled. Very good at sniffing your own word farts, yet unable to construct anything.

Your inability to draw a map of this cosmology proves that you are retarded. Can we agree?
If you draw it I can show you where I see the problems OK?

boring bait thread. OP get a better life, seek something hard to do, why are you killing yourself writing all of this dumb shit

>first there was nothing....
>then all of the potential energy that will ever conceivably exist condensed into a single point before spreading at the speed of light
what's the chance this is the sort of shit you believe in, OP?

>>25115330
>it still makes no sense like explain to me how there can be water above and water below.
>doesn't know about the luminiferous aether and thinks he's allowed to have an opinion on the topic
lol, midwit.

>>25115290
>Mythology
AAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>Am I the only one who after getting a lot into mythology finds gods really retarded, stupid, absurd and cringe?
No. There is Reddit.
>>25115305
>You seem to think of them as comic book characters written to make sense in the context of modern scientific understanding, powerscaling and fanwikis. A deeply reddit way of thinking about mythology.
Fippy Bippy.
>>25115330
>For example how the fuck the ancient people of the bible actually did think the universe operated.
>And you can make up all the flat earth logic and physics you like (the disc accelerates upwards ~10 m/s because of universal acceleration) it still makes no sense like explain to me how there can be water above and water below. Simply explain god separating the waters.
Most of the traditional cosmogony of the Ancient Israelites has Paleolithic roots that have no definite interpretation just due how old they are. If you are not satisfied with the material at hand, just bear this in mind. E.g. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" [Genesis 1:1]. This refers to the separation of the primordial waters from the primordial sky [aka "The sky was close to the ground, then rose." B77,A625.2, A660.], which in the beginning were one undifferentiated mass. Please, consult https://www.mythologydatabase.com/loginmythdb.php

>>25115464
>lol, midwit.
Shit meme you literal retard.

No model, no simulation.
You have nothing.

>>25115467
>This refers to the separation of the primordial waters from the primordial sky
WRONG.

In genesis 1-6 we get this:
> And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

You cope this one.

> Please, consult
OK why not tell me?

>>25115480
>WRONG
>genesis 1-6
They are the same the event (if we are talking about motifs, not a literal interpretation of the text). You can interpret otherwise, but again, the first verses of Genesis almost certainly refer to B77, with a little bit of B3a "primary waters".
>OK why not tell me?
Ok.

>>25115489
>Ok.
I am not login into your website!
LOL!

> not a literal interpretation of the text
You can make up all kinds of shit if you remove parts of it and start making up other shit.

>I am not login into your website!
Fine, here is the original version you do not need to log in (but is in Russian): https://www.ruthenia.ru/folklore/berezkin/
>>25115492
>You can make up all kinds of shit if you remove parts of it and start making up other shit.
That's why I linked the website, for you to know that I am not making shit up when I link those verses to very known folkloric motifs.

>>25115495
>hat's why I linked the website
Translation:
>So umm I linked to some other guys who are making shit up
And this helps how?

>>25115498
> some other guys who are making shit up
Even if this is trolling, I would like to know why you think that.

>>25115500
????
What are you even on?

There are 3 sources something can come from
1) You discovered it yourself
2) Someone else discovered it
3) A group of people discovered it.

The strength of the argument rests on itself regardless of its source.

What did you fail to understand?

In other words
>It is true because some guy/website says it
is not a valid reason.

Now repeat the argument in English I will not make an account to your bullshit website or learn Russian, Putin!

>>25115501
>Now repeat the argument in English I will not make an account to your bullshit website or learn Russian, Putin!
Lol So there is this website made by Russian Historian Yuri Berezkin (Ю́pий Бepёзкин) that you can track folkloric motifs and their sources. The first verses of Genesis correspond to the motifs B77 and B3a there, which have been recorded in over 200 traditions around the world. It's just this.

>>25115524
>Yuri Berezkin
Irrelevant who says it!
>track folkloric motifs
So again to ignoring the bible and making things up.

>motifs
It also mentions water and separating things....
OK and?

How is this helping us understand how the ancient people who wrote these stories and their theories about the cosmos?

>>25115290
>>Ah yes I am Thor and this is my hammer!
Thunder and lightning comes about through a type of cold fusion or fission from clouds of different temperatures smashing into each other like city sized hammers.
One can then deduce that Thor is the power of fusion in stars too, and that even gravitational waves from black holes or neutron stars are cosmic thunder.

>>25115478
All modern physics implies an aether, they just call it quantum fields instead

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>>25115551
>One can then deduce that Thor is the power of fusion in stars too, and that even gravitational waves from black holes or neutron stars are cosmic thunder.
Ok schizo.
The fact is that it is an absurd story about dwarfs making his hammer for him therefore
Dwarfs > GODS.

Actually the Norse shit is cringe and retarded sitcom shit like Thor dressing up as a bride to some ice giant or some shit. Basically it is identical to plots from Dragon ball GT.

OP is an angry little anti-white semite.

>>25115290
>Am I the only one who after getting a lot into mythology finds gods really retarded, stupid, absurd and cringe?
Yes, kys, impious faggot

>>25115458
Pretty high if the rig veda touched your culture

I remember reading a book of world myths as a kid and was always annoyed by the jump from nothing to something that you find in a lot of them.

They would often read something like:
>In the beginning there was nothing
>And then the Great Parrot Tukanamolu laid an egg and that egg was the earth

And I would get fired up because where the fuck did this cosmic bird or similar entity come from of there was nothing?

Anyway, as others have pointed out the value of mythology is not in its literalism.

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>>25116169
>Anyway, as others have pointed out the value of mythology is not in its literalism.
What is its value then?

>And I would get fired up because where the fuck did this cosmic bird or similar entity come from of there was nothing?
The bigger problem is that the only man or woman in this nothingness somehow finds another god and has sex with him. Where did he come from?

However the far more frustrating part is how nonsensical it all is.
>The earliest god, Ra and/or Atum (both being creator/sun gods), emerged from a chaotic state of the world and gave rise to Shu (air) and Tefnut (moisture), from whose union came Geb (earth) and Nut (sky),
Like WTF. Lets think about it.

So the sky did not exist when Ra and/or Atum emerged from a chaotic state of the world??? And no earth??? On What did this clown exist? I open my eyes after Ra shows up and WTF do I even see?

Since Geb (earth) and Nut (sky) did not exist!!!!
However there was Air and moisture Shu (air) and Tefnut (moisture). However before not even that existed... ???? !!!! WTF?

>>25116965
Have you tried not being an underage brown teenager from india

>>25116968
Have you tried not being a retarded idiot who sniffs his own farts?

>>25116969
>So the sky did not exist when Ra and/or Atum emerged from a chaotic state of the world??? And no earth??? On What did this clown exist? I open my eyes after Ra shows up and WTF do I even see?

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>>25116974
>I'm a BBC addicted cuckold who can not answer questions.
Your blacked.com subscription is this way!

>>25115290
Contemporary scientific consensus reality:
>first there was something we can't understand
>it all condensed into a particle
>particle exploded creating the universe
>then was the earth
>then was the atmosphere
>then these very specific elements gave life to earth
Greek mythology:
>first there was chaos (Something we can't understand)
>then everything got ordered somehow
>the first gods were Gaia (Earth) and Uranus (Sky), and they gave birth to all the rest of the life

>>25115330
>it says there is water above so it MUST 100% MEAN that they believe there is an ocean above us!
Nigga. Look at the sky. There is literally water there.

Why is the metaphysics of western alchemy so similar to the metaphysics of Chinese alchemy?

>>25117480
>Nigga. Look at the sky. There is literally water there.
l quote myself.

Modern creationist says:
>Umm that is like water evaporating into the atmosphere
Then it is not separated and mixes back and forward! You failed!
Hit me with your best flat earth logic!

>>25117480
>there is an ocean above us
I did not draw this picture knife fight the one who did that.

If not explain your model?

>Nigga. Look at the sky. There is literally water there.
l quote myself.

Modern creationist says:
>Umm that is like water evaporating into the atmosphere
Then it is not separated and mixes back and forward! You failed!
Hit me with your best flat earth logic!