>>25116237
>high Faulknerian modernism
Midwits need to be culled

>sometimes u can be in a crowd of people and feel alone!
cliche much dude dfw really does suck doesn't he

What is prose you guys keep saying it and atp I'm afraid to ask

>>25116237
[Norman Rockwell's Freedom of Speech painting meme]

I think this prose is neither extraordinary nor bad.

>>25116266
the prose is ok i find the cheap sentimentality lame tho not reading 1000 pages of shit like that

>>25116237
you can tell the guy being retweeted is larping and has no idea how to do lit analysis or exegesis, probably just another fat neckbeard ex-gamer trying to score some adulting points online. yawn. next.
>>25116258
maybe he meant joyce, he's the only modernist that dfw remotely resembles

This is such a great chapter and an interesting rebuttal of Gaddis.

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>>25116237
why did you crop out the trans's avatar? its relevant

>>25116237
It could be quite good if he cut superfluous details, but unfortunately superfluity was his thing. I just don't see who benefits from repetition of perfunctory or all the specific details about settings and products and whatnot. It's like something interesting is unfolding right before your eyes and instead of recording it you cast your lens upon the buildings or the sidewalk and only capture brief glimpses of the event. Maybe it's that the event isn't all that interesting.

>>25116290
>Page 219 of Infinite Jest refutes the detached, ironic despair in William Gaddis’s The Recognitions by shifting focus from intellectual, cynical critique to visceral, empathetic human connection. The scene transforms the theme of a "phony," artificial world into a raw, physical, and subjective experience of suffering, pivoting toward a post-postmodern sincerity. You can read user discussions on this topic on Reddit.

wow thanks gemini!

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>>25116237
Holy shit, this is first-draft stuff.

>>25116294
>>25116299
it's always funny-cringe to see the wannabe writers who self-publish slop on amazon critiquing dfw or pynchon lmao this is why /lit/ sucks in 96

>>25116325
>Immediately projects failed writing career
I would've preferred if you offered a thought of your own cuz now it's just sad

>>25116295
That is fairly reductive but not completely inaccurate. Gaddis spends his time shitting on the people at the party and shoves the suicide into the background over an over. It is manipulating the reader, spend enough time on the party so the reader forgets the suicide and then bring it back up and go "you are no better than the party goers, you sit there and criticize their inane babble that is not even worth criticism and I designed just to get you to criticize and ignore what is important that I tricked you into forgetting!"

Wallace reverses it, focuses on the suicide and pushes the party into the background, we might judge the party goers for their inane babble but not for missing the suicide in progress and they do act when they realize what is happening. We never leave the suicide long enough to forget it and get caught up in the party, we are very aware that this is what she is hearing in what she believes will be her final moments.

Not that the Gaddis sort of manipulation is bad, in some ways it is more effective because we forget, we get hit by it, over and over through the suicide's innocent and unwitting accomplice and it is with the accomplice where our sympathies really lie. And that last time Gaddis hits you, after the party is over and the deed has been done, it is effective. Wallace does not hit the reader with it, keeps you right there for whole thing and tells you up front what is going to happen, we are in the moment with Joelle and we are going to see it through to the end.

It is all manipulation in the end so it is difficult to say one way is better than the other and I am not sure I would have been as gutted by the post party events in that one party scene in TR had Gaddis not manipulated me. I certainly was not gutted by Wallace's take, but he was not trying to gut the reader, he wanted the reader to be there for it and remember what was important, not the inane babble and he succeeds.

>>25116360
>calls one of the greatest american novels of the 20th century "first-draft stuff"
get a load of urself dude lmao you will never make it as a writer, maybe try learning electric guitar.

>>25116373
yeah i know, there was a link to the reddit thread that says all that but it didn't get cut and pasted with it.

>>25116383
>t. was at both parties and had a great time

>>25116375
>one of the greatest american novels of the 20th century
LMAO. Only American pseudo-intellectuals think that.
Wallace has no reputation outside burgerland,

>>25116325
Learn to capitalise, faggot.

I think /lit/ is a little too harsh with DFW sometimes. He’s not the greatest writer ever (or even in the 90s) but he’s not that bad.

>>25116530
Yes, he is. Never post again.

So, what makes this bad?

This isn't bad. It's heavy and analytical, but that's DFW, and completely appropriate for the scene. I've always suspected he came to write this way due to his time spent studying mathematics. I wish people who say shit like "uh this is bad" would tell us why they think that so we can kindly explain to them how hard they were filtered.

>>25116530
>>25116546
Best writer in English born after 1945 I'm sorry to say

>>25116546
Come on anon… you don’t mean that, surely you’d rather read him over some Asian American trust funder born in 2003 writing about her inconsequential issues with her white boyfriend?

>>25116732
Oh yeah because the competition is brutal

The board will nod and you will go, and eyes of skin can cross blind into a cloud-blotched sky, punctured light emptying behind sharp stone that is forever. That is forever. Step into the skin and disappear.

>>25116237
The first paragraph was pretty good. The second paragraph was him huffing his own farts.

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>>25116263
>What is prose
It's not verse

>>25116283
That doesn't look like Joyce much

>>25116325
anon be cry

>>25116409
hell, in burgerland his fans are considered creepy tryhard chudcel types

>>25116577
it insists on itself

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>>25116237
reads like someone got their first thesaurus and is trying to sound like what they think is "smart"
I wouldn't say it's bad but it's certainly over-analytical, but I guess that's part of the appeal to DFW for people.

>>25116237
No discernible talent

>>25116237
>collecting his lighter
Who the fuck passes his lighter around a party. You use that shit in front of me and hand it back or I light it for you if I want to fuck you.