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>>23710627
Hell yeah bodied these e*Rthnoid frea-
>>23710636
Did you just disrespect MMD? THAT'S IT I'M A TITANS PATRIOT NOW WATCH OUT G-3 GAS FODDER ONE WHITE DEVIL WASN'T ENOUGH
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>>23710623
I am a lover of the OG GM, but honestly I think >>23710631 has it right on the money. Jegan is a worthy successor and a successful machine.
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*gets beaten up by a midget*
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I want to see Jegans show up in Hathaway 2 so bad, even if it means Hathaway uses them for target practice.
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>>23710623
>Is Jegan the GOAT of mass production suit?
Is any mad lad ever tried to mass produce it IRL? no? then it's not worthy of "mass production" title.
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>>23710623
Close but the GOAT is the GM.
>>23710942
Both are awesome, fuck I love grunt MS so much.
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>>23710623
Best Jegan coming through
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>>23710623
So far I've watched CCA and F91. I'm pretty sure in both of the movies the Jegan doesn't kill a single thing and only exists to get blown up. The ball made a better showing than the jegan.
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>>23722357
It had the misfortune of being in a movie so it doesn't get much good screen time and the animators spend more time using them to set up triple kills for Char than doing anything too productive.
>>23722357
>Jegan doesn't kill a single thing
Technically the Jegan shot down a damaged Re-GZ and in one of the CCA novels destroyed the Alpha Azieru
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>>23710623
Yes. Yes it is. My main kit in Gundam Breaker 4 was a Stark Jegan Blue Destiny with a Jesta backpack, that I recreated from one of those silly Char's Counterattack comics where he runs into ridiculous MS combo's and designs.
>>23720668
And all the goddamn Strike Daggers. Also Pbandai. Geezus.
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>>23722448
Yeah probably, I think the High Mobility Jegan with the dual rifles gets a kill, and in the last episode maybe Conroy's kills something too? More just a joke that even in the coolest intro sequence that gasses up the Jegan the best of basically anything ever it still doesn't even kill a funnel.
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>>23725257
Jesta, alternatively the ECOAS Jegans
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>>23725270
This is the F-22 of UC. Jesta is more of a F-21 or F-15SE
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>>23725363
If that's the case I don't think UC really had anything resembling the status of F22 until maybe F90? That would make sense for the Federation as they basically had run out of any potential adversaries after CCA.
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>>23722370
>took twenty two years for them to not be faceless, guileless mooks slaughtered by the dozens
That's a grim showing.
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>>23726250
>early UC size, late UC armor
Geara Dogas were just ahead of their time!
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Which Jegan variant has the bestlegs?
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>>23722276
No such thing
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>>23737869
You know it.
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>>23710623
>Is Jegan the GOAT of mass production suit?
Not exactly. It was the Federation's last decent attempt at mass production. But I would say the Jegan wasn't the best they could do during the 0090s.
During the 0079, the GM was a really solid attempt at a mobile suit. High end with brand new beam rifles and beam sabers. This was cutting edge technology. Maybe only slightly below the original Gundam, but the GM was still quite good.
During the 0080s, the Federation was constantly testing the limits of designs. Such as Hizacks (dominated everything during the early 0080s), Marasais, Asshimars, and Barzam. These were very high performance mass produced suits.
In comparison, the Jegan feels rather bland. The Federation was only putting in a half-hearted effort. Sure, the Jegan had the latest technology but it was quite clearly a very "budget" mass production suit. The Federation could have done better if they wanted to.
In car terms, if the UC 0080s were filled with Ferraris (Ashimars and Barzams), then the Jegan was Toyota Corrola. Not even a high end Toyota. Just a base model car.
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>>23739191
>Maybe only slightly below the original Gundam
That'd be GM Sniper 2 or GM Sniper iirc
>Such as Hizacks (dominated everything during the early 0080s)
I wonder how, when they're basically Gelgoog tier and can't power multiple beam weapons.
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>>23739205
>I wonder how, when they're basically Gelgoog tier
Manga shows them easily dominating old One Year War mobile suits and easily defeating leftover Zeon remnants.
>and can't power multiple beam weapons.
I don't even understand where this meme came from. Are you making fun of Hizack's machine gun?
The reason they use machine guns is because Hizacks often go inside colonies for mobile suit battles. You can't shoot beam rifles inside colonies. It's a sealed cylinder. Firing a beam rifle means the beam will continue traveling, and hit the inside of the colony wall and kill nearby civilians. The beam may potentially even punch through the wall of the colony. That's why Hizacks use machine guns anti-remnant operations inside Colonies.
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>>23739212
I'm honestly surprised that Gundam fans don't have common sense and expect all mobile suits to always be running around with beam weapons. It's the worst weapon to use inside or around a colony.
>BEAM BEAM BEAM. WHY DOESN'T IT HAVE MORE BEAMS??? NO BEAMS?? IT'S WEAK! NEEDS MORE BEAM!!
Pure autism from Gundam fans. 08th MS Team showed us that mobile suits are supposed to choose the best weapon for the job.
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>>23740179
I... I... I AM... I AM GONNNNNAAA B--B---BEAAAAAAAM!
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>>23740214
The Geymalk needed way more beams than they could fit on a mobile suit so once they ran out of space on the frame itself they decided to give it funnels too. But that still wasn't enough beams so they gave the funnels their own funnels so that it could vomit a hundred different beams in every possible direction
truly an 11/10 design
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>>23710623
This is real GOAT
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>>23739205
Gelgoogs have multiple beam weapons.
>>23739212
>I don't even understand where this meme came from.
Early Hizacks had faulty reactors that couldn't reach their intended output due to Anaheim messing with the parts supply.
https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/21735952/#21745696
It's been a lore thing forever, remember when old games like AEUG vs Titans let you pick the Hizack but force you to use a heat hawk when you pick the beam rifle, or only allow the beam saber when you pick the machine gun? Or the old G Gen games doing the same thing with the different color variations of the Hizack? Or Giren's Greed doing the same thing?
>Hizack with the beam saber has an ammo count of 140 for its machine gun, Hizack equipped with the heat hawk has ammo count of 10 for its beam rifle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2_mZcvhujs
>EFSF Hizack has machine gun paired with beam saber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcVAnl1Yl5E
>Titans Hizack has beam rifle paired with heat hawk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHgrTuBKOso
>Giren's Greed Hizack machine gun paired with beam saber
https://girensgreed.fandom.com/wiki/Hizack_(Machinegun)
More recent games started being more relaxed about it, but even Gundam Battle Operation 2 specifically mentions in the Hizack unit profile that their units have the reactor flaw corrected so you can intentionally choose the beam rifle and beam saber at the same time. You know they definitely had to put in that line of text just so autistic fans don't send the game devs emails about the Hizack being inaccurate.
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>>23739205
>That'd be GM Sniper 2 or GM Sniper iirc
The GM Sniper II is as good if not superior. The Gundam is mainly famous because of Amuro. Otherwise it's kind of middle of the pack by the end of the war in terms of tech. It's not even better than the G-3, let alone the rest of the Gundams.
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>>23739212
>I don't even understand where this meme came from. Are you making fun of Hizack's machine gun?
Model manuals say this. The MG details it the most. The pulse module for routing power or whatever can't handle charging a beam saber and using beam rifle at the same time. It's also why it still has external cables just to operate. The internal wiring is a mess because it's a frankenstein of Feddie and Zeon tech stuff into a beefy zaku body.
IIRC AOZ retcons a few things. The Hizack is a cheap AE production version of a Federation developed state-of-the-art prototype Hizack, which was used as the base for some of the TTT hizack variants. There was internal fighting between the federation and AE over what reactor to use resulting in the design issues that led to power issues, but it was fixed in late production models. Pretty sure Master Archive also has some commentary about this.
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>>23739212
The prototype btw. You can see the beam rifle is standard.
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>>23740916
Please explain to me how Hizack can have a 360 degree cockpit screen when it only has a single mono-eye main camera? We saw in ZZ Gundam that hooking up a Zaku head breaks the 360 cockpit and makes 360 cockpit partially non-functional.
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>>23741454
Zaku head lens FOV too small and camera system isn't suitable with panoramic cockpit view systems of the body
Hizack head lens FOV very big and cameras all over the MS are compatible with it's camera subsystem
Think firmware and software and interfacing level compatibilities and compromises
Source: [just made it up]
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>>23741454
The Zeta Zaku didn't work because that was an impromptu field repair to a unit that wasn't 100% compatible.
There's an episode in ZZ where Neo Zeon pilots are using Zaku IIs on flight units and those have fully functional panoramic cockpits.
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>>23741454
The same way any other MS has a 360 degree cockpit screen when it only has dual eyes facing forward. We saw in ZZ that old OYW Zakus can have panoramic cockpits.
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>>23742589
except for when they're unmanned, that's a buff to their performance
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>>23742589
I've been rewatching Zeta recently and it's shocking how much the Nemo is fumbled. There's an episode in the early-middle on earth where Amuro doesn't have a designated mobile suit yet and the writers had the option to either give him Char's Rick Dias or use a Nemo for an episode. For some unfathomable reason he shares the Rick Dias with Char.
This was the easiest slam dunk of their lives, just have Amuro use the Nemo for an episode or even two to show what it can do, hype the machine up, and then leave it to job later to show how good the new Titan suits are. Instead, the Nemo is never ever shown to be a good suit, and just instantly folds because it's ALWAYS either a grunt pilot or one of the complete noobs like Katz or Fa.
This genuinely annoyed me as a viewer.
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>>23743009
You are starting to realize that real life politics influence anime.
The Rick Dias model kit was released before Nemo. Therefore Bandai wanted to promote the Rick Dias as much as possible. Therefore Amuro gets in the Rick Dias over the nearby Nemo.
This is the exact type of thing that Director Tomino was upset about. Real life toy sales and politics slowly influencing the story he wanted to tell.
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>>23743009
Reminder that one time they stuck Amuro in a GM and had him eat shit. Char can't even tell that Amuro was piloting it.
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>>23743862
>le beam spray gun is only good at close range, amuro says from like 100m away
>beam saber randomly doesn't work and Char kicks straight through where it should have been
>z'gok is literally flying around like magic
Man The Origin was garbage. Yas was only good at drawing.
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>>23743893
>beam saber randomly doesn't work and Char kicks straight through where it should have been
The drawing and choreography isn't that good, but the panel is supposed to show that Char stepped back and dodged the slash.
>le beam spray gun is only good at close range, amuro says from like 100m away
I believe Amuro is saying that Char is too fast and keeps dodging. So the spray gun can only work when Amuro much closer.
Overall it's a mixed bag. The reaction time of the GM is slower than Gundam. But at the same time, Amuro is doing a poor job piloting it. He isn't used to the timing and is making mistakes thinking he's still in the Gundam. Mistakes like waiting too long to dodge. Or diving into the enemy with a beam saber when the GM is slower. Amuro's timing is completely off when using the GM. So he's at fault too.
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>>23742292
Neo Zeon had a real problem with their best pilots being stuck in total junk suits in ZZ. These guys stuck in Zaku IIs with pinpoint aim. Desert Rommel's guys all in OYW suits. Mashymre, with cyber enhancements, using a Zaku III at the end of the war which is probably worse than the Gallus-J he started with, never mind the Doven Wolf team and Quin Mantha he is fighting against. Haman herself in her old Qubeley, she probably could have won the whole war if she had the Quin Mantha instead of Glemy.
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>>23747728
that's because in japan the HG GM only costs about 1000 yen each, why would an EG GM cost 1500 yen and hope to be a success?
https://otachu-akiba.com/4go/buying_price/gunpla/#HG
https://www.sootang.jp/collections/gunpla?filter.p.m.custom_fields.ori ginal_title=%E6%A9%9F%E5%8B%95%E6%8 8%A6%E5%A3%AB%E3%82%AC%E3%83%B3%E3% 83%80%E3%83%A0
>Ctrl+F "ジム"
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>>23710623
>mass production suit
hey
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>>23747741
Yes, it's 1 hour 12 minutes in.
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>>23748636
It's just going full circle with the green tinted fed suits in ZZ.
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>>23743733
Also in the original series, Amuro is forced to use the Guncannon when Sayla commandeers the Gundam, and in the next episode, Amuro uses the Guntank because he thinks its better suited for a battle. No one on staff outright said it, but a lot of people suspected these contrived scenarios where the main character had to pilot the two supporting mecha was because the toy sponsor Clover needed to sell Gundam/Guncannon/Guntank combination sets.
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>>23752764
hey kid, you like flags?
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Funny that the GM III was sort of an afterthought, because one of the original plans was a hizack successor of sorts called the Highpass.
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>>23762993
I’m not sure honestly, this thing went far enough in production that a prototype gunpla model was manufactured too
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>>23762993
From what I understand during that time frame, Banrise Executives started interfering too much in the anime production.
By the time of ZZ Gundam, Banrise Executives were even pre-approving shows going into production without consult the Director, writers, or staff. They would spend money buying the time slots on TV first, and only hire the staff to make the anime. afterwards. Tomino only found out about ZZ Gundam *AFTER* it was already approved. He said he was surprised. In order to make the deadline, Tomino and the staff had to go into production immediately after Zeta ended. No rest. No time to relax. Barely any time to plan. But Banrise demanded another Gundam anime be made immediately.
Banrise never consulted Tomino Rumor is that Banrise was also trying to make ZZ Gundam more "powerful" in order to outdo Zeta Gundam and sell more toys and gunpla. They thought more guns, more transformations, and more gimmicks would make kids like it more.
Tomino gave several interviews during this time where he said he was depressed and upset at Banrise. They were constantly pushing for more Gundam. Banrise was never satisfied. Tomino wanted the studio to make other mecha anime and not rely on Gundam so much.
I also recall Gundam Sentinel designers were pushed by Executives to add an I-field to suit. But they pushed back against the idea and said it would make the S-Gundam to powerful and boring. So they only put a small I-field around the cockpit as a compromise.
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>>23764251
cool lies bro
https://www.gundamunofficial.com/production/gundamzz.html
>Even in the planning stages of Mobile Suit Z Gundam, it's said that director Yoshiyuki Tomino had envisioned the long-awaited followup to Mobile Suit Gundam running for two years. And in the November 1986 issue of Newtype magazine, Tomino claims he began planning for the second year of Z Gundam in the summer of 1985: "During Z Gundam, I also said that I started planning a sequel back in July, but nobody remembers that."
>Officially speaking, however, the [ZZ] project was launched in October 1985. At this point the main sponsor, toy manufacturer Bandai, approached the Nippon Sunrise animation studio about a continuation of Z Gundam.
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>>23764453
>It's an old story.
I dunno, unless you point me to where I can find that particular interview, >>23764251 is hard to believe especially when it contradicts so much of how anime production actually works, and even equates Sunrise and Bandai as one vague monolithic entity even though they wouldn't merge until a decade later around the time of V Gundam.
And there's just way too much shit out there that is just patently untrue, but just because people keep repeating it ad nauseum, it becomes accepted as fact. Like I still hear shit about how F91 suits in-universe are smaller than CCA suits because Bandai wanted to save money on plastic costs, when in fact F91 kits and CCA kits are literally the same size and the change was all about making shot compositions easier for the anime.
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>>23765363
>Like I still hear shit about how F91 suits in-universe are smaller than CCA suits because Bandai wanted to save money on plastic costs, when in fact F91 kits and CCA kits are literally the same size and the change was all about making shot compositions easier for the anime.
It was a combination of things. Tomino wanted to reboot the universe and give the new UC 120 era a complerely different feel. So he pushed for smaller and faster mobile suits.
Bandai also seemed interested in the idea since it would save on plastic costs with smaller gunpla. But we're hesitant on shrinking the mobile suits too much. Also the gunpla faced unforeseen problems because Bandai's gunpla machinery couldn't handle the smaller mobile suits. This lead to issues with fragility and plastic cracking on early releases. It took several years of retooling to get the process right and upgrade the machinery. But by that all the money spent upgrading the gunpla machinery probably negated any profit Bandai made with F91 gunpla sales. Plus the movie didn't do that well. Then Tomino abandoned F91.
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>>23765396
Yeah see, here's what I'm talking about. Everything you've said about saving plastic costs and unforeseen problems with the machinery and all that, I've read nothing about it from anywhere, not an excerpt from a mook, an article in a magazine, nothing. The only thing I've found in English even mentioning the rationalization for F91's smaller suit sizes is from Mark Simmons:
https://www.gundamunofficial.com/production/gundamf91.html
>When mobile suits and humans were sharing the same screen, if you were trying to show the humans' gestures and facial expressions, then the mobile suit's face wouldn't fit within the screen. On the other hand, if the entire mobile suit including its face were onscreen, then the humans would end up being too small. Director Tomino came up with the idea of miniaturizing the mobile suits as a solution to this problem. In fact, on Gundam F91, the director had combined humans and miniaturized mobile suits in the image boards he initially drew.
What you've said also doesn't seem to match up with reality. I mean, for one thing, there were no 1/144 F91 plastic kits, they were mostly 1/100, which matched up with the CCA kits which were mostly 1/144. How can you say Bandai saved money on plastic when the finished products are exactly the same size? And besides, it's not like Bandai was unfamiliar with making smaller Gunpla, they've been making SD Gundam BB Senshi kits for years at that point. Like yeah, what you've said sounds plausible on the surface, but it falls apart when you think about it and unless you can point to an actual source, I just have to assume you misremembered it from somewhere and it actually isn't true.
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>>23765512
many such cases
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>>23765696
Wait, it gets even better. The intermediate design begins to resemble a GM more
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>>23765709
It’s here at this point it becomes a successor to the GM II, proposed names were the GM plus to Rick GM. Does that GM design look familiar to you?
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>>23765714
Turns out the early design would ultimately become the Nouvelle GM III. Btw this comes from a website called Gundam Unofficial, it’s got some pretty cool things on there
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>>23710627
>simple design
>cheap to make
>reliable
>used for decades up until F91Meanwhile the Geara Doga gets fucking exploded by head vulcan fire.
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>>23765979
>used for decades up until F91
It was only used for decades because the Federation didn't want to spend anymore money and no enemies were around to fight the Federation. The Jegan should have been retired long before F91.
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>>23740728
>called Gaymiki
>just shoots in every direction possible, more than anything, ever
Can't make this up
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>>23740214
This suit is pretty terrifying on paper. The problem is that ZZ Gundam's animation can't do the this suit justice. With their limited animation budget, all we got was the Geymalk just randomly shooting beams into the background. None of the main characters ever got hit. So the Geymalk just looks like a expensive lightshow without achieving anything significant. They needed to show the Geymalk destroying hordes of suits with its blasts.