>>23741063
(cont.)
So I suppose my question is this:
>Do you think Kenanji refused to give guns to the students, because they didn't have any training with them at school?
I know Asticassia isn't a military school, and I know the only combat training they seem to get is for MS (which is extremely important for test pilots and such, and the names for these modules directly say they're only being carried out with MS). However, some students like Guel seem to want to pursue military careers after they graduate, so I have been wondering if the school had a voluntary course of some kind to give voluntary students some kind of basic military training in case they wish to pursue a military life. There is pretty much no evidence or implication for it existing, but it's hard to find evidence to completely dismiss it. I suppose, in the case Kenanji refused to give guns mainly due to a lack of training, it would be direct evidence against this. Then again, he didn't even ask anything from El5n, which does also raise some questions. The Japanese fan wiki states that it's due to lack of training, but I can't be too sure about it.
Maybe I'm just an autistic fellow, who really overthinks this (not a question but the truth), but I'm interested to see what you think. And for the record, this isn't meant to be a "G-Witch Bad" dunking post.

>the pink hair retard forced the space glowie to take them to the superweapon
>He folds under zero pressure
>Most of the characters do absolutely nothing
>The bullshit tomato gene deactivation code gets undone by Prospera just turning the space station back on again
>Everything gets revolved with more bootleg psychoframe crap anyways that has nothing to do with the rest of the plot
Its impressive just how poorly done the end of the show is.
Also is it just me or does it come off like those Haro turrets were supposed to originally be armed goons?

>>23741063
>But the fact remains Kenanji didn't argue with El5n about whether he knew how to use a gun or not for some reason, which is weird. He did only reveal his training to others when things got dangerous, and you could argue there was no longer any time to argue about it, but it still feels weird.
He pulled out the gun in an active firefight, and when asked about it by Chuchu, his answer pretty clearly was "no time for arguing". Kenanji is a professional soldier and knows what to prioritize. He still ordered Belmeria to go with Miorine, El5n just followed after them. The situation was still dangerous and El5n's words pretty clearly left no room for arguing. And as you said, by that point everyone knew he wasn't a real student, but he kept quiet since that's his character. If you look at how Chuchu behaves in QZ, she pretty clearly has no experience or training when it comes to fighting on foot, unlike Kenanji, Belmeria and El5n.

>>23741065
Lack of training and probably not wanting to cause unease with the students.
You don't really want them to panic and accidentally shoot a friend of course, but most importantly them having a gun might just make them subconsciously anxious and cause them to make a fatal mistake during the mission.

>>23741228
>the end of the show
Honestly the last 24 episodes were pretty shit.

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>>23741063
>>23741065
It's you again, it's fucking you.

>>23742767
Yes, it's me. This topic has admittedly been bothering me a lot, and I really can't seem to get a peace of mind unless I find a definitive answer.

Doodoo ass anime that the writers never expected to be viewed by an audience who had a decent memory, or binged it, making the tonal shifts and backpedalling more obviously schizophrenic.

>>23744647
Given that you've been on this across multiple boards for four months I really don't have great confidence that any answer will satisfy you.

As many people have said every time you have brought any of this stuff up, there's really nothing to suggest that there's any specific military training going on at the academy.

>There is pretty much no evidence or implication for it existing, but it's hard to find evidence to completely dismiss it.
Do you know how evidence works? Does it sound at all plausible that any school would have a sheet somewhere that says 'we don't do military training because we're not a military school'? How the fuck would you reasonably expect to find 'evidence to dismiss it'? If there is no evidence to support it, then that's basically where it ends.
Amuro could've been out of frame the entire time. You can't disprove that. But I also have no evidence for it. Do you believe it's worth discussing my claim that Amuro Ray has secretly been out of frame the entire show?

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>>23744786
Amuro could've been out of frame the entire time.

>>23744786
You know, you are absolutely right about this. I actually ended up doing the math myself yesterday, and you're absolutely right about this. There is simply no evidence to even support the idea that the school even taught basic military skills, but there is pretty clear evidence to the contrary. The only possibility for it would have been a purely theoretical possibility, if you interpret some in very certain ways that they probably don't even mean or were not supposed to mean. But that is the thing, as you said, it's just as likely for Amuro to be in Ad Stella, because it's a theoretical possibility that could certainly be gained from interpreting some sentence in a very certain way. If there is no proof for it, especially in fiction, it probably didn't happen. And I suppose you could argue, that in a show like Gundam, if the kids, who just piloted MS into battle, are denied of handguns on a dangerous mission, the reason more than likely is indeed that the students are not future soldiers and that they don't have any training with guns. The fact that there is no evidence either in the show or in any other source material is already evidence on itself that the school did not give any gun training to the students.

As I wrote months earlier, this turned into a minor obsession for me, which is why it has been so difficult to just accept that the school did not give military training. But as a small digressed update, I made up with that friend I fell out with over this.

>>23741063
>>23741065
The answer is pretty fucking clear if you didn't overthink it. Not everything needs a character reacting to stuff, and not every piece of dialogue (or lack there of) is implying something else. Just think for a moment:
>Did Kenanji let the students pilot MS?
Yes, it probably means they have training for it.
>Is there any proof "normal students" can pilot MS?
Yes, there is evidence for it.
>Did Kenanji let them use handguns?
No, it probably means they don't have any training for it.
>Is there any proof "normal students" can use handguns?
No, there's no evidence for it.
>Conclusion?
No, the students did not know how to use handguns, which is probably why he didn't give them any.

>Why didn't he say anything to El5n?
Again, just think for a moment. There was no need for it, because El5n was a fucking corporate spy who had tasers and shit. Pretty much everyone in the audience could already see he was able to use it the moment he pulled it out. And as >>23741238 already said, it was an active firefight in a show trying to give us 1000 things in one episode. There's probably more important things to show in that scene than have characters going basedface over a gun.
>inb4 why didn't they offer him a gun if they knew he could use it?
More than likely the other characters didn't know he could use one, because he had never shown his skills. The entire point of El5n's character was that he never revealed important things about himself to others, unless it was necessary. The fact he had a stolen gun already tells us he can more than likely use it.

What was Quiet Zero meant to be from Prospera's side? Was it literally just third impact but with Ericht as a goddess?

>>23748166
Prospera was 3 different characters at the end, not in the sense that she was having well written internal conflict. I am the sense that she changes motivation, sense of ethics, and even her own state of disability with every single line of dialogue.

>>23748166
A way for Eri to have a body that she has full control over and freedom to go anywhere she wants in society. The consequence of that would be that ALL of the technology would be shutdown then placed under the control of Eri, anything like a hospital's medical equipment would get turned off and unless Eri knew about it it would remain off.

>>23748240
But Eri already was in a giant robot, so why not downscale that? Also why dif she need to start a full racewar on earth? And why did she make even more Eris and Suletta?

>>23748254
>But Eri already was in a giant robot, so why not downscale that?
That was why the field needed to be that big, to give her daughter the freedom to go where ever she wanted, something that was never allowed to her since she was 4.
>Also why dif she need to start a full racewar on earth?
She really didn't. All she actually did was abuse the tensions to have a shot fired at her so she could leave the area to achieve her real goal on earth which was to destroy the Ochs Earth gundam storage. The fighting afterwards was started by both sides paranoia.

>>23748259
>>23748254
Technically, you could say the racewar was started by Shaddiq. Part of his plan was to clearly abuse the growing tensions between Earth and space by first facilitating terrorist attacks, and then supporting a heavy counter-terrorist operation to facilitate a casus belli for SAL and to create a reason for disbanding Benerit and selling the assets to Earthnoid corporations. It backfired on him, when they actually began shooting each other.

>>23741063
Wasn't there an infobook about Grassley that basically said they gave their own students military training? That's not only an explanation for why two of Shaddiq's groupies could use guns, but also proof that they'd need to get military training from outside of school.

>>23748090
>But as a small digressed update, I made up with that friend I fell out with over this
well that's the most important part

better character development story than in most of modern media

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>>23755001
I finally remembered where this infobox was, it was at the manual for HG Heindree. Apologies for potato quality, but I wanted to use MTL to see what the Japanese text literally said. The official English translation (below) is a bit awkward, but funnily enough the literal MTL translation opened up the meaning better.

>>23744647
Do you accept this as definite proof?
Grassley seems to have given some of its students military training due to its militaristic corporate culture. Maisie and Ireesha were both Grassley students, and also two of the three "students" to actually use guns in the show. Of course, they were also involved in the conspiracy you mentioned, so they were abnormal students to begin with, and might have gotten training for guns from elsewhere. Sure, it could just mean that Grassley gave its students military-like MS training to make them stand out in duels, which is possible, since the students needed experience to enroll into the school. Still, I think this is pretty definitive proof that Maisie and Ireesha definitely did not get their gun training from the school itself. They got the training most likely from their own sponsor, as the text here proves. I think this is also pretty definitive proof that the school did not give the students any military training, because otherwise there really would be no need for Grassley to give that to its students. And for the record, Grassley is the only dorm mentioned to even give military training, which is explainable by the fact they're the most militaristic of the Benerit corporations.

>>23741065
The answer here is pretty clearly a 'no'. We basically now have direct proof that students wishing to pursue military careers had to get basic military training from sources outside the school.

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>>23755529
Just to be sure, I used DeepL to translate this:
>軍人育成にも長けたグラスレー社の社風から、他寮に比べエース級の優秀な人材が多い。
>The company culture at Glassley, which excels at training military personnel, has produced a higher proportion of ace-level talent compared to other dormitories.
In other words, it seems to be something that's exclusive to Grassley.

It's amazing how talk loaded this series was, I miss when Gundam was an action franchise.

>>23741063
They were civilians, had no military training.
Pilots were trained pilots and were piloting properties of their corporations, technically not handling military equipment.

>>23761399

This right here is why we can't have mecha anime at 24 episodes. Not enough to balance talking and action.

>>23761526
AGE had fight in every episode but one.

>>23761399
Gundam is just for ladies now

>>23741063
Pretty much the only thing you can interpret from Kenanji not saying anything is that they're under fire, that he focuses on the mission, and that El5n's words were questioning his authority. Even if he didn't hand out weapons for anything but moral reasons, there are plenty of reasons to believe why he didn't say anything.
>there's no narrative point, since the audience already knew El5n could shoot a gun the moment he revealed he had one
>he assumed El5n could use a gun the moment he took it out and focused on the mission
>he thought debating it would have been pointless and useless due to the situation and the fact El5n would not have listened anyway
>assuming he didn't know his background, El5n could have been guided by Belmeria
>assuming he knew his background, he assumed it came with the job
The only way you could argue if Kenanji knew about El5n's gun skills was:
>he thought El5n was a normal student
>he only refused guns from a high moral point
>he didn't say anything because he knew his skills