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>>23760040
Worthless comment?

>>23759736
It's not horrible. The structure is novel and I like that it depicted an entire multi-generation conflict from start to finish, but there are several parts of it that are pretty bad, notably the entire ending which is just a giant heap of trash, and the arc in the Fardain colony that drags on forever and really doesn't matter, then later on during the Asemu arc they rush through developing the relationship between him and Zeheart, which feels like a missed opportunity. But yeah I guess the stand out negative is the ending, where almost everything about the last few episodes seems like a total asspull, as if they had no idea at all how the series was supposed to end and made some shit up on the spot.

I like the art style though, because I like cute things, also the mobile suit designs are fun.

>>23760073
>also the mobile suit designs are fun.

I agree with this. The anime might have had a poor ending but the little plastic robots it made were pretty cool and had some decent engineering.

Too bad they didn't do anything with the Legilis's core block function. Or the expansion slots on the Shaldoll custom. Or a kit for the Adele MK II, the Desperado, the Not-Big-Zam, or kits on the other various Age wears from the video games, and it took them this long for the HG O-custom. Or the release of the MG AGE-3 and MG AGE-FX. It must have really soured the market if it caused them to cut the product line short.

It's definitely been subject to some reevaluation as years and shows have gone by. I think it's pretty inarguable though that the Kio arc is very weak, and I still don't really understand some of the writing/story decisions. I don't think it deserves to be the second-lowest rated Gundam series on anikore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imR9WtsLsQ0

I really want an SRW made up entirely of series that cover multiple time periods.

Gundam UC/AGE/Wing-Frozen Teardrop
Nadesico-Prince of Darkness
Gaogaigar-Versus Betterman
Patlabor-Next Gen
Macross
Eureka 7-Ao
Gurren Lagann

>>23760198
Where Mars Daybreak

>>23759736
Flit and Asemu were good, but Kio arc was utter dogshit. Kio is simply a bad character with retarded extreme pacifism and godlike piloting skill to justify his retardation.

>>23759736
Flit and Asemu were good, but Kio arc was a well earned conclusion to those themes. Kio offered a totally unique perspective to the conflict that naturally built on the previous arcs and progression. I didn’t even mind his drive to single-handedly try to save anyone he could as it was a refreshing difference from Kira’s methods and mindset and he was clearly struggling to keep it up the whole time, unlike Kira’s much easier gameplan of just light disarmament. It also made sense to me that HE was the final straw that finally started to break Flit down. Kio was essentially the first kid Flit actually actively tried to raise and having him openly reject him on his return from second moon was the silver bullet Flit needed to get shot with. You can see how it wounded him.
Sadly despite how good Gen 3 was there was a lot of Gen 4 that just failed to come together. Despite having maybe the best fight direction and animation up to that point, the Lunar base and Girard Spriggan nonsense was sleep inducing. Also while I kinda get what they were going for with Zera Guns (a “perfect” ideal of Ezelcant’s view of what humans should be, as a blank empty vessel literally encapsulating his legacy) dude came way too late without proper setup and only a single scant scene seeing him prior. Mde the debut of Vagan Gear pretty flaccid when it should have been hard.

All in all an actually GOOD show that didn’t quite stick its landing but a fun ride all the same.

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peak grunt design
loved the clean designs and nice color choices for each unit

>>23760528
Birb

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>>23760528

Sloppa

AGE isn't good but it's the first Gundam anime I watched while it was airing so I have a soft spot for it.

I think it is good.

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>>23763784

For me, AGE had an interesting concept and I was quite enjoying it until Kio went to the Vagans colony and they tried to make them sympathetic in spite of the very evil shit everyone saw them doing in the first two arcs. And then learning they could move their colony anytime and they could have avoided the cancer they got from being around Mars for some reason. I'm all for grey morality but the Vagan were objectively evil so Kio going to bat for them was never going to make anyone happy. And the ending was mediocre as some people who are fans even pointed out. It was an okay series overall but not higher than a 4/10 if you made me assign a number to it. It's interesting how speedrunning early UC wasn't what brought it down.

>>23763807
The thing nobody gets about the colony is that they have nowhere to go. The Mars terraforming project failed and instead of sending people to help, the Federation went "Ew! We don't want any of that! Please don't come home ever again!" so Vagan were absolutely screwed over since the beginning. The EXA-DB fragment they found didn't really help them outside of give them forbidden military tech to develop, and that's about it.

>Just steamroll earth!
The problem with this is that earth has more available resources and people and would likely develop gundams and the AGE system even faster if it was a full scale invasion from the get-go. What's more Mars cancer! Most of their capable pilots are already on a bit of a time crunch and don't have long to live.

>Just go to Jupiter or Venus or something idk
And risk dying faster from an even worse cancer when trying to terraform one of those planets?

You can say the Vagans are inexcusable and stupid because most of their military was indoctrinated by a grieving old man turned eugenics cult leader, but you cannot deny they had actual reasons behind a lot of their methods. They didn't -have- a lot of soldiers at the time of Gen1 so they had to be covert in their colony extermination operations. Everybody who brings this up I feel are the biggest telltale signs that nobody actually watched AGE and just wanted excuses to shitpost and say "SEED IZ BETAR EVEN THO I HAET SEED LOLOLOLOLOL!1111"

Haven't seen it since it aired. The 3rd part annoyed me the most because I liked the Age3 suit the most but it spent 3/4s of the time in a hanger while they plot dumped the villain factions history and ideology and its upgrades only got used once, the space one got introduced and beat in the same episode. The concept of a 100 year war that starts and ends with Asemu's life was an interesting concept but because they had the big battle and then a time skip for like 20 years for the official treaty signing was weird. Seemed like they came up with the ending at the last minute because the concept of 500 years ago everyone threw away all their guns and plans for weapons into space came out of nowhere and was made just to give them a final big bad and avoid killing the enemy that they spent 5 episodes making sympathetic. The ending just burned me from the franchise till GQ, which I only watched because a friend sold me on the alt history angle and mech designs, and I've been slowly watching the shows in between.

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>>23763838
See I actually fucking agree with that because the Orbital Wear looked so good and I hate that it got wasted for the sake of moving the plot forward. Maybe if they gave it a better weapon than homing shots it would last a few more episodes. Like give that gun multiple settings including a full beam cannon setting and beam lance mode ala Zeta. ffs

Good until Kio gets kidnapped. Then it just falls apart.

>>23763841
Nothing is wrong with it's weapons, it simply got fucked by plot.

>>23763832
And yet they didn't even try. They sat in the equivalent of a toxic waste dump and whined about it, defining themselves as victims and reveling in it, while the door was open and they just didn't go through it. Maybe Venus and Jupiter would've been worse and maybe open space would've been worse, but the show never brings it up and calling them "Mars rays" suggests it's Mars-specific, so they just seem like masochists at best. Ultimately it's the same fault AGE has in a bunch of places: no one thought it was worth thinking through the implications, just like how the director(?) dismissed the Vagans showing up randomly as "well, that's how video game random encounters work and nobody asks questions about that".
>Most of their capable pilots are already on a bit of a time crunch and don't have long to live.
One would think that would push them towards more drastic action rather than taking their time with scouting and harassment.
>They didn't -have- a lot of soldiers at the time of Gen1 so they had to be covert in their colony extermination operations.
And that just does the same as your earlier objection where it pushes Earth to develop militarily. If they hadn't done anything and waited to build up overwhelming force, they'd be facing Genoace Is with literal pointy sticks instead of DODS armed Adeles and the like and could've done that steamroll. If they can't do that, they have zero chance of winning in the first place (and I know that's Ezelcant's last-minute "guys we were totally supposed to lose" thing, but that's dumb too).

>>23763861
Did they even really need to invade? Couple million could sneak into the earth sphere per year.

>>23763864
Yeah, with their cloaking tech and how corruptible officials seemed to be, this seems like a much better way to solve their problems.

>>23763861
>they didn't even try
They couldn't you shitposting goon! Most of them were civillians with technical expertise at best! They didn't become OP ace pilots overnight! Not to mention everybody that was born after the fact was too busy being indoctrinated in Ezelcant's fucking cult to ask those kinds of questions in the first place.

>One would think that would push them towards more drastic action rather than taking their time with scouting and harassment.
Again. You're missing the part where they're all thinking like cultists. It's also part of the reason Flit concludes that "They don't even think like humans!" It drives home that they've pretty much -become- too alien with their mentality. You can keep saying "It's dumb" all you want, but they give you an explanation!

>If they hadn't done anything and waited to build up overwhelming force, they'd be facing Genoace Is with literal pointy sticks instead of DODS armed Adeles
They would still need to send scouts you idiot. Imagine just bum rushing into a fucking invasion and then realizing Earth strengthened their military because of other stuff. That's part of the reason scouting was necessary in the first place. Do you even know HOW to military or do you just get your fucking tactics from playing Advance Wars 2 with infinite money cheats on?

>>23763878
To follow this up, the EF was not helpless like all the memes claim. Genoace were glorified meter maids only meant for peacekeeping but their forces had weapons that could destroy Vagan MS. Their basic battleship cannons alone could one shot Gafran. There was a MASSIVE manpower gap between the Ambat scout forces and th EF proper which is why they had to sneak around and do 3 colony raids in 15 years, or risk kicking the nest and getting steamrolled. They also developed non-DODS or AGE system weapons AFTER Ambat kicked off very rapidly, such as Shadoll Scout’s.

>>23763864
They're indoctrinated with a cult mentality around Eden. Literally everything they do is ultimately decided by Ezelcant, who duped them all into following him without question so they can't think about alternatives to handling this.

>>23763868
>how corruptible officials seemed to be
This is the other thing that you can handwave as Ezelcant's cult brainwashing mixed with Vagans strongarming government officials into their pocket to keep the federation from doing anything. Which yeah you could argue contradicts my argument of they can't just steamroll, but it also helps in that A: Government doesn't care about civilians and are willing to sacrifice a couple thousand or so to Ezelcant's eugenics experiments if it means it doesn't effect them directly and B: It's entirely possible some of them got indoctrinated and are actually acting on that cult mentality as well.

Literally MOST of the plotholes and inconsistencies regarding Vagan can be explained by blaming Ezelcant. Call it bad writing if you want. Call his plans dumb (They are). But you at least HAVE an in-universe explanation.

>>23763885
>their forces had weapons that could destroy Vagan MS
Okay so then scouting and lurking in Ambat was actually pretty smart then. Especially since -again- they couldn't just fucking wait around another 100 or so years to kickoff their Eden invasion because A: Ezelcant would have been dead by then and B: Most of their descendants probably would have forgotten about the whole thing by then.

>>23763887
I agree that he’s almost entirely the root of all problems and the Vagan people are for the most part blameless victims themselves. Don’t forget he was also staging accidents on Vagan colonies too

>>23763878
>They couldn't
That was about moving the colony. That's why the next sentences are about moving. Maybe spend more time reading what you're replying to and less time crafting insults.
>You can keep saying "It's dumb" all you want, but they give you an explanation!
The explanation being that everyone is too stupid to tie their own shoes is unsatisfying and remains a strike against the show, especially when it's trying to paint them as sympathetic.

>>23763906
But they were sympathetic. If anything, World of Vagan showed us and proved that the Vagan people were victims themselves. That’s…that’s the whole reason kio tries to take the middle road after spending months there.

>>23763922
>vagans
>people
We should sink mars into the sun.

>>23763906
>That was about moving the colony.
Yeah. They didn't try because they COULDN'T! There was nowhere for them to go! Saying "Just take the risk and go to Venus or Jupiter bro" is also stupid because I'm pretty sure those people wanted to LIVE!

>The explanation being that everyone is too stupid to tie their own shoes is unsatisfying
You are not immune to propaganda. Shut the fuck up you disingenuous fuck.

>>23763980
>Yeah. They didn't try because they COULDN'T!

The thing is, they could - at least past a certain point it was a deliberate decision by Ezelcant and his inner circle to perpetuate Vagan suffering, because it served the purposes of his whole eugenics plan. His thing for survival of the fittest and the weeding out of the part of humanity inclined towards violence unambiguously included his own people - he didn't give a shit about them dying!

Second Moon relocates to Earth in the final arc, meaning at least very least they could have done that and moved away from the Mars Rays much sooner. The Vagans held such a technological advantage initially that they could have moved to the Earth Sphere and dared the Federation to do shit about it.

>>23763987
And the federation would’ve. They would’ve slaughtered them wholesale. The entire military might of the federation eclipsed Vagan before their buildup in Gen 2

>>23763994
Maybe I'm forgetting, but do you mean a Vagan buildup in Gen 2?
I thought it was Gen 2 where the capability gap closed thanks to the Federation doing a mass buildup and fielding what amounts to mass production AGE-1s
I remember Gen 1 Vagan tech vastly outperforming Federation tech, since the Feds were still working under that treaty that forbid them from militarizing past a certain point both in size and tech.

Grodek's entire campaign to take out the Vagan fortress succeeded because he put together a task force armed to the teeth with weaponry the AGE System cooked up, which far out performed what the Feds had at the time.

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>>23764004
You are mistaken. While the Genoace was beholden to such treaty restrictions and really a big nothing when not facing armed protestors, the federation had plenty of weapons that could effectively fight the UE if push came to shove, which is why the forces of Ambat stayed cloaked and only conducted rare raids over years and years. Grodek’s plan to take gangsters and street racers in to Ambat was only necessary in the first place because he could not secure the support of the regular Fed forces who still treated the UE as isolated incidents and unfounded rumors. We see it as early as ep 1 when rocket trucks were taking off chunks of armor from Gafrans to even as late as ep 11 when Grodek and Chocolate Man pulled their feint to ambush those two UE battleships. A beam shot from a EF ship is more than enough to core out and one shot a Gafran as you see in Pic Related. Those UE ships didn’t suddenly retreat because they were late for dinner, but because the strike force chasing the Diva AND the Diva were suddenly bearing down on them at the same time and they were overwhelmed with their pincer action turned against them. The longer that fight took the more likely more EF forces would arrive as well.

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>>23764011
If you want more conventional EF weapons capable of damaging initial Vagan tech look no further than Madorna’s own basement beam cannon he saved the day with, or this handsome fuck, the Shaldoll Scout. This was developed with no AGE Builder related weaponry to rely on and used conventional ballistic weapons instead. That railgun is carried was particularly nasty because it was designed to produce incredibly minimal heat and emission so the scout was used as a UE hunter that could track down and ambush before using smoke and chaff to disengage.

>>23764011
I'm just mainly remembering that Fed mobile suit weaponry was almost entirely ineffective until the AGE System developed the DODS Rifle which could actually penetrate their standard armor
Even Woolf's Genoace that was beyond legal specs thanks to that Madorna group wasn't especially effective until it was rearmed with DODS based weapons

>>23759736
It's alright up until the final Arc.
Kio is one of the worst examples of the "protagonist that doesn't kill" and the finale of the show is so weak. They have a random clone come out of nowhere and it has no narrative or emotional weight.

A much better conclusion would've been to just have Kio duel Flit to stop him from geocoding the vegans. The setup was already there. The whole finale like 10 episodes are just really uncompelling. The series is basically just a weaker version of Gundam SEED written for middle schoolers.

I watched this series as it aired and it bored me so much by the end I don't even think I saw the last 2 episodes until months later.

It has great animation and music though.

>>23764016
That’s because Genoace were glorified police cars in a war of jets and tanks. The Euba and Zalam forces were also larpers whose MS were provided by Yark Dole (the same dude in charge of Ambat) which were probably made to be shit on purpose as a joke

>>23764017
>no narrative or emotional weight.

Allow me to ramble about Zera Gins. He may have pooped out his pod at the literal last minute, but zera is interesting beacuse he's the end product of ezelcant's ideology and you can also see him as his son (which is relevant to a show about generations)

Ezelcant out of desperation believes that humans are cooler than they're now and as a result he thinks that the genes of the current humanity are wrong and so he decides to study how to create a new humanity that is strong enough to live without conflict, this is interesting because it's an ideology that has the exact same problem that flit's has (to believe that how someone is born determines his entire character), age 3 and 4 have a strong message of learning about others and their experiences and fighting against one's own prejudices being the key to a better world, the idea of "someone being born being an ideal person" goes completely against this concept of learning and improving, that's where zera kicks in- the embodyment of someone being born an ideal person is nothing more than an empty shell of a being, he's essentially "nothing", zera has no character outside of following orders and does not knows anything about the world, which is a direct contrasts of kio whose by experiences became a strong person, that's what the final conflict of age represents

but then again this also kinda just means that you have kio against mr nothing and i understand how that's boring for most

What I don't get is people thinking the Vagan are only humanized at the 11th hour when Kio goes to their colony. That started right at the end of Flit arc with the reveal that they're human rather than alien and they stop suiciding, and the entire Asemu arc has a Vagan as co-lead where he even comes down on the side of good at it's conclusion, even though he flips back in the next arc

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>>23764024
It also has Daz who’s like the greatest uncle ever and is genuinely proud of Zehart’s school achievements and the fact he’s able to live a normal life that’s not governed by despair. He’s happy Zehart is joining a club and making friends. He actively upset when orders come in that THE DAY they strike will be during his graduation (which he attends to protect him)

>>23763980
Couldn't until they could, which is never implied to be difficult or new.
>You are not immune to propaganda.
Dude, you're the one buying up everything the show's selling with very little critical thought and yelling insults at anyone who disagrees.

>>23764026
Homie did anyone of the people living on second moon act like their miserable piss bucket lives were going to be changed up by an express ride to Earth until the moment Ezelcant announced it?

>>23764028
They were often talking about how much it sucks to be at Mars, so pretty much.

>>23764026
Idiot. That was my point. Ezelcant used propaganda to prey on people's mental state at the time and gave them false hope in the form of his EDEN doctrine. Are you saying if you were a vagan, told you couldn't come home and that you were diagnosed with terminal cancer that will kill you in a few years, that (You) wouldn't fucking fall for the hope that your leader tries to bring to you and your people to comfort you and give you something to live for in your last moments of life?

>>23764032
Not just civilians, the military are manipulated the same way, the guy is basically sending an element of his society he doesn't want to their deaths on the promise of vengeance against the great oppressor

>>23764022
I can see how in theory the idea is interesting, but the execution is so terrible in AGE. Gundam SEED already explored that better with Rey and Rau. They're both an example of how limiting the idea of desiring to create a "perfect human" is.

In Rey's case he's unable to self-actualize because he accepts his "destiny" to be a tool for the Destiny plan and succeed Rau.
In Rau's case he's in a nihilistic tantrum because humanity's endless desire for "perfection" has created a deeply imperfect world.
I liked these more than Zera because they fit very naturally into every aspect of their respective stories.

In Gundam 00 I think Ribbons is another interesting example.

>>23763832
They could easily just move it out of orbit and away from the Mars cancer rays, we see them moving the colony near the end of the show anyway. Their retardation is self-imposed.

>>23764042
Exactly. Anytime someone tries to act like they're smarter than a work of fiction like Gundam by saying shit like "Well *I* wouldn't fall for that!" they're the ones most likely to fall for it if they were in that situation.

>>23764050
That’s not how Mars Rays works but keep not paying attention king

>>23764057
That's exactly how it works retard, if they are under Mars' influence they won't get affected by it's rays. Pay attention to real life fuckwit.

Also this retarded argument that "ackshullay the vagan are good its only ezelcant that is ebil" doesn't excuse the horrific shit people did under his command. We have a kind of significant IRL example of that you know, called World War II. Even Gundam shows that not every Zeek mook is evil but they are unequivocally the antagonists because they wiped out half of humanity and dropped a colony on Earth.

>>23764050
>They could easily just move it out of orbit and away from the Mars cancer rays
Okay but they would still have cancer, and now have access to even less resources than what they were left to begin with (Practically fuckall). You bitch about how this has SEED middle school writing and then you try to apply middle schooler logic to a situation that's more complicated than that.

>>23764061
NTA but you’re not correct. “Mars Rays” phenomena was a result of a botched terraforming effort that made the newly formed magnasphere all fuckey wuckey. The harmful particles spread all the way up past low orbit and even into space. It’s not rays being shot out but internal genetic level damage lasting for generations. Kinda like heavy metal poisoning. Even if they all packed up and left, which they’d have nowhere to go in the first place, it’s not going to remove the damage done for generations, if they even last that long.

>>23764069
Would've been cool if the show ever conveyed that.

>>23764066
Nobody is really saying Vagans are faultless sweathearts, just that they were actively indoctrinated into enacting what amounts to a holy war which is why they do things like commit suicide rather than being taken alive or even expose their identities, and treat their enemies as subhuman.
There are explicit reasons for the way they act that aren't "Vagan's are just inherently evil fuckers"

>>23764073
I’m so glad the show had Kio see them eating babies in their streets to hammer that home

>>23764073
Okay but that's not an excuse and doesn't make them sympathetic at all.

>>23764050
They have the ability to move but Ezelcant and his people don't want to.

Keeping everyone there means means survival of the fittest, the weak perish, and the strong go off to war, where they die. Both things Ezelcant actively desires.

>>23764076
Do you think Setsuna F Seiei is irredeemable for doming his parents? It's basically the same thing.

>>23764080
He redeems himself though? The Vagans are evil until the last second of the show.

>>23764082
You can’t be this media dense, friend

You are defending a mediocre Gundam show, don't try to accuse anyone else of not being media literate champ.

Just want to say it’s really cool to see so many people have real discussions about this show. I’ve never seen that happen.

>>23764082
It's a pretty simple and obvious progression though?

In the first arc we know nothing of them, people think they're literally not human, they're fanatical to the point of suiciding rather than being seen or taken alive and prey on the defenseless like colonies and other civilians targets

Second arc we now know they're people, their directive to kill themselves is no longer in practice, we get to see the point of view of their military characters more, one of them is one of the lead characters of the season. It becomes clear they're not just some monstrous, murderous force like they appeared in the first arc. They clearly have their own motivations and disagreements on various levels about what they're doing and how they go about it.

Third arc we finally meet their civilians, and see they're not all just hopped up lunatics doing a holy war. We find out the truth of why they are the way they are. They were a legitimately wronged people, who were then manipulated by their ruling class into becoming what we saw of them until now.

This doesn't mean "Vagans did NOTHING wrong" it just gives context to why they are like that. They also don't have the capability of 'redeeming' themselves en mass because they are actively placed into a situation where they can't, their entire situation is weaponized against them.

>>23764072
>"Ooh! Don't make me think! I just want to be entertained!"

>>23764089
>"I have no more counterarguments, but please stop liking what I don't like. SEED is better anyway okay stop hating SEED."

>>23764149
Stop projecting champ. I am not wasting anymore time arguing about a mediocre show in a franchise I don't like, and I find it rather sad you are around to answer within 10 minutes any counter I may have. Get a job.
The only thing SEED has going for it to me is a likeable cast outside of Kira and Lacus, otherwise I think SEED is thoroughly inferior to AGE. Don't pretend to know what I think you worthless shitposting troll.

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>>23764167
>I'm just here to shitpost you shitposting troll
Okay cool. Nice of you to admit that you're just here to waste everyone's time.

I just remember not really giving a fuck about the characters the later on it got and that just kinda killed any possible enjoyment.
I think it's the only gundam series that i felt upset about watching in a bad way, not that i've seen every gundam mind you or finished everyone.

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>>23765018
It does become harder to give a damn especially with how many of the more interesting ones drop like flies and everyone else just exists to fill a replacement slot for a previous character. But damn if people didn't feel anything for Obright after his dying moment of proving the Genoace doesn't suck.

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>>23765047
wasn't that because it was usually forced to rely on the MS equivalent of a rascal scooter?

>>23765065
I mean sleds aren't anything new to Gundam, but considering Obright used that same Genoace for almost 49 years with overhauls in between generations, I would say it's still a bit of an accomplishment he managed to land any kills with it. Especially with the stick.

>>23765065
It's mostly that it's the equivalent of a dude staying with a GM when mass production Gundams rolled out

Imagine if everyone thinks your irredeemable soulless monsters when the reason they do this is because the Vagan populace are trapped in an insane death cult run by a eugenicist trying to create a new species and he’s successfully convinced all of them that they aren’t even human while he also commits acts of terror against his own people as part of his experiments. They’re all constantly being bombarded with space radiation that causes an incurable disease, the terraforming on Mars failed so they all live in poverty. Like 99% of the Vagan are absolutely miserable and have basically nothing to live for to the point they actively suppress their emotions just so the inevitability of the deaths of their loved ones doesn’t hurt them. The show makes it very clear that while there’s no excuse for the things they had done, the complete genocide of them is not an answer. Both powers on either side are resolute in their positions and refuse to back down (Flit wants total annihilation of every Vagan man, woman and child. Ezelcant wants to cause as much chaos as possible so only the strong survive) which is why Kio takes the path he does and refuses to kill, to show that change can be made without violence. Lol. Lmao

>>23765082
GM is a mass-production Gundam.
This is staying with Origin's First Type Guncannon.

>>23765695
But Genoace II are nothing like that.

>>23765731
coulda fooled me with all that shit-eating

>>23765682
Finally someone gets it that isn't larping as an edgelord

>>23765682
If vagans had souls they would have overthrown their leader if he is so evil. That they didn't shows explicit support for his actions and is proof that even the general populous is just as evil. And the only solution to evil is extermination. Flit was objectively correct.

>>23766384
This

>>23766384
They literally did not know
"The Earth Federation trapped us here, to die" is what they know, and it's true.

>>23766393
I don't buy that among the entirely vagan populous, from the top to the bottom the only person that knows about the shit Ezelcant is doing to his own people is him. It's one thing to do have it out for the earth, that part is understandable. It's another to sit back and watch as your own dudes are experimenting on and terrorizing you. There isn't even any real discontent or alternative internal factions from what we can see. From the poor fucks to the comparatively well off it's all long live lord Ezelcant-sama-dono-sama.

>>23760040
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>>23759736
There's literally not a single good thing about AGE outside some mobile suit designs. The directing was top notch? Nigga is just saying shit.

>>23766542
It's got better directed action than pretty much everything since, since it was directed by the Build Fighters guys but is battles instead of toy fights

I don't buy that among the entirely Titans personnel, from the top to the bottom the only person that knows about the shit Jamitov is doing to his own people is him. It's one thing to do have it out for the spacenoids, that part is understandable. It's another to sit back and watch as your own dudes are experimenting on and terrorizing you. There isn't even any real discontent or alternative internal factions from what we can see. From the poor fucks to the comparatively well off it's all long live lord Titans banzai!

It had the formula of a level 5 project which I could never take seriously

>>23766576
Level 5 is pure kino.

>>23766578
Yeah but not for a political war story, I grew up on Inazuma Eleven but couldn't ever get myself to finish AGE

>>23766542
The only memorable battle is between Asemu and Zeheart. Not saying much.

>>23766972
Your memory sucks

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>Jackedge Metal blade can cut and stab clean trough Baqto.

….what the fuck
https://youtu.be/sl1rHo57NWk?si=2LrZP7lb_0VbKDY6

>>23759736
Because Asemu is the worst part of AGE.

>>23767585
The worst part of AGE is Girard Spriggan. Three entire episodes are wasted on this traitor cunt and her tragic backstory that amounted to nothing in the end. All of that time could have been better spent developing established characters like Deen or Ezelcant's clone. To me Girard Spriggan was the real nail in AGE's coffin and I will never forgive that bitch.

>>23763807
This. Kill all vagans

>>23768356
The real shit part is that arc has the BEST animation and directing for action in the show, but she’s SO LAME

>win war
>remove corruption
>stop war and get a statue in memory of himself
Flint is one of the greatest gundam protags the franchise has ever had and he uses the same gundam for like 50 years. That's gotta be a record, sure there's Grey stork but his machine looks like a piece of shit and he's in crossbone which is awful so I give Flint the win.

>>23768400
Don't forget Flit was able to do all of that AND still be a family man. Jewdough is a deadbeat bum who left Roux to die as a popsicle.

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The runback is happening live

>>23768400
Frito was unironically an incredible character from start to finish, yes. When you can get a character advocating for genocide and the audience still roots for him, you’re doing something right.

Im am not going along with AGE apologia just like im not going along with SEED apologia. AGE has a fundamentally juvenile world view which seeps through many aspects of its story arcs, from how it portrays local wars and infighting within the earth sphere as simplistic family feud style grudges that can be solved by just getting along instead of motivated by economic and geopolitical reasons which are much harder to resolve, how easily the rot and corruption in the fed government is stamped out as though it was a trivial matter and not one of the greatest political struggles that any government faces, how Kio, just like Kira in SEED, solves his pacifism dilemma by waving around the greatest firepower so he can beat his opponent without killing, a solution a child would come up with, how Flit rallying all Vegans and Feds to suddenly unite is a massive asspull and how the series glorifies the main villian with his eugenics bullshit ideology as a misguided hero even though he is responsible for the death of millions on both sides, women and children included, anyone with a critical eye can see right through all the superficial flashing lights and jangling keys and realize that its not a good idea to impose the worldview and moral frame work of a Danball Senki or Inazuma Eleven story onto a Gundam style Setting with real war and death.
The only Gundams that actually were unfairly appraised by western fans are ZZ, F91, Victory and G-Reco.

>>23769378 (You)
>a solution a child would come up with
To be fair, he is a child, but the problem is that it works. Its also insane how no one in AGE bats an eye at 13 year old child soldiers, in victory every character feels surprised, disgusted or apologetic about it, by the time indoctrinated child soldier Kio rolls around no one except one of his teammates even gives a shit anymore, even the mechanics allow children into their squads, its treated like theres nothing questionable about it.

>>23769367
Flit unironically just should've been the main character the entire time, the other two were a mistake.
>>23769378
I remember one of the main complaints at AGE's reveal was how extremely childish it looked, and while it would mature on the surface, deep down it's still one of the more childish gundam's in terms of overall tone.
>>23769389
After watching victory earlier this year this now sticks out like a sore thumb, the Child soldier aspect is given a massive amount of attention and focus in victory which is a series that Tomino's Heart wasn't fully into, meanwhile the Vegans are using literal 7 year olds as pilots, the youngest yet in the franchise, but it's glossed over how fucked up it is, further bizarre with how after the entire portrayal of Vegans in the Flit arc, the rest of it tries so hard to insist that they're just misunderstood.
absolutely wild, these characters mostly blow so many chunks its surreal.

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/m/ will never forget