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>>23767201
I know Minato isn't the head producer this time but is it because of him that we're getting a second OP?

Who caused the time loop?

>Demon nightmare baby
Dreamrape victim

so #1 is still TBD with this reveal
going by his background info already in magazines dawn isnt going to be it at all

IT WAS ALL A DREAM LMAO

>>23767437
I'd guess it's some kind of set up to create/power up Baku. Either by the real CODE or whoever is opposing them in the real world. But this new world might be just another dream too. Unless they somehow make it clear in the next episode that it can't be another dream, I imagine we still aren't looking at the actual real world.

This is either about to become the most ambitious story they've ever done in Rider or the shark got jumped. There's no inbetween.

>The beginning of the series has him put into a nightmare from the truck
>The entire first arc was just him in a coma
DAMN YOU TAKAHASHI!

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What are your pros and cons on Zeztz's 24th episode?

I fucking hate 3 dude

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>>23767469

>>23767478
I feel like it was just a cheap excuse to reset to status quo without undoing all the major plot reveals we got so far.

>>23767481
This has both been the best episode Rider has done in years while the ending makes me feel like I just watched something trying to be Twin Peaks.

>>23767437
Nox and Lady kept talking about how CODE was messing with the world, and this episode Lady mentioned wanting to stop CODE so that life can continue "as it is". It might be that CODE did something to alter the world again, but now that Baku has his powers awakened, he's able to retain his memories through new worlds. That would also explain why he's waking up at the end of episode 1; right after he first transformed.

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>>23767481
Making it so that everything's a dream and death doesn't matter is a pretty excellent way for me to not really care about anything that happens in your story. There are no stakes, as any danger and pain the heroes go through can just be a dream and handed away like no big deal. That's definitely why the show's gotten away with stuff like gun executions and other things that may seem rather dark. Because they're not real, so you may as well be shooting a unicorn or riding a rainbow, it's just as real.
That being said, I do find the show enjoyable to watch in a similar way I liked Gozyuger: it's entertaining even if I know the story is dumb bullshit. Gozyuger had far more likable characters than this show has had, but structurally it's paced better, has fun fights, and it loves getting weird, which is something I enjoy seeing in Kamen Rider a lot. This show feels like Takahashi trying to emulate Inoue's bullshit mystery boxes and twists, adding bizarre nonsense that catches you off guard every episode. And although he doesn't come anywhere near close to his best, it's better than his worst. Also, outside of Nox, I don't really dislike any character, so I don't mind seeing their story, even if by now it's clear nothing truly bad can happen to them. I don't really expect to be satisfied with the twists and story by the end, but if it's fun to watch and not as annoying as his previous shows, I'm okay with it. But I don't really care about the mystery anymore, it may as well all be set on a computer that Dan Kuroto developed, that's as satisfying as any answer is gonna be.
That being said, repeating the "daughter copy" plot from Geats and saying the show is in a "new world" like how Geats did is a pretty lazy retool of his previous show.

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What are your ratings on Zeztz's first half now?

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>>23767503
I didn't really mind Q1 being episodic as much as other people, but it really showcased how basic the cast is. The heroes are just normal, good people, and if the detective weren't such a goofball and Zero spent most of the show in bike form, it'd probably be the dullest cast in all of Reiwa. They're not badly written, but they just follow along basic arcs in spite of the weird world they live in. They teased the mystery too much, and banked on that saving the show, but by failing to make memorable characters in the first half, you're not giving people much reason to care about the twists later on.
I will say I loved the action for most of the show, but these latest episodes have not been great in that department, and I wish we could go back to that stylish action sooner rather than later.

>>23767248
They realized VISIONS was too dull

>>23767196
i for one want to see where this is gonna lead to.

now theres absolute confirmation that NOX was right about CODE being run by assholes. not evil per se, but definitely people who shouldnt let be allowed to protect the planet as they claim to. and whatever thing they did to Baku to turn him into this time travelling dream master, is gonna bite them in the ass SO HARD.

Right now Baku remembers everything that happened so far, he still has the driver, the capsems, CATASTROM, knows where the HQ is and Zero seems to be none the wiser. if CODE really has some evil scheme, Baku has all the weapons and power to stop this madness before people die again to the nightmares or at least try to make understand the higher ups at CODE that their crap wont be tolerated anymore.

>>23767517
CODE may be assholes, but Nox and Lady destroying the world just for revenge is even worse, as they definitely had the power to dismantle the organization without having to hurt innocents. And the show dismissing their cruel actions just to say CODE is the true evil is very annoying.
That being said, I don't know how much they control, because 3 said to Baku that this was the real world, and I don't see why he would lie to him just so he can wake up again with his memories. I have to believe 3 genuinely wanted to kill him, and he seriously believed their world is real, because there is no actual reason why he'd lie to Baku if he knew he'd just respawn and everything would reset. So far, he's been a bluntly honest asshole who doesn't care about tricking or manipulating people, just getting his way. Zero saying his goodbyes as well is weird if he knew they'd go back to normal, so I think something is happening that CODE can't even control.

>>23767527
I don't think the show ignoring that Lady and Nox's actions were 100% right. Nem even says this. But I don't know why you guys are trying so hard to say CODE is not that bad when the evidence keeps piling up and we still don't know everything.

>>23767527
The preview showing another meeting with 3 and Zero already makes me think they're aware of what's going on.

I think the lines you're mentioned would be explained by those being actually dream versions of them, not actually the real ones inside Baku's dream.

>>23767527
oh, sure, NOX and LA SEÑORA arent innocent either, and Baku still knows that. but right now, despite that fact, the truth is that CODE does need to be care of.

it was bad enough to believe Zero died (i didnt bought the remote body thing), but in this sole episode, they made clear that he was downright evil and 3 was correct in saying Zero would never trust him with the organizations secret as he never planned to keep his word anyway.

whatever CODE is doing, if not evil, still is something that has to be stopped. and Baku definitely will still have to fight NOX.

>Being mad that Baku killed Nox
The police can’t be this dumb

>>23767527
>>23767536
The preview also mentions something called "CODE Somnia".

So, I'd be surprised if all this isn't CODE related.

>>23767541
his entire personality is simping for the fake persona he thought was his friend

>>23767541
another thing i am intrigued for.

since all that happened since the crash in Ep.1 was a dream, it could mean Fujimi might not have the same personality, maybe the real Fujimi, if he were to know what his BF did, could have a different opinion on him.

>>23767535
>>23767539
Because, for most of the show, CODE were the only ones trying to stop two psychopaths from mass genocide and world destruction. They were undoubtedly the lesser evil, even if they were also corrupt and mishandled their agents. One side is targeting innocents, and the other side is saving them. One side is trying to bring a meteor to destroy the world, the other is sacrificing agents to save the local population. Even if their methods are brutal, there's no debate whose side is better. It doesn't mean CODE is good, it's just that they made their enemies considerably more despicable. At least until this episode.
The problem is the show tried to have a "complicated" situation where two sides were evil, but one side was clearly worse than the other in every conceivable way. The whole mystery tease also didn't help Nox's case, as he said they were evil, but outside the secret kid class and letting agents be disposable, didn't really show how they're any worse than Nightmares. Before this episode, they were also rather lenient with Baku. He mistrusted them and chased his own mission, and they didn't really do anything about it until now.
It's only in this episode that CODE turns to full villainy, and it's fitting the same episode Lady died. I'm okay with that, kill one villain and replace them with another. But no matter how evil they are, none of that makes Nox or Lady sympathetic in the slightest. If they hate them for "protecting peace at all cost", then they are just as bad by sacrificing innocents for their goals.

>>23767478
> the most ambitious story
That's Decade, so yeah, they are gonna get jumped.

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>>23767541
Their relationship keeps getting worse by the episode
>forced Baku to apologize despite the fact he did NOTHING wrong
>get mad at him for murdering the guy who also murdered two agents and a bunch of other people
It sucks, because I really liked their bonding moment on Nightmares on the first episodes, but ever since then their relationship is total dogshit.

Then who the hell is Number 1?

>>23767553
i doubt this means Baku is forgiving NOX and LA SEÑORA, might be wishful thinking, but i do want to believe Takahashi will actually make clear that the heroes (or hero because Baku has been alone since day one), will not forgive them.

but now that we saw the extremes CODE is going, even ready to incarcerate and run experiments on Nemu herself, (not to mention whatever they did to Baku) makes it clear they have to be priority one.

>>23767554
Decade didn't try to have a story though

>>23767481
Really solid, one of the best episodes of the show which surprises since I usually hate the "it was all dream" trope

>>23767503
Will sound like a broken record but so far a 7/10, I'm quite enjoying the show and I feel that it has been doing a good use ofccliffhangers so far and Baku as a character. The rest of the cast (except Nox) is good but they feel useless and don't really interact enough as I want them to, it's like a mix of a Komura sentai and Zero-One's cast. The story has been gripping so far and I enjoyed most of the cotw but a few them were pretty bad. The direction is top-notch but the action while good feels like a step down from most of Reiwa's action.
The issues with the cast and Nox prevent the show from being truly great but it's still a fun show, I want to be excited for the second half since the last few episodes have been amazing and now the show will have Takahashi in his element but there has been so many Takahashi shows in a short span of years that I'm afraid the even with these improvements the show will feel derivative later on, I'm also unsure on whether the character dynamics will be able to improve considering previous Takahashi shows and that it's better to build a cast when the pacing is slow and the show basically wasted that timeframe.

>>23767567
They kept teasing Narutaki's and Tsukasa's past from very early in the show. It ended up not having a story due to how messy the production was, but the whole backlash at the time with the ending happened exactly because Decade had set itself up as having many mysteries to be answered, rather than just being a collection of episodic tales.

>>23767561
LA SEÑORA being Nem's mom already signals that she'll be portrayed sympathetically despite their crimes. Lets not forget this is the same writer who made abusive parents reconcile with their daughter last show, and pretend like their bad treatment was no big deal. Nem not wanting Baku to break her for no reason is already a bad sign of where that's going.
CODE is clearly an enemy now, though what "experiments" they wanted to do to Nem doesn't seem to be going since both her and Baku are free next episode.

>>23767553
I'm not saying their actions were 100% good, but they haven't really killed anyone besides CODE Agents. They've stuck to that. Their turn in this was increasingly built up and we still don't know exactly what they did to the world that Nox and Lady keep talking about.

People keep bringing up the meteor, but unless its a writing oversight, the consequences of that don't make sense for either characters. If the world was actually going to be destroyed why would Lady allow that if she wanted Nem to wake up. Why would Nox want that if he wants to break the world CODE apparently altered?

>>23767480
mega is down?

>>23767584
The meteor episode is just gonna be some bullshit the show bypasses like it's no big deal. Like how in Geats the Jyamato Prix was meant to boost those plant freaks at the cost of human life, and after they won, the implication was that those humans were dead for good and all the dead Jyamato came back to life. But right afterwards, the Jyamato get killed, and nobody says Buffa killed a bunch of innocents permanently, so they just ignore that episode.

>Nem was the lightning that struck Baku as a child

>>23767589
Works on my machine.

>>23767512
>it really showcased how basic the cast is.
The issue isn't that they're basic, it's that the show's more plot-focused than character drama so there isn't much time spent on fleshing them out, but the material is there. I personally don't find it an issue, but I understand it could be jarring following Gavv, where there was large swathes of time dedicated to slice of life moments expounding on characters' motivations.

>>23767545
>fake persona
I don't think it's fair to say that when we don't know enough about Odaka pre-burn to say if he was truly faking it or not.

>>23767584
there's also the wolf nightmare. the arc right after LA SEÑORA's intro.

her plan all along was to lure Zero out of his hiding spot so NOX could take the memory core and get the info about the HQ. and the wolf eating Nemu was essentially part of said plan. even NOX pointed out that was a dangerous move.

Takahashi HAS to be aware of how severe the implications of the meteor arc are regarding NOX and LA SEÑORA's character. and he HAS to be aware of his mistakes with Geats and the JGP as well as what Nadge did. he HAS to address it in some form at some point or nobody with half a brain will be able to buy them as sympathetic people.

I think it's true that CODE has everyone linked up to a virtual reality to do... *something* with dreams. Maybe the Nightmares are a byproduct of the virtual world, and they're the subconscious desires of people wanting to break free of the simulation.

Maybe something's fucked up with the world outside, so that's why the simulation is a thing. I think the Catastrom/Orderom Nightmare is able to change Baku's fate somehow, and it's similar to Nem's situation as a Nightmare rape baby.

What happened with Baku's parents again?

>>23767598
People still like Geats after that dogshit Q4 so I don’t think he’s gonna get any better.

>>23767584
So you agree that NOX letting a meteor exterminate humanity doesn't fit with what we know of his motivations, but disagree that there is not or could not be a good explanation for the seeming contradiction.

>>23767598
Its going to be that Nox knew the whole time

>>23767639
No, Baku, you’re supposed to stick the jibbitz on your crocs not your shorts.

>>23767639
the heck are those 'transparent' straps over nasuka's heels?
something just to prevent feet from slipping straight out of them?

>>23767196
>>23767481
This had the potential to be one of the best episodes of the show, but as soon as it started I was already having mixed feelings about it, and that final twist might just cement it as one of the worst depending on how things play out from here.

The Lady's backstory about her having a baby with a Nightmare one day already has me going "lol what?". I get that it's technically her child who she wanted to protect, but I still don't believe she has good intentions, she comes across as utterly insane. That reveal that she has never slept once was nicely shocking though and explains why Nox never met up with her when he was in his dream coma.

Fujimi has no right to get that pissy over Odaka's death after all the shit he did, and Baku really should've told Nasuka that it was Nox, not CODE, who fucking shot Kureha to death. The argument that broke out between Baku and Minami was nice, though the comedic headbutt ruined the vibe a bit.

Baku becoming hyperfocused on saving Nem and ignoring everything else felt contrived, I know he broke down last episode but I thought he would focus on eliminating all evil instead of simply autistically focusing on just one (personal) mission at a time, it almost felt like it was just an excuse to have CODE turn on him even though them wanting to capture Nem was more than enough.

Speaking of Nem, I'm glad she didn't simply go along with The Lady's antics just because she's her mom and even called her out, although she once again was pretty much just a damsel in distress. Also of course The Lady just vagueposts about her goal instead of telling Nem what it is outright, gotta keep dragging those forced mysteries out.

The Lady getting offed like that in the middle of her raid was pretty damn anti-climactic. It also seems like her faction was imdeed just made up of her and Nox, they had no other members, which is a little jarring given the high-end dream tech they possess.

(1/2)

>>23767639
>crocs
Shoot him again

>>23767712
There was nice cinematography throughout the whole episode, but this was far from Kami's best.

As soon as I saw the red moon when Baku was about to be shot, I knew everything would be fine. Then we got to the shot of Baku waking up at the hospital, and my worst fears materialized, they really went and did it, they pulled off the "it was all just a dream" bullshit I'd been so worried about. On paper it seems like a very bold twist, but 99% of the time it's just bullshit that ruins everything that came before it. It takes a very fucking good writer to actually execute it well, and Takahashi has never proved to be a writer of that caliber.

I know it was foreshadowed many times before and I was kind of expecting it, but that doesn't make this sort of twist any less cheap. I was really hoping they'd just undo the events of the last 3 episodes (what was the point of showing the Disaster Nightmare's giant butterfly putting everyone to sleep then?) which is when shit went sideways, but they went all the back to the end of episode fucking 1. Baku's interesting edgy development wasn't even reversed through further character development, it was reversed through a fucking forced reset they hamfisted after only 2 episodes of edgelord Agent Baku. Also we didn't last long without seeing Nox's dull ass again, can't wait to see him vaguepost more.

The only way they can salvage this shit is if they reveal that the events of the next episode are the actual dream, and then Baku wakes up back in his crapsack reality where Nox, Five, Six and The Lady are dead and Nem's being helf captive by CODD. But that's most likely not happening because the status quo is god and stakes are nonexistent.

Forgot to add, despite their "evil" reveal this week, CODE still seems far less evil than The Lady's faction.

(2/2)

>>23767718
Forgot to mention it, but it seems like Nem becoming Japan's most popular idol to the point everyone dreams about her was indeed just a coincidence and not part of anyone's plan, which feels very fucking contrived. CODE would've locked her up in a lab as soon as they learned where she was, and The Lady seemingly left her alone up until her accident.

>>23767503
Extremely mid, the second half could be more of the same or a fucking trainwreck.

>>23767597
>The issue isn't that they're basic, it's that the show's more plot-focused than character drama so there isn't much time spent on fleshing them out
There's shows far more plot-focused than this one that also manage to have much more compelling, useful and/or fleshed out characters. It is very much one of the show's problems.

>>23767248
They seemed really all in on the idea of the second half basically being really distinct since the beginning and it does work with the set up, so it probably wasn't a Minato thing

>>23767733
This is literally NG+ MC about to obliterate the poor tutorial boss

No idea why some other anons are so hard on the setup, to me this has been the strongest intrigue and mystery since Build. Takahashi getting away with so much gun violence because of the dreams was pretty damn clever. Solid designs for every form so far as well.
Pure 8/10 right now, lets see how the second half lands. The cast as well even though they play somewhat normal people act their asses off in the mature department even when they’re doing slapstick.

>>23767752
>No idea why some other anons are so hard on the setup
They explained themselves very well, they're just able to identify things that present themselves as deep and mature but actually aren't.

>>23767747
That is literally what this is, except its canon. Most NG+ never makes mention of doing the story before and I really wish they would it more.

>>23767752
I will say until the last few episodes, the show has been a real slog and the cast kinda sucks with no chemistry. Like now we know about the twist so looking back at it, it's kinda like oh okay but as you're watching it was really annoying. But I will say that I do agree that these least couple of episodes has really piqued my hype a lot and it's also nice knowing that the two parter bullshit is over and Nox can actually become the secondary now.

>>23767760
Lol alright professor, keep up the hard work analyzing children’s entertainment

>>23767502
Gozyuger is dogshit lmao what even is this take

>>23767776
It's called a cope.

>>23767765
>keep up the hard work analyzing children’s entertainment
Says the fag gushing about Zeztz's "intrigue", "mystery" and "maturity".

>>23767785
>anon voices an opinion
>cope

>>23767761
Because this is a show, not a videogame. All shows, manga and novels dealing with resets do tend to acknowledge what happened before the reset since in those instances it's a plot device, not a videogame mechanic. This kind of shit is not rare at all, it's the bread and butter of the reincarnator and isekai genres.

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>>23767797
So it seems like 6 gets forcefully reactivated this time instead of joining back up. Not sure if that means anything for her personality this runaround?

>>23767560
Dawn

>>23767800
"It's so bad it's good" and "it's bad, but at least it's not that bad" are textbook copes, yes.

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>>23767747
>>23767761
>>23767803

>>23767248
KOKORO NI TSURUGI
KAGAYAKU YUUKI
TASHIKANI TOJIKOMETE

>>23767752
>anons
It's literally the one guy who kept having meltdowns about Gavv last year. This was barely a twist considering everyone called it months ago.

>>23767797
I will now go back to watching your show.

>>23767842
>sees several people complaining
>it's just one guy
Take your meds. Also yes, people called the twist months ago but not all of them liked the implications of it.

I don't know. I feel like 99% of you are just faggots. I thought this was a great episode with a pretty decent twist.

>>23767857
Re-read the thread slower anon

>it's all a dream time loop
I'm intrigued. The hacky thing would be to make it all so nothing mattered but rolling the time loop element into it, they've effectively established the board and given Baku and viewers a puzzle sandbox to work out. Baku getting to NG+ the scenario again with all his endgame gear is definitely going to make him look like a major threat to CODE.

Still doesn't seem to me that CODE is an outright evil organization but one out to save the world however they can. Nox and Lady oppose it because they believe there's something better than can be achieved without CODE so they don't have to sacrifice what they hold dear. I'd expect the endgame plot will come down to erasing Nemu's entire existence to save everyone else.

Bravo Nolan

>>23767857
>I feel like 99% of you are just faggots
The feeling's mutual, faggot.

>>23767869
>The hacky thing would be to make it all so nothing mattered
They did undo every major event and death just so that Baku can re-do things with an extra advantage in power and knowledge. He's genuinely in a far better position than the one he was in right before he woke up.

The Lady mentioning she didn't sleep for 20 years probably means CODE knows everything that happened in Baku's dream right?
So the extent of the NG+ advantage is having all the upgrades and the intel to bring Nox to his side while CODE is still always a step ahead

I assume there's gonna be at least 2 or 3 more dream reveals. Feels like the kinda thing you don't really do just once.

>>23767709
>something just to prevent feet from slipping straight out of them?
Yeah, especially when she has to run/jog in them.

>>23767964
I took it as more of she couldn't risk having a dream about dropping Nem off/spying on Nem, and that requires sending agents to keep popping into her dreams to observe the dreams and get clues, not necessarily automatically mind reading type of thing.

That said, it depends on how the timeloop works. If it's just that 7 has pre-cognition for whatever reason, then CODE doesn't know. If it's because CODE altered the world (more likely), then yeah, CODE would know most of the events that happened and will try leveraging that information to getting Nem, killing Nox, and reactivating 6 sooner (this in particular we seem to see in the preview). They'll also probably try and do a better job of preventing Baku from turning on them since his powers are stronger than the Lords, and they need that for something.

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Hate to admit but it's been so long...

>>23767451
She liked it so much that she betrayed CODE.

The real world being a dream world is the most predictable twist Rider has ever done. Why are people mad about it?

>>23768025
They didn’t see it coming.
You have to understand, this is a show man-children. A lot of the media people consume these days are YouTube videos, not stories with plots. They aren’t as trope savvy as previous generations may have been.

>>23767869
Wtf is an NG+

>>23768040
>NG+
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=NG%2B

>>23767591
Schrödinger's Meteor

>>23767869
>I'd expect the endgame plot will come down to erasing Nemu's entire existence to save everyone else.

That would just make it look like CODE was in the right all along. No way they're going in that route.

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This episode felt like the ending of Mortal Kombat Conquest where everyone just fucking died to Shao Kahn.
Except that show had actually made the kinoest choice for it to be reality.

>>23768025
People have been vocal of their frustrations with the lack of plot progression with shit dragging on forever, and Nox. Nox was dead for a single episode and now shit is stalling harder than ever.

It feels like this episode revealed a lot yet at the same time we're still completely in the dark

>>23767196
So Zero was never dead or unable to keep giving Baku orders. I guess we can assume the whole "good boss" routine was all just facade so that Baku wouldn't turn against Code

>>23767481
Like:
- A nice amount of revealed info.
-The Lady not sleeping for years is pretty baller. It also explains why she talks like a retard.
- Catastrom destroying Nightmares as if they were nothing. I liked that it wasn't defeated by anyone else, Baku fucked himself up.
- If there's really a time loop,it's great because that's the best form of time travel. I expect lots of SUFFERING.

Dislike:
- Nothing in particular for now.

>>23767437
Baku or Nemu. Either of them turned the dream world into their personal nightmare they have to escape from. That's why it's a loop.

>>23768141
Or Zero and Robot Zero are separate entities.

>>23768162
>>23768141
Next episode should make it clear what's going on since Baku should avoid bike Zero's death.

>>23767869
Except that by default IT DID mattered.

Baku now knows about CODEs experiments, the dream learning program, knows about Cockface, 5 and 6, knows about NOX and LA SEÑORA, and he kept the driver and all his capsems, including Catastrom.

Right now Baku has the power to make a difference and ensure a better future for everyone... Should he get to play his cards right and assuming CODE is actually not aware of what happened.

The only thing i am iffy is Zero. He claimed he respected Bakus integrity, he claimed he would trust him with CODEs secrets, but now in this episodes, he made clear he never planned to tell him crap, he spearheaded the capture Nemu operation and wanted her for experimenting and even mocked Baku when Cockface killed him. Who knows what Baku is gonna do once he meets Zero again next week.

Something happened and it only took half the show

>>23768206
pray tell anon, what happened this episode that didn't count in any other episode

>>23768171
I don't think so, baku doesn't know Zero was actually alive so he still thinks Zero is a good boss, so unless Zero monologues his plan Baku is none the wiser

I don't think it's possible to not sleep for THIS long.

>>23768215
I'm sure he knows.

Zero did explain that the robot bike is a puppet, remotely controlled by the real Zero. And he saw the real Zero saying Goodbye to him.

What Baku could do is to act surprised and make Zero think that he doesn't know shit so he could stage a surprise attack. But we don't know the true extent of this reset, if it can be called that.

I mean, in a sense, it was a snoozefes until now.

>>23768217
LA SEÑORA is a special dream agent who was also trained via the dream learning program. It makes sense for her to have some training to allow her to keep herself awake that long... Also kids show.

If anything, regardless of that, i cant help but think of SAOA Kayaba and how he went insane from 2 weeks of uninterrupted conciousness and how Asuna said how naps are an important part of the NOT killing people process.

>"people" STILL don't get Nox
Autists aren't human

>>23768230
What are we supposed to get from someone who doesnt explain himself at all, EVEN AT THE MOMENT OF FUCKING DEATH?

I can't believe Numero Dos got fucked by a monster.

>>23768230
Only autists act like Nox, we call them vagueposters.

>>23768217
Irl you can't go longer than 2 weeks before dropping dead, but this is a piece of fiction with supernatural and sci-fi elements.

>>23768028
Everyone saw it coming, retard, they just hoped it didn't because it's an overdone cheap twist.

>>23768105
The only actual plot reveals we got are how Nem was born, part but not all of The Lady's motivation, and that CODE is actually "evil" or at least more antagonistic than it seemed before. The rest was just more vagueness and mystery introductions.

>>23768162
The robot is just a remote controlled puppet used by the real one, it's been explained multiple times before.

>>23768156
>- If there's really a time loop,it's great because that's the best form of time travel. I expect lots of SUFFERING.
Baku won't be forced to repeat everything as it had happened, things will change.

>>23768196
>Except that by default IT DID mattered
It's cheap way to give Baku a major advantage with almost no consequences.

>>23768206
every episode so far mattered for the impact of this episode to properly land. People these days have their brains burned by ADHD and can't appreciate slow burns.

>>23768028
Everyone and their mom sees it coming, they just hope it's not true because it's fucking retarded.

>>23768305
It mattered so much Baku's right back to being a goof because no one actually died on him. This was just a way to give him power-ups and foreknowledge without changing the status quo too drastically, because the drastic changes that didn't play out in his favor got effectively reversed.

>>23768305
>People these days have their brains burned by ADHD and can't appreciate slow burns
This shit is no Kuuga no matter how much you wish it was.

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>>23767481
In isolation this episode was fucking amazing except from everything about Fujimi, Baku's descent make sense, the directional quality was amazing, Lady's backstory is intriguing and now the true story starts
However when look upon the rest of the show there's so many things I don't understand and could make the rest of the show retarded depending on how they handle it
>No mention about Nem needing to be famous to appear on everybody's dreams making it seem coincidental which makes the imagery used in his father's nightmare pointless? Also the accident being seemingly accidental makes this needlessly conveluted
>ZERO actually being evil despite technically doing nothing wrong in the start
>The Lady seemingly just wants to destroy CODE and save Nem, which makes all of the actions she and Nox committed irredeemable since so far there's seemingly no plan to revive everyone that they were killing, I really hope they don't try to justify them by saying "her and Nox became crazy due to not sleeping"
Also I guess that what Nox's cryptic message about transforming too much meant what happened to him and The Lady where they had to confront their own nightmares which caused No to get trapped and Lady get pregnant. This reveal honestly makes them look like jobbers with how Baku was seemingly able to face his nightmare and get Catastorm and makes CODE seem petty as fuck for not rescuing/slicencing Nox immediately after he got trapped

>>23768354
>henshin too much
>get raped

>>23768354
Lady said CODE could track people down in their dreams.
If she's in one persons dreams they'll home in and find her.
If she's in everyone's dreams then she'd be harder for CODE to track. So they made her turbo famous so lots of people will see her there. Lady might have done some dream magic to make it easier for others to see Nem there

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>>23768390
Doesn't make Nox look like any less of a retard for doing this.

Also The Lady has never mentioned any of the idol stuff and made it sound like she abandoned Nem for good until she learned of her accident, but we'll see.

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>>23767560
Them

>>23768390
I guess that makes sense, hopefully they address it

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>>23767560
We already met him 5 years ago.

People have mentioned nox remembering the loop but honestly him not knowing is way funnier. Imagine him about to say same weird shit to baku and baku just calls him odaka and starts referencing a bunch of shit he shouldn't know like how he works for the lady while beating the shit out of nox without any effort.

I want to see him get out fucking played.

>>23768407
Would be neato if they get either Kumade or Fujioka Jr as agent 1 for the summer movie or something

I'm definitely intrigued for the next episode due to the possible explanations of this mindfuck, but undoing all the deaths is still a bullshit move, no matter the explanation. Why should I believe any future death is any more real than what we just witnessed?

>>23768082
>That would just make it look like CODE was in the right all along. No way they're going in that route.
Why not? A hero can only be a hero when his morals are challenged. Nemu actually being a cursed existence that needs to be put down fits perfectly with the themes Baku tackles. He'll probably figure out a way to soften the edge but he still needs to pay the price for doing good.

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The timeline of events regarding Nox's betrayal got a little confusing now.

So at first they made it seem like Nox was already planning his betrayal of CODE out since before he got trapped in a coma because of the whole set-up he did with the paintings in order to retrieve the Knight Invoker sometime in the future, but then he made it seem like the straw that broke the camel's back and ultimately drove him to turn on CODE was them abandoning him during the mission that presumably left him in a coma (and Driver-less as well), and he seems to be genuinely pissed about it, but we know he couldn't have possibly met The Lady during the time he was stuck in his dream coma because she literally doesn't sleep, so he must've been in cahoots with her since before that incident.

So is this faggot really pissed at CODE not sending him back-up even though he was already planning on backstabbing them back then? What a jackass.

I have a feeling we'll get an episode like the 99 lives plot in ex-aid where an episode is just baku getting killed again and again while being reset.

We'll see how many layers deep this dream is.

>>23768441
It's not a good message for a children's show to claim that the hero was wrong, the villains are right and there are innocent people who definitely need to die.

>>23768478
children need to learn that being a hero doesn't make a person automatically right all the time.

Nobody brought it up but I really liked the more intense version the Lady's theme that was playing during the climactic moments

>>23768481
Yeah, but killing innocent people isn't one of the things they should justify. Nobody who justifies that kind of shit irl is a good person.

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>>23768432
Unless he was simply talking nonsense in this scene for the sake of looking "cool" and "mysterious", he definitely knew that he was in a dream and that there would be a reset.

>>23768492
Yeah, I liked that a lot too. They saved playing it for exactly the right time.

I also really liked that Catastrom didn't job two episodes after its debut, which has happened plenty of times in this franchise. It's still a juggernaut that nobody has any real way of stopping, Baku just got fucked over by doing the right thing yet again.

Are they gonna reveal that baku's nightmare being based on a gun is because of the dream loop? Because his nightmare ended with him being shot through the heart?

>24 episodes
>A full day is 24 hours.
Kino.

>>23768539
Fuck, is this what the OP has been building up to this whole time?

> Future's Changing (Baku changing the course of events he's already lived through once)
> I'm invincible in my waking mind (when prior to this, Baku has been saying he's invincible in his dreams)
> New Ideals in tow, I start up again (Baku's POV has changed as he's restarting the series)
> Start your new life
> It's going to be continued make it true and be the GOAT (the story is continuing after Baku's "death" and now he's going to become the real invincible agent)

>>23768558
>be the GOAT
This line still makes me cringe hard.

>>23767480
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztN24kIxw4U
Updated.

>>23767754
This implies that Baku is going to be a wanted man now? Huh..?

>>23767760
It's a show about dudes in spandex beating each other up made for a predominantly child to teen audience, relax

>>23768638
This was literally the dream set up of episode 2, Baku's going through the events of the second episode again.

>>23768639
>it's just a childrens' show lol
Not an argument, especially not when the one getting called out is the one praising this show for being "mature".

>>23768644
It is mature, for a children's show

>>23767869
>>23768441
The production blog pointed out that Baku's story ended in a tragedy the first time around and tells us to wonder how the second one will end. I doubt it's gonna end in a tragedy again, they didn't even have the balls to commit with the tragedies in these last few episodes.

>>23768652
It's superficial maturity, it looks and sounds "mature" and edgy but in reality there are no stakes. It's the difference between shows like the early Heisei ones and Takahashi's shows.

>>23768654
I knew they wouldn't have killed 5 and 6 off literally one episode after they've been introduced

Did you guys really expect that the show was gonna end with the main rider getting shot like a dog?

>>23768762
I was expecting for both main riders to "get better" out of nowhere but not an entire timeline reset

>>23768754
I saw the fakeout coming from a mile away too, but that doesn't make it any less cheap and cowardly. Letting them stay dead would've been a bolder and more surprising decision than what they did.

>>23768762
Obviously not, but we also didn't want every other impactful moment in the show to be wiped out alongside his death.

My called shot is that there is no real world. This is an Azathoth situation, everything that exists is a dream in the mind of some unfathomable Nightmare and if it ever wakes up then the world pops like a soap bubble.

>>23768156
>>23768159
It's not a loop it's a premonition.

>>23768279
retarded saboernigger..............

>>23768928
You're not doing the show any favors by having your faggot shitposter ass defending it.

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>>23767503
>first half is mostly monster-of-the-week stories
>monsters mostly act in the dream world, where only Baku, Nem, and Nox can act
>Nem is mostly useless and lol Nox
>Minami, Nasuka, and Fujimi exist to react to whatever Baku describes (and he rarely bothers using his magic dream camera)
I've come to despise lengthy set-ups where each crappy episode is supposed to be justified by the promise of a spectacular reveal later on. Sure, you might potentially have a really great second half or whatever, but the first half was still an utter chore to get through.

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>>23768955

So what's the likeliest cause of the timeloop?

>world is a dream that's on repeat
>Nemu's existence somehow causes the world to reset when CODE carries out their plan for her
>Baku or Catastrom are tied to a cycle of destruction and creation so his death triggers a repeat
>Nox or Zero did something to Baku to establish a save point

>>23769009
The way the staff talks about it, it doesn't seem like the story's going to be constantly looping back to the start. It was a one-time reset so that Baku can make things end up better than they did in the dream/first half, it was more of a premonition than a time loop. This week's episode was treated as if it was a final episode of sorts, and next week's was made as if it was a new episode 1.

As for the reset's cause, I think the most likely reason is Baku's Catastrom powers destroying the current reality/dream, since Nox seemingly foreshadowed it here >>23768506

>>23769018
I think they'll keep looping. This feels like it's going to be the biggest problem Baku needs to solve and the best way to save budget by repurposing old costumes. I feel like the themes so far are pointing to a climax where taking out the final boss isn't going to solve everything instantly but just be the final obstacle before they can solve the real problem.

>>23769033
>I think they'll keep looping
I don't think they will, because of what the staff said, Baku will have to do things differently so that the second half of the show doesn't end in a tragedy like the first half did. The Opening is literally called "Visions", as in "visions from the future", and the lyrics talk about starting a new life.

>the best way to save budget by repurposing old costumes
Actually, I think Baku killing the Bomb Nightmare before it gets to the real world and releases a bunch of nightmare butterflies will actually save Baku the trouble of having to face most of the weekly Nightmares from the first half again. I think they're going to focus more on the fights against enemy Riders and Rivals in the second half like many other shows before Zeztz did.

>>23769052
It's amazing what actually letting a character talk about her views and motivations can do.

>>23769055
She still comes across as utterly insane.

>>23769063
Yes, but she is almost sympathetic in that you know she just wants to be with her daughter and her derangement largely stems from whatever Nightmare magic she's been hopped up on for decades. It doesn't excuse any of what she has done, obviously, merely it gives you a glimpse into the person she was before.

>>23769066
She still uses her daughter as a tool to achieve her goals and doesn't really listen to her pleas, so she's not even that sympathetic.

>>23769063
I think that was the point they wanted to get across. Between nosleep, her sudden betrayal and how she insisted to Nemu she is her life at CODE's base it's very likely the preggers nightmare seriously fucked with her head. Plus there was Fujimi's bit about those who get up in their dream isn't only applicable to Baku.

>>23769070
I think that is what makes her so tragic, like when she accused Baku of selling his soul to the Nightmares. It's clear she has done the same and The Lady as we know her may as well be a separate person from who she used to be. She was Nem's more, but no longer, and I don't think she's aware of it.

>>23769075
>She was Nem's mom
Don't know how I messed that up.

>Nem is a possibly dangerous Nightmare baby
>Baku is a ticking time bomb and constantly disobeys the organization
Yeah, Three didn't really do anything wrong.

>>23769072
I don't think the Nightmare influenced her to be evil (and that honestly sounds like a cheap excuse to absolve her of her sins), I think she's genuinely fucked in the head.

What kind of emotion is Extra? I know how it is to feel a bit shocked or panicked, but how is it to feel extra'd?

>>23769122
Well it's said as a cape spawns onto his outfit, so I feel life that's a good explanation on how someone is being "extra".

It's the same dude that tried to wake baku up by punching him in the gut and put him to sleep by beating him up.

>>23769122
>>23769151
It's just some lazily repurposed placeholder sound that they put in the DX Zeztz Driver in case they needed it later on.

>>23769151
>>23769154
So what would Code 2's theoretical transformation jingle be? HORNY?

>>23769188
Hysteria

>>23769122
It's like when you feel ERASEd or STREAMed, CATASTROMed even

>>23769009
It's likely one of two things: vision/precognition, this would be hinted at by Baku dying and seeing the dream/nightmare moon, which shouldn't exist in the real world anymore since Baku had defeated the Disaster Nightmare already.

The other is everything happened and the reset was an actual reset due to CODE altering the world, this is hinted at by Nox and Lady constantly talking about how CODE keeps changing the world to suit their needs, but we so far haven't seen what they've done or how they've done it; and given how much Zero seems to favor Baku for whatever special power he may have, initiating a reset because nightmares have gone public, Baku is now against CODE (especially after they showed they wanted Nem), and 5 and 6 are dead, makes sense since they now have a firmer idea on where Nem is. Given the preview has 6 regaining her memories (at least the ones she intentionally erased) and rejoining CODE, the implication seems to be that Zero and 3 also retained their memories and are also trying to do something different, which would hint that an intentional world alteration/reset is what actually happened.

>>23769081
Well yeah, she's nuttier than a fruitcake. The episode definitely isn't absolving her of anything given it repeatedly presents her as creepy and unstable, it's just showing us how she got to be this way. CODE's callousness and desire for control created a monster in The Lady, and then did it again in Nox, and then yet again in Baku.

>>23769320
Most likely second option. Not only this make baku more like a wildcard because of his power, but also makes CODE cunning or threathening enough to be the villain faction.
You have to remember they're so adamant to do 1971s homage and CODE could be this era's Shocker, if they wanted to.

Baku got the Bad End because he killed Nox 100%, this entire 24 episode nightmare was just a premonition of what would happen in case he didn't get to befriend Odaka.

>>23769332
>CODE's callousness and desire for control created a monster in The Lady, and then did it again in Nox
Those fuckers were planning to betray CODE before they actually got fucked over by it.

>>23769320
>the implication seems to be that Zero and 3 also retained their memories and are also trying to do something different, which would hint that an intentional world alteration/reset is what actually happened.
Remains to be seen but if they were already aware of 7 containing Catastrom then Baku suddenly showing off that gear on his first outing as a rider is definitely cause for CODEcern.

>>23769320
>given how much Zero seems to favor Baku for whatever special power he may have
Three doesn't, and he seems to have more or less the same level of authority and clearance as Zero, while also being more fervently loyal to CODE, so why would Zero be allowed to do this if Three's going to remember anyways?

>initiating a reset because nightmares have gone public
Black Cases have been reported to the police before, what the Disaster Nightmare did won't change things much and they also had Erase back in their hands after Nox's death.

>Baku is now against CODE (especially after they showed they wanted Nem)
That won't change because he kept his memories, so he still knows they're evil, and he kept all his upgrades on top of that so he can fight back against anyone they send after him.

>5 and 6 are dead
They can just groom more children.

>makes sense since they now have a firmer idea on where Nem is.
Except they actually don't. They've been trying to find Nox and The Lady's HQ since the RPG dream arc, Nem is trapped there, but CODE never found where it was even in this episode.

>>23769395
>any event that improves the show leads to the Bad End

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZom_gVfuw