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Why are academic elites so hellbent on pushing hip hop on schoolchildren instead of actual music?
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>>129550243
libs think that knowing about hip hop makes them cool
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>>129550243
the objective is to make the population dumber, not smarter.
a retarded population is easy to control, an intelligent one isnt.
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Academic elites worship blacks and black culture.

When jazz first became a thing the masses of Americans hated it and saw it as degenerate, but the high end literati loved it and promoted it to no end.

Starting in the 1940s the CIA launched the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a think-tank designed to channel funds into the anti-Soviet left. They funded intellectuals, musicians and artists who appeared "leftist" but were actually anti-Marxist and anti-proletarian. This included propping up hideous and meaningless modern "art" as a means of alienating the working-class from the arts and ensuring art could only be appreciated by pompous cultured elites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD49vdreggw

There is zero doubt in my mind the CIA has been behind the rise of hip hop for this exact same reason. Hip hop is primarily an anti-working class genre of "music," made by the black lumpenproletariat AKA the criminal underclass. Marx pointed out how the lumpen are an adversary of the genuine working-class, used by the elite classes to offset class struggle. The lumpen in no way threaten the power of cultured elites, hence why they use the lumpen as a substitute revolutionary subject. The Ivory Tower loves and pushes hip hop for this exact reason. The genre is anti-worker, ugly, distorted, chaotic and promotes lumpen and elitist Nietzschean values (Kendrick Lamar is a good example of this).

Meanwhile China (a socialist nation) bans rap and gets its school children learning real music, namely classical. They don’t get kids to rap or give them MPCs to learn how to “sample” but give them actual instruments. That’s because real socialism isn’t about romanticizing the gutter but about advancing humanity.
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>>129550243
>elementary school teachers
>academic elites
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4chan user in "deep concern for inner city kids" shocker
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>>129550421
It's even funnier if you assume that the above posts are all the same person.
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>>129550396
They are cut from the exact same cloth as intellectual elites, yes.
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>>129550298
This is not normal.

Keep in mind, a song like “This Land Is Your Land” which celebrates working-class American patriotism is banned from schools for being allegedly “racist and colonial” yet Kendrick Lamar and rap is being pushed on kids harder than ever.
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>>129550545
what's it like to be controlled opposition?
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>>129550282
What’s wrong with kids learning how to play J Dilla instrumentals?
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>>129550243
Hiphop was a way for industry execs to get the maximum return from the least amount of investment. It's cheaper than having to deal with a group. Sampling is also way cheaper than using instruments.
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>>129550273
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>>129550298
Are these ppl fucking real? imagine working with MPCs and keyboards in middle school that'd be cool as fuck and more useful in music production. I had to play fucking flute when I was in middle school

I bet you guys are near 40 too with these weird takes fucking faggots
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They should be teaching the youth about Jodeci and Keith Sweat so they could go fuck women and stop being faggots
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>>129551294
They're just standard run-of-the-mill culture war AI bots that run everything through the lens of left vs. right. They are unthinking.
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Yeah but Donuts is the greatest instrumental album of all time thoughbiethowever
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>>129550243
im glad that tax payers pay for shit like fucking synthesizers for kids to fuck around on and break
im glad that states spend on average $20k per student per year to not teach them anything
im so glad teachers make on average 80k a year for 8 months of work of babysitting 4 hours a day and then endlessly whine about how underpaid they are and how hard their job is
im so fucking glad property taxes are literally bankrupting people and businesses to fund this shit but think of the children, its totally not a massive greedy scam by teachers unions
im so glad school administrators earn typically 300-700k a year to administer a fucking elementary school
so glad
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>>129551356
what these sound like outrageous figures to me!! LETS CUT SCHOOL FUNDING!!!! RIGHT NOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>129550298
>>129550243
Because Academic Elites are the same that went to Epstein's Island
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>>129551236
It’s not real music.

>>129551294
MPCs are not instruments.
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>>129551114
What's it like not knowing what "controlled opposition" means?
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>>129551431
We didn't get string instruments we got brass and wind instruments and I would've rather had the MPC + keyboard over a gay flute, These are obviously no replacements for live orchestras so get the dick out your ass and stop being such a fag about this
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>>129551372
that's what republicans unironically want. they want a dumb populace that just watches fox news all day. learning about things is communist or some sheeeit
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>>129551397
But Trump didn't come from academia
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>>129551581
yup and we saw this happen in real time were woke again and were not falling for low iq populism
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>>129551581
It’s their strategy with every public service. Gut the system and let it fail, then use the failure they caused as “proof” that it shouldn’t exist at all.
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>>129550243
>posted it again award
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>>129550506
They have 0 publications and less than half as much schooling
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>>129551581
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>>129551663
why is it that the more they spend, the dumber the kids get?
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>>129550243
It would be fine if they were pushing late '80s/early '90s unc hop. Anything after like 1996 is basically torturing and intentionally retarding your students.
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>>129552790
>governments don't always get it right so let's stop trying completely!
this is what republicans actually think
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>>129550298
Why is he standing in front of a bunch of mathematical equations. Black people are so funny. Probably 5% of university courses look like this. Then black guys are like, it's mother fucking rap science, equations and shit. It's like a facsimilie of intelligence, an emulation of intelligent symbolisms. Reminds me of those third world videos of people inventing helicopters and parachutes without understanding. Weird understanding of the universe

>>129550545
The student loan guarantee created a commodified university system. Universities are incentivised to create marketable courses for financial gain regardless of their value. Yeah i've got a bachelors in Kendrik Lamarism, that'll be 40 grand thanks
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>>129550243
liberals basically solved the "problem" of blacks failing school by removing all effort from schooling. in their mind, this is "decolonizing" education. reading herman melville is racist. theyve replaced him with studying beyonce in english class (not joking, this is really happening in american urban cores).
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>>129550243
Bro, they're third graders.
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>>129553446
Schools are incentivized to dumb down the curriculum because they lose funding if students fail. It's kind of a catch-22 because the schools whose students fail the most are usually the ones who need the most funding whereas the ones where every student scores highly don't.
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>>129552790
Because red states choose to use all that spending on shoving Jesus in public schools and lawyers when they inevitably get sued for violating the First Amendment
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>>129551280
>Sampling is also way cheaper than using instruments.
Until you have to pay for sample clearance.

I remember one guy being interviewed on VladTV 10 years ago said labels wanted up to $300k to clear a certain sample. Jesus fucking hell.
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>>129554077
>up to $300k to clear a certain sample
that would be very cheap given how many smash hits now are built around samples
i have to think though that now generally artists aren't using samples unless the sample is owned by their record label. labels make money by recycling yesteryday's hits into today's
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>>129554237
They rely on sample packs from what I know.
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>>129550298
What's wrong with Nietzsche THO?
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>>129550243
That song is based around an Ahmad Jamal sample, so they're really just playing Ahmad Jamal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O68B6-LSo-M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3S1naGY9EQ
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>>129553438
I must be out of my element then studying history there coming from a family of middle class hicks and possibly moving towards a law degree if I feel like staying.
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>>129550298
I'm fed up, I've had enough, and I'm not going to take it any more!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pov0MKuyJfg
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>>129550243
>academic elites
You mean jews
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>>129550298
>When jazz first became a thing the masses of Americans hated it and saw it as degenerate, but the high end literati loved it and promoted it to no end.
Completely wrong. Jazz started as mainstream pop music. The first recorded jazz band was white. Jazz didn't become elitist until the bebop era.
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Jazz was HEAVILY funded by the CIA :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef2Qaw_5iyE
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>>129550545
>Keep in mind, a song like “This Land Is Your Land” which celebrates working-class American patriotism is banned from schools for being allegedly “racist and colonial
That's literally a commie anthem.
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>>129557587
what about that contradicts what he said?
there was a time before woke when lefties could be patriotic. now the song is problematic because he was legitimating the manifest destiny and not acknowledging the land belongs to the indian tribes or whatever
believing in restribution of wealth doesn't preclude you from being patriotic
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>>129555146
I came HEAVILY into your mom
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>>129553995
republicans want all funding diverted to those awful religious charter schools which are usually known for scoring at the bottom of their districts in reading/writing/math
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>>129557587
Native Americans have said it’s racist.
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>board filled with unemployed children parrots reddit talking points to each other
Fascinating stuff. Phish will always be the greatest rock band of all time and you will always be broke gay retards.
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>>129551581
Extremely obvious samefag. Probably all three of the replies to your second post are also you
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>>129554470
Hi Spencer. Shouldn't you have a doctorate by now?
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>>129559089
>t. extremely seething incel
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>>129559154
>exactly one minute apart
wew lad
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>>129559067
I have never ever seen a discussion like this on Reddit, ever.
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>>129559197
I rest my case
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>>129553995
You guys don't know what you're talking about. Blue states spend more on education while wasting it horribly. They have a million administrators and dump billions of dollars into nebulous programs to try to get black kids from F's to D's.
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>>129559225
Actually the main reason is because they're extremely corrupt and stealing all the money
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>>129559225
Who honestly gives a shit about red versus blue? They're both hopelessly corrupt and accomplish nothing in different ways. At least in the south nobody gives a fuck about politics other than the occasional 50/60 year old making a throwaway comment about the damn libs instead of when I lived in northern NY and had to listen to everyone I know performatively whine about bullshit that would never affect them 24/7 when I was just trying to take acid at a bar.
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>>129559247
I mean that's what I'm saying.
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>>129559179
>never seen someone forget a pic attachment and use the autopost to post asap
wew lad
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>>129559225
and yet blue states routinely academically score better than red states in addition to left-leaning people just having higher IQs than those right-leaning
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>>129559359
>and yet blue states routinely academically score better than red states
because blue states have richer populations. but their decisions like in cutting honors classes is going to make sure that doesn't last. mississippi already has better outcomes for blacks than california because california just throws money at the problem instead of trying to instil discipline.
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>>129551356
>im glad that tax payers pay for shit like fucking synthesizers for kids to fuck around on and break
my school spent a fortune on colorful iMacs for use to play 'Number Munchers' and 'Oregon Trail' on..and made sure to make me spend months learning to play the recorder and brass bells. fucking around with a synthesizer might have actually held my interest and been useful
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>>129559353
You can just not reply you exposed coping faggot
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>>129551356
Even worse: they’re teaching kids that pushing buttons on a sampler counts as “real music” when it doesn’t.
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>>129559382
>but their decisions like in cutting honors classes is going to make sure that doesn't last.
i don't deny that.

>mississippi already has better outcomes for blacks
looking at state's scores, nah.

>>129559946
>exposed
i never made it seem like i was 2 different people there, retard-kun. you are crying over literally nothing
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when i was in school, being into hip hop was a bit edgy and rebellious, and none of my teachers talked about it at all
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>>129560277
Yes and the other guy also died. You can stop posting any time dumbass
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These kids will grew up hating hip hop.
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>>129554446
2based
The OG one might say
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>>129561069
Why?
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>>129550243
So hip hop is simultaneously dying on the charts AND being pushed by “elites” in schools? Really?

“The enemy is both strong and weak at the same time.”
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>>129550243
There is literally nothing wrong with this.
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>>129559101
I already do. I have a PhD in pleasing your mother.
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>>129562943
Rap turns people into animals and it's no surprise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9guw6Mcwbk
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>>129564182
Based?
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>>129551294
you tell those timmy uncs we are of having the bbc yes
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>>129550298
>high end literati
You mean Jews.
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>>129550273
This. It’s about pandering to blacks.
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>>129553995
I live in the most liberal state in the entire country
30 years ago they enacted legislation that gave insane funding to schools
in the past 20 years the public school system in my state consumes:
ALL sales taxes
35% of new car and use taxes
ALL short term rental taxes
25% of rooms and meals taxes
ALL of state lottery money revenue
ALL of our states 'cloud tax' (we tax the internet lol)
ALL of the general surplus fund (states 'rainy day fund')
ALL property taxes

The state spends 30,000 per student per year
Test scores and student outcome in this time have gone from top 5 in the entire country, to 39th, below Mississippi (and dead last when you account for demographics).

Education is the biggest racket known to man.
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>>129550243
Hip Hop is part of the mainstream culture.
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>>129554446
His values were those of the elites.
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>>129550298
Oh look, the Maupinshill is at it again. You lost to Eric Striker and Mike Enoch:
https://youtu.be/WomGl4x_Y9c

And then you got mad and cried about it after the debate:
https://youtu.be/fVcKqlqdhXw
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>>129571507
Care to refute the actual argument?
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>>129550298
>There is zero doubt in my mind the CIA has been behind the rise of hip hop for this exact same reason.
Prove it using legitimate sources.
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>>129571697
What is there to refute? Nothing. You keep shilling the same agitprop you've done for months to fewer and fewer people. You have proven absolutely nothing and your historical framing is filtered through pure ideology. You are a bore. You are a hack. You have nothing to say.

You are niggercattle.
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>>129550243
I bet a Lil Negro asked for it and the teacher didn't want to be racist.
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>>129571507
Please don't tell me you're denying the existence of the Congress For Cultural Freedom and CIA control of the arts when all of this is documented.
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>>129572417
Nice motte-and-bailey, bro.

Nobody is denying the CCF exists but pointing to a 1950s program that promoted Abstract Expressionism to European elites doesn't prove a 1990s plot to turn Blacks into lumpenproles.
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I think everyone knows HH came out of the rise of drug and gang culture post-60s.
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>>129550273
kek true

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