>having to read sheet music and analyze the structure of a piece to fully appreciate it

Not real music

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>>129994796
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Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpISuRuqylc&list=OLAK5uy_keTyaf7z8DNX6P1eKZiOU-pG2HzSy8Ds0&index=4

>>129994796
Yeah none of that is necessary. One can enjoy classical music solely through feeling and intuition, the same they enjoy any other kind of music. It just has more to offer if you choose to examine it further.

Thoughts on Jochum's Beethoven cycle?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFd8R7DsfrY

Overlooked or justifiably brushed aside?

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>>129994796
>>129994808
this image contains the secret to all music

>>129994796
It enhances the experience. There's more ways you can listen to a piece of music. The most important one is emotionally, but I'm just saying that other ways can enhance the overall experience.

>open beethoven piano sonatas set (104 tracks)
>hit 'shuffle'

this kills the /classical/ sister

>>129995264
Ruined my day.

>>129995308
>Feinberg is simply the best. It's as if Liszt had recorded WTC.
What makes you say that? He uses similar techniques as ones Liszt is said to have as well?

>>129995355
He uses similar techniques as Liszt's pupils and other romantics had. It's the most romantic version of WTC.

Generally speaking, which Beethoven cycles of Backhaus, Kempff, Arrau, and perhaps others, is your favourite?

>>129995599
Schnabel.

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>>129995599
+ Annie Fischer and François-Frédéric Guy

if I could only have one... it'd probably depend on what day you asked me. If you asked me today, probably Annie Fischer's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiS-MQV6QwM

>>129995612
No, I'm asking of those names mentioned, and perhaps of others who also have done multiple Beethoven sonata cycles, which of their cycles is the best. Didn't Schnabel only do one cycle?

>>129995676
Oh that's what I thought you were asking. So for Kempff, his stereo cycle DG is my favorite, but many aficionados claim his mono cycle is the best -- I've never understood it.

For Brendel, the 90s cycle on Philips.

For Backhaus, the stereo cycle on DG, though again, some people praise the mono but I haven't heard it myself.

For Arrau, the Decca cycle from the 60s.

For Barenboim, I like his 2007(?) Decca cycle the most, followed by his 90s DG set. His 70s EMI set is too indulgent for my tastes, and the newest pandemic DG set is just a man past his prime, but both are fine I guess.

>>129995676
>>129995698
er, For Backhaus, the stereo cycle on Decca*

>>129995382
sounds like it must suck then

Is there any composer who regularly wrote movements of the length of Mahler 3's opening?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUjF7T15-gA
Mendelssohn is still unsurpassed to this day.

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Are there any Osvaldas Balakauskas fans here? Apparently he died. He was a Latvian composer during the Soviet era. Scaruffi liked him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdSFmCj0ldg

>The community of the Lithuanian Academy of Music and Theatre mourns a profound loss. At the age of 88, Osvaldas Balakauskas, long-time professor of the Composition Department at the LMTA Faculty of Music, former head of the department, prominent Lithuanian composer of modern music and pedagogue, and laureate of the Lithuanian National Prize for Culture and Arts, has passed away.

>Composer and pedagogue. He studied at the Faculty of Music of the Vilnius Pedagogical Institute (1957–1961) and later pursued composition studies at the Kyiv Conservatory in the class of Professor Borys Lyatoshynsky (1964–1969).

>Osvaldas Balakauskas was one of the few Lithuanian composers to consistently develop a distinctive musical language and an original compositional system. His artistic thinking was shaped by the avant-garde ideas of 20th-century music, including the works of Karlheinz Stockhausen, Pierre Boulez, Iannis Xenakis, Anton Webern, and Olivier Messiaen. His self-developed system of dodecatonics, based on multi-note diatonic structures, became a defining feature of his musical style.

>Osvaldas Balakauskas was also active in public life. He was a member of the Sąjūdis Council (1988–1992) and served as Ambassador of Lithuania to France, Spain, and Portugal (1992–1994).

https://lmta.lt/en/in-memoriam-osvaldas-balakauskas-1937-2026/

>>129996138
If you're low IQ, perhaps.

>>129994848
For whatever other merits it has, it's too slow.

>>129994848
A truly exceptional cycle. Only retards complain because it doesn't follow the metronome markings. Sure, I wouldn't want it to be the only interpretation of Beethoven, but it's not like that precludes enjoyment of it.

>>129996998
>heh, you want Beethoven's instructions to be respected somewhat? you fucking retard

>be Bela Bartok
>write into the score that a piece should take exactly 1 minute 40 seconds to perform
>record your own piece
>duration: 1 minute 50 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy7n5m5HDPs
What did he mean by this?

>>129997019
It's objectively a low iq complaint. Why can't you just be like Mackerras and respect a different interpretation while not following it yourself? Beethoven of all people would not be opposed to ultra-romantic, organicist approach to tempo if he lived long enough to be brainwashed by it. This is the same man that swallowed whole everything Hoffmann wrote about him.

>>129997080
>Beethoven of all people would not be opposed to ultra-romantic, organicist approach to tempo if he lived long enough to be brainwashed by it
We have a multitude of anecdotes from Beethoven being incessantly butthurt about people performing his music incorrect, especially in regards to tempo. So, no, he wasn't really like Brahms or Bruckner. It wasn't like that style of performance practice didn't exist in Beethoven's time.

>>129997102
>It wasn't like that style of performance practice didn't exist in Beethoven's time.
Of course it didn't. Beethoven was complaining about people just plain getting his tempos wrong or not caring about accurate tempo, not people with a late romantic philosophy architecturally shaping the music. There's an enormous difference.

>>129997114
You don't need late romantic philosophy to futz about with tempo in the same manner, which happened all the time back in the baroque and classical period. Most of what we know about tempo rubato from Chopin and Liszt was described in a similar way by CPE.

>>129997142
>Most of what we know about tempo rubato from Chopin and Liszt was described in a similar way by CPE.
Could you refer me to some quotes? I'm suspicious to say the least. But it's not just a matter of rubato, often the entire tempo is different.

>>129997197
It isn't really something that can be summed up in just a few quotes, you need to ready the entire treatise, but generally speaking CPE was a major proponent of the idea of keeping the two hands separated, one playing in time and the other playing ahead or behind depending on the interpretive insights of the performer.

>When the execution is such that one hand seems to play against the measure and the other strictly with it, the performer may be said to be doing everything that can be required of him. In such cases all notes and rests must receive their exact value... As soon as the upper part begins to anticipate or hesitate, the bass must keep strictly to the pulse.

Chopin's students described his piano playing the same way.

>In keeping time Chopin was inexorable, and it will surprise many to learn that the metronome never left his piano. Even in his much-slandered rubato, one hand, the accompanying hand, always played in strict tempo, while the other—singing, either indecisively lingering or passionately anticipating forward with a certain impatient vehemence—freed the truth of the musical expression from all rigid bonds."
>"The right hand is the conductor, it must not waver or lose ground; do with the left hand what you will and can."
>"Do you see those trees? The wind plays in the leaves, stirs up life among them, but the tree remains the same. That is the Chopin rubato!"

I mean, sure, structural rubato became stronger during the romantic period and more sweeping changes were made to the whole, ala Wagner, Mahler, Mengelberg, and others, but it's not as if the other style died off; there were still plenty of conductors and musicians that performed music closer to the original style of melodic/contrapuntal rubato. And both can be considered facets of the romantic tradition. The point is that freedom of interpretation existed in Beethoven's time and I don't think philosophical wankery around it would have done much to change his mind.

>>129997114
there's only a difference if you're coping

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Tannhauser morning

https://litter.catbox.moe/r8tyk7.mp3

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>>129995599
There's one more I forgot: Buchbinder, his newest DG cycle is his best.

His first cycle on EMI is meh, his second cycle on Sony is good, and this third one is great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtOG84xsaSA&list=OLAK5uy_kXQJwv9CSPxwHYmS5yZ4xllWRauCen53A&index=80

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now playing

start of Mahler: Symphony No. 1 in D Major "Titan"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4LUcHXMaEE&list=OLAK5uy_kfWJspr5hfj-l90N68iw9iVtb8xWq5RD0&index=2

start of Mahler: Symphony No. 2 in C Minor "Resurrection"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOPeVygr1uo&list=OLAK5uy_kfWJspr5hfj-l90N68iw9iVtb8xWq5RD0&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kfWJspr5hfj-l90N68iw9iVtb8xWq5RD0

>The Czech Philharmonic and Music Director, Semyon Bichkov, continue their acclaimed Mahler cycle with the composer’s First Symphony, one of the most evocative and colourful symphonic debuts in the history of the genre. Mahler once famously said that “a symphony should be like the world, it should encompass everything.” In his First Symphony, he creates just such a world, filled with animal sounds, hunting horns, rural dances, klezmer bands and allusions to his own songs and folk song melodies such as Frère Jacques. These elements all function within a highly subjective, immersive symphonic drama, providing a blueprint for most of his symphonies to come. Semyon Bichkov and the Czech Philharmonic approach the composer’s firstling with their esteemed eye for detail and pacing, matched by their unmistakably Bohemian sound.

>Starting with a funeral march, passing through the introspective alto song “Urlicht” and ending in choral bliss and euphoria, Mahler’s Second is a deeply spiritual and personal contemplation on the secret of life and the possibility of overcoming death. For Bichkov, the symphony “shows the life cycle in all its struggles: suffering, joy, irony, humour, love and doubt.”

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Sockhausen

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Shostakovich

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiYmKfLVRTM&list=OLAK5uy_mKaayC3UDGWMtMIgYegTqWLauQTv_L61c&index=26

>>130000088
:D

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I CAN'T STOP LISTENING TO BOCCHERINI

>>130000170
How many hours of music does he have in total would you estimate?

>>130000088
AI Slophausen

>>130000204
He has around 580 numbers in his catalogue. I only have 73 Boccherini tracks in my library, so I tried to estimate from there. The average movement seems to be around 4 minutes, and most of his works have 2-4 movements, so let's say 3 on average.

580 x 3 = 1740 movements x 4 minutes = 6960 minutes, which is about 116 hours.

But that's mostly chamber and symphonic logic. He also wrote operas, sacred works, etc., so it's probably a bit higher. I'd bump it to somewhere around 125-130 hours as a very rough estimate.

That would put him among the more prolific composers, though still below the really extreme cases like Bach, Telemann, Vivaldi, Haydn, Mozart, Liszt, etc.

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I always misread Alsop as AI slop (AIslop)

>>130000488
That's Eddie Izzard isn't it?

Bumperino

>>129993780
Literally no
>No one including me has listened to Bruch's most acclaimed works which are all vocal so not worth asking.
>immediately proven wrong
>W-WRITE A DISSERTATION ON THIS SPECIFIC WORK OR YOU'RE WRONG ;_;
Reger mogs mediocre Bruch any day of the week, and you're a midwit with no argument

figures that the stockhaushit poster would be into AIslop, since he's into postmoslop

Thank god Beethoven replaced the third movement menuet and trio with the scherzo.

>>130000170
>>130000204
>>130000402
I'm the one who's been posting a lot of Boccherini lately. My count is just under 80 hours (almost 1000 tracks). While, granted, I couldn't find a lot of his works, I scourged the net and checked with three different work lists to find as much as I could. Considering that the stuff I couldn't find was by and large theatrical and liturgical stuff, it could easily bump the total time by 10, maybe 15 more hours. I don't think the whole shebang would reach 100 though.

I fell like Sciabi's Diner would be an Automat

>>130001501
Thank god he replaced the scherzo with the adagio and put the scherzo second

>>130001450
You didn't prove anything. You replied to my first statement with an assertion of your own experience with the composer, which isn't proof. People claim all sorts of things on 4chan. I asked for evidence of your familiarity and even suggested a couple of the works I meant to indicate in Moses and Arminius. Not my fault you got pressed about it but you shouldn't have replied to me if you weren't willing or able to make the case.

>>130001540
cry harder faggot

>>130001548
Where is the argument?

>>130001551
>NOT AN ARGUMENT NOT AN ARGUMENT
louder for daddy

>>130001477
That's not AI-I knitted that myself. I don't know who the 'stockhaushit poster' is either

>>130001558
Look deep in your heart and think through your judgements more carefully in future and this will not happen again.

>>130001575
I accept your concession

>>130001580
What have I conceded? I still have no evidence your judgement on Bruch is sound.

>>130001591
Yes, yes

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Ai is pretty useful. I used it to make an A-Z of composers, I'm going to print it off and hang it on my wall

>>130001617
Hang yourself while you're at it

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>>130001617

>>130001508
>>130000402
damn!

>>130001671
For reference, my Beethoven is also incomplete but it's still ~850 tracks, clocking at ~75 hours

>>130001629
How witty anon

>>130001720
It's not a joke

>>130001617
Kek
>>130001629
Eat shit and live stream it on tiktok.

>>130001744
kill yourself, slopwhore

>>130001749
Throatfuck yourself with gigantic feces.

>>130001757
kill yourself today

>>130001764
Gargle on Biden's cumstains you embarrassment to the human species.

>>130001771
kill yourself

>>130001773
A sad, bitter, lonely man with the lowest neuron activity in the thread.

>>130001778
kill yourself

The problem with opera is there aren't really that many masterpieces, and even the number of near-masterpieces isn't very high either. Plenty of good works worth listening to once, sure, but really you'll be spending most of your time listening to the same handful of masterpieces over and over. The rotation is too small. Granted, operas range anywhere from 2-4 hours, which is 3-7 symphonies worth of music, so it does balance out a bit.

>>130001780
Clean my cat's toilet with your tongue.

>>130001788
kill yourself

>>130001789
Tongue my intestines.

>>130001798
kill yourself

>>130001804
Taste the city sewers for our amusement.

>>130001649
They are all real composers so I've got to give it that,

>>130001785
That is assuming that you have the type of autism that makes you listen to only one particular genre for weeks on end.

>>130001812
kill yourself

>>130001818
Shove a cello up your anus.

>>130001828
kill yourself

>>130001817
Right, that's the other part I originally meant to say. Ideally, you'd only listen to an opera once a week, or every couple days. Spaced out like that, you can be a very happy man with the genre, exploring new recordings of the masterpieces over and over at a reasonable pace.

But when you're listening to 3-5 a day, you get into a "I listened to Tristan und Isolde two days ago but fine, I guess I can listen to it again today... and again two days from now..."

>>130001847
Pluck out your eyes with a bassoon

>>130001855
kill yourself

>>130001858
Choke yourself on a harp.

>>130001870
kill yourself

>>130001873
Drop a double bass on your head from the 10th floor while listening to Pierrot Lunaire

>>130001888
kill yourself
igh, I'm bored, you're boring just like the AIslop you love

>>130001895
Castrate yourself with a Wagner tuba
>AIslop you love
You're so beyond low IQ you didn't even realize the post was making fun of AI you dumb AI-hating whore piece of human garbage.

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>>130001849
Do you ever listen to collections of just arias?

Someone posted a chord progression in Shostakovich(or maybe Stravinsky) that they said was really good. Does anyone remember what that was?

>>130001958
Oh yeah, he constantly keeps reposting that but I'm never that impressed tbf, I think it was from Shostakovich's violin (or piano?) concerto.

>>130001950
Occasionally I'll peep singer recitals like >>129994387 as I come across them or they come out, but for the most part no, only full operas at a time. I think I'm gonna start listening to individual Acts at a time instead though. More variety, build more familiarity with third Acts that I often only hear after I've already been focusing for 2-3 hours, etc.

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now playing

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 9 in E Major, Op. 14, No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1TJVwm8ku4&list=OLAK5uy_moYMz31N2nGudyFBCfkyLu5-7iD7S6UDo&index=11

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 17 in D Minor, Op. 31, No. 2, "Tempest"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hJnuSs7JIw&list=OLAK5uy_moYMz31N2nGudyFBCfkyLu5-7iD7S6UDo&index=14

start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 30 in E Major, Op. 109
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG5yEGvvf74&list=OLAK5uy_moYMz31N2nGudyFBCfkyLu5-7iD7S6UDo&index=16

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_moYMz31N2nGudyFBCfkyLu5-7iD7S6UDo

Whenever I post a link(s) and there's no new posts for 30 minutes-to-an-hour, I like to think it's because everyone is too busy listening to the music I just posted :)

>>130001617
ai is theft.

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Why aren't you listening to Scriabin anons?

>>130002482
I tried listening to the Preludes, Op. 11 earlier but it was too powerful so I had to turn it off and switch to something else.

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>>130002570
I don't blame you, Scriabin uses Pandiatonic psychic shifts in the first prelude that overwhelms the uninitiated, but press on and you will be spiritually renewed anon.

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now playing

start of Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No. 2 in C Minor, Op. 18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A679MJOZYic&list=OLAK5uy_lWRDvHlgay7rKNFLggoyduxujYBeoXRpI&index=2

start of Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No. 3 in D Minor, Op. 30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnQVUc_L3A0&list=OLAK5uy_lWRDvHlgay7rKNFLggoyduxujYBeoXRpI&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lWRDvHlgay7rKNFLggoyduxujYBeoXRpI

>>130001911
kill yourself

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It's time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsaXwGdmdIk&list=OLAK5uy_mfpKejSc8IOqylPzM1LU2MgjfdLt5ZFfc&index=159

Interesting how they changed the color of the album cover over time (the posted pic vs. the updated one used in the link). Less soul, more polish.

>>130002219
and not even good theft; it's like a teen stealing a Shelby Cobra only to crash and burn against the nearest streetlight

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SOVL album covers

>>130003916
>>>/rym/

if you don't like Shostakovich's 10th Symphony, we can't ever be friends or sleep together, sorry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tSTvGNWCD4

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>>130003916
stockhausen is shit garbage for trannies

>>130004179
>Accurate portrayal of the average Hovanhess fan

>>130004143
I'm glad.

>>130004221
kek

>>130004217
Short for "transcendental' I believe

It does stick out in today's climate tho

>>130003916
It is pretty cool, albeit it looks like it was made by a schizo

>>130004247
it's garbage for trash people who eat shit and are garbage
>>130004251
it literally was

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>anon's face when I short-handedly refer to Liszt's work as the Trans Etudes

>>130004285
tranny 'tudes

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>>129994736
doesnt get better than this

wait wait wait... Stockhausen's Hymnen is just German for Anthem, and not a pun on Hymen, cleverly combining the sacred and the profane? lol whoops

>>130004374
are you fucking retarded
>listens to stockhausen
right, nevermind

>>130004372
his Beethoven Piano Sonatas set is slightly overlooked too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGn4FRS4ilc&list=OLAK5uy_kEggyWYCrxEopdQsj_AwdkN28O7Ss2T-o&index=67

The biggest bummer is he didn't record the second book of Bach's WTC -- he has a recording of the first book which is pretty great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZugKwMsY98&list=OLAK5uy_k3eMNvM7RrFpVV0r3zpJ3fjOMJfKwkMXA&index=25

>>130004389
but you can see how i thought it was a mix of hymn and hymen tho

>>130004417
I cannot see the world through the eyes of the mentally challenged

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>>130004410
His ballades are also peak

>>130004465
I really like his Nocturnes set too. His Polonaises I'm still iffy on.

>>130004473
Ngl I don't care for his nocturnes, sound too sterile/lifeless. But maybe it's cause hearing any version other than Rubinstein's for me just doesn't click.
I do like his polonaise and etudes.

>>130004374
wait wait wait... Die Schlittenfahrt (from Mozart's Three Dances) is just German for Sleigh Ride and not a joke about queefs?

>>130004602
wait wait wait... Night On Bald Mountain is just about Calvary and not a mountain where if you spend the night you wake up bald?

>>130001785
opera has many masterpieces
>l'Orfeo
>Popea
>Xerxes
>Giulio Cesare
>Rinaldo
>Seraglio
>Idomeneo
>Figaro
>Giovanni
>Magic Flute
>Barbiere
>Aida
>Macbeth
>Otello
>Falstaff
>Rigoletto
>Don Carlo
>La Traviata
>Pagliacci
>La Boheme
>Madama Butterfly
>Turandot
>Tosca
>Les Contes d'Hoffmann
>Les Huguenots
>Les Troyens
>Der Freischütz
>Tannhauser
>Lohengrin
>Der Ring des Nibelungen
>Parisfal
>Tristan
>Meistersinger
>Mefistofele
>Eugene Onegin
>Wozzeck
>Lulu
>Porgy and Bess
>Peter Grimes
>Salome
>Der Rosenkavalier

>>130004861
Now do all symphonic masterpieces. All string quartet masterpieces. Piano sonatas. Piano solo.

>>130004867
The average opera is twice as long as a symphony and the list of symphonic masterpieces would indeed be about as twice as long as the one you replied to

>>130004861
the ones on your list I actively re-listen to,
>Figaro
>Giovanni
>Magic flute
>Aida
>Macbeth
>Otello
>Falstaff
>Rigoletto
>Don Carlo
>La Boheme
>Madama Butterfly
>Turandot
>Tosca
>Tannhauser
>Lohengrin
>Lord of the Rings
>Parsifal
>Tristan und Isolde
>Meistersinger
>Eugene Onegin
>(i WILL learn to appreciate Wozzeck one day)
>Peter Grimes
>Salome
>Der Rosenkavalier

And I of course have all of Strauss' on regular rotation. Like I said, when you're listening to 3-5 daily, it really doesn't feel like that much.

>>130004874
It's still outclassed in terms of just number of works and sheer number of hours. That is becasue Opera is the inferior genre.

>>130004942
>That is becasue Opera is the inferior genre.
I don't think that follows from anything that's been said, anon. All we can infer so far is opera is harder to write, plus requires more resources, so it probably wasn't worth writing them unless had an idea you really, really loved and had to get out there.

The primary imperfection of Parsifal, or perhaps more accurately the biggest missed opportunity, is the lack of female voices in the third act. The structure goes Act 1 almost all male voices -> Act 2 female dominated -> Act 3 all male voices, when it would have worked better as a dialectic, as a merger of the masculine and feminine, to have Act 3 equally consist of both. But what do I know.

Brahms' second piano sonata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIm-N9o9qN0

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this kills the wagnersister

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLljZKkBSj4

Brahms 3 and Brahms 4 are such a nice juxtaposition. One is joyful, the other tragic; both heroic and spirited. You listen to the 3rd to start the day, to inspire you, and the 4th to end it, for emotional catharsis. For symphonies with classical structure, it doesn't get better than this.

>>130003024
Die in a organ pipe

>>130004179
Do you guys think that the staging director made sure that the one with the fattest tits was top and center or did that just happen randomly?

I love Scriabin
I love Puccini
I love Kreisler

>>130006696
...but nobody loves you.

>>130006920
I am dating Puccini

why are americans so untalented when it comes to classical music?

>>130007003
they don't understand art that isn't primarily done as entertainment

>>130007003
Why do europeans love the taste of nigger and arab dick after it’s done fucking their wives?

>>130007003
Their president says it all. Fat and uncultured

>>130007113
smartest American reply

>>130007113
mutt's law + europe isn't a country

>>130007252
>europe isn't a country
NTA, but they didn't even imply it was.