>Wagner’s four operas in the Ring Cycle were recorded by Karajan between 1966 and 1969 for Deutsche Grammophon. Karajan leads the Berlin Philharmonic in recordings which were made at the Jesus-Christus-Kirche in Berlin. Karajan created the Salzburg Easter Festival in 1967 expressly for the purpose of creating a Ring Cycle with himself as conductor and director. Deutsche Grammophon subsidized the recordings sessions which took place before the actual stage productions, thus reducing the cost of stage rehearsals because they used the recordings instead of a live orchestra.

huh that's interesting

Just wanna remind everyone here about this great substack about classical music

https://classicalguy.substack.com/archive?sort=new

They have quite the posting history, so any composer, conductor, or piece you're interested in specifically, I'm sure if you search it up using the search function, you'll find a post directly related to it. For example, this recent one on Shostakovich 5
https://classicalguy.substack.com/p/building-a-collection-100-shostakovichs

or Wagner's Parsifal
https://classicalguy.substack.com/p/building-a-collection-104-wagners

or this one on Chopin's Ballade No. 1
https://classicalguy.substack.com/p/building-a-collection-70-chopins?utm_source=publication-search

There do seem to be some posts which require a paid sub, like his posts about the best recordings of the year, but there's enough free articles to make it worth checking out.

>>129972414
article about the K-God, Karajan
https://classicalguy.substack.com/p/the-top-75-conductors-35-herbert

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Best harpsichord Goldberg recording?

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>>129973235
You might find this article informative,
https://theclassicreview.com/best-of/bach-goldberg-variations-the-best-recordings-part-2-harpsichord-versions/

>The Choices
>To conclude this long (but satisfying) comparison of harpsichord recordings and select my top three versions of Bach’s Goldberg Variations on the instrument, I arrive at three standout interpretations.

>I feel that Richard Egarr plays as if his life experience is woven into his interpretation, without losing any of the freshness and sense of wonder this major work inspires. As I mentioned earlier, he takes his time compared to other versions (or perhaps they are the ones who rush?), but when you finish listening, you are left with a sense of inevitability that few other interpretations achieve.

>Pierre Hantaï’s first take on the Goldberg Variations remains as exciting and moving as it was upon its release and should be heard by any Bach or Goldberg Variations enthusiast. Though somewhat difficult to find on CD, it is available on streaming services. His second version, recorded for the Mirare label, is still readily available.

>And for the “Sleeper” version, Ignacio Prego delivers a performance bursting with talent that is hard to resist, even for veteran Goldberg Variations listeners such as this writer.

>These three versions blend the best of what the Goldberg Variations can offer on the harpsichord and serve as a gateway for listeners to explore both older and newer recordings, some of which have been mentioned above.

>>129973271
Thanks Pierre Hantais first recording is the one I usually listen to. So I can probably follow this guys recs.

I've yet to come across a bad Lohengrin recording. Even the ones on the periphery, like Sir Colin Davis', or the newer ones, like Sir Mark Elder, Janowski's, or Bichkov's (which is legitimately stellar), are all solid.

Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMveEoRmkJE

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huh, for some reason I didn't know he actually had finished recording all 9 symphonies. well, the complete cycle just dropped. maybe i'll finally go through it now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4LUcHXMaEE&list=OLAK5uy_kfWJspr5hfj-l90N68iw9iVtb8xWq5RD0&index=1

shame it doesn't include the 10th or a Das Lied. looking around, it appears it took seven years to record this cycle.

my favorite Ring is genuinelly the audio CDs of Boulez's version, but someone really needs to remaster them so that the orchestra isn't pushed so far back. Hagen's Call doesn't sound nearly as cataclysmic as it should because the orchestra is too quiet.

>>129973335
h-how did you bypass the filter?

>>129975564
He didn't spell his name correctly

>>129972316
>Milei edition

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Any musicological recommendations? I've been meaning to read something about Mahler and have zeroed in on Stephen Johnson's "The Eighth". It's an engrossing account of the 8th, dissected from every which angle (the cultural context, the antecedents, the music itself, the staging, Mahler's relationship with Alma, etc.). I am also dipping into "Mahler & Strauss" occasionally. It's written episodically and dissects the similarities/differences of the 2 in various domains, with chapter titles like "Husbands", "Conductors", "Ironists", etc.

Eventually I'd like to read Cooke's and Fischer's books, however I couldn't find them in epub format (I read on a Kindle and don't like buying printed books unless the contents necessitate this). Before these, I tried "Beauty and Sadness: Mahler's 11 Symphonies", but the prose was horrifically, garishly purple and conveyed nothing of substance.

If Scriabin was to not eat Borscht, would he prefer blini?

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>>129976082
He would prefer mazurka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am72tucOpNk

>>129975561
Yeah, the orchestra is too quiet in that recording. It's a pretty great interpretation of the Ring, but I wish Gwyneth Jones was 10 years younger before she developed that wobble, and that Manfred Jung was better.

>>129973235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNaOa6c4Sx4

>>129976289
This is awful.
Fuck you.

>>129973235
Virginia Black (note: some releases place variation 24 as variation 1 for some reason, right after the aria. as far as the performance goes, however, it is my favorite)

absolute banger youtube recommendations pull
https://youtu.be/l2mZ8HCjH60

>>129975777
Strauss and Mahler have such opposite faces. Swarthy and masculine versus pallid and babyfaced.

>>129975564
oh sorry my bad

L*hengrin

>>129976744
They were contrapositives of one another in many ways, making the comparison more interesting
>short vs tall
>lean vs fleshy
>choleric vs phlegmatic

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How would you rate Beethoven's concertos among his symphonies?

>>129976979
8 > 3 > 6 > PC5 > 5 > VC > PC4 > 7 > 9 > rest of them

>>129976979
9 > 3 > VC > PC5 > 6 > 7 > 8 > PC4 > 5 > PC3 >

the VC, PC5, and 6 is the hardest part. Part of me wants to put the 6th first, but then the VC and PC5 feel too low... ah it's tough! All three are masterpieces.

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Crap i didnt know this transcription finally got recorded in stereo!

https://youtu.be/gfQUknillUA

Sadly i had to find out through the gay jewish faggot retard but im absolutely listening to this

>>129974170
No one else is interested in exploring this cycle with me? Too many Mahler cycles? I guess the main comparison with Bichkov's to come out recently would be Vanska's, which is pretty hit-and-miss, with an interesting 'objectivist' approach. Curious to see how Bichkov takes it, as unlike with Vanska, I don't really have a conception of his overall style as a conductor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq7r-5tqZ7U&list=OLAK5uy_kfWJspr5hfj-l90N68iw9iVtb8xWq5RD0&index=26

>>129973335
Forgot to mention Lovro von Matačić's as one on the periphery. It is also solid.

>Alfred Schnittke wrote two cadenzas for Beethoven's Violin Concerto, of which the first includes musical quotations from violin concertos of Berg, Brahms, Bartók (Concertos No. 1 and No. 2), Shostakovich (Concerto No. 1), as well as from Beethoven's 7th Symphony.[17] Schnittke also wrote a cadenza for the first movement of Mozart's Piano Concerto No. 24 in 1975.

Is that allowed? or even legal? To write a cadenza for a work which contains quotations from another piece written well after the original work? How postmodern!

>>129977112
>the gay jewish faggot retard
stfu you low IQ bigot

>>129975354
true

Listening through all of Haydn's symphonies and it's mostly faceless pleasantries indistinguishable from other music of the period, but every once in a while there's something really weird like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNAZM_SGs0E
I guess this is supposed to be his much lauded "humor."

>>129977316
filtered

>>129977316
Haydn is easily the most boring composer on earth if we exclude the modern/contemporary classical.

>>129977366
maybe if you're soulless

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>>129977384
We all are.

>>129977366
>most boring composer
That would be Bruckner

>>129976122
Delicious, only the best for Scriabin

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>>129977260
But all those statements about hurwitz are factually true

>>129977112
That's a much lovelier orchestration than I would have assumed. It sounds really, really good.

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[bridal chorus theme plays softly]

>>129977433
At least Bruckner has the adagio of 7th, even if you're too retarded to appreciate the rest. Haydn is almost exclusively a bore.

>>129977640
Retards easily appreciate Bruckner because it's sorted into loud autistically discrete blocks of sound. Haydn on the other hand evidently requires you to enjoy music as such.

>>129977561
No, retard isn't true, also using gay and jewish as derogatory terms makes you a retard.

>>129977670
You are conspicuously silent on the faggot part.

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William Walton's 1st symphony

https://youtu.be/6imWPR4bPiE

>>129977695
Faggot is derogatory term for gay so I didn't need to repeat myself.

>>129977711
One of the best English symphonies.

>>129973235
Helmut Walcha

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>tfw fire alarm in my room needs its batteries replaced so it's making a loud, obnoxious beep every so often, ruining my classical music time
why is this happening to me!?

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Listen to Malcolm Arnold's symphonies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wVwvuAGY94
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0f9NbCqVJ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21ci-mSDAtY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JhmPrVTk6w

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Is Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade the most universally liked masterpiece in all of classical (and /classical/) music? I bet even the most stodgy of the antiquated baroquesisters to the most tryhard of the avant-teen postmodern RYMsisters enjoy this heartwarmingly beautiful work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DokrPBOQ2T0

>>129978211
Probably not? It gets dismissed pretty regularly by German chauvinists for being kind of a virtuoso orchestral showpiece. Also that recording of it is godawful and flatfooted like everything I've ever heard from Gergiev.

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>>129978364
>Probably not? It gets dismissed pretty regularly by German chauvinists for being kind of a virtuoso orchestral showpiece.
Are you sure? I feel like even those types who regularly dismiss Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninoff still enjoy Scheherazade.

>Also that recording of it is godawful and flatfooted like everything I've ever heard from Gergiev.
I picked it at random outside of not wanting to post the usual Reiner or Stokowski or Karajan. My b

As for Gergiev, I think he's pretty good with the Russians -- Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Scriabin, Prokofiev, Rimsky's operas. And occasionally non-Russian things too. But I can understand not liking him. I just figured his Scheherazade would be good since his Rimsky operas are good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA-1IwThpyE&list=OLAK5uy_m18l9cSv6ouZiiAOU9xVVJBXcG2ZmIS6M&index=1

>>129978463
>Are you sure? I feel like even those types who regularly dismiss Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninoff still enjoy Scheherazade.
Yeah, I've seen people condescend to it or file it under classical 'pops' they grew out of.

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>>129977575
Always really liked this orchestration, so it finally being recorded in stereo is great. Recording is a little lacking in energy at points but I'm grateful someone even recorded it at all.
>>129977670
Gay is and should always be derogatory. Jewish I can agree with just because I like too many Jewish musicians.

Scriabin smells nice

The Scriabincels have gone insane

>>129977260
oh okay so Hurwitz is actually smart straight and latino now

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now playing

start of Chopin: 24 Preludes, Op. 28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUAyyek9Mrc&list=OLAK5uy_nfg90zj-aRjosXB6ityGoDJbwKsp8uEKA&index=2

start of Scriabin: 24 Preludes, Op. 11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho7InyZfVw0&list=OLAK5uy_nfg90zj-aRjosXB6ityGoDJbwKsp8uEKA&index=26

start of Akio Yashiro: 24 Preludes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMFFbfUrR68&list=OLAK5uy_nfg90zj-aRjosXB6ityGoDJbwKsp8uEKA&index=49

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nfg90zj-aRjosXB6ityGoDJbwKsp8uEKA

>>129979194
>Mao Fujita follows up his 'acclaimed' debut album on [Sony], the Mozart Piano Sonatas, with a similarly ambitious recording project, 'Preludes'; three complete sets of 24 preludes by Chopin, Scriabin, and 20th century Japanese composer Akio Yashiro. This album represents a fascinating exploration of three different but intricately connected worlds, each full of poetic diversity, volcanic energy and atmospheric stillness. Each of these three sets are in perfect symmetry with each other, each containing 24 short preludes, one for each major and minor key.

>But it is Chopin's preludes that form the axis around which these other two sets of preludes orbit. Chopin's Preludes, Op. 28 (1839) broke all expectations of the term 'prelude', elevating the form from small, often-improvised, introductory pieces to singular works in their own right, and in this Op. 28 set, presented as a spinning constellation of self-contained ideas and emotions, and some of the most enduring and loved piano pieces in the repertoire.

>Scriabin's Preludes, Op. 11 (1888-96) echo Chopin's set in so many ways - the number of preludes, the ordering of the keys, the concept of the prelude as a short, but significant work - but is certainly no copy, rather more a descendant, an extension, hyper expressive, each prelude an intricate miniature world of it's own.

>The third set of preludes is perhaps the most intriguing. A world premier recording of the 24 Preludes (1945) by Japanese composer Akio Yashiro. Taking Chopin's model even further, Yashiro creates a highly idiomatic and original work, written when only 15 years old. This is the most personal work on the album for Mao Fujita, with a relationship to the composer's widow, and presenting the work for the first time as a commercial studio recording. Or as Mao puts it, "the Chopin and the Scriabin are the fish and the rice, the base, but the Yashiro is the wasabi, just as vital, and that special kick to create something delicious."

>>129979141
they've always been fake-crazy in an attemp to be funny. one in every ten posters here is actually somewhat normal and mature and thus enjoyable to talk to. the rest range from avatarfaggots to actually crazy people who have no social life.

>>129978539
>Gay is and should always be derogatory.
What an embarrassing, low IQ bigoted comment.
I shall never reply to your stupid questions.

>>129979301
There's also TalkClassical, Good-Music-Guide, and reddit.

>>129979301
You can help to improve it by lending a hand in getting rid of the avatarfag.
>>129979320
What are you talking about, schizo?

essential schizo-core
>scriabin
>strauss (operas)
>wagner
>messiaen
>stockhausen
>philip glass
>bach (hip + harpsichord)

>>129979356
Who the fuck was trying to "force lgbt" you actual fucking retard?

>>129979358
Morton Feldman, Schoenberg, Stravinsky

>>129979371
That's me you idiot, where was I "forcing lgbt" and what the fuck does that even mean?

How would you describe Puccini in one word

>>129979207
>the Chopin and the Scriabin are the fish and the rice, the base, but the Yashiro is the wasabi, just as vital, and that special kick to create something delicious
Ok

>>129979440
Cucc

Be it being against change or wanting to go back to previous times, the essence of reactionary thinking is that change is inherently negative in the context of progress, of creating a new, arguably better paradigm. Nietzsche was the opposite of a reactionary. He was an iconoclast and a revolutionary.

The final redpill is that Wagner, Chopin and Mahler are the only good composers, we can forget about the rest, they are waste of our time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg3pHkzUerc

>>129976911
>zodiac-tier reading
tell us more, oh phrenologist

>>129977235
Not only is it allowed and legal, it's traditional and par-of-the-course

>>129976979
>>129976979
>>129977112
>>129977561
>>129978539
kill yourself

>>129980344
He's avatarfagging which is against the rules btw.

>>129980358
all the more reason it should kill itself

>>129980294
I'm just highlighting their obvious, surface-level differences, not drawing any conclusions from them

>>129980383
I don't care what it is you're doing

>>129980370
You should help the process.

>>129980400
and how do you propose one does that

>>129977316
>faceless pleasantries
That's a good description, most of the Classical period sounds like that to me

>>129980473
That's why Beethoven is a romantic, he stands out from the rest of the faceless pleasantries.

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Boccherini moment of the day: String Quintets op 18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5AM3yqgOf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQELF6ES6GY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMoHxa4HhZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRjK2vh0VOI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M88yB20tX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjw3gDH9zAk

>>129980473
>>129977366
>>129980473
>>129980511
Grow a heart or die a beast

>>129980527
>Grow a heart or die a beast
line goes hard ngl

>>129980311
idk the last recording I listened to that does this, the Rattle/Veronika Eberle performance of Beethoven's Violin Concerto, the reviews and popular response was pretty unanimous in criticizing the modern-sounding cadenza, outright claiming it ruined the entire thing

https://youtu.be/V_3c6AKU6CY&t=1200

not very traditional nor par-for-the-course, and I'm contacting my lawyer to see if this is in fact illegal

>>129980700
I'm all for trying new things but if I heard that in concert, I'm shouting
>Merde!

>>129980700
>criticizing the modern-sounding cadenza, outright claiming it ruined the entire thing
That is also, starting with late romanticism, traditional and par-of-the-course

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It is now out for real, the new Nelsons/Gewandhaus Mendelssohn cycle, of both the symphonies and oratorios!

Paulus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8ZkdIBI3Gs&list=OLAK5uy_kWhld3LK3cCSh5EMzZv0QijUZ62ays4wQ&index=2

Elias
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwfLj4AyRMA&list=OLAK5uy_kWhld3LK3cCSh5EMzZv0QijUZ62ays4wQ&index=52

Symphony 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qPUQleXrjM&list=OLAK5uy_kWhld3LK3cCSh5EMzZv0QijUZ62ays4wQ&index=93

Symphony 2, "Hymn of Praise"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMPs9hONS8I&list=OLAK5uy_kWhld3LK3cCSh5EMzZv0QijUZ62ays4wQ&index=97

Symphony 3, "Scottish"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThLH3AuQQ8I&list=OLAK5uy_kWhld3LK3cCSh5EMzZv0QijUZ62ays4wQ&index=111

Symphony 4, "Italian"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wTNo5Tz4p4&list=OLAK5uy_kWhld3LK3cCSh5EMzZv0QijUZ62ays4wQ&index=115

Symphony 5, "Reformation"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuQ8c9-jNWE&list=OLAK5uy_kWhld3LK3cCSh5EMzZv0QijUZ62ays4wQ&index=118

review
https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-mendelssohn-complete-symphonies-paulus-elias-gewandhausorchester-nelsons/

yes these posts take a lot of effort to create, so please at least give a peep. Not even because I'm a huge fan of Nelsons (though I always support contemporary musicians when I can) or particularly Mendelssohn, it's more so I'm always hyped about new big budget recordings of great oratorios -- if this set only included Paulus and Elias I'd be just as excited. The symphonies are nice to have though for sure.

>>129972316
Any vidya music you guys like? Was listening to FF15's soundtrack and it has some good orchestral pieces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJyzjV50tS8

>>129980971
Not sure what this has to do with /classical/. Maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?

>>129980973
/mu/ is retarded, I wanted recs from you guys who are slightly less retarded.

>>129981010
Not sure what this has to do with /classical/. Maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?

>>129981010
You are even more retarded than /mu/ so you don't have any kind of authority to claim who's retarded and who's not.

>>129980971
bro u ever heard of hans zimmer hes pretty heckn cool dude

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>>129980971
Ace Attorney has some good stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQRCRW7Q9iQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYiQuNAuvJI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9GPdUkMmFo

>>129980973
>>129981024
>>129981029
Chill retards, some game and movie OSTs are classical-adjacent. Fucking Shostakovich did movie scores

>>129981076
kill yourself.

>>129981076
Not sure what this has to do with /classical/. Maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?

>>129981090
>>129981091
nearly every classical radio station plays movie scores and video game shit occasional, you are retarded

>>129981114
>retards play retard music
>this justifies my obsession with retard music

>>129980971
This general may be more your speed >>/mu/kpop

>>129981161
The average classical station host is more knowledgeable than the average retard in here.

>>129981114
that's not the gotcha that you think it is

>>129981182
Yeah, I'm sure they are. lmao.

>>129981182
go listen to them instead of being an annoying cunt here then, cunt

>>129981040
Most J game composers mog western film composers. It's a shame the Zimmers of the world get lauded because of the medium's popularity.

>>129973235
Trevor Pinnock

>>129981263
Thanks I'm familiar with his already. It is good.

>>129981235
>Most J game composers mog western film composers
not the feat you think it is

>>129972364
Is there no piano arrangement of a ring cycle? I thought it's a solved problem.

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Swiss cheese kept a man sane

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Why aren't you listening to Scriabin anon?

>>129981475
I'm busy listening to Boccherini

>>129981475
I'm listening to Liszt.

>>129981524
That's great, but I would recommend some Scriabin preludes and poems afterwards, try the the op 32 set, and his first 48 set of preludes, specifically op. 11, and op 16-17

>>129980971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQoEIfzZp1c

>>129981475
I'm listening to Pergolesi.

>>129981548
Thanks, but I've already listened to everything Scriabin's done that's been committed to recording. Not to say I won't ever do it again (I do often enough), but the point is there's no need to recommend him to me. Boccherini on the other hand I'm only now getting to know.

>>129982016
You can never have too much Scriabin anon :)

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Mahler's 7th didn't click till I heard Gielen's version. It's like a caleidoscopic film score, at times triumphant, at times melancholy, at times mischievous. Bernstein's and Levine's are nice too, but this really clicked.

>>129982604
Hmm, other people have said this before in the past too. Fine I'll give it a try, I'm sold.

>>129981201
Ignore this faggot

>>129981437
Now that's some real cost-savings! Where'd you get your MBA

I keep talking myself into listening to the Knappertsbusch, Krauss, or Furtwangler Rings, then like 30 minutes to an hour in, after the reminder of how poor the sound quality is, and how there's so many great sets without audio issues, I turn it off. Then the cycle repeats like a week later, once I convince myself the sound issues aren't actually as bad I think. I'm just not cut out to be a hiss sister, sorry.

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Tchaikovsky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEWd5JlSAhw&list=OLAK5uy_kmQ5tchhUnSCEJIWUoAtuzNFsfClOM2pQ&index=15

>>129983018
I wonder if this album cover bothers me so much because it's a mirror to my own body type; giant head with a small, thin, twink body.

Interesting Karl Bohm doesn't seem to have a distinct, identifiable conducting style. He just does a good job of whatever the piece is at hand. Similar to Haitink, but even Haitink's careful, intelligent style is more readily distinguishable in comparison to Bohm.

>>129983356
I think Bohm's Mozart is pretty easily identifiable.

>>129983555
I agree. I meant that style doesn't carry over to his performance of any other composers. His vision of a work often applies to anything else by that same composer, true.

One day, I started to look at some of the manuscripts and I noticed that they contained some numbers. In the first movement of the E-flat string quintet, K. 614, for example, Mozart writes a number at the end of the first section of the first movement-the part we call the exposition-the spot in so-called sonata form where the players go back to the beginning and repeat what we have heard thus far. And Mozart wrote a number there; and at the very end of the movement he wrote another number. The number that he wrote at the beginning was the number of bars that he had used up to that point, and the number at the end was the number of bars from that point until the end of the piece. He wasn’t counting them, mind you, from line to line, He just wrote them down, and he wrote down the correct number of bars in the first section, and then he wrote down the correct number of bars of the second one.

Why do you suppose he wrote them down? They must have mattered to him. Why did they matter to him? Probably because he was interested in proportions.

Sometime in the late ’60s or early ’70s, Wolfgang Plath, one of the century’s leading Mozart scholars and the expert on his musical handwriting, started looking at a sketch leaf that puzzled him. It had some music on it but it had a pile of numbers. As it turns out, Mozart dabbled in number theory. He never went to school for a single day, but he was interested in double and triple factorials-just fooling around on his own with numbers. Maybe it means something, maybe it doesn’t ‘ambidue, ambitre,’ …how you can take numbers and do things. You could think: maybe it means something, and maybe it doesn’t.

>>129983617
Plath saw these numbers, arranged in three columns. He thought, “I wonder what these numbers could be? There are hundreds of things they could be I couldn’t possibly figure out 200 years later. They could be receipts for lessons, or concerts, they could be laundry expenses, or food expenses, or God knows what. Hmmm, is there anything they could be that I could figure out?” And suddenly, he thought, “Bar counts. They could be bar counts. But wait a minute. Three big columns…If it were a sonata, there could be only three numbers per column; in a symphony or string quartet, there would be only four; with five or six, or seven, maybe it could be a divertimento or some other occasional piece. But this is a long series of numbers in each column, so it cannot possibly be one of those. What could it be?

“Wait! An opera. It could be an opera. …

“All right. Let’s look at this more carefully. Is there any music on this sketch leaf I can date? Yes…here is something from 1782. What opera did Mozart write in 1782? Die Entführung aus dem Serail, K.384.”

Plath then proceeded to take out the score of The Abduction from the Seraglio. The first number of column 1 was the bar count of the overture. The second one was Belmonte’s first aria from Act I…and so on. Plath hit the jackpot. Not only that: there was a number in the third act-24-that came before the chorus of janissaries. But the autograph score has no 24-bar piece there. It does, however, refer to the fact that a march should come before that chorus, in spite of the fact that there is no trace of the march in the autograph. When Gerhard Croll was editing The Abduction from the Seraglio for the New Mozart Edition – Neue Mozart-Ausgabe – he consulted not just the autograph, but all surviving early manuscript copies. And one of them did contain a march before the janissaries chorus. And guess how long it was? Yup, 24 bars.

>>129981662
His Stabat Mater is peak.

>>129983617
>>129983623
Just short of interesting. But still enjoyable to read.

Essential Complete Beethoven Symphony Cycles
>Barenboim
>Bernstein
>Blomstedt
>Chailly
>Furtwängler
>Jochum
>Karajan
>Kletzki
>Konwitschny
>Leibowitz
>Mackerras
>Scherchen
>Schuricht
>Solti
>Szell
>Wand

>>129984317
Haven't heard any of Barenboim, Konwitschny, Leibowitz, Mackerras, Scherchen, Schuricht

>>129980527
Boccherini is rapidly becoming one of my favorite composers. I guess this is what happens when you finally take the chamberpill.

>>129978097
honestly surprised you could tell the difference.

what composer should I try if I like shoving my entire arm all the way up my ass?

>>129983795
It begs the question, WHY did Mozart count his bars?

>Among the audience at Bayreuth was the young Sergiu Celibidache, who hid in the lavatory overnight in order to surreptitiously attend rehearsals.

The type of dedication that just doesn't exist anymore.

>>129984424
You can't physically shove your arm up your ass. Unless you amputate your arm first.

Gilels Brahms PC 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9TlSOeFU1Q

my sped teacher when i was a kid used to say classical artists have autism was that true or was she trying to make me feel better

>>129984424
Henry Cowell

>>129984521
kill yourself.

>>129982942
How do you think ballet/opera rehearsals were happening in the past, especially before record players? What, they gathered the entire orchestra for corps de ballet or choir to work on a scene? No, often composer produced a piano version in addition to a full score so you need only one player for rehearsals, etc.

>>129984521
Not only were classical composers autistic, but so were (especially) mathematicians, physicists and all the other major innovators and great minds. Innovation and intellectual contribution without at least some autism is rare. High performance in STEM is constantly linked to autism in studies, and great artists, philosophers and writers aren't too far behind. If you take a look at the biographies of Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin, or Newton, Riemann, Dirac etc. It's easy to notice how autistic they were.

CALL ME PACHELBEL, 'CAUSE I HAVE A CANON IN D

>>129984533
a femanon cant ask a question can she?
>>129984580
thanks that makes me feel better about myself and my stimming. i feel a bond towards music unlike most normies.

>>129984664
100% chance of this being a tranny

>>129984684
>all women must be troons on the internet
>if she says she's a woman she's a troon
>if she says she's a terf, she's just bad as a troon
fine if you want to jack off to scriabin like the other homos here i just wont ask anything

>>129984664
100% chance of this being a tranny

>>129984664
The fuck does being a female has to do with anything here?

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I am in a world, where I am taking a stroll in a beautiful park built by the divine, suddenly my legs feel tired and request to stop. Cordially I went on ahead to sit under the shade of a chestnut tree. My fatigue washes away from me as I slip into my imaginative daydreaming, I can hear the melancholic chirping of the sparrows and the water flowing from the creeks, feel the gust of a chilly wind approaching my face, smell the rejuvenating fragrance of the good earth. But then I realize I was just listening to the start of Lohengrin. I a poor soul, venerate the gods for creating such beauty and allowing an inferior soul like me to experience it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG53S27HI5k

>Verdi—Rigoletto
Thouroughly entertaining from start to finish.

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This sounds like Beethoven's late string quartets. Bach is truly the genius of all geniuses.

>>129985706
Yeah I really love that one! Which recording?

>>129985846
It's incredible, yeah. If it were an outright string quartet piece, it'd be in the top five ever, easily. Check out the recordings by the Keller Quartet and Cuarteto Casals -- much faster and taut than the Juilliard's, but very good!

>>129984462
That's a fantastic anecdote.

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How is it most of Sawallisch's Wagner recordings are in the most popular tier of their respective work (ex. Tannhauser, Lohengrin, Meistersinger, even Flying Dutchman) but his Ring is kinda brushed aside? Is it a marketing thing? Or really about comparative quality?

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>>129985847

>>129985895
Ah, haven't heard that one. It seems to be the most popular on a cursory search. I'll check it out on my next listen! I usually opt for Kubelik or Solti.

But yeah, I completely agree it's a sonic treat from the very first note to the end. One of my favorites from Verdi for sure.

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now playing

start of Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 2 in G-Sharp Minor, Op. 19, "Sonata-Fantasy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMWuGF-aAZw&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=2

Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 5, Op. 53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INDMiMWJBD0&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=4

Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 6 in G Major, Op. 62
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ5jAJT_sNs&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=5

Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 7, Op. 64, "White Mass"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpJW87KOBcI&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=6

Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 9 in F Major, Op. 68, "Black Mass"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_TU5ShZwBI&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=7

Scriabin: Fantasie in B Minor, Op. 28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHGtgZnYE0w&list=OLAK5uy_lmGKdh-Jd_h-V8Rbuy3SSMoISjyjbp1ww&index=7

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Beethoven? No thanks, I prefer Vaughan Williams.
Bach? No thanks, I prefer Purcell.
Mozart? No thanks, I prefer Byrd.
Haydn? No thanks, I prefer Tallis.
Brahms? No thanks, I prefer Elgar.
Schumann? No thanks, I prefer Britten.
Mendelssohn? No thanks, I prefer Holst.
Bruckner? No thanks, I prefer Arnold Bax.
Mahler? No thanks, I prefer Malcolm Arnold.
Tchaikovsky? No thanks, I prefer Walton.
Schubert? No thanks, I prefer George Lloyd.
Chopin? No thanks, I prefer Michael Tippett.
Dvorak? No thanks, I prefer William Alwyn.
Sibelius? No thanks, I prefer Delius.
Shostakovich? No thanks, I prefer Thomas Ades.

English classical supremacy NOW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCdw_gUq4nM

>>129985967
Utterly vile and nauseating.

>>129985925
So far I've just been checking classicstoday for what they list as reference recordings and then listening to whichever one of those has Pavarotti on it.

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John Eliot Gardiner fucks you. He fucks you so hard you can't even relate. You can't compromise. You can't adjust.

He fucks you hard, he fucks you deep, he fucks you long.

100% pure bred English Dick. In your ears, in your mind, in your music.

John Eliot Gardiner fucks you beyond your own capacity to understand. He fucks and and sucks you to the grave, to the second life, to the astral realm.

Bow before JEG's Mass. The Mass Grave of your resistance to the Empire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT6vRpmyiW0

>>129986153
A solid system as any.

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>literal homosexual got mad because i think calling people poopdicks is naturally derogatory
Geg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npnl9CX6sO0

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What are some recordings which, if you owned on vinyl, you would have worn out at some point and had to buy a new copy? I've never experienced it but based on reviews, it seems to be something that happens.

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>>129985941
Thanks for taking my advice anon :)

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I'm tired of being ashamed of enjoying his music

>>129987308
kill yourself

>>129987508
off the top of my head

Bruckner - Symphonies (Karajan)
Bruckner - Symphonies 7-9 (Giulini)
Schumann - Symphonies (Sawallisch)
Dvorak - Symphonies (Kubelik)
Dvorak - Cello Concerto (Giulini/Rostropovich)
Beethoven - Violin Concerto (Giulini/Perlman)
Beethoven - Piano Concertos (Levine/Brendel)
Beethoven - Missa Solemnis (Karajan) + (Bernstein)
Brahms - A German Requiem (Karajan) + (Klemperer)
Brahms - Cello Sonatas (Rostropovich/Serkin)
Mozart - Requiem (Karajan)
Mozart - Mass in C (Karajan)
Mahler - Symphony 9 (Karajan)
Mahler - Symphony 5 (Bernstein/Vienna)
Mahler - Symphony 6 (Bernstein/Vienna)
Mahler - Symphony 7 (Kondrashin/Concertgebouw)
Mahler - Symphony 8 (Nagano)
Elgar - Cello Concerto (Barbirolli/Du Pre)
Elgar - Symphonies 1 + 2 (Previn)

Not many because I feel like I keep my listening distribution of any given work pretty evenly dispersed across a handful of select favorites, + always trying something new.

>>129985967
>no Foulds
not even trying

>>129987577
The only work of his that I've listened to is When David Heard and I got the feeling that the rest of his output would be 1. rather similar in style and 2. not even close to as good so I never bothered listening to anything else of his.

>>129981201
Pay attention to this hetero

>>129987593
my b. I'd like to make an excuse of I thought he was Irish or some shit, but in all honesty I forgot about him. Can't remember everyone in the moment!

>>129986157
>>>/ao3/

>>129987308
The guy was probably trolling, defending homos on 4chan is retarded

>>129987613
kill yourself unironically

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Keep your Schnabels, your Richters, your GiLELs, your Backhauses, your Brendels, your Guldas, your Ashkenazys, your Barenboims. For me, it's Annie Fischer's Beethoven.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWrAG3mqr2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBlg0RL9a1Q

>>129987613
keep living ironically

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>>129987508
This recording would have been worn out several times over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPF3ECIu0Nc&list=OLAK5uy_kS4zh1-semo1JK4Gz6er6yM5zamTuBcVA&index=24

Same with Rostropovich's recording of the Cello Suites and Milstein's of the Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin.

>>129984351
Genuinely glad to hear that, anon. He certainly came to occupy a high place in the classical period echelon for me
>>129982177
You can, when it gets in the way of expanding your horizons

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Listen to Max Reger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9JlnA0Qhhg&list=OLAK5uy_kEUmg1JMvGDDu_l-UGU91q1H81SlnGgo4&index=44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr8v9bXpgaU&list=OLAK5uy_kEUmg1JMvGDDu_l-UGU91q1H81SlnGgo4&index=48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsVUQT3-eM0&list=OLAK5uy_kEUmg1JMvGDDu_l-UGU91q1H81SlnGgo4&index=54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXcr85OIQzI&list=OLAK5uy_kEUmg1JMvGDDu_l-UGU91q1H81SlnGgo4&index=60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDbGXPwUd5o&list=OLAK5uy_kEUmg1JMvGDDu_l-UGU91q1H81SlnGgo4&index=86
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAYI7aAVjfQ&list=OLAK5uy_kEUmg1JMvGDDu_l-UGU91q1H81SlnGgo4&index=121
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7tINU3vt_w&list=OLAK5uy_kEUmg1JMvGDDu_l-UGU91q1H81SlnGgo4&index=177

>>129987689
whoops, forgot to include a piano piece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET4MMWbOsqI&list=OLAK5uy_kEUmg1JMvGDDu_l-UGU91q1H81SlnGgo4&index=160

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*blocks your path on the way to the Holy Grail*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj5bE98iHpk&list=OLAK5uy_kFRVT23xTXNVvA4nKh1yFq9WVOeJ_1cj0&index=21

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>>129987689
ok /classical/ it's TIME we set the record STRAIGHT for GOOD and SETTLE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL

>>129987795
/classical/'s silence on this subject is deafening

>>129987795
I used to say Bruch but now that I've properly listened to more Reger, it's easily the latter.

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damn Andris Nelsons keeps busy. Just got a notification on my phone he's coming out with a Mahler 5 with the VPO, and searching it up, it appears they're coming out with an entire cycle!

>Release date: 1 May 2026

>Andris Nelsons and the Wiener Philharmoniker launch their long-awaited complete Mahler Symphonic cycle for Deutsche Grammophon with a breathtaking account of the Fifth Symphony, recorded in 2022. This stand-alone release captures the orchestra’s luminous sound and Nelsons’ deeply human approach to Mahler’s music – by turns intimate, ecstatic, and transcendent. The performance’s sweeping intensity and radiant Adagietto offer a thrilling prelude to the full cycle to come, promising one of the most significant Mahler projects of our time.

>Nelsons follows Mahler’s multifaceted score with a keen sense of contrast, transition, and emotional depth. The result is an interpretation that takes the work’s drama just as seriously as its lighter, almost ethereal moments.

>This double-vinyl release marks the start of Nelsons’ Mahler cycle with the Vienna Philharmonic and invites listeners to rediscover one of the central works of the symphonic repertoire.

https://store.deutschegrammophon.com/en-en/products/andris-nelsons-mahler-symphony-no-5-113763

The notification I got on my phone was for an excerpt they release from the 5th's Adagietto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Sbh4r4MCU&list=OLAK5uy_mRi1pvjW0nZEAEtDng44ceHYWL6q548OA&index=1

Sounds good to me.

>>129987795
>Brahms Lite vs the Mahler of chamber and concertante music
no contest

>>129987795
No one including me has listened to Bruch's most acclaimed works which are all vocal so not worth asking.

>>129988177
I will this week (provided I can find recordings).

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did you listen to it yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMGzkgNg98Y

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>A contemporary recreation of when God put a gun to Wagner's head and forced him to compose Parsifal

>>129988177
Skill issue. I have. No contest.

>>129988236
I reiterate the promise I've made to you over a number of this general's editions never to listen to it in any shape or form

>>129988321
yeah sorry I don't believe you

>>129988332
That is your prerrogative. Reger is still the better composer.

>>129988331
yeah well reiterate this!
*unzips wiener philharmonic*

>>129988337
look, when you give a precise musical account of Arminius or Moses then I'll take you seriously but the more obscure the material the less convincing are these kinds of flippant judgement which mean literally nothing to anyone besides yourself, if in your heart you truly know these works with the familiarity required to make them

>>129988360
Thank you, no

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This is incredible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2HCdEyvtT8&list=OLAK5uy_lgp17LaVNMpFxsLOle60iYvO8UdUhN_SI&index=10

>>129988366
Sounds like a You problem tbհ. Reger sweeps with Bruch's beard, that's just how it is. I could ask the same of you but regarding the works of Reger, but I won't because I know it's pointless. Reger reigns supreme. No contest.

>>129988382
>Reger sweeps with Bruch's beard, that's just how it is.
nta but i lol'd

>>129988382
>հ
Huh, how did I do that? Righteousness, probably

>>129988382
I never said that Reger was worse, that's your hallucination. I simply said that the question itself is pointless because of the demonstrable lack of familiarity and access to Bruch's most acclaimed work.

Max Bruch? Max Reger.
Franz Schubert? Franz Liszt.
Arnold Schoenberg? Arnold Bax.
Anton Webern? Anton Bruckner.
Alban Berg? Alban Berg Quartet.
Sergei Rachmaninoff? Sergei Prokofiev.
William Byrd? William Walton.
Edvard Grieg? Edward Elgar.
Richard Wagner? Richard Strauss.
Gustav Mahler? Gustav Holst.

>>129988397
And I said your retort is false, and declared Reger to be the better composer, what's not clicking?

>>129988411
Johannes Sebastian Bach? Johannes Brahms.

>Richard Wagner? Richard Strauss.
Richard Schumann.

>>129988412
Your not believing my statement, which, again, is your prerogative. Hope this helps!

>>129988412
what isn't clicking is that the channish habit of doing epic quickfire judgement with an affect of authority can only be meaningful if there is general familiarity with the works in question. if you can't give an account for your judgements then you're just posting it to jerk yourself off since no one else has heard Arminius and you're hardly encouraging us to try.

>>129988439
>no one else has heard Arminius
Now everyone will and your argument will be as null as ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAMPXwKeBHs&list=OLAK5uy_nOkySK_f7BWOHRAoiI2JQlSuCYIwirZnA&index=2
Reger reigns supreme and undisputed though

Favorite recording(s) of Schumann's Symphonic Etudes? I can't seem to find one that totally satisfies. Maybe it's just a flawed work.

>>129988457
you're the one who hasn't made an argument. no one forced you to reply to me with an assertion unsupported by evidence but you've still not actually made any remarks that prove personal familiarity with Bruch's vocal works.

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has anyone gone through these organ arrangements of Bruckner's symphonies?

4th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9vbdP2kbjM&list=OLAK5uy_mt60s_kOex82r3f699WYYO51uSBIRdrww&index=31

I know we have some organ fans here.

8th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIM6Kag8fIo&list=OLAK5uy_mt60s_kOex82r3f699WYYO51uSBIRdrww&index=55

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For some reason in the mood for a hiss Tristan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuWe3muEf3g&list=OLAK5uy_mQC-mkD08uQ2lA3je9leHxFgvR2UjqWUw&index=1

Let's see how good this historically praised Vinay+Varnay duo is.

>>129985967
British "composers"?

No thanks. I prefer music.

>recording is an orchestra without a conductor
dismissed

>>129988018
>damn Andris Nelsons keeps busy
it's not really a good thing to be as mediocre as he is and release as many recordings as he does. just means that they don't really care about quality and will just pump out anything.
>>129988463
i usually go for Cortot, Sofronitsky (one of his few sonically good recordings), Arrau, or Richter if you must have stereo.

I'm not a fan of modernist, 20th century performers/pianists in general even though I still do listen to some of it, having strong preference for 19th century expressive high-skill performers, but lately I've began to totally resent Arrau. I've realized that he practically butchers everything he touches. As opposed to, for example, Richter, who's not the GOAT but mostly makes the music work.
Arrau is always slow, chordal, inexpressive, dynamically static and just boring. No recording of his is actually good, and yes I've listened to plenty. The only half-decent ones are perhaps slow Beethoven movements, even then, alternatives are much much better.

>>129989396
Hamelin is the GOAT. I'm not even sure if he's human.

>>129989396
*I*ve begun

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>>129988018
Who the fuck asked for a Nelson's Mahler cycle, of all people? Do something else for Christ's sake.

>>129989404
Not a huge fan of Hamelin but I'd rather listen to him than Arrau anyday.
>>129989407
Yeah, thanks.

you wanna hear a joke?

Russell's Lydian Chromatic Concept.

>>129987622
Fags are the one with the high suicide rates LMAO

>>129989487
To be fair, if I were a big-time conductor with access to the best orchestras, I'd record all the staples too. He already has done Beethoven, Bruckner, Shostakovich, Mendelssohn. You gotta do Mahler at some point.

>>129990204
The K-God didn't do much Mahler, y'know?

>>129990204
He's a spineless wimp, I don't see him doing Mahler well

>>129989396
>Arrau is always slow
not always
>dynamically static
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH81e53uhDI
i don't think i've ever heard the dotted rhythms so dynamically put forth in a contemporary recording

>>129985875
Behrens and Kollo are just not good

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Berliozjak...

Talking (Endlessly) About The MET's New Tristan And The Demise Of Western Culture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yRhHrXMZNA

>>129989396
To each their own. I love Arrau but as I always say, this is why we have a diversity of performers and recordings, because people enjoy different things and envision the music interpreted in distinct ideal ways. Arrau is certainly polarizing, and is not definitely not a pianist I'd recommend to someone just starting out, for example. If you're looking for someone to make the music sing, he is not your man.

>>129990235
I revisit Nelsons' recordings from time-to-time in hopes they might finally click and I'll see what all the hype and acclaim is about, but they never do. At most I've raised some of his recordings from dreadful to tolerable or mediocre in my mental ratings.

>>129990217
Everything else though! I wonder if he simply didn't like Mahler outside of the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 9th, or didn't feel like he had anything unique to say about the rest.

Or did he leave Mahler to Bernstein like Bernstein left Bruckner to Karajan? There's a nice symmetry there.

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For me, it's Gundula Janowitz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n0IqO0OMls&list=OLAK5uy_mfpKejSc8IOqylPzM1LU2MgjfdLt5ZFfc&index=53

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any suggestions what album cover I should hang up next to my framed poster of Sofronitsky's Scriabin Recital?

>>129979358
Max Reger

>>129979358
Berlioz

>>129990718
that's autist-core, as in only an autist has actually gone through enough of Reger's music to consider themselves a serious fan

>>129990741
tru

Les Schizoens

Reger

https://youtu.be/9ZLGOIa6JMk

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So is there no recording available of Stockhausen's opera Licht or what's the deal? Save myself 29 hours I guess if not.

>>129983018
AI cover art should be banned from classical

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>>129991037
okay, so after some cursory reading, turns out the deal is he bought back his own rights, and the only way to get his music is from buying the CDs from his website, listed at $30 a pop! at least the covers are dope in an outsider art way

pic is CD #54, which contains the 4th Scene from WEDNESDAY from LIGHT. you can see more here
https://www.stockhausencds.com

Shame the covers are so small. Probably on purpose to force you to purchase it if you wanna see it lol. They are very cool though, and I recommend peeping this page just to take a look at them.

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this one is MONDAY from LIGHT

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and one more, 1st Scene from SUNDAY from LIGHT

>>129991048
AI? It's a Van Gogh!

>>129991037
You can find the whole thing on rutracker but only as mp3 as far as I'm aware.

why would anyone wilingly listen to Stockhausen?

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>>129991514
Licht/Light just sounds like a cool work.

https://operascribe.com/2025/02/19/299-licht-stockhausen/

>Licht is the most extraordinary operatic project ever conceived: a 29-hour cosmological cycle written by modern music’s answer to Ziggy Stardust: an extraterrestrial guru (from a small planet somewhere in the vicinity of Sirius, or possibly western Germany) who wanted to usher in a new age of peace and harmony through music. Wagner’s Ring isn’t even on the same page. Its only rival for sheer grandiosity is Scriabin’s attempt to end the world.

>Stockhausen (1928–2007) has been called one of the most important composers in Western music: “the father of electronic music”, he was a pioneering technician who “invented new sounds and new ways of putting sounds together”: previously unheard-of textures, layers of sound, and surround sound.1 Stockhausen started as a strict serialist in the Boulez manner, but his music was revolutionary; where Boulez and co. stayed in the ivory tower, arranging numbers on graph paper, patting themselves on the back for their soulless precision, Stockhausen built a rocket ship and invited listeners along for the ride: “Are these guys boring you? Why don’t you talk to me instead? I’m from a different planet.”

>His electronic soundscapes were hypnotic and otherworldly, evoking cosmic landscapes beyond the void and untravelled vistas of sound at the edges of perception... The creation of Licht occupied the last three decades of Stockhausen’s life...

>I shan’t even attempt to review Licht; I’ve listened to much of the music — the ambient soundscapes, the rhythmic chanting, the army of modulators and synths, the choruses in world languages and made-up ones, the kookaburras, splashing water and barking dogs, invocations of goddesses, “Invasion-Explosions”, the Greetings, Dances and Farewells. It is wild, out-there stuff.

He clearly put a lot of work into it. And I like the idea of an opera cycle.

>>129991514
So you can say that you've done it.

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>>129990705
Scriabin Recital's darker, fucked up brother, obviously.

>>129991577
idk that one looks like I'm framing a large picture of my (great)grandfather before he went to war

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KNEEL

>>129991628
*spits*

>>129990705
What's so good about this recording. I just don't get it

For me it's Scelsi

>>129992304
Nothing at all. Sofronitsky is a terrible pianist.

>>129992345
Agreed, and the sound isn't good.

>>129992345
>>129992397
Bait or retardation call it

>>129992304
If it doesn't click for you as soon as the very first notes of Étude in F sharp minor, Op. 8 No. 2 begin, well, anon, I don't know what I can say to help you. As for why the recording is a big deal, I probably wouldn't be here replying to you at all without it; that is, it got me into classical.

>>129992345
I bet you listen to Hamelin.

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speaking of Scriabin recitals, now playing

start of Scriabin: Preludes (selected)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VhDbHyDrWw&list=OLAK5uy_m897cBa0MturbzR5XVTWKNl9cHmOqNRlo&index=2

start of Scriabin: Sonata No. 2 in G-Flat Minor ("Sonata-Fantasy") , Op. 19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wT_QGZM7pw&list=OLAK5uy_m897cBa0MturbzR5XVTWKNl9cHmOqNRlo&index=26

start of Scriabin: Etudes (selected)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OmotQvH3BI&list=OLAK5uy_m897cBa0MturbzR5XVTWKNl9cHmOqNRlo&index=28

Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 5, Op. 53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh4NFPko1eQ&list=OLAK5uy_m897cBa0MturbzR5XVTWKNl9cHmOqNRlo&index=34

Scriabin: Sonata No. 9, Op. 68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in4qPEqnCww&list=OLAK5uy_m897cBa0MturbzR5XVTWKNl9cHmOqNRlo&index=35

Scriabin: Poème, Op. 32, No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8T3Cc4CQpo&list=OLAK5uy_m897cBa0MturbzR5XVTWKNl9cHmOqNRlo&index=35

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m897cBa0MturbzR5XVTWKNl9cHmOqNRlo

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>Zwangvolle Plage! Muh ohne Zweck!

so the mime was a commie the whole time, who knew

>>129992661
Regietheater is a plague upon this earth.

>>129991628
He's pointing at us

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>>129992671
woodbird: the forces of modernism and regietheater
siegfried: traditionalism and you

>>129992690
The Vienna Underground

I wish I saw colors when I heard music

>>129992701
>>129992661
when I was a young boy I actually considered learning singing and getting into opera, and it was regietheater specifically that changed my mind
I wonder how many would-be singers were also nipped in the bud like that

>>129992730
Speaking completely out of my ass, I'm sure the trend will turn the other way at some point in our lifetimes. HIP opera production, essentially.

Has anyone here taken singing lessons? I've tried following along with some youtube tutorials, basically just doing warm-up exercises, singing scales and arpeggios, and I was suprised by how fast my voice was going hoarse.

Holy...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp386CtJTls

>>129992783
No, my hopes of learning to sing were dashed when my 4th grade music teacher rejected my audition to join the official after-school choir.

>>129985846
Listening to this right now, hadn't heard the art of fugue on anything other than keyboard instruments before. I gotta say, this is some DAMN good music.

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>>129992996
are all Scriabin fans retarded?

>that one guy who thinks he's hot shit because he listens to indie and 70s alternative
>"so, what music do you like anon?" he asked smugly, ready to pounce on my answer
>"classical :)"
>he quickly changed the subject

>>129993071
It is the string quartet of God.

>>129993098
In my experience, those types, after you answer classical, they usually go,
>"oh, I like some classical music too"
then quickly change the subject before you can ask what composers or pieces

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>Anything Argerich

>that one guy who thinks he's hot shit because he listens to CPE Bach and Messiaen
>"so, what composers do you like anon?" he asked smugly, ready to pounce on my answer
>"Lortzing and Jean-Louis Florentz :)"
>he quickly changed the subject

>"oh anon, I heard you're into classical, me too!"
>"really? what composers do you like?"
>"lately I've been listening to a lot of Beethoven and Mahler!"
>get excited because they might be for real, finally someone to talk music with
>"me too! what are your favorite recordings? for Beethoven's symphonies, lately I've been enjoying Blomstedt's newer cycle, and for Mahler, I finally got into the Gielen set I thought I'd forever hate with his objectivist approach, haha, but I've come to appreciate his sense of structure and balance
>they momentarily look nervous
>"oh I just click the first video that comes up on YouTube haha"
>I noticeably cringe for a moment, fortunately causing them to change the subject

>>129993162
I'd probably accuse you on the spot of making those names up, only for you to BTFO me when you pull them up on your phone, at which point I make up a hasty excuse and head for the exit, initially heading the wrong way as I can barely see or think from the shame, embarrassment, and public mogging

I confess: I do not care about the canons in Kunst der Fuge. They seem much more academical than the contrapuncti to me.

I confess: I do not care for the WTC.