>>2061283
I had a v50 special and a pks, they actually are shit. Aesthetics are great but anything else is a horrorshow.
You literally cant do 15km without some problems.

>>2061283
Superior to what, exactly? Little Suzy's tricycle?

>>2061292
> You literally cant do 15km without some problems.
You got a 50cc, what did you expect? 125/150cc is meant for driving around in your own city or any roads that are not highways. 300cc if you need to go on highways for some reason

>>2061297
Superior to bicycles, electric scooters, and motorcycles

>>2061307
>Superior to bicycles
People who use bikes are either poor as fuck or doing it for sport, your shitty vespa fits into neither category. It's too expensive and easy to steal for a hobo to own, and they don't provide any exercise, which is why I only ever see fat men riding them.
>superior to electric scooters
Not really, because you can't fold your shit up and store it inside your tiny shitty apartment like scooter owners do. Even if Vespas were superior to electric scooters, that's not much to brag about.
>superior to motorcycles
Not at all, Vespas are inferior in every single way except gas mileage, which is never an issue for motorcycles anyway. Motorcycles are more easily seen by other drivers, give the rider more protection, accelerate faster, have higher top speeds, have more cargo space, and women like them a lot more than fucking Vespas.
For the record, I drive a Porsche Cayenne and I own 1 bicycle for sport/exercise/fun. I don't even own a motorcycle, but you're full of shit if you think your pathetic little Vespa is better in any way.

>>2061283
i actually really wanted one of these when i was a kid. but then i got into russian motorcycles. then my interest in motorcycles waned until i got a shitty e-bike, and now i want the jankiest homemade e-bike that still goes 40kmh

already waiting for some stuff to come in to put a second hub motor on the shitty one i have now, slaved to the first. my spare ALL NATTY mtb will not be natty for long either, as soon as i have more tools and space I'm bolting a lawnmower engine and dryer motor to it to make the world's shittiest hybrid

>>2061324
electric scooters are gay, who the fuck wants to commute standing up

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>The Nazis loved Vespas
OK I'm sold

>italian anything

>>2061359
>uses the latin alphabet
>uses gregorian calendar
>eats pasta
it's too late, italians already got you

can you drift on a vespa

i would buy one if i can throw sparks from the shitty undercarriage negative banking that shit

>>2061370
No. You can skid a bit if you really try, but you're not drifting on a Vespa

>>2061370
>>2061371
I think you actually could using the same technique for drifting motorcycles, start by initiating a skid with the rear brake, position the rear so it's moving sideways, then crank the throttle. The initial skid breaks the traction so when the throttle goes on it doesn't need to fight the tire's traction. Vespas have automatic clutches though so I'm honestly not exactly sure if it'd work the same

>>2061369
>eats pasta

I'm going to get a Primavera 125cc. Now my only decision is do I buy one of the many used ones, or just buy new. The used ones don't save much money unless there's serious problems with them.

I know a fat chick who got one of these and she si very proud of herself

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>>2062638
This is the one

>>2062645
well they're not really made for americans. this should be a european thread

>>2062645
>>2062647
It makes no sense to drive them in America because America is made with long distances between things and lots of parking. Vespas solve the problem of intracity travel with little parking

>>2062638
>>2062646
Have you considered a Honda 125 scooter anon? You're probably from europe and let me say, my gf has a Primavera 50, sure the 125 has more power but whatever.
I tested the Honda PCX 125 and it was worlds better in every department.
The vespa only took the looks and slightly smaller statue but thats it.
Vespas are slightly overpriced compared to the competitors.

>>2062654
Well I just walked around my city (Bergamo, Italy) and looked at what people were using. I was actually expecting to see more Hondas and other Japanese vehicles, but out of 20 scooters I counted, 17 were Vespas, 2 were Hondas, and 1 was a nondescript Japanese looking bike. Honestly the Japanese bikes look more like toned down motorcycles.

>>2062662
Thats weird. I was a few times in Arco and the most scooters i saw were Hondas. Well i guess it honestly dont matter that much. Just get what you find more appealing. Why not the Vespa GTS 125? Got more Hp and looks a bit more grown up.

Vespas are a vanity item in my thirdie south american country
Hondas, however, are as common as grass, although the most common of all is the CG 150 and such traditional city motorcycles, scooters are also very common, specially with woman. The lowest of them is the Biz 125 and its copies, however Honda also offer the PCX which is almost a premium bike compared to a Vespa or Biz. The true GOAT however is the Burgman, true scooter supremacy

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>>2062718
Can you please explain what you mean that a GTS looks more grown up than a Primavera?

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>>2062798
>>2062654
>Hondas
I've been looking at what Honda offers, just so I don't leave any stone unturned and make sure I'd really be making the right choice getting a Vespa. I looked up that nationally in Italy for *new* registrations, Hondas outpace Vespas by a ton. In fact, Vespa isn't even Piaggio's most popular vehicle for new registrations, the Liberty is. However in Bergamo I can confirm that 80% of what I see on the road is Vespas. That being said, most Hondas and the Liberty don't appeal to me because 1. I prefer a low wheel, not a high wheel, and 2. a lot of high wheels look like toned down motorcycles, which don't appeal to me. If I wanted a motorcycle I would do that instead. That being said, if I did go with a Honda, I found the Honda I like most, a Super Club (pictured). (Though to be honest, I like it most because it most looks like a low wheel vespa.)

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>>2062718
>>2062808
I also decided that if the GTS had more underseat storage then I might be willing to go with it, but surprisingly it has less storage than a primavera

with Super Cup you can go anywhere you want!

>>2062815
Super Club is a 125cc just like a Vespa 125cc so they go the same places.

>>2062816
I'm only using it for intracity travel anyway so major highway travel is pointless for me.

>>2062809
vespas are overpriced because brand and honda "cub" bikes are overpriced because of boomer nostalgia. just get any similar moped and it will cost 1/10th as much and probably be 90% rebadged honda parts anyway

it's sorta like how civics got a reputation as cheap cars and now because everyone wants one they're no longer cheap

>>2062837
why would honda cubs appeal to boomers?

>>2062837
Vespas are ~5k and Hondas are ~4k. Idk why you guys are pushing Hondas like they're 10 cents or something. It's not a huge difference.

Most Honda scooters look to me like Axe body spray if it were a scooter.

>>2062839
nostalgia. i already told you that.
they used to be super cheap and are actually pretty ideal for their >USE CASE so everyone and their mom (who wasn't a larping harley owner) had one.

speaking of harleys, that's the same story: it started off as cheap milsurp bikes, they found a market, and now they charge what the market will bear now that their clientele are all rich boomers, poor boomers who do not fear debt, and cocaine magnates

Are scooters for poor people? I'm reading a lot of reviews where people call Vespas "expensive". Like bro if you think 5-6k is a lot of money then maybe you should get a job lol.

>>2062862
They're slow, noisy, and have the mileage of an SUV. For the price of a vespa you can get a real motorcycle that goes faster and gets better mileage. So yes, objectively, it is EXPENSIVE.

Also if you've met any people with real wealth you know that they complain like little bitches about getting their money's worth on the most trivial cheap things while not applying that same logic to stuff that regular people can't afford. It's how they try to look relatable, not all of them do it but it's a recurring pattern and the funny thing is all it does is make people cringe. So all you're telling us is that you didn't grow up around money, and you probably don't have much now either.

>>2062862
You can buy an entire fucking car for 6k (used thoughbeit) so yeah it's comparatively expensive.

>>2062863
>They're slow,
fair
>noisy,
I've been strongly considering getting an electric vespa (much quieter). Any thoughts? They have ones that go 40 km/hr and ones that go 75 km/hr. They are pricier though. I was comfortable spending up to 6k euros for Vespa + all gear (including trunk with seatback, helmet) but the 75 km/hr with all that would be about 8k euros, and charging it would be inconvenient since where I plan to park it at night doesn't have a charger, though I could put it somewhere else that does, or maybe rig something up.
>and have the mileage of an SUV.
Do you mean miles per gallon? Or engine lifetime in miles?
>For the price of a vespa you can get a real motorcycle that goes faster and gets better mileage.
I literally don't want a motorcycle though, or anything that looks like a motorcycle.
>So yes, objectively, it is EXPENSIVE.
>Also if you've met any people with real wealth you know that they complain like little bitches about getting their money's worth on the most trivial cheap things while not applying that same logic to stuff that regular people can't afford. It's how they try to look relatable, not all of them do it but it's a recurring pattern and the funny thing is all it does is make people cringe.
Agreed
>So all you're telling us is that you didn't grow up around money, and you probably don't have much now either.
Yeah I guess, I just have money allocated for something like this.

>>2062865
>You can buy an entire fucking car for 6k (used thoughbeit) so yeah it's comparatively expensive.
Sure but that kind of car is going to need a lot more maintenance. Also, if I'm going to buy something like that then I really hope a previous owner didn't smoke cigarettes in it because I am really sensitive to that.

>>2062862
they're called expensive because you can get a decent one for less than half the price.

>>2062869
*decent scooter from another manufacturer

>>2062870
>>2062869
Yes but almost all other scooters look like Axe body spray personified

>>2062871
same is true of all the jap motorcycles and everyone else copying them.

>>2062869
>>2062870
Although the modern lambrettas do look nice, but in the end they're just poor man's vespas. if I'm getting something that looks like a vespa, I'll just get a vespa

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OK I changed my mind. I'll get a GTS after all

>>2062912
Nice choice anon. Swap the mirrors with barend mirrors for a sportier look..
Let us know how you like it, topspeed, mileage,... im interested because i plan to get a 125cc scooter this year too.
Dont like generic reviewers on youtube and trust anons on here way more.

>>2062868
>Sure but that kind of car is going to need a lot more maintenance.
lil bro doesnt own a spanner or CVD machine

>>2061283
2010ish yamaha majesty's mog, hard

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>>2063364
Wow, less bad than most Yamahas because it looks a little less like Axe body spray and has low height wheels.

>>2063366
It’s still mostly axe body spray desu

>>2061283
It needs a license, registration, and fuel, and it's too large/heavy to be carried onto a train, up a building, wherever. Also noise and fumes. I'd rather just hop on and pedal away in near silence without ID, going as far as my legs can take me. Then chain the bike to a random post behind a bush somewhere.

This is an important thread. Fucking thing is an icon.

>>2065204
Finally someone culture on this board

are hybrid scooters based or no

do they have gears anymore or just cvt slop
t. 90s vespa clone owner

>>2061324
>Porsche Cayenne
do your parents know you're gay?

>>2061283
Mopeds have been completely obsoleted by e-bikes

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My 1984 Vespa PX125EFL.

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>>2065639
I think the only original parts are the actual frame, and the headset lower,

Everything else has either been tweaked or replaced.
1957 pattern tray and pillion pad
1961 single saddle
LML Stella vented side panels
Chrome headset upper
Chrome grips
Chrome horn cast
Lambretta GP/Jet front mudguard
6 inch extended steering column
Custom wiring loom due to indicator delete
28mm Del orto PBHB(?) carb
Simonini baffleless race pipe
Lightened flywheel
Race crank, can't recall maker
Polini 177 piston, barrel and head
Ducati coil
COSA clutch
T5 Classic primary and secondary gearing
Casing is opened and ported
No name adjustable shocks
Twin spotlights stolen from a caravan
Front and rear crash bars
Can't recall which tyres are on it, I think they're Pirellis, but might be Michelin.
EFL delete with long range self mix tank
Fast flow fuel tap
Caprelli side stand
Heavy duty centre stand
Everything done by me including the kinda shitty attempt at a paint job, was my first try to be honest.

>>2065639
if you removed the lights and meter why didn't you go with bare bars
what is that huge exhaust thingy

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>>2065653
Can't do bare bars on this model, the gear change is on the left hand grip.Theoretically I could have installed a foot change, but that defeats the purpose and I'd have been better off just getting a motorbike.

It's a Simonini race pipe,

>>2065655
what does it do
is it a whole new engine or what
what does fast fuel tap and light flywheel do
what kinda tooling do you have for it

>>2065640
this happened over years of upgrades or you bought the vespa and parts and did it all at once.
how do the parts add up compared to the cost of the bike?

>>2061292
You are gay and retarded. They are so fucking simple, so you really must be retarded to have problems with them.
The only potential reliability issue is the points ignition which you could upgrade to electronic if you're a bitch.
>>2065657
nta, but..
Makes things go fast.
It practically is.
Makes it possible for the engine to suck down the fuel it needs as opposed to sip it like the original engine would.
Light flywheel make it accelerate faster.
Tooling? You really only need a couple of special tools. There is a whole catalog of special tools but you can easily do without most.

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>>2065657
The exhaust? The expansion chamber, the bit painted black, allows the exhaust gases to cool and expand, this creates a partial vacuum so the engine sucks in much more fuel than a standard exhaust.

It's still the original engine casing, but 70 to 80% of the internals are either machined, polished, ported or new.

Because the exhaust is making the engine suck more fuel the fuel needs to flow much faster.

Lightened flywheel reduces inertia and makes the engine more responsive to throttle movement.

Tooling? Nothing special, screwdrivers, wrenches, big fuckin hammer

As for top speed, 80-85mph which on ten inch wheels and drum brakes is fast enough

>>2065678
I've had Vespas since 1981, yes i really am an old bastard. This was years of experience and my personal shopping list that I'd developed over that time. I wanted nippy and responsive but with dependability and a decentish top speed.

Parts we're really an issue as far as costs were concerned. I think the most expensive addition was the Polini kit which should have been over £350 but it was an order that had been sitting on a shelf for a while and I talked it down to £120. Most of the build was bought at various scooter rallies secondhand, some of the parts were gifted to me, the side stand and the chrome grips. The side panels came off a scooter my mate had painted and then placed them paint side down on a piece of carpet, the daft old bugger!! Painting cost me about £200 total, did all the prep and paint myself even though the last time I painted anything it was a 1/72 scale Lanaster when I was about 14.

This is how it looked when I bought it for £700

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>>2065717
>>2065683
it must also burn more fuel like that
that's the opposite of what i want
i do want to reduce engine noise though and make it so it's not a pain to go over a little rough terrain
by default the shocks are way too flexy
i want the instruments to work but the nylon gears keep giving out
also want to give this kinda aesthetic where the extra wheel is tastefully tilted along with the curve of the body

Just confirmed my order for a Vespa with my local dealer. A GTS Super 310 in Red with a matching topbox, backrest on the topbox, and a high windshield. I'm so psyched!

>>2065718
>it must also burn more fuel like that
Yeah, anything you do will basically increase fuel consumption and noise. Expansion chambers were actually originally design to increase fuel efficiency. Unburnt fuel goes into the exhaust due to the design of two stroke engines, and the expansion chamber pushes it back in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_chamber
Anything off the shelf would be designed to increase power (and make your engine rev higher), so not what you want. You could design and make your own...
>by default the shocks are way too flexy
There are tons of aftermarket options/upgrades.
>i want the instruments to work but the nylon gears keep giving out
Could be the gear in the hub or the cable causing it, it seems. It's an ancient shit design, but still, it shouldn't be breaking frequently.

My city needs you to get plates and insurance and shit for scooters, even if they're electric or 49cc. Even if the letter of the law says it's unnecessary, they look enough like the real thing that the cops will issue you the ticket anyway and no municipal judge will turn down the opportunity to liferuin you with additional charges for contesting it.

It's gotten bad enough that the new standard hood boomer mobile is a bicycle with a lawnmower engine bolted to it. I've seen at least one Princess Auto "minibike" in the wild already and those are 212cc. No plates. And one guy who took his fucking ATV on the urban "mixed-use" trail, too. Also no plates. (though he is so awful for it yet non-disruptive that it loops around into being based from the sheer audacity)

>>2065748
>no municipal judge will turn down the opportunity to liferuin you with additional charges for contesting it.
Really, in my city if you actually go through the hassle of trying to contest something a traffic cop does then you have a very high chance the fines and charges will be dropped because no one can be bothered because tickets are mostly a money making scheme for the government.

>>2065750
(cont'd)
that's why the ticket fees are low and automated by camera, basically they just hope it's not worth your time to context a 30 dollar fine, and they say if you pay it without contesting you won't get any points or anything so it's not a very serious thing.

>>2065750
>because no one can be bothered
this is fuddlore -- these days, standard doctrine and the issuing officer not having other infractions is taken as evidence itself

> because tickets are mostly a money making scheme for the government.
and hearing the case is a money making scheme for the individual judge, and his performance (not to mention the prosecution, who is representing the organization employing the judge) is measured by number of convictions.

this isn't a supreme court case. if in a municipal level case no one got shot, the defendant SHALL lose.

>>2065743
is there a fuel gauge mod can't tell the time i've taken it /out/ing and ran out of fuel in the mountains or elsewhere

>>2065780
I don't think so, unless whatever model you have came with it as an option or on later models. You would have to diy a solution. Probably better to just carry some extra fuel. Plenty of creative solutions for that, depending on what model you have.

>>2065780
Not a reliable one. That's why I have a long range tank, there's approx 50 miles when the engine dies of starvation. If you're fast enough you can turn the fuel tap as soon as the engine starts to splutter and 5 or 10 seconds later you're back up and running. If you're too slow then it's about 10 kicks to get fuel back through the carb.

When it had a standard tank there was no reserve, so I used an old wooden spoon marked in litres I used as a fuel dipstick.

And yeah, carry extra fuel, bulbs, cables, sparkplug and make sure the spare wheel is fully inflated before going anywhere on a Vespa.

>>2065718
If you can find an older small frame like a ET3 Primavera or a 150Super/Sport there's a really nice spare wheel mount that also houses the tail light

I’ve been searching Facebook marketplace for a cheap used Vespa in the U.S. but everything is some sketch fixer upper. The only decent used Vespas seem to have been snapped up by dealers and are selling close to factory new prices! So I think I’m just gonna buy one new :3

>>2065780
fuel quantity senders are cheap and widely available to hobbyists but can be difficult to install depending upon your means to access and re-seal the fuel tank. for such a slow, low-consequence application it might be easier to put a flow transducer on the fuel line and plug it in to an arduino or whatever

>>2065780
>this has been a 100% solved problem since the 1900s

>"Cyclists" need a whole ass computer and chinesium laser recombobulators that cost more than the vehicle it's going on for it

>>2065878
I could retard-rig a fuel sender from a potentiometer and a bobber for $10 or less. Floats are good enough for general aviation so they certainly good enough for the stuff under discussion itt

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>>2065874
>arduino

>>2065906
why would you use anything more sophisticated than an arduino to check the voltage on a simple pot-based sensor and dump it to your phone or a readout

>>2065909
idiot

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>>2061297
If you need something more homosexual than a bicycle, look no further.

>>2065932
im gay and understand tank floats. whats really hood now bitch

>>2065892
>for $10 or less.
24.99 for a mechanical model from a retailer known for scamming you when it's not on clearance (this same unit will be 1.99 once the shelf fills up)

https://www.princessauto.com/en/fuel-level-sending-unit/product/PA0004230157

>>2065985
Whatever floats your float.

>>2065780
Oh, another couple of things about a fuel gauge mod.

1: Where the fuck do you mount it? There's really nowhere on the headset for it.

2 : Fuck wiring looms in Vespas, like REALLY fuck wiring looms in Vespas. I'd need to rip out my current loom and instal a fresh new loom and believe me, fitting a wiring loom in a Vespa frame is a proper cunt of a job.

>>2065932
Aye, whatever, I've been hearing the same shite about scooters since 1981, at least come up with something original

You try riding at 70mph on a vehicle that is inherently lopsided and unstable, on 10 inch wheels and drum brakes.

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>>2066048
>>2066048
idk anything about vespa head units but picrel will solve over 100% of your problems with any vehicle, computer, marriage, anything

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>>2066049
My first was more this. Add lightness and...
Well it could hit 40mph.

>>2066083
Having been on various two wheeled vehicles going 40mph I can assure you that this never exceeded 12mph and that only for brief, terrifying moments

>>2066083
people will call this SOVL but then besmirch e-bike conversion kits

>>2066078
no get real tools

>>2066130
i do have real-ish (hand) tools but dremels are a meme for a reason. they are inappropriate for most use cases but will get the job done at all in all of them.

>>2066083
How bad does it reflect on me as a /n/egro that I would absolutely LOVE to ride that, and I hate how shit UK laws are for small mopeds.
>>2066097
This is SOVL as fuck, my issue with e-bike kits is usually retards having poor cable management and motor choices.

>>2066203
>How bad does it reflect on me as a /n/egro that I would absolutely LOVE to ride that

it looks fun as hell but it belongs in silly pumptrack/skate park videos not on the road or mup

>>2066203
>>2066203
>my issue with e-bike kits is usually retards having poor cable management and motor choices.
you would hate my bike; i stole a bunch of those velcro straps to tie everything down properly but the controller is just in a crappy seat bag thingy and the cables go through the zipper instead of the dedicated Cabling Port For You're Headphones + USB's because the fittings for the motor and throttle were too big to fit through said port

if you can believe it, when i bought it used off of some boomer in the first place, it was even worse; the cabling was all into a repurposed fanny pack bro cut an X into to slide cables through, and just tied the fanny pack straps together instead of using the toggle-locks and clipping it together. also the battery was attached to the side of the rear rack with no bottom support for some reason

>>2066217
Ooooh that's making me mad thinking about it, pics?

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>>2066083
>no triangle frame
anyway here's something that's not for toddlers

>>2066262
no because i aint doxxing myself also the most egregious bits from the previous owner have already been rectified