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I am 37 and got fired from my tech job of 16 years over something stupid. My product manager was mad about it and promises to be a great reference in looking for a new job and I have a security clearance which is very valuable. All that plus my experience I think I can get another similar job pretty easily. However I am tired of tech. I own ~$700k of company stock that I will receive in a year and a half. Tell me how stupid of a plan this is.
>sell house for ~$300k profit
>use house profit to rent an apartment and pay for flight school
>in 1.5 years be probably making peanuts as CFI but can buy a house cash
>in a few years be making big bucks again as commercial pilot
I also have about $100k of crypto that can be leveraged if need be. Why the hell not?
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Go LARP on /biz/.
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>>2065286
Kek well I guess it can't be too terrible a plan if people don't believe it
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>>2065287
No people just think you're a loser and this has nothing to due with transportation its a blog post. Probably a good idea to get out of tech though all you code bots have been replaced.
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>>2065283
>>in 1.5 years be probably making peanuts as CFI but can buy a house cash
So your plan is to go straight from flight school to being an instructor at a flight school, and only AFTER that get actual commercial transport hours?

techbros and code monkeys truly are stupid
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>>2065292
Thanks y-you too. I thought this was the board with all the pilots.

>>2065294
What is the fastest route? Even if the flying costs more it may be cheaper to spend less time hemorrhaging money.
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>>2065292
op samefagging, no one says this board is about "transportation", they would say it is about bikes/trains/urbanism/vehicles that aren't /o/
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>>2065283
>I have about a million dollars of at least semi-liquid assets, but omg i am panicking!!!
I heard from a tik tok that pilots make super mega bank and fuck twink stewards all day, how do I get this money????
bizarre LARP but I will not besmirch a man for dreaming
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>>2065299
I am sitting pretty comfy and considering a complete career change. Just wondering how other anons did the pilot thing and wondering if it's a terrible idea.
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>>2065301
You know what PLANE stands for, right? Bust Out Another Thou, hehehe.
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>>2065302
From what I have read it is about $100k to get into actually making money flying. Not counting living expenses. I think I can swing it.
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Its seriously unbelievable how faggots who work in tech literally do nothing but brag about how much money they have even when its completely irrelevant. Literally all of them. This is a board about transportation and you needed to come in to blog post about your tech job, your million dollars in company stock, how many hundreds of thousands of dollars youll make selling your house how you'll buy another house in cash, and your $100,000 in crypto. And of course needing to mention how you want to make a ton of money as a pilot too.

You don't even have a question that relates to this board. Apparently you're asking about flight school, but there's no question behind it, and you used to to blogpost bragging about being a millionaire

I hope you die very early of a painful cancer so all the money you brag incessantly about can never be enjoyed by you and you take your last breaths at 45 alone in a hospital bed looking at your portfolio number and smiling.
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>>2065348
I also have a wife and 3 kids. I do not believe the weird issue some people have about never discussing money is helpful. I gave the financial situation because becoming a pilot is retard expensive. An amount that seemed insurmountable when I was a high school kid thinking about future careers. Money is absolutely relevant. Perhaps even the most relevant thing. Every pilot here started with a decent nest egg I guarantee you that.
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>>2065352
Please tell me what your $700,000 in tech stock has to do with becoming a pilot. Please tell me what your $300,000 profit from selling your house (which makes no sense since you have "a wife and 3 kids" so why would you just sell your house) has to do with becoming a pilot. Please tell me what your $100,000 in crypto has to do with becoming a pilot.

None of it has anything to do with becoming a pilot. So what's your question here exactly? That it costs a lot of money to go to flight school or something? So then cash out your crypto and pay for flight school. Obviously it won't even make a dent in your millions you have already set aside, and then once you become a pilot, you'll be making your big bucks and make that money back quickly anyway.

Take your 16 years of tech experience where you have never produced anything that has made a single quantifiable positive impact on society, go become a rich pilot, and never post here again.
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>>2065353
It is a big dent that will set back retirement for years and you don't make good money for a pretty long while. Purely monetarily this makes no sense, I am considering it because it's cool, a childhood dream, and I'm tired of killing my soul sitting in front of a screen all day every day. Selling the house is not the only course, I could simply work somewhere else for 1.5 years too, but that's 1.5 more years of screen waging and there is a max age for commercial pilots that limits how much seniority I will be able to get. Sorry to cause so much seethe I guess geeze dude.
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>>2065353 Anon on the left
>>2065357 Anon on the right
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>>2065357
Cool man. I'll humor your fake larp story, like any genius rich tech employee married with 3 kids would be stupid enough to come to a 4chan board and an extremely slow one at that to ask them about a major life decision

Cash out your crypto and use your product manager's great reference for a new job (another extremely relevant and important detail to mention in this story about becoming a pilot, along with your millions you already have and are coming to you) and go become a pilot. Then never post here again, and hopefully you'll die in a plane crash sometime in your 40s and the world will be rid of another autistic insufferable tech employee who has never positively contributed to society and has nothing in their lives except watching their net worth number go up. While you're at it, go check out all the AI commercials that aired in the Super Bowl so you can watch how your gay ass industry is continuing to ruin society and destroy the future of humanity. But as long as all you tech pieces of shit get your money, you couldn't give less of a shit of how much of a plague you have been to society.
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>>2065361
I ask 4chan about all my major life decisions. You don't?
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>>2065294
Congrats, you don't know shit about flying. Flight instruct for 2 years before posting.
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>>2065348
holy based. tech bro faggots need to fucking die out as a species, now
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>>2065283
another tech worker here. I wanted to become a (commericial) pilot ever since I was like 8 years old, but I realized something as of late: I only learned how to drive a car and got my driving loicense about 2 months ago, at age 30+. it's not that difficult, but if you want to learn it proper, the technical stuff is kinda hard, and IMO that knowledge should be require. it's a lot of knowledge, though, which also requieres patience and responsibility (you can kill someone very easily with a 1+ ton car). it took me a while to get used to the car, and I still have a hard time managing things (like the fucking clutch).
after this, I can't imagine myself becoming a pilot. might be a "me" thing but, if getting used to this shit has been kinda hard for me, I can't imagine how hard would it be for me to become a pilot at my age. and that means I wouldn't put myself, and especially others, in such a risky situation. and I don't have a wife or kids.

my point isn't to tell you not to do this, but to be realistic and honest with yourself. also, do the math to see if you and your family would survive if you tried hard and, for whatever reason, your plan failed.

maybe you could have multiple plans, A, B, C, D... where A is "becoming a commercial pilot". like, instead, or in parallel with your plan, maybe you could find ways to apply your knowledge of tech to flying, planes, the industry in general or whatever. meet people, network a bit, find interesting stuff to do, then sell products, idk.
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>>2065505
Thanks for a real response man. I'm not too worried about that kinda thing though, I've been driving racecars and motorcycles pretty much my entire adult life. Janky fiberglass and steel frame death traps going much faster than man was meant to go is right up my alley. Met with a pilot buddy of mine last night, he gave me a good rundown of everything I need to know and promised to take me up in a cessna.

I've been applying to normal software jobs in the meantime too, may as well make some money for now but even if I get one I think I'll quit when june 2027 hits.
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>>2065514
>Met with a pilot buddy of mine last night, he gave me a good rundown of everything I need to know and promised to take me up in a cessna.
So let me get this straight: You have a friend who is a pilot who you can trust and can answer every question for you in person, and you still decided to come make a thread on 4chan, one that mostly existed to brag about how rich you are. AND you also still needed to finish this post by talking about still applying for software jobs to get more money. You're a real piece of work anon.
>>2065438
>holy based. tech bro faggots need to fucking die out as a species, now
I can say with full honesty that they're the worst segment of employees in the world. Their jobs are completely and utterly meaningless, they are little more than people there to steal your data and sell you shit. The tech industry has been a net negative on society. But the huge salaries they earn, completely undeserved, and the rest of their compensation (which are the only things they have to talk about) give them these massive egos thinking that they're actually doing important work.
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>>2065283
First you're not going to get to CFI in a year especially with how fucked up the DPE system is. Next engineers tend to be the most retarded behind the yoke because they cant just do they overthink just about every aspect. Next the market is oversaturated with CFIs so finding a job will be net to impossible (This may improve in the coming years but most likely will not) \. next most reginals are only hiring cadets from target schools (most of the time its upper level collegiate programs not just goy mills like ATP).

Stick with you day job bud, were full.
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>>2065523
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>>2065361
>>2065353
Why are you so poor?
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>>2065523
Buddy says you're basically a shoe in as a CFI at the school he teaches at if you train there so long as you don't suck, but you can also teach part 61 it'll just be a slower route. I don't have a guy actually flying for a regional yet but given that the school he's at is the only part 141 in the area I expect prospects to be fairly good. I'm also open to moving if need be, wife's twin sister lives in Colorado and we have family in a few other states.
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>>2065542
I also told my friends that and then the market flipped nothing is guaranteed
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>>2065525
I wake up everyday and work you dream job, you sit at a desk you kike jeet
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>>2065577
You don't even make big TC at FAANG. Do you sell crack or something?
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>>2065596
2/3rds of your pay is equity all of mine is cash smd faggot. Also RJ captain, you will never make it jeet.
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You should fly for a hobby first and then make a career switch. You are at least 5-7 years away from regional metal and then another 5-10 years out from legacy metal. That first 5-7 years you will make nothing if you even make it that far.

In your way are: medical issues, weather, maintenance, check ride failures, economic tides, geopolitical events, oil prices, supply chain issues affect airplane / engine manufacturers, etc all of which can easily fuck over your second career. If you make is to commercial pilot, you'll need to either CFI for peanuts or take some shitty pipeline job (which your tech bro buddies will automate away with drones). During that time anything can also fuck you over like a pilot deviation or an aviation accident / incident. 1500TT means nothing anymore. Better think more along the lines of 2500TT and plenty of multi time in that mix. It's not for the faint of heart and you must love aviation and think of doing nothing else other than aviation to make it work. Having family will definitely make it harder.
>t. 37 year old with a CJO that did this for the last 5 years.
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>>2065680
I've heard a lot of the same, though the people I have talked to say 1500TT is still the gold standard. I know it will be very challenging, particularly the period of time training and making peanuts as CFI. I think I am now in an economic position where this is actually possible though. I can almost coast on the money I have indefinitely, heck I could do it if I was a single man. Economic tides and geopolitical events can easily fuck over a career in software development too, just go over to /g/ and see how many junior devs are complaining about the lack of entry level jobs. Health is an issue I have considered, I'm still in perfect health and lead a healthy lifestyle but as a certified unc you never know when things could go south. I still believe it is worth pursuing though, and this is probably the only time in my life where it's actually possible.
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>>2065686
1500TT is not the "gold standard." There was a 2 year window when it was but it's not anymore. Everyone I know that got hired was 2000-2500TT and had good resumes with 0 check ride failures. Those that got hired had a good amount (100+ hours) of multi-time. Those that did get CJOs are waiting 6-12 months to get a class date. By time I go, I'll be closer to 2500TT. And you cannot just stop flying either once you hit 1500 because some airlines will want you to keep grinding and have recency.
>very challenging, particularly the period of time training
You won't know this until you are doing it. Your two biggest challenges will be finding a good CFI who won't rip you off and/or provide shitty instruction and finding a decent, fair DPE.
>and making peanuts as CFI.
It's not just the low pay. It's the unpredictability of the weather. Working in hot, humid conditions in the summer and cold weather in the winter. Having flight cancel due to IFR conditions and sitting around all day trying to get a flight in.
It's shithead students who don't prepare or cancel on you last minute or generally suck at flying. And if you suck as an instructor, you won't get students or will get canned.
It's flying shitbox airplanes that have 30-40000 hours on the airframe and have engines that are 50 hours away from being scrapped while management or maintenance suggests doing hip pocket write ups or pressuring you into making a flight after the engine had a partial failure and they couldn't duplicate that on the ground. I sure as shit don't enjoy doing 8s on pylons back-to-back-to-back all day long in an airplane like that.
I haven't had a vacation in 2 years and work 7 days a week to get my hours and my pay. All the other instructors I know hustling to the airlines have done the same thing.
>certified unc
don't talk like a nigger faggot.
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>>2065698
Still sounds cool to me. School racecars are the same way, absolute hoopties. And instead of canceling for weather you go out anyway. Once I drove in 120 degree heat. The cars kept vapor locking leaving us stuck out on track, in full nomex, in a hot car, waiting for a flat tow. On the way home I waited 8 hours at the tiny airport because it was too hot for the jet. Another time I drove in a goddamn hurricane. Standing water across multiple sections of track, just point the car and hope you come out straight. Couldn't see shit except the rain light on the gearbox of the car in front of me and brake marker flags in peripheral vision, drove half from memory.

At least with airplanes you have a roof and a reasonable expectation of being net positive on money someday.
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>>2065716
Flying airplanes is nothing like driving a car.
I will 100% be net negative on money at the end of the day. I just love aviation and flying airplanes. That's why I am still going into work today to fly around in a 152 with some retard student for pattern work.
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>>2065731
You only lose money because you're a poorfag who doesn't understand the value of a Dollar. If you were smart like OP you would be making huge TC if you really had a plane license.
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>>2065745
He's in the CFI work phase. You only get to bill for hours actually doing shit and due to student scheduling/weather there's a lot of down time where you just hang out at the airport and can't bill for it. If you don't have aggressive scheduling I could see how you could be in a losing money overall situation due to living costs.
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>>2065745
>>2065747
I meant overall lifetime earnings.
I had a good career prior to switch careers. I didn't care about money though because it means nothing if you are miserable and unhealthy.
I love flying and cannot see myself doing anything else going forward. Airline money is nice but it's not the primary motivating factor in being a pilot. If you are solely seeking money, aviation is not it.
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>>2065759
Obviously
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>>2065283
That's fucking retarded. Get another SWE job and just fly for fun on weekends. You can buy half of a Cirrus Vision Jet for $1.5 million. And with 16 YoE you can probably easily land a $500k a year SWE job.
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>>2065761
>ou can buy half of a Cirrus Vision Jet for $1.5 million.
You can literally buy a demilitarized MiG-21 for 63k. Any techbro claiming to make so much and not being able to fly is simply larping.
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No manual will tell you how to fight this battle. Now we find out who's number one.

Flying around with ideals in your head is going to get you killed.
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That's the deal you made, right? Where will you turn to? Where will you go? We both know how this ends. Fire away, coward.
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>>2065716
I know exactly who
>>2065731
>>2065698
is
no one wants to hire him because hes a shit head that hates teaching hes been canned by two other schools and acts like a complete ass. I know a freshly minted CFII that got scooped up by FEDex imediately. In this industry you have to have people skills too since they want a CAPTAIN
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I am in instrument training right now, also to do it as a profession eventually. I pretty much have nothing else in my life and no other skills, so this is necessary for me. If I had 700k and other actual skills, Im not sure I would have the resilience to get through what being a student is like. Id probably say fuck this and go back to my previous life.

With that said, in my short time so far in aviation world, complaining is the favorite thing of a pilot and yet there is literally nothing else you want to do once you get good at it. 37 years old is getting up there in terms of...if you have yet another day of shitty day of pattern work in 100 degree weather, you have to really determine if you have the kind of personality who is going to stubbornly show up the next day and be able to handle your CFI putting you under the microscope. I dont regret it, but like I said its all I have in life.
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>>2065283
Didn't read the thread. Sounds like a good plan OP but keep in mind it takes about 10 years on average to make north of $200k in this career.
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>>2065348
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