>Trump can win only be cheating
Classic

>>1489148
>"I have searched the depths of Legal Arguments not yet articulated or vetted on this subject, and will be presenting an irrefutable one in the very near future!," Trump said on Truth Social.
I love how easy it is to tell when Trump's not writing his own tweets.

Translation:
>There's no way in fuck we're getting the votes we need to pass this in the Senate so I'm going to waste more court time and taxpayer money to save face
Also, will he be presenting this "irrefutable" argument before or after he presents the irrefutable evidence the 2020 election was stolen that he claimed to have back in 2023 but has yet to release because reasons?

>A Large, Complex, Detailed but Irrefutable REPORT on the Presidential Election Fraud which took place in Georgia is almost complete & will be presented by me at a major News Conference at 11:00 A.M. on Monday of next week in Bedminster, New Jersey. Based on the results of this CONCLUSIVE Report, all charges should be dropped against me & others - There will be a complete EXONERATION! They never went after those that Rigged the Election. They only went after those that fought to find the RIGGERS!
-Donald Trump, August 15th 2023

>>1489149
>requiring voter ID is cheating
???

>>1489157
Saying "I'm not even going to bother with Congress, I'm just going to unilaterally change national rules on voting in violation of the Constitution" is cheating, yes

>>1489158
also the whole part where they deliberately waited until election deadlines started passing, instead of doing this last year
they've always been blatantly transparent when trying to make these changes at the last minute

>>1489156
Anyone with eyes can see that the 2020 election was stolen. Poll watchers refused to leave for after hours counting in 2024, so they couldn't wheel in crates of Kamala votes or maybe they just didn't even care if she won and didn't even bother like they did in 2020.

>>1489162
Yes this. And because the courts are corrupt and requested verifiable evidence (which is cheating) the 2020 steal will be memoryholed.

>>1489158
I forgot, only Biden is allowed to use executive orders that bypass congress.

>>1489148
Who the fuck cares what this old man thinks when the Constitution and the United States Code give him no room to do anything?
>>1489164
This isn't just Congress. He's trying to bypass the Constitution. States run elections, not the president. You don't just get to say 'yeah but I'm the president, what I say goes' to the Constitution.

>>1489170
Sounds like someone doesn't have an ID... Illegal!

It's funny how the US is the only country on the planet where needing an ID to vote is somehow controversial. Everywhere else, every single other country that holds election, requires it.

>just get an ID!
An ID isn’t enough in most states. That’s the problem.

>>1489164
>Whatabout
Nice try vatnik

>>1489158
It seems to me like this is a negotiating tactic to make Congress move forward on a bill. Pressuring Senate republicans to approve voter ID

>>1489177
Because Republicans have always used it for voter suppression.
https://assets.aclu.org/live/uploads/document/aclu_voter_id_fact_sheet_-_final__1_.pdf

If you were given an ID for for free and had it mailed to you, it would be more acceptable.

>>1489177
Other countries that require it also have a form of national identity card accepted universally that EVERYONE gets and is expected to have. Not a driver's license, not a social security card, not a passport. America is trying to do this while not having any sort of national ID. Not only that, most forms of ID that people actually have in the US are not only incapable of proving citizenship, but have been made harder and harder to get by the same people pushing for voter ID laws. They can claim it's about security and preventing fraud, but we can tell it's just to prevent poor people, young people and minorities from voting.

>>1489177
If IDs are mandatory make them free and easy to get

>>1489157
requiring voter ID is one of a series of ongoing republican efforts to ratfuck the midterms, yes.
>gerrymandering
>removal of democrats from voter rolls
>republican donors buying voting machine corps.
>but sure, let's discuss a republican voter ID bill as though it's good faith legislation
no.

>>1489187
the aclu are basically terrorists

>>1489191
Not an argument

>>1489188
I used to work in a library and literally every single person, including kids and crackheads, were able to present an ID

so cram it

>>1489170
>States run elections, not the president. You don't just get to say 'yeah but I'm the president, what I say goes' to the Constitution.
Like when Biden did with EO 14019? Let me guess, that was (D)ifferent.

>>1489190
Don't act as if Gerrymandering is a one party issue. California's Prop 50 is a gerrymandering attempt.
Look at Maryland's 3rd District. Illinois's 4th District. These are democrat states with gerrymandered districts

>>1489193
Not an ID that verifies their citizenship, dumbass.

>>1489195
republicans don't think you should vote unless you're a southern baptist patriarch who listens to their pastor. hence, they are a threat to democracy.

>>1489190
>>gerrymandering
>It's only okay when WE do it!

>>1489198
I would be content if the popular vote won elections hbu?

>>1489195
Prop 50 is a gerrymandering attempt in response to Republicans gerrymandering Texas.

>>1489186
But they know he can't actually do this, so that doesn't make sense
And if he's speaking to his idiot base and making them think he can just do this, that's actually taking pressure off of Congress

>>1489203
Can you explain how Democrats have 14 out of 17 seats in Illinois when Republicans have 40% of the vote in the state?
How do they justify that gerrymandering?

>>1489206
Oh, I don’t think gerrymandering is good either way. It should be illegal.

>>1489203
>w-well they did it first!
>conveniently forgets all the times democrats have done it over the last 30 years

>>1489208
popular vote it is then?

>>1489210
No that’s cheating. Farmers need more representation than cityfolk because they’re more equal

>>1489210
Sure why not? It's not like Chicago doesn't already dictate everything for the entire state of Illinois. Let's just have C(r)ook county pass all of our laws and taxes - oh wait, why is everyone leaving this state?

>>1489211
>workers for farming conglomerate inc.
perhaps they should join a union?

Its never going to happen. Ever. The states hold the elections. And he will never ever hold any power over them. Thank God the GOP are so afraid of killing the filibuster because they know the EXACT MOMENT they let that shit through, we're getting universal healthcare the moment blue wins again and they know it.

So fuck off to that one bootlicker who's going to say otherwise.

>>1489208
When have the Democrats ever forced a gerrymander without the approval of their constituents? Texas literally bypassed the will of their people by doing that. California did not.

>>1489216
Illinois.

>>1489217
Why do I ever bother to expect an honest answer from you people

>>1489218
>When have we done X?
>Here's X.
>THAT DON'T COUNT REEEEEEEEEEE

>>1489217
I'm conflicted about depopulating (or at least disenfranchising) Chicago. On one hand, it gave us vile neoliberal economists, on the other some really pretty good music (tbqhwyfam). Perhaps the solution here is to divest ourselves of the economists specifically, to the benefit of both town and country?

>>1489212
>If you tax the rich they'll leave!
Wrong
https://wbjournal.com/article/report-millionaire-tax-not-causing-ultra-wealthy-to-flee-state/

>>1489216
>Texas literally bypassed the will of their people by doing that.
Texas drew its map based on what the State Legislature wanted. The State Legislature is composed of people who are elected by the people. Hence, it is the will of the people.

This is how representative democracies work. You fucking imbecile.

>>1489216
>When have the Democrats ever forced a gerrymander without the approval of their constituents?
Virginia.

>>1489243
>Actually thinking people will fall for this here.

>>1489247
>thinking people would understand basic civics
My mistake.

>>1489247
No, it's legit. Maybe you should read a little.

>>1489248
>>1489254
>One minute apart
>Samefagging now

>>1489259
>Regular fagging intensifies
Never right, always wrong. Die of AIDS already.

>>1489264
>Admits to samefagging
>And now threats
LOL

>>1489265
AIDS meds make you unable to understand basic English?

>>1489267
>Samefag getting outted make him seethe even more

>>1489246
Virginia literally is going to be holding a special election so people can vote on redristicting. Try again.

>>1489235
https://coastalmovingservices.com/city-state-guides/states-ranked-by-highest-number-of-people-leaving-2025/
Nice try strawmanning my argument to mean 'only the rich are leaving'.

>>1489282
>People
>Not millionaires
Nice goalpost moving.

Also once the red states get cut off from their welfare, you'll see everyone flee from those states.

>>1489221
Chicago can't make good music if they become their own 'city-state' left alone to manage their own county on the condition that they stop controlling the remaining 99% of the state that despises them?

>>1489283
>Mass-exodus from my favorite blue state doesn't count because they're not all millionaires!
I thought dems were the party that cared about poor people and not rich donors?

>>1489300
>Still moving the goalposts
You concession is accepted about taxation.
No wonder trump and republicans need to cheat with voter suppression and gerrymandering to win.
Assuming they don't just openly rig the next election

Fun Fact: states require a photo ID to vote in person. They always have. This has never changed.

But go on and believe the bullshit so you can stay angry.

>>1489450
Some do, AND there's a weird thing about those states...

The states below require a photo ID, according to Ballotpedia:
https://fox59.com/news/national-world/which-states-do-not-require-an-id-to-vote-in-person/
Alabama
Arkansas
Florida: The ID also needs to have a signature on it
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa: Another registered voter could, however, attest to the voter’s identity, if they do not have an ID with them
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Nebraska
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Wisconsin

>>1489177
Shut the fuck up you retard, you don't know jack for shit. Australia has one of the most well-thought-out electoral systems in the world and ID is absolutely not required at any point.

>>1489471
So what happens if I show up and say I am John Smith, my neighbour, because I know he is out of the country on vacation?
What's to stop me from voting on his behalf if I don't have to present ID?

>>1489450
The problem is that most of the IDs don't actually say "US citizen" anywhere on them, and permanent residents or other visa holders who definitely can't vote are able to get identical ones. So the ID alone is not a document which proves citizenship. Birth certificates do, but nobody changes their birth certificate to match their ID when their name changes, so it's useless for married women or anyone who changed their name for whatever reason. Passports also work, but they cost money.

>>1489450
But illegals can get a driver's license.

>>1489452
I see that thing - All the states except for Rhodesia Island voted Red recently…

>>1489485
who cares? voters provide proof they're citizens when they register
these checks already happened

>>1489148
Not this racist rubbish again
I'll have you know that I was a student at Harvard University studying sociology when I discovered (and proved) that non whites can not be expected to provide proof of voting eligibility in the same manner as white people racistly expect them to. I spent all semester researching why disadvantaged minorities don't vote in the same numbers as white people and I came to the irrefutable conclusion that there is mass voter suppression going on because these people can't be expected to provide proof of eligibility like the white population. It's eurocentric to want to validate eligibility to vote. Indeed, nearly every country in the EU requires some form of proof of voting eligibility before they let a citizen vote.
Horribly disenfranchised.
My PhD dissertation was on the topic of voting disenfranchisement. In it I argued successfully that egalitarian voting can only be done in models such as california. We must rely on an individuals self attestation that they are eligible to vote and we must keep these voting records secure with the state Secretary and have codified in law that the state Secretary may not under any circumstance transfer any voting records to outside departments for the purpose of eligibility verification, as this would open up the floodgates for racist ice policies to deport people.
So don't take the moral ground on me you fascist, I've worked my entire life to remove eligibility verification from voting so that the entire population is franchised and the racist expectation that minority populations prove the same eligibility that we expect from white people be shelved

>>1489506
https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/trumps-transportation-secretary-sean-p-duffy-gavin-newsom-illegal-trucking-licenses
As part of the Secretary’s Nationwide Non-Domiciled CDL Audit, FMCSA uncovered a systemic collapse of California’s non-domiciled CDL program, which allowed the state to illegally issue licenses with expiration dates extending years beyond a driver’s lawful presence and to grant CDLs to individuals who were ineligible to hold them. In total, more than 20,000 active non-domiciled CDLs were issued by California in violation of federal safety regulations.

“Federal regulations are clear: states must correct safety deficiencies on a schedule mutually agreed upon by the Agency, and California failed to meet its commitment to rescind these unlawfully-issued licenses by January 5,” said FMCSA Administrator Derek D. Barrs. “We will not accept a corrective plan that knowingly leaves thousands of drivers holding noncompliant licenses behind the wheel of 80,000-pound trucks in open defiance of federal safety regulations.”

Reminder:

In September, a nationwide audit of trucking licenses exposed more than 25% of non-domiciled CDLs issued by California were issued unlawfully – including with licenses extending as many as four years beyond the expiration date of their lawful presence documentation. In one shocking case, California gave a driver from Brazil a CDL with endorsements to drive a passenger bus and a school bus that was valid for months after his legal presence expired.

In November, California agreed to revoke every illegally issued license within 60 days and work with FMCSA so the agency could verify that the failures that allowed these licenses to be issued are corrected.

>>1489557
What's that got to do with voting?

>>1489559
I was responding to a post saying
"But illegals can get a driver's license." with a news story revealing how after an audit 17,000-20,000 Commercial Drivers Licenses were offered to people who were not legally allowed to remain in the country during the time their drivers license remained valid

>>1489559
it doesn't have anything to do with voting
they'll pretend it does despite getting BTFO whenever they bring it up

>>1489557
Good post

>>1489569
>this level of cope

>>1489474
Because Mr. Smith will have already voted via an early ballot if he had any intent of going on holiday around the election period.

>>1489148
Good change, brings America up to date with the vast majority of the world's election standards

most of the world has voter ID laws
if you're seething about this, you're a faggot and will never be a woman