>>28859140
Yeah but it smells like burning clutch

>>28859140
Hill start assist on bmw is horrible. Way worse that doing it natty (with handbrake)
Do other brands do it better? Ok in theory dogshit in practice

No, I don't even have ABS, which is a prereq for hill assist.
>>28859160
>with handbrake
Really?
Brake with right foot, clutch in with left. Lift clutch to just before the bite area when you are about to go. When you need to go roll right foot off the brake and onto the throttle as you release the clutch. No rollback, no handbrake. It's super easy.

>>28859140
My econobox doesn't even have ABS... This is more of a selling feature for automatics in North America. My automatic work van has it and I'll admit it's kind nice vs having to two foot it like a peasant. I guess it would be nice to have in a manual car but then why are you buying a manual if you're going to use shit like that and auto rev matching?

>>28859171
I can hold still with the clutch all day but my autism prevents me from causing an extra.0001% wear

>>28859178
The wear is the same as the handbrake method.
I'm not saying balance the clutch the whole time.
On a hill, put it in neutral and hold the brake.
When you anticipate you're about to move bring the clutch to just before the bite point.
When it's time to move release the clutch and slide right foot from brake to throttle.

>>28859140
No, I just punch it.

>>28859140
I do this awkward manouever in my automatic where I stop on the hill, put my left foot on the brake (both feet are on the brake now), move the right foot to the gas, then ease on the gas til I move a little, and let go of the brake.

For some reason I don't trust the handbrake.

>>28859140
yeah
I though my brakes were sticking but I found out it's this feature

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>>28859215
Handbrake is there to un f your s.
Fix the cigarette lighter.

Yes and it's made me very lazy

>>28859140
No, but luckily i know how to drive a MT, so it's a non-issue.

>>28859140
Yeah it's a very innovative system called "driving a manual and not being a complete and utter faggot -tee emm"...

>>28859140
depends who's asking. are you a dataminer?

My car has anti mong. If you stall then dip the clutch and it will restart.
That stop start stuff doesn't rear its head until you F up, which is nice.

>>28859140
Yeah my old work van had hill start assist and it was pretty useful. Especially because it had a shitty electric throttle with a massive delay and the handbrake was a pull style under the dash.

I just balance the clutch and accelerator.
Have never had to the use the parking brake for this.

>>28859253
nah...

>>28859308
then why do you wanna know what i'm driving? is this a survey?

>>28859140
Yeah it's called a handbrake

>>28859341
survey deez nuts lol

guy who acted as my teacher taught me to release the clutch past the bite point in which the car starts to tremble autistically then add in a bit of throttle and that's how I do it to this day. I'm sure it's wrong, but it verks.

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>>28859140
Yeah. It's annoying. Once it came on while I was trying to reverse down a hill.

>>28859354
GOTTEM

>>28859140
I have a diesel automatic so I don't need it. Engine has some much torque at the low end it basically does the same thing.

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yeah its right here

Yes and it was shit. It held the brakes much too long requiring excessive clutch slip and throttle to get it to let go, didn't have a consistent engagement angle so on some inclines it pretty much randomly may or may not trigger (even on the literal exact same section of road) and the warning light telling you it's going to engage doesn't come on until you actually go to set off which is useless. Made me stall so many times despite having a fucking 450hp v8. Luckily I was able to disable it by swapping the accelerometer with one from an auto that doesn't have a pitch axis and so disables it, cost like $25 and an hour of work and doesn't even throw a cel or anything. Went from stalling probably 1 in 4 or 5 times to something like 1 in 500 or more.

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>>28859140
It does but I turned it off because it holds the brake on like im retarded or something.

Why would you ever need that unless you have an electronic parking brake and a car you can't heel toe off the line? Hell in an automatic you just rest your left foot on the brake until you put in enough gas.

>>28859160
>with handbrake
skill issue

>>28859572
People actually use handbrake on hillstarts?
surely this is a meme

>>28859573
My mom does
My driving instructor told me that it's an option but refused to teach me it because "its for women"

>>28859578
Just go on a dirt road, find a hill and do hill starts until you don't roll backwards/spin the wheels now you are a master.
Sheeeiiiiit

>>28859140
No, I'm not a faggot

>>28859140
I don't know, there aren't any hills here. How do I check?

>>28859150
>tfw it always smells like burning clutch
problem solved ;_;

I wonder if I could add a valve to switch off the hill hold on me fozzy?

>>28859140
Where I live it's extremely flat.

>>28860146
My '10 Impretzle 5spd had it. Pressing the TSC off button turns off hill assist while maintaining ABS and (unfortunately) stability control. ymmv
You can also just pull the ABS fuse, that's what I did (because fuck stability control) but you lose ABS.
This may be relevant:
https://youtu.be/pzuZd--LzTw

>>28859140
Yeah it's called a handbrake and manual transmission

Its a manual shitbox anon.

>>28859140
No, I just hold the handbrake up with the button depressed while I start engaging the clutch. Once it starts to bite enough I release the handbrake and feather the clutch until forward momentum is achieved.

>>28859573
It's not; it's a perfectly reasonable technique. Especially for low torque econoboxes.

>>28859573
Did you ever get a driving lesson?
It's this thing where they show you how to drive so you don't ask stupid questions just after you crashed your moms car. Again.

>>28860160
It's an 04
There is a switch on the clutch I saw when putting in a mic for hands free so might be the similar.

>>28860569
The '04 does not have hill assist. My '06 STi didn't have hill assist. The '10 did. It's built into the ABS unit and showed up around '09 model years.

>>28860574
>The '04 does not have hill assist.
don't make me drive to a hill to prove you wrong nigger
>>28860569
>so might be the similar
grug no bunga

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>>28860574
double nigger

>>28860574
>04 does not have hill assist.
Depends on the trip level, I believe it was part of the premium package for the XT at least

The version on the SG foresters is better than the later subaru hill assists as it releases as soon as the clutch starts to come out rather than holding the brake for a little bit

t. has an 05 forester with hill assist

>>28861637
What about that disproves anything I said? I've actually done all this.

>>28861647
>>28861641
Well, Subaru had a proprietary non-abs hill-assist system for some models before this. That's still not a good thing.

>>28861654
I think it first appeared the L series models (1985 - 1990) My 04' Forester has the non-abs one and I didn't even realize for a long time. I wonder how many Subaru owners even know it's a thing or how to use it. Only on manual transmission models.

>>28860252
even those have it sometimes. i once drove an old vw caddy that had start stop while also having manual roll down windows.

>>28859358
I do this.

>>28861687
My murrican '24 has start stop, manual transmission with hill assist, but manual windows.

>>28860574
My '20 Tacoma Pro does not have it. I think they may have added it to the 4th gen. They didn't bother on the 3rd gen since it still had a mechanical handbrake. The safety of steel from handle to wheel.

>>28859547
only women and toddlers get a pass using the handbrake

>>28859140
Your shitbox can't crawl uphill in drive? KWAB enginelets

>>28859140
No, I thought it was gay, but after driving cars with it, man it's comfortable, often people will pretty much glue to your back and it's anxiety inducing.

>>28859140
do you guys not have a handbrake?

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>>28859140
Yeah

You guys actually use the handbrake for hills? Just go to just before the bite point then move your right foot from brake to throttle as you release the clutch. No rollback unless I want it to.

>>28859140
No and I never want it. It would fuck with my muscle memory. I don't have problems on hills. And yes I drive in rush hour with tailgaters.

I learned it using the handbreak. but I guess you could heeltoe it

>>28860328
>>28863021
>>28863029
My manual jetta 4th gen was totaled from a retard crashing it in a mall parking lot last month. My dad loaned me a Kia K3 (1.6), manual too (he is driving a 2025 civic, and doesnt like the CVT)
I hate how sluggish it feels from a total stop, and it has filtered me on hills.
I still have problems finding the bite point on the kia, and it feels so underpowered compared the jetta. I ended up stalling 4 times in a row in a steep hill last friday. I had no problem with that road in my old shitbox before.
Is it just muscle memory, or a fact that less torque cars may need the handbrake/hill assist?

>>28864021
>Is it just muscle memory, or a fact that less torque cars may need the handbrake/hill assist?
Both, mostly muscle memory IMO. It always takes a bit to adjust to a new car if you don't switch manual cars often. My 1.8 has roughly the same power and is one of the easiest I've driven, maybe the easiest.
Things like where the torque is, 1st gear and diff ratios, how heavy the clutch pedal is, how "wide" the bite point is, and even how the pedals are spaced all make it different between cars.
Unrelated, but AWD cars often have heavier clutches because, since the tires don't spin as easily, impulse forces are often eaten by transmission materials.
You can get used to it, I habeeb in you.
And eventually you'll get used to getting used to it and will be able to get in any manual and figure it out in seconds.