kia sportage

>>28859674
Toyota hybrids. They require little maintenance and their hybrid drivetrain is a tank, so much so that other companies just said "fuck it" when it came to do their own thing and they're just leasing the toyota drivetrain under their own brands of hybrid cars. They would rather pay toyota than make their own, they're that reliable.

Now as far as cars goes, obviously the Prius, but I dunno what other models they sell on Gayropa so I dunno how to help you there,

>>28859697
toyotas are awful cars

>>28859705
Elaborate

>>28859708
they have a reputation as reliable, and use this brand prestige to churn out awful cars that nobody would buy if they had to test them blindly and somehow believed they were made by another brand
their interiors are hostile, scratchy, and cheap and their driving dynamics are poor
their hybrid batteries are small and outdated, you sacrifice a lot to get the brand name because they know they don't have to try hard and you will buy it anyways because you are brainwashed by the hype surrounding their brand name.

>>28859705
>>28859714
No one drive toyotas because they're fun anon, they drive them because they're (allegedly) indestructible,

>>28859674
Get a motorcycle if want to save money

>>28859718
so that's what I mean, they are coasting on their reputation, and you will buy their cars, no matter how awful they are, because you are a true believer that they cannot break.

>>28859757
>>28859714
So what car do you recommend then?

>>28859812
depends how much money you have and what you want in form factor and size
but, I recommend Kias.

>>28859818
I'm willing to spend about 20k euros max, I would just like a regular car not too big not too small, I sometimes drive family members to places too but I mostly drive alone to work and back

>>28859819
well, everything is super pricey in europe so maybe used Kia Sportage, the new K4 starts at 26k and a used one would be an old design, so maybe if you can get a slightly used new-design Kona that's really the same, but the old Kona kinda sucked. Basically you just want the newest platform you can afford with your money. Look at when the car was originally designed for that particular generation, not the specific model year. I'm not totally sure what cars they sell in Europe.

>>28859697
Hybrids are gay and Toyotas are for jeets.

>>28859839
>Hybrids are gay
But cheap and indestructible
>Toyotas are for jeets
He did say he's European.

Don't listen to the korean poster. Get something japanese, naturally aspirated, and not a CVT (ideally a manual).

>>28859674
toyota hilux

Mustang with the 3.7 Duratec and MT. Corvette with a Gen 1 SBC and manual.

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>>28859818
>but, I recommend Kias.

>>28859812
Why do you listen to the loudest retard? Are you a fucking idiot? You think the reputation of Toyota is just an illusion? God I hate you fucking idiots.

>>28862625
I had one of those! Good car except the mt was trash. If you get a 3.7 cyclone mustang, get the 6r80

>>28859674
>What's the most reliable car to own? I am looking to buy a car that will last me for an extremely long time.
Yo. This is what 99% of people want. There are a LOT of cars, most of them reliable. Everyone asks for the "magic most reliable car" but it doesn't work like that - we can only point out when a car is notably unreliable. There's no magical one car we point to as reliable.
Get something light, with a big engine but little power. Engines last longer propelling a 2,500lb car than a 5,000lb one. Tiny engines designed for tax brackets are often overstressed and have gimmicks like wet belts and CVTs.

Best answer you're gonna get is a hybrid with a small 4cyl engine with as little features as possible. Hybrids have less emissions garbo and don't stress the gas engine at all (atkinson cycle)

I bought Maverick base model hybrid which has a very basic 4cyl with a toyota hybrid type electric system with an Aisin transmission. It has no belts to change ever just fluids and oil. If you need a battery in future pull one from a wreckyard. Even oil you don't have to change as often because the engine is off 30-40% of the time.

>>28862714
>I bought Maverick base model hybrid which has a very basic 4cyl with a toyota hybrid type electric system with an Aisin transmission.
>It has no belts to change ever just fluids and oil.
That is the least-reliable shit I've heard. Your transmission has a belt; transmissions should not have belts. It's an over-stressed I4 pared with a complex hybrid system. If your engine doesn't have a belt then it has a complex chain system with plastic chain guides that fail at about the same time a timing belt would.

>>28862722
What makes you think the hybrid transmission has a belt? It uses planetary gears and magnets dude, there is no belt. There is a timing chain in the engine, that's all.

>>28862722
Also what is this horse shit about timing chain guides failing when a timing belt would (at like 120k miles?). There are sooo many accords out there with original chain guides on 400k mile engines, mine before the Maverick is over 300k and it never had its chain serviced ever, never misfires and if the chain fuckin dies you get a new-used accord engine with 70k miles on it for $500.

There are taxi hybrid ford escapes using similar setup over 500k miles original engine in NYC

>>28862730
>>28862732
Keep on driving your unibody, FWD or FWD-based "truck" that's hybrid with a CVT and talk about reliability. See what I care. I've had cars over 300k with just one belt change.

>>28862747
I will keep driving my reliable duratec that's detuned to never go above 5600rpm tied to a planetary gear set magnetic ecvt transfering power by rear differential to the rear wheels.

I've had cars with only one belt change too - accords. They used fwd unibody McDonald's struts and were just great. Guess I'll have awful luck on my choice of my current car with my fwd unbody McDonald's struts. You know, the recipe that gets to 1mil miles?

>>28862754
>Fwd unibody CVT is the recipe for 1 mil miles.
Sure bud. It's your loss.

>>28862757
Someone doesn't know that there's several Prius transmissions above 500k all over that are still running. They don't have belts dude, they use gears. The variance comes from the magnetic motors and not from any belt or chain.

>>28862754
>transfering power by rear differential to the rear wheels.
Are you implying that a maverick sends power to the rear wheels more than 1% of the time? It's FWD and only gives power to the rear if it detects slip.
My car has an engine designed for turbocharging, but isn't turbocharged. It's manual so no transmission replacements, just clutches. It weighs 2300 lbs. It doesn't have a hybrid system or CVT or other bullshit gimmicks that fail.
Simplicity, lightweight, good materials, and an engine that's tuned for way less power than intended is real reliability.
>Never tuned to go over 5,600 rpm
Oh, you think redlining a water cooled engine is bad. Figures. It's worse to go heavy throttle at 1300 rpm than to bounce off fuel cut past redline.

>>28862758
I simply don't care. They're less reliable when built to the same standards. They're more complex and harder and more expensive to work on. And, well, automatics are boring as fuck to drive. If you try to fix problems that don't exist with complex solutions, then you introduced problems.

>>28862765
Actually the rear diff in the Maverick is active at all times accelerating below 30mph and disconnects at highway speeds. When you accelerate hard or reach low speeds again it reengages. The only time you are fwd is light pedal pushes at highway speeds. I was looking how to disable it at will for economy reasons but I actually have AWD forced on me...

Anyways all I'm reading is a bunch of boomer bullshit blah blah muh pontiac Sunfire run foever. Fuck off with that gay shit, if you buy a new vehicle NOW which is the point of this topic, a 4 cylinder hybrid is best.

>>28862768
You really don't get it. Go look at a YouTube video of how a Toyota ecvt works. They are LESS COMPLEX than a traditional automatic and even a manual transmission. Don't make up bullshit about "they're hard to service" because you DON'T service then! You fucking pop a bolt drain fluid and fill it back in the side every 50k like a differential and that's it.