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>>28863658
Ev bros what's this i(n)ce(l) talking about?

>>28863658
All the stations seemed pretty empty today. I was in and out with 120 liters of gas and 20 liters of diesel in under 5 minutes. Not it's another 2 weeks before I need to worry about fueling up again. Feels good.

>>28863690
I just drove by the nice new Shell, 16/16 pumps empty and only the cashier's car in the lot. Huh

>>28863690
I wish they sold diesel suvs in the US. My cuckover has very little low end torque and I have to keep it manually shifted between 2nd and 3rd gears (it needs a 2.5) on mountain passes.

As I understand it, diesel is heavily taxed in the US I guess because it is mostly used for commercial purposes so they will pay a premium,

>>28863691
They always jack up the fuel prices on the weekends. Most people will wait until the weekday to refuel because it's usually cheaper.

>>28863695
Be grateful gas and gas vehicles are cheap in North America. Diesel it's self is expensive as fuck and modern diesels are cucked beyond belief. A diesel will only make the crossover experience worse.

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>>28863658
Some people probably panicked when the Iran thing kicked off. But Iran mostly sells oil to China and friends.

>>28863658
It's not the 70s anymore, ojisan. It's not even the 00s. Prices will go up, but the shock won't even be remotely near the hit to natural gas in 2022.

>>28863709
>A diesel will only make the crossover experience worse.
I mean there's all that low end torque, as someone who drives a lot in mountainous areas that sounds nice
I hate having to put it in first gear and floor it up a steep twisty

>>28863658
>another rube goldberg machine thread
The rube goldberg machine industry is at a cliff edge, waiting for an oil crisis to push it off. It eventually will fall anyway.

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>>28863765
isn't that literally modern day piracy? taking over boats and shit for riches?

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>>28863899
Yes. But it's what's going down.

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>>28863835
>hey, did you hea-
>*walks in garage*
>did you hear a-
>*walks back out with charging cable*
>did you hear about the-
>*plugs cable into car*
>did you hear about the long lines at-
>*closes garage door*
>Hey man, did you hear about the-
>*garage door closes*
>*now muffled* the long charging lines at the tesla superchargers!

>>28864371
So explain why those Teslas were there...
I have gas and diesel in my barn and didn't have to pay $2,000 on top of my car's price for a charger.

>>28863658
Depends on where you are. We're fine in Arizona USA. California is on its way to $10/gallon prices, though. Euros have been bent over the barrel for a while now.

>>28864375
>So explain why those Teslas were there...
Rich white people in remote ski location on vacation. Are you an LLM with extremely limited context? We're in a thread about gas lines and oil crisis.

Also, my charger came free with my car.

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>hey, did you hea-
>*pulls into gas station*
>did you hear a-
>*starts pumping gas*
>did you hear about the long lines at-
>*finishes pumping gas*
>Hey man, did you hear about the-
>*drives away from gas station*
>*now muffled* the long lines at the gas stations!

>>28864386
The joke doesn't work cause it takes you 5 minutes to fill up.

>>28863899
No this isn't piracy, it's "privateering". You see, it's completely different because the US is doing it and anyway shut up you won't do shit.

>>28864389
It takes 2 minutes tops from empty if you've only got a 12 gal tank. Usually less than a minute, I don't dally.
How long does that home charger take to charge a Tesla? Oh, that's right 7-8 hours according to Tesla themselves.
>inb4 you're supposed to do it at night
Don't care. Only EVfags care about charge times. Going to the gas station for 2 minutes every 10-15 days is not a big deal to me when I get to drive a mechanical car I actually enjoy. Are gas stations that scary to you?

>>28863899
These tankers are used to bypass sanctions on Russia and so are subject to seizure in the same manner as a car full of drugs is seized. It just so happens that the US has the largest blue-water navy in the world and therefore gets the most "shadow fleet" tankers but any navy is free to do the same. IIRC the Bongs and the Frogs have gotten a few, along with the Finns too.

>>28864389
>5 minutes to fill up
Are you filling two tanks at once?

>>28863658
We're doing fine, in the US, so it's all good.

>tfw

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>>28863658
>gas lines are rather long today /o/...
Hey, so am I!

>>28864401
If you think it's so convenient, why don't you invent a phone where you have to go to a dedicated phone refueling station where it can be refueled in minutes instead of having a phone take hours to charge?

>>28864542
You probably think home hydroelectric power is about to catch on too

>>28864543
Uh, my home has been powered by hydroelectric since it was built over 80 years ago.

>>28864542
You're grasping at straws, man.
It isn't a convenience, it is simply not an inconvenience. It takes so little time it's laughable that you guys make "not going to the gas station" a "selling point"* while also spending endless hours talking about charging techniques and times.
*For heavy 1-gear mass surveillance cars, nonetheless. Do you really think I'm going to give up my miata that I love deeply and shell out $30k just to not have to spend less than 10 minutes a month at a gas station? Really? How scary do you think gas stations are?

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>>28864547
>it's not inconvenient to fill up gas
This sounds like from someone who has never owned a car. Tons of culture surrounds the inconvenience of refueling cars.

https://www.google.com/search?q=car+gas+low+meme&tbm=isch
https://www.google.com/search?q=car+gas+low+meme+wife&tbm=isch

You may as well be saying "Why do I need a laptop or mobile phone, when I can just use my desktop PC at home?"

>>28864550
You're not saving the world by buying a product.

>>28863726
Just buy a 1500 with the 3.0 duramax

>>28864552
You're not getting younger by clinging onto ancient tech.

>>28864556
>"It's da futcha!"
Sorry, I'll be over here having fun in a machine while you jerk yourself off over buying products for some esoteric social concept of the future.

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>>28864563
>I'll be having fun riding my horse while you jerk off in your self propelling carriage for some esoteric social concept of a future

>>28864566
I'm happy for you if so.
ICE and steam cars allowed for food, medicine, workers, and goods to be transported. EVs do the same task as IEC cars - Faulty comparison but nice try. I'm not asking to ban horses, I have a 5 stable barn :P

>>28864571
Cars do the same as horses, but worse. Horses don't need roads. There will always be a need for horses in society. Most people will still use horses even when cars become ubiquitous. You'll always see horses side by side on the same roads as cars.

>>28864573
Horses aren't bringing you fresh oranges or chilled insulin to Alaska. Or missiles, jets, building material, yadda yadda.
You can't talk your way out of this one. EVs do the same task as ICE cars, it's not a big leap. Automobiles let us win WWI and WWII because we were the early-adopters and transportation led to every industry getting stronger.
EVs are just cars with batteries.

>>28864593
>he says this when he has to go to dedicated fueling stations instead of just using the outlets in his home

>>28863835
Why would anyone buy an EV and not have a home charger? So stupid

>>28864597
I don't give a shit, I want to drive a car I like. It takes 1-2 minutes to fill up once every 10-15 days. Like, are you going to pay thousands of dollars to not have to brush your teeth. I spend more time brushing teeth than being at the gas station by far. I'm not going to buy an EV, no matter what you say. Sorry.
RWD / Otto cycle /manual / LSD / dbl wishbones / under 2,800 lbs - it's what I like and I'm not paying to give it up because you're scared of gas stations.

>>28864617
EVs are cheaper in every single regard. You're paying a premium to use gasoline.

>>28864631
I just bought a pristine rust-free 130k mile '90s miata for $4k flat. My last one was $2.2k and lasted me 11 years to 280k miles.
It's exactly the car I want, and it's cheap as fuck, and I already know almost every bolt in it. When a Tesla is 30 years old, are they still going to have hundreds of thousands of cheap miles in them? Who knows?
I'm not buying your heavy shitsled iPads on wheels because you're scared of gas stations. They've got to make a car that's engaging, and 1-gear 5,000 lb EVs are not. My car is 2,300 lbs, it's a totally different feeling and experience - I enjoy driving, a lot, and EVs aren't it.

>>28864402
Belgium grabbed one a couple days ago, and Estonia got a couple too.

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Not my problem.

>>28864635
I see a 2012 Chevy Bolt for $4,700 with 139k miles so...yes, you can get a used EV for the same price as a used old car.

>>28864641
Price wasn't the only part of the question.
Could I run that Bolt another 10 years / 150k miles with just a couple repairs I can do myself on drunken nights totalling $1-3k over a decade?
My last miata was flood damaged in hurricane katrina, I bought it for 2k with the engine caked in southern clay. but it lasted me 11 years and 150k miles (to 280k) with just a belt, water pump, clutch, and clutch slave cylinder which I did myself. And I redlined and did donuts bouncing off the rev limiter constantly, I did 2 hour runs at track days, I try to do stunts every time I drive.
Would I want to go with the Bolt when I like manual cars with LSDs? The bolt is FWD with no gears and ~1,500 lbs heavier. I like driving, it's why I'm here, how do you not see what I'm saying? Are you a robot?

I made quite a few trips today mainly because I was bored. I filled up my truck, car, grom, burgman 400, and 4x 5gal gas cans and my generator. One station changed it's price up 21c by the time I was nearly done so I went to the other one down the street to finish up. Not being a reactionist here but I'm also not getting caught with my pants down like during covid.

>>28864648
Covid wasn't as bad as the '08 market crash. I remember paying $4.50 / gal, before inflation.

>>28864652
I got my first car in 08. I remember it well. Took most my check to fill my car up enough to get to school and work.

>>28864542
no cap, if i could buy a phone that i'd just pour some phone juice in and get a full charge in 30 seconds which would last me a month that would be a fucking game changer. that would revolutionize the industry. people still plugging their phones into walls for 8 hours a night would look and feel like retards. oh you ran out of battery, good luck, gotta find a wall to plug it into for 4 hours lol. i'm just picturing all those poor people sitting on the floor at airports huddling around the outlets trickle charging their little batteries, meanwhile i stroll by the airport exxon and juice up to 100 in 30 seconds lmao.

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donty worry brother were getting that sweet venuzeala crude any day now

>>28864698
We kinda make our own and export more than we import. How does Iran really matter to us? And this may put us in favor of opec states should they get collateral spoils.

>>28863658
nah

>>28863753
EVs are 50 years older than ICE cars (1835) and failed twice already. Besides not enough lithium to replace ICE cars with EVs.

>>28864769
The mechanical engine existed for over 200 years before it replaced the horse.

>>28864782
Evs are expensive, have less range and require material which are in low supply. It simply won't happen. They will just fail a third time. It's yet another fraud.

>>28864702
the market is global dumbass, other countries that were getting oil from Iran have to get it somewhere else

>>28863658
>just went and filled up after work
>more than half the pumps were empty
OP is a fag, like usual.

>>28864785
If that's true why is everyone saving money by switching to them, and their production keeps growing exponentially? And the range isn't really an important issue since people who drive 100,000 miles per year love 'em.

>>28864814
>If that's true why is everyone saving money by switching to them
https://www.autoweek.com/news/a70360927/carmakers-50-billion-loss-on-evs/

>>28864817
EV sales jumped 20% in 2025. They're about 1/4 of the world's car sales last year now.

>>28864824
[cough]...due to government regulations and mandates.

>>28864824
>Buyers registered 1.3 million EVs out of over 16 million light vehicles sold in the US in 2025, for a 7.8% share of the market, a figure that was down for the first time from 8% in 2024, according to S&P Global Mobility data reported by Automotive News.
Just because souless eurobugmen are forced into buying EVs because of overreaching laws that say they can't drive their car into the city means nothing in a country that actually matters, troll.
Lets circle back to
>>28864814
>If that's true why is everyone saving money by switching to them
>Here are the biggest hits:
>GM took more than $7 billion in EV-related charges for 2025
>Ford will have posted almost $21 billion in charges through 2027
>Stellantis, parent company of Chrysler, Dodge, Ram, et al., previewed $26 billion in charges February 6 ahead of releasing its full 2025 financial results later in the month, Automotive News said. The charges include $17.5 billion for canceled vehicle programs and platform impairments and $2.5 billion for reworking its EV supply chain
>Honda on February 10 said its EV write-offs tallied $1.7 billion in the nine months ended December 31 and likely will grow by the end of its fiscal year in March.

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>>28864824
>c h i n a

>>28864593
>Horses aren't bringing you fresh oranges or chilled insulin to Alaska. Or missiles, jets, building material, yadda yadda.
But the real question is, what must we do of making them capable of this?

>>28864631
>EVs are cheaper in every single regard.
My spreadsheets say otherwise. It's difficult to compete with a fully depreciated car that costs nothing to insure and is trivial to fuel.

I know that EVs are not yet the way, because the jews have yet to adopt them en masse like minivans or dinosaur BOF SUVs. They practically live and breathe money.

>>28863695
>i wish they sold diesel suvs in the US
you mean the chevy tahoe

>>28864885
Horses eat ~20 lbs of hay a day. Hay requires a lot of fertile land so deforestation (or crop cycling). Growing this (or anything, really) requires fertilizers which require emissions to produce.
Horses fart methane (natural gas, the US's main source of electicity lol) which is 80x more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2.
We need regulations on horse and cow farts, damnit!

>>28864895
*good diesel SUV's. You're a fucking retard if you buy anything with that steaming pile of shit in it.

>>28864702
OPEC's are getting their refineries wrekd because we put all our missle defences in netanyahus back yard
also venzuelula is in opec

>>28864698
Venezuelan oil is sour as fuck, really only good for heavy fuel for container ships unless you have a specialized refinery for sour crude

>>28863726
Look into a VW or Mercedes diesel. I miss having an OM606. I currently daily a newer Passat that's been deleted. I go over 600 miles per tank and with my daily commute I only fill up once every fortnight. Diesel is usually the same price as gas or MAYBE a dollar more at most per gallon. But that small increase in fuel is offset by the great fuel economy.

Don't let these gas babies discredit an economical diesel. They are just mad that they need extra help igniting their own fuel.

>>28863899
only if browns do it

>>28863658
>doesn't have totes full of diesel in his yard and a 100 gallon aux tank in the bed of the truck
brother....

i'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary

I'm seeing massive queues of cagers lining up to full their tanks because war in Iran.

>>28865991
prices shot up by 20c per litre from a night or two ago where i'm at. govt is saying they're on the lookout for stations/companies jacking up the price and you can guess how effective that is.
i knew i should've filled up on the weekend

>>28864550
>others are just as incompetent as me in forgetting to refuel therefore its inconvenient!
real smart there

>>28865225
if you are turning venezuelan into new US state
why not just make it then?
turn them into new purto rico

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>>28866082
I fill up my 8 litre tank every morning and it usually costs about ten bux. I guess tomorrow it'll cost twenty. Damn Jews.

>>28866093
Holy fuck you spend $3500 to $7000 a year on fuel?!

>>28866093
Its Australia pricing mate. We are sitting at 7.95 Aud a gallon (5.29 USD). I pretty sure the US would fall a part at that price.

>>28866111
You're paying California prices. It's only going to get worse, at least for Cali. I don't know what affects your markets. Cali went from 40 refineries to fewer than ten. They're absolutely screwed.

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>>28866166
I checked Wikipedia, we had seven refineries in 2007, now we have two refineries left for the whole country and we get the majority of our oil from Singapore, which gets it from the middle east. And, we have 30-38 days of reserves...
Yeah, I'm boned.

>>28866082
filling up my van now costs 125€ and i need to fill up every week.

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>>28866184
>now we have two refineries left
That's terrifying. You actually have politicians worse than the governor of California. I'm impressed. I guess Mad Max was a documentary series.

>>28863658
Ok fine, I guess I will finally install LPG after everyone was giving me shit for not having it

>>28864897
>methane (natural gas, the US's main source of electicity lol) which is 80x more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2.
80 x 0 = 0

>>28864371
>>28864375
I just did some calculations assuming gas prices double. A tesla would save ~$350/year in gas (and cost more / month in insurance, maintenance, etc.)
You don't buy an EV for savings, you buy it for the silence, because you're a fag, or a jeet.

>>28864375
Probably some promotion that let them charge for free.

>>28866184
Refineries are dying because of lack of demand. Any refinery can stay in business as long as the money is flowing.

>>28866262
15 cents a kwh
4 miles per kwh
Roughly 4 cents a mile

$3.5 a gallon
24 miles per gallon
Roughly 14 cents a mile

10 cent difference per mile in just fuel alone. 14,000 miles per year avg = $1,400 a year.

>>28866333
It gets better if you have your own PV.

>>28866332
Absolutely false. There's no lack of demand for gasoline anywhere on the planet. I don't know what's happening in Australia, but in California it's over-regulation. Refineries are tired of it, so they're shutting down one after another.

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>>28866354
> There's no lack of demand for gasoline anywhere on the planet.

>>28866354
>I don't know what's happening in Australia
more than likely price gouging just because they can. exact same shit happened back in covid when the govt announced the fuel excise was gonna be restored after being cut for a while, and that fuel companies must not exploit this. about 3-4 days before the tax was restored, the prices just shot right back up. this time it's electric boogaloo.

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>>28866362

>>28863658
$2.64 Friday and $2.78 today. Literally a 5% increase. Fucking retards

>>28866166
i paid 2.80 a litre for premium today....

>>28866362
>>28866367
What's the cause of the drop? Lack of availability or did the global population drop suddenly while I was taking a nap?

Trumps illegal war is just starting, everyone needs to stock up before the country runs out of gas because the dumb fuck orange nazi was jealous of a good leader of a prosperous and peaceful country.

>>28867061
This, i'm gonna tank up when my fuel light comes on, Iran is literally fighting to not became occupied and gay like us and there are actual people of Caucasian descent supporting this shit.

Where does that even happen besides maybe Costco?
I have never seen a line for gas ever. Is it a European thing?

>>28864401
Yeah nah. Ur a cunt. :^)

>>28867061
this but unironically