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This is a thread for enjoying a pipe while doing outdoor activities. If you ask why this belongs on /out/, you've never spent
an evening by the campfire with a pipe silently enjoying the nature around you, and you're missing out.
>how to get started
Purchase a corn cob pipe (or a cheap briar pipe) and a pouch of Half and Half or Captain Black tobacco from a smoke shop
or online. You will need a lighter or match, and something to tamp it with--a large nail works well if you don't have a pipe tool.
Fill the pipe with tobacco, pack it down halfway, top it off, pack it down to 3/4, top it off again, pack gently and enjoy. Smoke
slower than you think you need to, the tobacco tastes best when it is burning cool. Tamp and re-light as needed. If you still
have trouble, try different methods on YouTube until you find one that works for you.
>smoking a pipe will give you cancer
Originally the Surgeon General found that pipe and cigar smokers, following a careful study of the statistics (at a time when
most adults smoked, so they had a good sample size), had insignificant death rate increases. Nowadays, tobacco is being
legislated against while hard drugs are being legalized. Put two and two together. Tobacco is just another good thing under attack by the government.
>muh weed
Not the time or place. Start your own thread.
All tobacco users welcome.
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>>2856593
>Nowadays, tobacco is being
>legislated against while hard drugs are being legalized. Put two and two together. Tobacco is just another good thing under attack by the government.
Also, they lump commercial cigarette smokers in with cigar and pipe smokers. They used to differentiate them, but they no longer do that because it would reveal how horrible cigarettes are for you, and they're probably even worse now.
Honestly, I'm curious about what vape does to the body. Vapes are still too new to know I think, but even in their newness they were attributed to causing popcorn lung. And there's all kinds of contaminants people put in the juice that are linked to other things. I wonder where the data will point 50 years from now.
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in your guy's experience, which seems to smoke cooler &/or dryer?
>peterson/savinelli dry system
>reverse calabash cooling chamber
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Does "aged" tobacco begin to smell a bit funky, like maybe it's been fermented?
I'm the anon from last thread who opened a tin of Riverboat Gambler and there was 1 very moldy, white, small piece of tobacco at the top of the tin. Something that I think I forgot to mention is that when I received the tin, it already had almost 2 years worth of age on it. I guess not many people buy it. I didn't find any other moldy pieces of tobacco, and I transferred it to a mason jar, but the tin note still has some fermented style funk to it. It tastes mostly fine, except maybe in the last ~15% of the bowl, the funk will start coming through, but it's kind of a good funk. I'm really not sure if this is normal because I only really buy bulk, and the few tins I've purchased have all been fresh, like within a couple months of being produced, and none of them have had mold. I've been smoking it, but I feel like I'm smoking it less than I want to because of the funky smell.
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>>2856674
Schürch if you can get it. They have some of the finest English blends on the market. Schürch is based in Switzerland and is one old blind guy who is blending exclusively by his sense of smell and touch. Their blends score constantly high in every review and are a bit of a cult in Italy.
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>>2856733
this is the old fellow who does the magic. Downside, they don't have a working online shop, so you have to either visit in person or buy from a few retailers in Italy or France.
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>>2856657
Savinelli #1. Very easy to clean. Can be used with or without filters. Peterson has had serious QC issues in recent years relating to drilling. Savinelli is the sensible choice for
I have no reverse calabash experience, so I make no comment.
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SEATTLE PIPE CLUB IS BACK!!! I had heard that C&D was out of the picture as far as acquiring SPC, but I always felt that C&D would do the best job with SPC. Looks like they thought so too. I’m interested in trying the new C&D stuff, since I know that it will taste a bit different, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a bad thing, especially since I felt Plum Pudding was becoming less flavorful than it had been 4+ years ago.
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>>2856691
Yes. Same with aging cigars, the fermentation process releases some ammonia. When you first open your tin/jar/humidor, the smell is going to be pretty pungent because of all the ammonia. Let it air out a bit and you’ll begin to smell the actual tobacco.
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>>2856593
>Originally the Surgeon General found that pipe and cigar smokers, following a careful study of the statistics (at a time when most adults smoked, so they had a good sample size), had insignificant death rate increases.
Fake news. The "time" you reference was when Big Tobacco pulled the strings on nearly everything in society, including studies that "proved" their products weren't harmful. That proved to be wrong as time progressed and more studies were conducted. Smoking causes cancer; denial of that fact is cope.
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>>2856797
Pic related.
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>>2856805
If you're not willing to read, how are you going to go through the data?
Pipe smoking is risky, it increases your odds for head, neck, and other cancers. It's less harmful than cigarettes, but obviously there's still nonzero harm.
Alcohol also drastically increases your cancer risk, especially in combination with tobacco products as it disrupts your mucous membranes.
Sunbathing increases your cancer risk, too. So does living near a highway, or being exposed to VOCs or dust chronically in a workplace, spending too much time in a radon-filled basement, or commuting daily in heavy traffic.
Eating processed meat a few times a week is in roughly the same carcinogenic risk category as occasionally smoking a pipe.
Sitting on your ass and shitposting too late into the night for too many years is about as hazardous for your health long-term.
The cancers you usually see from pipe smoking are generally very visible at early stages, as head, neck, tongue, larynx, and throat are regulary and easily inspected at your physical or dentist checkup.
There's provable risks to just about every vice a human being can enjoy, but it's up to every adult to figure out for themselves whether what they gain is worth the potential cost.
If you're otherwise a reasonably healthy person without other vices, getting out and about with a pipe every now and again really isn't the worst thing you can do.
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>>2856810
This. There are so many things that cause cancer now, and I don’t think pipe smoking or cigar smoking are among the most dangerous of them. Like I always say, there’s a reason pipe smoking is associated with old, gray, wrinkly men.
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>>2856852
6mm, but they're not hard to get and you don't need them. I used to always use a filter, and now, I never do. Savinelli makes my favorite, which is just a balsa wood triangle. Medico, White Elephant, Vauen, and Dr. Grabo all make 6mm filters. You can even buy them on Amazon. They are not hard to find.
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>>2856845
They’re the most readily available of all the tobacco manufacturers. None of my favorite tobaccos are C&D, but they do have some good tobaccos that I know will always be there when I want them. My guess is they’ll use their aged stock for the SPC releases, as indicated on the Hogshead tin (10 year aged). It also explains why they’re keeping the prices high like the old SPC tins.
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>>2856875
Captain Black and his crewmates are arguably more readily available than C&D, you can get it same-day in a brick and mortar store almost anywhere.
If you're ordering from a retailer, you can just as easily buy something else.
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>>2856868
4noggins is 4 noggers. The owner has TDS and has repeatedly acted super unprofessional.
>>2856875
What about Peterson? It's also a Laudisi brand but made by a competent manufacturer.
It's been a few years since I've bought pipe tobacco. Damn, prices have gone up like crazy. I remember when 50g tins were $10 and then $12. Is this a Trump thing? Nasal snuff shot up in price due to tariffs.
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>>2856946
I believe it can be carcinogenic when done to excess. But so can plenty of otherwise harmless things--things essentially harmless in moderation.
There is an agenda against smoking, which was a good pastime in Christian Civilization for hundreds of years. It is a simple pleasure that stimulates good society among men and helps them to slow down and enter a more contemplative state. Everything good must be attacked; therefore smoking is attacked. With science both captured ideologically and bought and paid for, it's stupid to believe everything coming out of it.
Actually most smoking deaths are false attributions (that is, deaths attributed to smoking simply because the deceased was a smoker, not because smoking caused his death). And among those smokers who die of lung cancer, most of them are blue-collar workers working in unhealthy conditions and living in polluted cities. No wonder they get cancer.
For the most part, these conclusions aren't even from new research. They come from scientists merely reviewing the data from anti-tobacco studies, and poking holes in their findings. Anti-smoking statistics are just air.
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>>2856959
It's not really much of a dispute that inhaling smoke causes cancer. Group 1 carcinogens are fairly well-understood and your lungs were only made for air.
Nobody is arguing that plutonium won't give you cancer, but that's essentially what you're doing when you completely dismiss the risks.
The risks are lessened with a pipe and without inhaling, but if you're ignoring decades of empirical research and international consensus to convince yourself there's no harm at all, you're deluding yourself.
Workplace lifetime exposures to Group 1A substances are vastly understated, but that doesn't make the rest of the science bullshit.
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Welp I'm about to go on a long-term trip that is probably likely to become a permanent move overseas soon. I am still an amateur pipe smoker having started smoking it from cigs just last year prompted by this very thread and since then I religiously follow the "how to fill the pipe" bit and enjoying every singe session. I don't even know exactly why I'm making this blog post other than to thank you guys for the pointers and I am abviously taking my pipe with me on my adventures in which I aim to smoke and chill on nice landscapes, possibly overlooking a cool mountain or a nice lake.
I'm taking a couple of ounces of Mac Baren's Scottish Blend plus another one of Vanilla Cream from the only pipe tobacco shop in town. I hope I can find and discover awesome new blends in new horizons too.
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I'm really enjoying the taste of this SG Navy Flake but trying to keep it lit is driving me insane. A few relights is normal, but I just lit it and it went out again within 60 seconds. I wasted another match and I could SEE the flame dipping down to meet the leaf, and it wouldn't burn! I dried it for hours, I can easily draw air through the pipe so I don't think I packed it too tight, no clue what I'm doing wrong here.
Forget this, I'm going to just be happy being a pleb and stick with EMP and Cap'n Black.
>>2857012
Happy travels, friend. I hope the country you're moving to is pipe-friendly! I moved to a place that has a pretty annoying tariff on importing pipe tobacco, even though there's no local industry for it.
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>>2857043
how fine is it cut?
i used a weed grinder to grind the a batch of flake i had, since it was a pain to do by hand
it actually ended up burning too well, so i gotta be careful with it; so maybe that could fix your issue
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>>2857066
yup, lol; even used it for a couple rolled cigarettes with one of the dryer aro's
>>2857071
dicing with a knife is pretty common for flakes, so thats a great way to go too (it basically makes cube cut)
if you ever do get lazy & get a weed grinder, don't get a plastic one, as even potheads don't like those
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What's your favorite shape for a cob?
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>>2857043
SG blends are notorious for burning poorly. Some say it’s because the tobacco comes super wet, but it still burns bad even when I dry it. SG Full Virginia Flake is simultaneously the best tasting Virginia I’ve ever had AND the worst burning tobacco I’ve ever smoked.
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is this french tobacco any good?
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>>2856786
I thought I did air it out when I transitioned it into the mason jar, but apparently not enough. So I poured it into a plastic bin and took it outside with me while I smoked, and since doing that it has lost of a lot of the questionable smell and is tasting a lot better. I was worried about it getting too dried out, but luckily that didn't happen. Anyway, thanks, that really helped.
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>>2857238
their chesapeake for reed stems, and their mark twain for any other
they're both very solidly built, have hardwood plugs, and great wall thickness
i especially like how thick and sturdy the walls feel on the mark twain, and how wide and clean the inside of the bowl is on the chesapeake
the mark twain one can't accept full filters, but cutting the filters in half makes them fit fine, along with basically doubling your supply
i also drilled out mine to accept a stinger insert, which makes it an insanely good smoker
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>>2857260
That'll be the poly propylene glycol, the stuff literally rips moisture from the air and binds it to the tobacco and SG uses it a bit excessively.
Pure flue cured Virginia's are highly flammable and difficult to stop burning hot. C+D Opening night is a good example.
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It's pretty good.
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>>2857391
NTA but 4nogs has it bulk. Probably just scooped from the tub.
You can always give it away with the Uncle Sam method.
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Can't get this shit to stay lit.
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I really like this one.
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>>2857238
I've got an "dwarf cobbit" from MM that I'm very fond of. In terms of regular cobs I really like a straight unfinished/natural type
>>2857508
That's a good looking pipe right there. I mostly smoke cobs and a have a couple of halfway decent briars, but I do want one big ostentatious pipe for when I need to intimidate a french farmer
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>>2857622
Well, it's not that big and actually folds nicely into a true pocket pipe. Also it's a local farmer pipe shape form the French speaking Swiss canton of Vaud.
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I know it might sound like a silly question but how much of the bowl do you fill and how would you even relight this thing?
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scored a NOS noname Canadian last week, payed a tenner. I don't even need a new pipe, just bought it because it was cheap and I didn't have that shape yet. autism i guess.
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>>2857731
The whole thing, it's basically a vertical cigar. Use long matches.
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>>2857784
fujima is shit, but if its only through the bottom, just plug it with a wooden plug & elmer's glue
you can seal any void with pipe mud too, so if its on the side or you wanna bolster the plug, it'll work
no reason to let a good pipe die
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So I bought a new Peterson from smokingpipes a while back. The hole that goes into the bowl is completely off-center in the mortis and doesn't line up with the hole in the tenon at all (if I'm using these terms correctly), to the point it's impossible to run a pipe cleaner through it without removing the stem. None of my other pipes are like that and I'm starting to wonder if it's a manufacturing error or something. Worth bitching to smokingpipes about? It actually smokes really well, it's just a bit annoying not being able to get a pipe cleaner through it when it starts to gurgle.
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>>2857910
the air passage should always be centered to the bowl (unless its an oddball pipe, which is very rare)
its probably a manufacturing defect, a common one with pipes
are you able to post a picture?
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>>2857910
wait, i just realized you said
>it's impossible to run a pipe cleaner through it without removing the stem
do you not understand what a peterson dry system is?
its perfectly fine to remove the stem at any time as long as it has an army tenon
you're not talking about a manufacturing defect, are you?
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This one might be the endgame.
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>>2856593
Clay pipes are based.
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>>2858367
nta
sorta?
just treat them with a little caution, and its effectively "indestructible"
you're never going to over-smoke it in any way, but if you try knocking it around like a cob, you're gonna break it in an instant
i started out smoking them, but have mostly moved to meerschaum on account of clenchable stems
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>>2858372
>clenchable stems
Just get some rubber pipe bits or a silicone straw and don't clench too hard.
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>blogpost:
Got an estate meerschaum about a year and a half ago, my first meerschaum. No idea how old it is, but I'd bet money that it was barely smoked when I got it. It became my favorite pipe to smoke because it just smokes so nicely, and I've smoked probably 700 or more bowls in this thing, but it just wasn't coloring at all. Barely anything. I know it's almost definitely low quality meerschaum, but it made me sad how much I like smoking this thing and how much it wasn't coloring.
So I looked around how to color meerschaums and it was all crazy things like smoke aromatics upside down, when I don't even like smoking aromatics much and definitely not out of a meerschaum. Then I came across a forum post where a guy described buying an old "grey" meerschaum and waxing it with beeswax and then having the colors come out without him even needing to smoke it, so I ordered some beeswax, waxed it, and my god the difference is enormous. This is just a before and after of wax being applied to the pipe, not additional smokes between. All of the designs on the pipe really pop now. The meerschaum itself is still not as dark as I would have hoped, but it's nice that the part that seems to have taken the most are the grooves of the carved designs. There is a bundle of grapes on this pipe that looked pale as bone and now it's completely brown. And man, I had no idea beeswax smelled so good. It's intoxicating. I can't remember the last time I smelled something that I got "addicted" to and needed to keep smelling, but beeswax smells incredible. Like a warm bouquet of honey and flowers. And I just smoked a bowl from this, and there is a pleasant aftertaste of that smell in here. I hope it eventually goes away, and I do think that it will because it's still freshly waxed, but I am even enjoying the beeswax aftertaste for right now.
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>>2858397
Beeswax is amazing stuff. Just don't start eating sticks of Burt's Bees. Still wonder if that kid turned out alright.
If you have any regular clay pipes, you can also coat the tips with beeswax so they don't get sticky. Makes a great candle or wax melt, too.
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>>2858397
keep waxing bro
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>>2858397
nice, i think i got the same type as you do
it doesn't color either, but it still smokes nicely
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>>2858409
I have way more than I will probably ever be able to use for pipes, so I'll have to look into making a few candles. It smells way too good.
>>2858410
I dream of one day owning a meer that is this colored.
>>2858411
Yeah, it's one of those with the leaves and the grapes. It might be worth trying to wax it with beeswax if you've smoked it a decent amount. I think it looks better irl than in pictures, but the grapes and the designs really pop now.
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>>2858462
Pretty sure C&D Dark Fired is the only Kentucky you can reliably get in bulk now. G&H Dark Flake looks good too but nobody has it in stock.
Bold Kentucky might not ever come back to burgerland. Fuck STG.
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>>2856891
>I remember when 50g tins were $10 and then $12.
Most of this is just plain old aging, $10-15 in 2015 dollars is $14-20 in 2026 from inflation alone.
Add a few years of industry consolidation, global supply chain disruptions, and some light Tolkien memeing and suddenly Capstan is $25 a tin.
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I was watching a YouTube review of some tobacco, I forget what, and he said that he got his tin on sale for $7. It was only like from 2018 or something I think. Tins go on sale for ~$12 now. It still blows my mind how much inflation happened in just a few short years.
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>>2856891
>Peterson
yeah good shit, I just got my shipment with University and Killarney. both really nice. Some of you keep recommending haunted bookshop too, so I got that and it smells nice, maybe you fags are alright after all heh
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tried some peterson my mixture 965 today
normally i hate english blends, but this wasn't bad at all; i'd mistake it for a pure virginia if i didn't know better
i don't see myself smoking it again, but it was nice to try it out
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If I may weigh in here, I'm a lifelong english mixture smoker and British/Irish made english mixtures are nearly always what i'd call latakia bombs. Im talking Dunhill night cap and the Peterson mixtures. They are intentionally heavy and full bodied and best enjoyed after a nice meal with a glass of cognac or whatever and are by no means all day smokes.
For that reason I ended up with the Schürch mixtures, because Hans makes about 15 different english mixtures alone and he makes them in different weight classes, some meant to be all day smokes. mix 128 is just high end virginias touched up with only a dash of perique and latakia, 406 and 407 have burley and cavendish in the mix, smoke light and creamy, and you get those "oh but this smells so nice" comments from non smokers all the time, 129 is a heavyweight with java leaf in and it still is more round than nightcap.
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just got this today, never owned a calabash before though; to those who've had a calabash pipe, does this seem right?
>always let fully cool before any disassembly
>gently twist bowl off when disassembling
>do not knock or hit the bowl
>use anhydrous lanolin grease on the cork seal around every 3-6 months or when it is dry
>keep the outside of the gourd protected with soft wax
>air dry pipe with bowl & stem separated after every smoking session for at least 1 day
>after every smoking session, gently wipe down the insides with a paper towel & pipe cleaners to remove condensation
>do not allow tar/carbon buildup in the gourd's cavity
>treat the inside of the gourd's walls gently
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>>2858835
I remember paying 10 Swiss francs per 50g tin some years ago if that helps. I guess it really is hard to get when you're not in my neck of the woods.
>>2858827
What a lovely pipe. Seeing that gourd made me think of my mate calabash, so tonight I'm gonna find out if yerba mate pairs well with a pipe.
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>>2858367
They aren't quite as fragile as people make them out to be, but they can break if dropped on a hard surface.
I've broken a couple (at the stems) and was able to fix them with glue. I used regular CA for one and a special ceramic glue for the other. Both have stayed in one piece after several months without any issues. If it shatters into several pieces it's probably best just to replace it, but I am sentimental about my pipes so I'd probably try to fix it anyway.
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>>2858827
My only complaint with my Austrian-made gourd galabash is that I have a hard time lighting such a wide but shallow bowl. It takes me 3x as long to get a good cherry, but after that it's a pleasure to smoke.
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how has the cold treated you guys?
everything where i'm at is frozen solid, can't even open the doors to the truck
plenty of snow of course, but a lot of it is just packed ice rain, as opposed to actual snow
keeps the pipe ultra cool though, which is nice (especially with a stinger insert)
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>>2859191
Choosing smaller 20-minute bowls and kind of rushing through the last 1/3 when my fingers start to go numb.
Anything under 15F doesn't really feel relaxing to sit still in for that long, especially when the wind picks up. This shit has me pricing out electric vests and propane heaters.
Can't beat that late night snowfall peace and quiet, though.
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>>2859262
keeping hands warm while staying nimble enough to use a czech tool is a struggle.
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>>2859532
full acrylic stem, no insert, very solid
it collects moisture well enough too
i am looking to get an army 9mm filter variant though, i wanna stuff a kulu cool into it
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same here, got a pepe army and no problems so far.
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Did Savinelli stop making bings favorites? How come Smoking pipes and a bunch of sites hardly have any in stock.
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I've been enjoying an aromatic called Gowith Pensioner's Mixture lately, have any of you tried it? Strong smell of prunes in the topping. The interesting thing about it is that it's known to vary slightly batch to batch, but only within certain narrow parameters. The topping is always identical. So over the months/years it's been a blend that I not only got a good taste for but also one that keeps offering new flavours.
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>>2858796
It's always humid, damp, wet and cold here in the UK. Well, for 8 months of the year. These are the conditions that suit a Lat bomb English blend well, just like the smell of a fireplace in winter.
965 was one of my first blends, to me it was a revelation because it's so similar to Drum pipe tobacco that I used to smoke. But since then I've tried a few blends in the same genre and can say that it's not "better" than some of the others, but it definitely has that Peterson level of refinement where it becomes a thing of its own compared to the rest. They really really know how to finely balance their flavour profiles.
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>>2860443
Nobody has ever looked cool with a pipe, but that's hardly the point.
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>>2860751
i've seen ugly people who looked cool with a pipe
i think its the look of someone in general, if you don't have a look that fits it, it ain't gonna work. same with the type of pipe you smoke too
a guy wearing an over sized printed T and skinny jeans isn't going to look cool smoking a pipe, but a guy wearing a dress suit probably will
additionally, someone with a long and thin or round and stout face will also look varyingly good, depending on the shape of the pipe they're smoking
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>>2858397
I bought a heat gun and waxed a different pipe. Before, I just used a space heater to melt the wax gently onto the pipe, and I got a pleasant beeswax after taste.
With the heat gun on the different pipe, I didn't get a pleasant taste of the smell of beeswax as an after taste, I got something more like burnt popcorn. Yuck. I guess beeswax is pretty "fragile", I must have burnt it or something with the heat gun somehow. I thought the heat gun would make it easier, and it was easier to apply, but I think I'll be sticking with the space heater method in the future. This weird almost burnt popcorn taste is nasty.
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>>2860796
I smoked in my bedroom one evening and the next morning I could smell hay every time I'd enter the room. It took 2-3 days with the windows open for the smell to be gone and about a week to leave the curtains.
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>>2860888
No, it was summer so I just smoked, cleaned the pipe and went to bed with the windows open. Next day I went to work but I still let the windows open since I live in an apartment complex at the third floor, no burglar's gonna climb when there are easier targets.
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>>2858761
People hyped this blend up so much but it really is meh. If you want a better latakia blend by Peterson check out Balkan Mixture. Despite the name, it doesn’t have oriental leaf; it’s a heavenly blend of latakia, virginia, and perique. Absolute umami bomb.
If you want a “better” version of My Mixture 965 with that Cavendish sugarwater edge, and have access to cornell & diehl blends, try out C&D’s Mississippi Mud. One of the rare instances where I would say the cheap and rough-around-the-edges c&d actually shines. Smells like real funky stuff at first opening of the tin before it breathes (and looks ugly as hell bc it’s a rough-cut ribbon), but as soon as you light it up you’ll get hit with an addictive balanced mellow mixture
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>>2861126
I’m kind of just parroting what everyone else says. It’s a commonly-used phrase to describe C&D but I think it’s a half-truth. If you try other blends such as (spitballing here) Orlik Golden Sliced, Capstan Blue, Mac Baren HH line, you get a sense of high quality leaf where a lot of care and attention has been done with regards to processing, casing, topping, pressing, cutting.
C&D uses a lot of burley in a ton of blends and comes across a bit more cowboy-ish. But they also produce finer tobaccos like the G.L. Pease line and Per G. Jensen’s new line of baccy now that he can’t make mac barren blends anymore (fuck my life). These blends are pretty much completely up-to-par with the higher quality offerings out there. For their mainline stuff though, C&D just likes taking “pretty good” leaf of good enough quality and shoving it into quick and crummy looking flakes and weak crumble cakes and selling it ASAP. I’ve heard they do have high quality offerings, such as their special-release Carolina Red Flake (i’ve never tried it) that supposedly is the highest quality virginia grade they have and people claim it stands right up there with the absolute best tobaccos
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>>2861129
And sorry I got distracted and completely skirted your second question lol. Not sure what you’re tastes are, but if you want to expand out and build up the cellar and not break the bank too much, try out:
Orlik golden sliced, GL Pease gaslight, peter stokkebye luxury navy flake (and peter stokkebye luxury bullseye flake if you want a more “natural” option whose taste doesn’t lean into any topping or casing flavor), peterson balkan mixture or peterson nightcap (nightcap has gotten expensive recently though sorry).
If you’re further interested in more blends try peterson elizabethan, erik stokkebye evening flake (it’s like luxury navy flake but even more expressive and still cheap as a bulk), c&d bayou morning flake.
I’m not a burley guy so I can’t give suggestions there. But I do love dark fired kentucky, if you want to dip your toes in that try GLPease Six Pence or Jackknife Plug
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Very casual smoker here, I only do it at weddings and funerals as a small personal habit with a fairly cheap Savinelli zulu. At my uncle's funeral last year I was informed my grandfather's brand (Condor ready rubbed) which I always remember him smoking as a kid but never knew what it was. He died of lung cancer when I was still very young so I don't have much of a memory of him, other than the smell, so I thought I'd help honour him at the wedding with his brand. Don't worry, the lung cancer was probably from the chemicals he inhaled in North Africa during the war, not smoking. I mentioned a long time ago in one of these threads that I was looking to get a pack to smoke at my wedding, and someone kindly here pointed me in the right direction of a decent website to get from. I'll be getting married in a couple of weeks and just thought I'd pass on my thanks. Hoping you're all well.
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Any fanatical Burley lovers out there? Can’t seem to fall in love with it. Haunted bookshop and old joe krantz just come off as too nasty. I got a tin c&d’s Watson wintertime reserve, which is usually their higher-grade stuff from what I understand. But still it just smells so funky and gross. Let me know if there are any higher-quality recs worth trying. I’ve been eyeing Erinmore and Wessex burley slice.
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>>2861303
Congratulations!
>>2861476
Everytime I give burley another chance, I can't help but think "this must be what cigarettes taste like". Pegasus is the only one I've liked so far, it has a taste very reminiscent of cocoa noted cigars with its 3to2 burley/virginia mix. Haunted Bookshop was alright with a cup of coffee.
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>>2861483
Yup burley is just too evocative of a cheap ciggy to me as well. I like the more rich profiles of Virginias and VaPers. My little confession, though, is that I do find Half & Half to be okay. I got a big tub of it for cheap from an indian reservation shop lol. But I suppose it’s apropos as Lucky Strike is just about the only cigarette I’ve ever tried that I sort of liked. And at one point they were blended with the same tobacco (not sure if that’s still the case, probably not)
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>>2861476
So burley is a bit tricky for me. I actually really like Haunted Bookshop, but most of C&D’s other burley offerings aren’t for me. However, I’ve found European-blended burley (which is usually grown in Africa or the Caribbean) to be of better flavor. Not only does it have more flavor, but the flavor profile is different. European burley tastes like how many coffee blends taste, but without any of the harshness or stale-tasting notes. It’s earthy, semi-sweet, woody, with just a bit of nuttiness. Examples of that would be Cobblestone Hiking, Solano Aged Burley Flake, Wessex Slices, and HH Burley Flake, all of which are unfortunately hard to come by or discontinued in HH Burley Flake’s case. C&D’s burley is nutty and bitter. It doesn’t have much flavor other than a walnutty bitterness. Every once in awhile you’ll get a woody note or an earthy note, but the overall profile is very nutty.
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I want to purchase some C&D tobaccos just due to the art on the tins.
Unfortunately, most of them are latakia and flake which I have too many of.
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>>2861748
I've bought a few estate pipes and they've been alright.
One I had to smoke a nasty ghost out of for like a month, but I love that pipe now. When I got it, it still had like a quarter of a bowl left in the pipe for some reason, who knows how long that had been there, and I think it was a lakeland blend because the ghost was sort of like slightly rotten grandma's perfume or herbal tea. Another pipe I've gotten seemed like it had maybe never been smoked, so everything was fine from the start. And another has the typical like "old man" or "leather" smell to it, the pipe itself actually smells pretty good, but the ghost in the pipe is weird. I barely smoke it at all because of that, but I think the ghost is almost gone now.
Anyway, if you really like the pipe and it's cheap enough, it might be worth getting. Worst case scenario, you have to smoke a ghost out of it for like a month. Or, I guess the worst worst case scenario is that the ghost never leaves.
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>>2861751
no such rule of thumb
i personally restore pipes of many states, from practically brand new to looking like they were cleaned with dogshit
go ahead & get it, but don't expect it to be in great condition though
you're basically guaranteed to need to sand the stem, since its been unprotected for so many years, becoming oxidized
small burnouts in the bowl are common too, but a little pipe mud goes a long way for that, so its basically a non-issue
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quick question, i'm a bit interested in trying out pipe smoking, i see the appeal, but i'm slightly worried about the nicotine addiction thing, do some of you occasionally smoke like once a week or is the chemical craving a slippery slope?
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>>2861837
It CAN be, but I would say it’s pretty low with pipe smoking. Nicotine is addictive, but I find when I used to smoke a juul and use zyns I would die and want to scratch my fucking eyeballs out of my face whenever I tried (and failed) to quit, or even just limit myself.
One day I got the flu and my throat got raped for like two weeks so I used it as an excuse to kick nicotine. Like two years ago though I picked up the pipe. The nicotine “hit” (if it can really be called that) is way lower, even with stronger blends… usually you only start to feel the “buzz” like halfway through a slow bowl or even right at the very end, and it’s typically a delayed and slow buildup. But you get the relaxing ritualistic feeling and calmness way before that as you bask in the smells and fragrances and spices and sweetness and sip the flavors and try to pick them out.
Again, nicotine is intrinsically addictive—but with pipes I find it’s a lot closer to caffeine. There are days where I just have a shit day and go
>fuck I need a pipe right now
but it’s more of wanting the two hours of peace more than the nicotine buzz. If it’s too cold or too windy outside I just go
>ehhhh can’t smoke today it would be too annoying, oh well!
I smoke one bowl every day, if able. I just decided on a whim to give it up for Lent and I have had no (psychologically additive) issue. I don’t crave the nicotine, but I’m craving the taste and pleasantries right about now! But am I having withdrawal? No. I find it’s a lot closer to coffee/caffeine than cigarettes and nicotine.
That being said, my personal situation means I can only smoke one time per day and if I were to start smoking two three four bowls a day it might be a little more of a psychological addiction to that nicotine, I imagine: but anecdotally I have heard other people who frequently-smoke multiple bowls a day don’t find it hard to skip days where they don’t smoke at all.
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>>2861837
>i'm slightly worried about the nicotine addiction thing, do some of you occasionally smoke like once a week or is the chemical craving a slippery slope?
Personally, I think coffee/caffeine is a much more addictive substance than pipe tobacco. That's the short version of my opinion.
That said, there's definitely a craving/addiction component to it, but that's not the main draw. I smoke 1 or 2 bowls a day, and if I miss a day I do get some mild cravings, but it's really not a big deal, and by the 2nd day the cravings are gone unless I really think about it. And honestly, the cravings can sometimes feel good in a weird way. If I were to suddenly find myself in a situation where I would not be able to smoke a pipe, I wouldn't even sweat it, whereas if I were still addicted to coffee and were to find myself in a situation where I could not have coffee, I'd be dreading the upcoming headaches. The slow, mellow, and relatively light nicotine buzz is nice, but for me it's more about the ritual of pipe smoking and taking 30-60 minutes out of my day to just zen out, think about nothing (or to ruminate on something in particular if I want), to slow down, and to just enjoy being outside for a while.
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>>2861837
Was hopelessly addicted to e-cigs and now smoke a pipe, it's not something you crave if you miss days or weeks at a time, even going through periods of daily pipe smoking.
Much different experience than sucking on empty pods or running out in the middle of the night for more cigarettes.
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>>2861847
was also a vape user, but unironically stopped because i noticed i smoked my pipe less and enjoyed it less when i did
i gone from every day, intermittently hitting a vape, to around just a few times a week smoking a pipe (and almost never smoking more than once a day)
i don't even like the taste of a vape anymore, i can really feel the way it sits in my lungs now & don't care for it at all
nor do i even like the nicotine-hit from a vape either, i've come to really prefer a pipe over it
i always could have "stopped if i wanted" and whatever, but now i wouldn't even have a single craving besides the literal smell of pipe tobacco alone
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>>2861852
If you’re interested in getting started, my suggestion is going on smokingpipes and ordering a $10 to 20 Missouri Meerscham corn cob pipe. If you want any suggestions on pipe tobacco let us know.
I think most people start with aromatics (such as cornell & diehl’s ‘autumn evening,’ which can be bought in a tin or in bulk)—or if you’re more of a black coffee kind of guy who doesn’t shy away from strong natural flavors, check out virginias–or virginia perique blends (often shortened to “VaPers”)
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I went through a huge Oriental phase, it’s all I wanted at one point. Buttery english blends, virginias with oriental, every oriental blend I could get my hands on. And now I couldn’t care less.
The last four months have been nothing but natural virginias and strong latakia englishes w/o oriental. Funny how your tastes can sometimes swing wildly and you’ll get hooked on a flavor for a while.
Every time winter ends and spring starts bringing in warmer, wetter months as it’s doing now I usually hyperfixate on grassy, bready virginias
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>>2862163
Ahh. I would sporadically get insane tongue bite for the first ~year and a half of learning to really smoke a pipe. Couldn’t figure out if it was moisture or just alkalinity / pH of the baccy, or heat. Ultimately I knew part of the problem was the fact that I was just puffing like a freight train, combined with the fact that I would usually be impatient and not dry my wetter tobaccos (this wouldn’t really burn me but it would definitely make my pipes a gurgling mess.)
Filters helped alleviate the issues for a while, but learning how to properly pack and smoke using the breath method really fixed everything for me. Now I am back to unfiltered pipes, and I can smoke my leaf pretty moist (I prefer it this way) and I don’t get any burns or gurgles.
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Can any vouch for advantages of fold-n-stuff over rubbing out? Some of my favorite blends are flakes and coin cuts. I don’t mind rubbing them into balls and then fluffing them and working them out in to ribbons for smoking. I’ve heard committing to fold and stuff can give you way more flavor, but I’m reluctant to try it. In my head packing a bowl with full flakes makes no sense, how do you get optimal airflow, and how tf are you supposed to light up a dense full flake or coin?!
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>>2862166
i'm mostly enjoying using filters since the weather is uppity lately, so finding a good cadence for an easy smoke is a chore
i smoke aromatics, so having the stingers is really nice (same with filters); recently got a kulu cool though, so its taking some time to work out what blends synergize best with it (so glad my 9mm has a moisture well, the kulu deposits a ton of water)
i prefer a stinger/filter's strained draw too, helps preventing hotrodding when not paying attention
>>2862170
probably would do best to use matches when lighting with that technique, lower temp & more control
i don't think i've done that method myself, but sometimes weird methods work great, like air pocket packing
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>>2862170
It's way easier to grab a flake and shove it in there than to spend a few minutes rubbing one out. Just roll it a bit before you stuff.
It will expand as it burns, trust the process and let it do its thing.
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It amazes me that pipe smoking ever fell out of common favor and practice. I suppose the proliferation of cigarette in the world wars and the growing use of additives and hefty advertising up into the 80s/90s and then the huge mass societal health rejection kind of destroyed any and all leaf tobacco usage.
Pipes are associated now with old men and lord of the rings, a sort of quaint historical phenomenon. But if you actually smoke a pipe for enjoyment (and you aren’t just a tradLARPer or a hobbit cosplayer) you really do have to wonder why such an enjoyable vice isn’t really around anymore. Wonderful craftsmanship on pipes, delicious blends, nice price entry points on cheaper corn cobs and briars and bulk blends to get your foot in the door. It’s meditative, fragrant, relaxing. Ritualistic.
I see it as no different than someone who autistically brew loose tea slowly and methodically to relax. Everyone should have a few pipes and a small cellar.
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>>2862218
i really don't get why people smoke cheapo cigs when pipes are an option either
its more cost effective to smoke a pipe, along with being overwhelmingly more enjoyable
even if you're smoking bottom of the barrel cigarette rolling tobacco, its better in a pipe anyway, so why even use cigs at the point?
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>>2862218
>cigarettes overtake pipe because of convenience
>already more harmful, made even more with additives
>all tobacco products branded because of it
it just strike me as weird how heavily tobacco is legislated against when it's about as harmful as alcohol long term, here in france it have it's own massive tax and it can't be sold online, only licensed shops
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>>2862218
I don't understand it either. You can get 4oz of bulk for the price of just one pack of cigarettes, while the pipe tobaccos tastes infinitely better, is more enjoyable, and also has to be better for you. The only advantage a cigarette has over a pipe is that it's quicker, more convenient, and for some reason it's more socially acceptable. Cigarettes are basically the fast food of tobacco products.
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Always blows my mind that these things were once one of the most common and widely distributed mass-produced objects on the planet.
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>>2861476
I wouldn't call myself a fanatical burley lover, but I do generally prefer it over virginia. Though I also generally like C&D which is maybe not what other people here like. I also do like Haunted Bookshop, but I didn't think Old Joe Krantz was that great.
Anyway, I might recommend Shandygaff. It's burley, perique, and orientals and I think it blends nicely together. A second possible recommendation, I like mixing 2 parts Haunted Bookshop with 1 part Oriental Silk. I do really like Haunted Bookshop, but it also feels like it has "empty" spots to me in a way, and I feel like the Oriental Silk rounds out the empty spots and enhances both blends, but I guess it's debatable whether or not it's still a burley blend at that point.
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Fell for the meme, it's actually a pretty good aromatic.
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>>2862434
Meh it smells really good and tastes good for the first 10 minutes but dies down quick. I get why it was ordered in bulk for the set of LotR though. Easy to light up, non-offensive, not really a nicotine bomb by any means.
If you’re in to aromatics try Cult Blood Red Moon if you haven’t already yet.
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>>2862434
I feel for the meme early on, and I didn't care for it. Then again, I don't like aromatics that much to begin with. I'm in the camp of people who thinks aromatics basically just taste like hot air (akin to hookah), not really tobacco. Like the other anon said, I do see how people like it though, particularly people who might not have been tobacco smokers prior to the filming of the movie.
The aromatics that I enjoy are the types of aromatics that might not even be listed as aromatics on all the websites. Things where it's like a casing or something rather than a full blown aromatic, where you can still taste the tobacco and maybe only 10-15% of it is "aromatic"
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>>2862434
I fell for the labeling meme.
And now that I started I feel I kinda have to keep it consistent. I have more blends deep cellared, this is my main rotation right now though. (and some stuff I need to throw out like the aromatics which idgaf about)
Its admittedly a little gay to do it this way, but it is aesthetically pleasing
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>>2862440
keeping things nice and tidy isn't a meme
might as well optimize space using one of these wine furniture
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>>2862444
Yup I keep meaning to get something like this for tidy storage.
Also pic is worth posting. I think there is a sort of addictive nature to wanting to buy all the blends that everyone always talks about. Peterson, c&d, ashton, HH, etc etc etc etc. I think it’s worth it [for the sake of trying as much as you can]
but ultimately the end goal should be trying to narrow down to like 5-10 blends you truly really care about. You don’t have to expand your cellar all at once. Buy a few blends every few months, take it slow, and go back and re-try blends to see if your tastes have changed or shifted.
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>>2862170
got some Golden Sliced Orlik, folded a couple planks in half against the grain & made a rough cylinder
it fit well enough into the bowl with some excess having to be pulled out, otherwise packed tight but airy; lit very well and would stay so while smoking cool
would recommend, 10/10 packing method
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>>2856593
Never underestimate how much a different pipe can affect the flavor and smoking experience of a blend. My giant Sav XL Canadian really brings out a different character from G&H Dark Flake (U/S) than my little Georg Jensen. More subtle, more spice, and that faint floral ghost of the old Lakeland comes forward a bit more, which is not a bad thing for me. Does anyone ever dedicate a pipe to a particular blend or family of blends?
I'd like to know the science behind the differences in flavor
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>>2862487
It's just a tiny fire, after all.
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>>2862487
Yeah, that was one of the more overwhelming parts of being a newbie pipe smoker when I first started. Not only do you need to have a few bowls to really get a feel for a blend, you have to have a few bowls in each pipe you own to figure out what works best. That being said, I figured out pretty quickly that slightly tall, narrow chambers work best for most blends for me. I don't care much about nuance and complexity. I care more about intensity of flavor, and narrow, tall bowls provide a more concentrated flavor.
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>>2862518
Right?! The closest I've found to Elizabethan in bulk is C&D Three Friars. It's Virginia and Perique with a touch of burley. I thought the burley would throw it off, but it just adds a toasty-ness that strangely makes it reminiscent of Elizabethan. Still, it doesn't taste exactly like Elizabethan. Even the Elizabethan Match from Sutliff didn't taste anything like modern Elizabethan (though a lot of old timers said it was very close to Murray's-produced Elizabethan which they claim is superior). 4th Generation Evening Flake came kinda close as well, but it was missing something.
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>>2862538
>slightly tall, narrow chambers
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>>2862487
I generally prefer everything that I smoke (mostly blends with at least some Perique) in the widest bowled pipe that I have. It's not even that much wider, most of my pipe bowls are around 2cm in diameter, and yet the one that is definitely, ever so slightly the widest is the one that I prefer. I don't know if there's maybe more "aeration" in the slightly wider bowl or if it's just some inexplicable personal preference, but everything I like seems to taste the best out of that one.
>>2862561
>It varies by brand but it's only around 12% tobacco.
Damn, no wonder they don't taste or smell anything like tobacco. What else do they even put in it? Is it just straight chemicals?