>>2861109
there is nothing wrong with it.

>>2861110
Biodiversity is a good thing if you care at all about /out/

>>2861109
plant some fucking trees yourself?

>>2861109
it doesn't need fixing

>>2861109
I need to thin my woods and i have oak, hickory and elm on it. Is there any point in leaving the hickory and elm? having it logged is part of my retirement plan and im not sure if hickory is logged.

For me, it is deciduous forests, the best type of forest.

>>2861109
I'm afraid this map just isn't correct.

>>2861138
do you have evidence to state otherwise?

>>2861109
Eliminate 99.5% of the global human population.

Also eradicate the detritus of industrial civilization.

Wait a minimum of one thousand years.

>>2861109
Whats the issue?

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>>2861112
Good thing tree diversity is not the only kind of biodiversity

>>2861109
Kudzu will fix this and take over the east coast

>>2861140
nta but its a ridiculous chart
what defines a tree? how big are the areas that its looking at? if its looking down to square feet then of course its going to only have one species in it. if it looks at square miles than having only one tree is much more interesting but still not crazy
the chart is trying to say that the entirety of nevada has only half a dozen tree species in it but then doesnt define a tree

>>2861109
there's nothing to fix, homogenous trees perfectly symbolizes a homogeneous society that one day we might be able to achieve, god bless

>>2861112
miss me with that globalist bullshit

>>2861146
What kind of cacti grow on the Canadian border?

>>2861109
No. But we can pour carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, cause climate change that the fauna is unprepared for and make it worse. How doe that sound?

>>2861186
small prickly pear and pincushion cacti are there and in canada on the plains

>>2861177
There won't be a response to this.

>>2861187
one volcanic eruption spews more carbon into the air than the entire history of the combustion engine

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>>2861112
Indeed.

>>2861187
>cause climate change that the fauna is unprepared for and make it worse
10,000 years ago half the USA and most of Canada was under a fucking mile of ice
I think they;ll be just fine

>>2861199
no

>>2861132
>part of my retirement plan
You'll only make money off of pine.
Oak and hickory will only be logged once in your lifetime.

>>2861109
Notice that this is also where the blacks live. They long to retvrn to monkee

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>>2861198
Me irl

>>2861187
Car has what plants crave. It's got carbon dioxide.

>>2861109
what the fuck kind of range is "between 1 and 138" with nothing labeled in-between? also there isn't a single state in the country that doesn't list dozens species of local trees when you search "types of trees in [state]"

>>2861210
It's also just trees and not any other vegetation

>>2861177
>>2861190
So you have no real evidence and are butt mad that your shitty state (NV) doesn't have actual trees and instead is largely barren and shrubbed. Got it!

>>2861215
Not him but I fucking hate trees. I like to be outside not inside, meaning be able to see for miles, not like 20 feet at a time. With trees everywhere you may as well just be inside.

>>2861217
absolute state of fatties on /out/

>>2861218
>walking 12 feet through a babby eastoid park
>whoa look at the trees identical to the ones in my back yard
>good thing i brought my trekking poles for this 200ft mountain

>>2861109
Deciduautist strikes again

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>>2861198
based

>>2861109
Nothing is broken. The Sahara is >0. That's just variable climate.

>>2861112
OP's map is for tree diversity, not biodiversity. Obviously there are fewer species in mixed forests and coniferous forests of the NE then the swamps of the south and far fewer trees in the plaines and desert of the west then the forests of the east coast.

I basically have no idea what OP thinks the actual problem is.

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I traveled out west once. It was crazy to see the same Doug Fir tree just copy pasted everywhere like that. Here in New England we have dozens of trees with different characteristics and uses. Some produce edible nuts. Some are excellent for making bows and arrows. Some produce bark that is ideal fire tinder. Some are light but reasonably strong for construction. Some produce boughs that are good for shelter craft. In the East your whole life as an outdoorsman revolves around understanding trees. Seeing places that have no trees or just one or two species of weak softwoods was a big culture shock and I don't know how early humans even survived in places like that. You need good wood.

The east coast has always seemed like "real" nature to me, where biological life is well adapted and winning, whereas the West is like this place where life is struggling to survive because of altitude and lack of water. That's the impression I get.

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>>2861109
This is weirdly accurate to my experience. Northwest Indiana is peculiarly rich in arboreal variety. I used to live within easy walking distance from a 600 year old oak, and 3 minutes drive from a nature preserve of dizzying variety. Even in densely developed Munster, there are some easements of ridiculous botanical range, mostly accidental as that goes.

>>2861324
My guess is that it's a consequence of being pinned directly under Lake Michigan in the path that warm/cold fronts usually take out of the northwest. That little corridor gets a shit ton of rain/snow, I drive through it all the time.

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>>2861322
No idea where you travelled out west but it sounds like you weren't out there much. In Southern Oregon I see plenty of different trees. Fruit trees, nut trees, hardwoods, soft woods you name it. I have a feeling a lot of east coast people must not be able to tell the difference between different species of conifers either I constantly hear about how they think all the trees look the same. Red cedar, fir, pine, hemlock etcstera do not look the same if you have any knowledge of trees at all. Even in higher elevations up in the Cascades I'll find a variety of trees ranging from Madrones, to Elder, to Maples, to Firs, to Cedars, to Chestnuts. That's just the trees, and that is off the top of my head of what I would see on one trail. Not to mention the uncountable varieties of wild flowers, grasses, shrubs, ferns, fungi, lichens, birds, mammals, lizards, snakes, frogs, salamanders and what have you. I hiked in that area for years and still continue to find things I haven't seen before. And I can visit hundreds if different kimds of landscapes with different biological and geological makeups from low altitudes to high altitudes, be it in the volcanic mountains of the Cascades or down in the marshes and foothills and meadows in the valleys, or in the rugged rolling hills of the Siskiyous they all have a prettt diverse biological makeup and they are all different from each other. It genuinely seems like east coasters have a pretty shallow view of how it is out west.

Picrel is all the same tree copy pasted. It was the first relecant picture on my phone I could find

>>2861345
Oregon is completely different because it's on the other side of the Rockies. Most of the West is barren because the Rockies block moisture bearing clouds.

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>>2861322
>there is only one kind of tree out West
lol

>>2861355
>Most of the West is barren because the Rockies block moisture bearing clouds.
>the Great Plains are the West.

>>2861355
>Most of the West is barren because the Rockies block moisture bearing clouds.
Moron
>>2861366
Even this isnt true, the rockies dont really have a rainshadow effect. Most of the moisture comes from the northwest along the spine or southwest through the driest areas from the monsoon and focuses on the mountains, and some from the big systems on the plains.

The sierra nevada on the other hand do create a large rainshadow known as Nevada

>>2861372
Why is there some Nevada-obsessed autist derailing the entire thread?

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Under-apprecieated in the discussion of land diversity is endemic species. Even in places like>>2861324 there may be great diversity but there isn't really anything there that you can't find anywhere else.
But in california, with some of the highest number of endemic species as well as high diversity, you can spend a lifetime and never see them all. Each park, blm parcel, ranger district, wilderness all have their own endemic wildflowers even if separated by a single ridge

>>2861372
>the rockies dont really have a rainshadow effect
this is not really accurate. 85% of CO precip falls west of the Divide.

>>2861374
Sounds endemic bro

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>>2861374
Big fan of looking for endemic species in the northwest. I visit all around northern California and southern Oregon and there's almost always a new one to find if I go somewhere new.
Picrel is Dwarf Wooly Meadowfoam endemic to the area around the Table Rocks about 5 minutes from where I work

>>2861373
>derailing is when you actually know what you're talking about
This guy is 1000% more /out/ than OP.

ANOTHER EAST COAST WIN
WEST COAST CHUDS BTFO

>>2861411
there isnt even a nevada guy kek
im the one that posted the first mention of it (its the only american state i know thats mostly blue in ops photo), and the other anon that mentioned it isnt me
theyre seeing ghosts basically

>>2861324
Confirmed. How often you go to dragon bowl btw?
>>2861374
https://youtu.be/R2xnBD8LrY0?si=8_U7fWXTAeX2shNw
You can add fuck captcha on that list, too.

>>2861413
Well then individually you are each 500% more /out/ than OP.

>>2861443
Nta but OP also gets minus points for being retarded and clearly demonstrating that he just doesn't go outside. Those two are 2000% more /out/ than OP. Anyone can glance at OP's infographic and go "Wait a minute...". Notice that OP didn't even answer any of the pertinent questions anyone asked.

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>>2861355
>Oregon is completely different
>NOOOO you cant talk about the PNW forests -thats cheating
>picking and choosing what is "the west"
This is a deliciously fine example of Eastoid cope. Truly desperate lol

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>>2861456
I think this cope is hilarious especially due to the fact that the PNW is in fact farther west than their very narrow definiton of western /out/. It's like all they know about the US west of Missouri are John Wayne movies.

>>2861217
just say you're not white

>>2861395
Beautiful

>>2861458
I think you have to keep in mind that the average poster here doesn't really get out much. Unfortunately there are a lot of posts here that indicate people don't have any familiarity with /out/ activities. It's a stretch for an eastcoper to imagine what the West is like, let alone attempting to imagine what /out/ would be like. It's kind of sad to see people fumble like that, honestly.

>>2861412
is it delusion or cognitive dissonance?

>>2861109
Why is OP so gay?

>>2861109
Chop baby chop
Until the east looks like the west

>>2861377
Thats because there are mountains west of the divide for the precip to fall on but not east. no rainshadow effect because the mountains do not block the precip from crossing. They bring the precip. The front range is lusher on the east side than the west, and the most common summer storm pattern in that area is for the storm to form over the front range and then roll off east to the plains

>>2861710
they literally did that
the most amazing part of the east is that the forests often regrow themselves
though sometimes they don't and you are left with fucking bushes/scrub

>>2861112
Bio diversity for the sake of bio diversity is as retarded a notion as it gets. Do you have a functional ecosystem with a complete food chain? Does your ecosystem go through proper cycles according to your climate, and geography?

>>2861735
you make zero sense whatsoever. the front range and all of the western mnts of CO are much wetter than the plains to the east which it rain shadows.

>summer storm pattern
The rockies of CO get most of their precipitation in winter.

>>2861690
I thinks cuz the deciduos tree dude likes to pull shit out of his ass then gets butthurt when people call him on it.

>>2861792
there's far more rage by people who feel compelled to defend coniferous zones...

>>2861791
You have no idea what you are talking about. The whole state gets most of its precip in the summer. The front range gets nearly 4 times as much precip in august as it does in february. On the other side the san juans get about twice as much precip in july as they do in feb.
Also, Limon, CO, out in the middle of the plains in the east, gets more precip yearly than Cortez or Grand Junction in the west.

>>2861365
Oh shit, I didn't know the forests in Nevada looked like this.

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>>2861841
Your map shows the driest parts of the state to be....in the western half lmao. The precip is all just concentrated around the mountains, not on one side of them. There is even a lot of green southeast of denver which is east of the mountains.

And yes the state does get most precip in the summer. Pic is Co springs, jan to dec then the total. That pattern is consistent across the state, with some in the west also getting a lot in april/may. Try to find me any climate data for a town in CO that has the most precip in the winter, just try. You realise a foot of snow isnt a foot of precip right?

>>2861740
>Bio diversity for the sake of bio diversity is as retarded a notion as it gets
Boy I sure love driving a hundred miles and still seeing the same plants
I love going on vacation to a different state and still catching the same bass and bluegill I can catch at home

>>2861892
Ah yes, the only thing that matters in a natural environment. MY enjoyment.

OP is a retard and so are you.

>>2862060
Let's ignore that north america was covered by a glacier only 10,000 years ago and has only barely recovered from it

>>2861186
I found a prairie prickly pear cactus patch happily growing a few hundred feet from the Wisconsin River
It was the first wild cactus I had ever seen, I was very surprised. I had no idea cactus grew anywhere near my state

>>2861109
Trees don't grow in the desert because sand & rock and extremely dry

>>2862384
They do actually, and this map is density of different species not density of trees

>>2861109
No, biodiversity isn’t a binary thing, it’s linked to the geography, climate, etc. you can’t just say “I want more biodiversity.”

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>>2862420
>you can’t just say “I want more biodiversity
Yes you can. Nature isn't perfect.
Half the US was covered in a glacier in the last ice age. Plants and animals are expanding their range every year and colonizing new places.
Many coastal rivers that drain into the ocean barely had any freshwater fish until fish stocking programs.

Look at Ascension Island. That literally was a case of people saying "we need more biodiversity" and turning a volcanic rock into a tropical jungle.