>>2862612
Unnecessary for the North Cascades unless you are only able to show up on a weekend and only want to go somewhere like Sahale.

>>2862614
my climbing partners are too cucked by their 9 to 5's to take off the middle of the week and gamble for a walk up permit :(

>oi mate you have a licence to walk here
land of the free btfoed

>>2862616
These are for backcountry camping. And they are necessary for certain spots because they become overcrowded without them.

>>2862612
kek do they really force you to get a permit for a giant mountain range?

>>2862618
>North Cascades
>becoming overcrowded
Try again.

>>2862612
do you have to seriously draw a hiking license these days? lmao

>>2862839
I said certain spots. Like the Sahale glacier camp.

That place would be overrun without permits.

>>2862840
Gatekeeping the average retard from the best parts of national parks is a good thing

>hiking in the west is so much better than in the east
>but if you want to do anything remotely fun or popular you need to pay a 20+ dollar daily entry fee and/or apply for a permit a year in advance that only is good for one specific day and you have to hike only on that day or you get arrested
lol

>>2862846
(1) It is a national park
(2) Permits are only for backcountry camping, not dayhiking

There are plenty of places that are not national parks and do not require permits of any kind.

>>2862848
maybe they should add more sites

>>2862849
It isn't about adding sites. It is that there are few particular sites which are very popular. There are many places you can randomly backcountry camp in the park, they just aren't as popular because they either don't have equivalent views or have equivalent views but are much more difficult to get to.

>>2862852
Most of the north cascades is wild with only very few developed, maintained trails. The rest of the trails that exist are steep unmaintained climbers trails.

>>2862852
it is literally about adding sites if there were 10x as many campsites you wouldn't need a lottery

>>2862853
build more trails
build more campsites
nature shouldn't be about keeping people out at risk of arrest

>>2862854
>it is literally about adding sites if there were 10x as many campsites you wouldn't need a lottery

No it isn't. The backcountry "campsites" here are not actually developed campsites in any sense. It is just an area you are allowed to camp, and because of natural terrain features, there are only so many spots in these areas you could reasonably pitch a tent.

>>2862858
flatten the land and build shelters out of wood or metal