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>>4499288
Lmao

>>4499288
>have meme camera
>want a meme camera that's close enough in quality that theres no real reason to get it
suffering

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>>4499291
i love AI so much, its so much better than the real thing

I really fucking hate modern phone cameras. Everything looks like fucking paintings with the amount of AI slop processing denoising involved.

>>4499288
I'm old enough to remember there was a time where the difference between the camera on a phone and a DSLR was night and day. Now there's barely a difference for 99% of the time. What a time to be alive.

>>4499306
>Now there's barely a difference for 99% of the time.
The moment you crop it or view it on anything larger than a smartphone screen it's night and day. You can't beat physics, no matter how much AI cope you use.

I really want Nikon to make a 35mm f2 SE lens. Same size as the 28 and 40 se lenses. Or make a 35mm 1.8s mkii that's shorter. I can live with it being f2 instead of 1.8 if they can make it smaller.
I don't like 40mm, but I love 35mm and 50mm.
I like the 28 too, but I would prefer a really good, but compact 35mm with autofocus that's at least f2.
Is it unrealistic to have a lens like that in that size that also has nice image quality?
The 1.2 is comically large and expensive.

Can someone tell Samyang that, yes, actually, you CAN put aperture rings on autofocus lenses.
Might sound like alien technology to them, but it indeed is possible.

>>4499313
>I still can't be happy and have to yearn for something that doesn't exist instead of using all the many options that do 90% or that I want
Sad

>>4499336
>No you can't have a dream lens while also using the stuff you already have, or talk about gear in the gear thread
You don't get anywhere in life with stagnating mindsets like that anon. I'm simply thinking out loud about what I hope Nikon will release in a compact and affordable 35mm lens.

>>4499338
You don't get anything in life whining about stuff that doesn't exist because you can't be happy with what you have already either

>>4499339
I literally said I'm using the stuff I already have without whining you dweeb. I have a modest amount of gear and use all of it. I'd just like a good and compact native z mount 35mm lens around f2

>>4499339
It's not that deep, why are you bitching? It doesn't even affect u LMAO

>>4499338
Nikons entire business model right now is 30% selling pixel peeping excellence to snoy gmaster prosumers that cant afford snoy gmasters, 70% pretending to be a cinematography brand

The zf is another df, an ill considered poorly designed one off that will never fit into their overall philosophy
The zr is not a sign of a consumer/hobby photography trend. It is a copy of the sony fx series video body. There is no shutter and viewfinder having version to come.

Japan HATES you if you think hobby photographers deserve good small full frame kit like they had before DSLRs. To them, it is insulting. It’s like a rice farmer saying he deserves all three swords meant for a samurai. It is like a catholic buying a shinto shrine and turning it into a lunch cafe. They genuinely despise what you want. They will only do the bare minimum to take your money and leave you disappointed so you either get into pro gear and justify the absurd expense and bulk by being a pro (or look as stupid as they think you are!) or downgrade to the disposable crop sensor shitter they think you deserve.

The fact that the a7c line exists at all is a miracle… and they hobble it with arbitrarily worse points than the aps-c cameras because again, if you think hobbyists and casuals deserve to use full frame on the daily, they hate you as much as they hate the idea of a farmer peasant using a famous katana to chop wheat.

Their culture is based entirely on disdain and hatred creating submission and apologetics socially and pure hedonism sexually. The japanese… are not good people.

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>>4499288
> It's 2022
> Have a Canon 5Dmk4 at 2x the exposures it's rated for
> tell myself: use it until it breaks before upgrading
> fast forward 2026, fucking 4 years later
> 5x the exposures it's rated for
> still not broken

when will this thing fucking break I want to upgrade

>>4499348
Why do you need to upgrade? U can shoot professionally easily with a 5d2...

>>4499346
starting to think this guy is sexually attracted to the a7c

snoysexual

>>4499348
>>4499349
I would upgrade for the sole reason that at 5x exposures it could to break any moment. Kinda sucks taking it on vacation or to a shooting knowing maybe you have only pics of the first half of the vacation.

I saw a video where some guy boughted a 5d something or the other that had been used for taking photos of people at some amusement park ride and it had a bazillion exposures and worked perfectly fine. A lot of it has to do with how it is used as well. A lot of those "my (brand name) camera broke after just x amount of shots" type posts are probably quite often from clumsy people who do stupid things with their gear but won't admit it.

>>4499349
Please tell me you're the only one glazing the 5Dmk2 constantly here, right? There cannot be multiple autists with this autistic hyperfixation.

There simply is no reason to shoot a 5Dmk2 in 2026. The last-gen of DSLRs is so laughably cheap on the used market. Why would you use a worse camera willingly.

>>4499355
Yeah, my first camera was a 3-digit canon. I think 500D or 600D or something like that. It literally had more digits than what it was rated for. Orders of magnitude quite literally.

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>>4499356
yip, the gear problem is solved

>>4499309
>t.pretentious boomer that hasnt used a smartphone in 20 years

>>4499372
even the best phones today struggle to even really resolve 5-7mp, mine does boatloads of ai upscaling on close up or macro shots, anything further than a few meters doesnt get ai upscaling or not at all and looks like shit even b4 reaching 80% peep, also not a fan of the oil painting or melting plastic look, i feel like the nokia N8 or that there old kodak 3.2mp put out far more pleasing images than modern phones

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>>4499291
>>4499299
>hauling around a big-ahh, overpriced unc mirrorless with a 35mm prime like it’s 2012
>tryina get a close-up of the moon
>gotta go home, fire up the dusty unc desktop
>open that “free trial” that’s been charging you $19.99 a month
>just to crop the pic into a crispy 0.3MP potato
>all that just for the moon to look like a blurry skittle in the sky

>>4499374
Is this the true power of the boomer zoomer?

>>4499353
Shutter counts are a meme, 5D shutters dont break unless you do something wrong or ur talking about the mk3.

>>4499356
5d2s are the best price per performance period. End of story. You can bitch and moan all you want but it just makes you look assmad and retarded. Sorry. Just hard facts.

>>4499386
>You can't use an easily identified and understood statistic to make broad assumptions about something just because it's easy.
Hold on anon, you'll be subject to bitchfits for the rest of the thread if you make a statement like that. Next you'll tell me that my 24/7 webcam DSLR set to 4k30 with 13 on the shutter count is actually NOT worth 90% of its new value.
>5d2s are the best price per performance period
And yet every second anon itt will complain that it's too old and big. Big sad.

>>4499388
>complain that it's too old and big. Big sad
I don't understand this. No builder who carries a drill all day buys a drill based on weight. The difference between a really lightweight mirrorless camera and a really heavy DSLR is still under 1kg. What are you people eating? A healthy adult male should not even be able to discern the difference in weight between these two things. I stg you niggas are buying carbon fibre cutlery cus silverwear is too heavy.

>>4499306
I think they used to pretty much be on par with each other in the 2010s but I think the gap in quality has increased again because of mirrorless and full frame being more common. My Pixel 2XL and a DSLR of the same time was pretty much the same image but phones have now started relying more on AI and other fuckery that oversharpens images (so they look like oil paintings now) and DSLR is gradually being replaced with mirrorless full frame and aps-c.

But put either one on a phone and it doesn't matter. Loading it up on a laptop or anything with a screen bigger than 8" and you'll see a lot of diffeneces. Also every phone camera seems to be HDR by default now, whereas it was optional before.

>>4499313
Yeah me too. Along with a z7iii that has exspeed 7 AF. Nikon is a dumb company obsessed with birders though.

Zf + Leica adapter, X-pro, or pony up the extra $$$ for a real m240?
Let's be real, I could tell you a bunch of shit about all the different styles of photography I do, but I want something for travel, day in the life stuff of friends/family, portraits, etc. To the extent that I'll ever do any pro work it's gonna be portraits, maybe weddings.
No sports, no super fast action, no backs of heads, street photography is tired in the smartphone era
I like the manual controls, don't mind manual focus, but the added versatility on the Zf seems like it could be a plus, if I ever actually need autofocus, zoom lenses, etc.
I know I should just buy a d780 and some af-s lenses and never look at a photo forum again, but I just can't vibe with the form factor.
Should probably just learn to shoot film, but idk

>>4499416
Just read this as "I want to look cool to zoomettes, maybe do some photo work for people I know at the gym, but for some autistic reason I refuse to buy a Sony or a normal camera"

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>S O U L in 2026
Canon chads we are so back!!

>>4499299
Of all the sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these, "cANON was right again".
>tfw you realize the Moon landing was made up to cover up some shady shit (Vietnam, Kennedy assassination) they did in the 60s just like they were now keeping everyone distracted with much Epstein files so that they'd care less about getting into another war

>>4499346
>Their culture is based entirely on disdain and hatred creating submission and apologetics socially and pure hedonism sexually. The japanese… are not good people.
As opposed to it being centered around niggers? You burn cities down for criminal niggers who die in altercations with the police. People say Martin Luther and you don't think of the father of the Protestant Reformation, you think of the nigger. You have made up holidays for niggers. A month a year, your entire curriculum at school is devoted to niggers. You listen to nigger "music". You see a classic European folk tale and when you make it into a movie, you change it to be about niggers.

>>4499444
Who are you quoting? Did you lose your trip again, cANON? You deranged lunatic, you

>>4499446
>>>/pol/

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>>4499416
I wanted to reply in prev post but I failed to finish the 4 captcha challenges. We are in a bad situations where camera manufactors don't hire actual good designers/engineers and instead keep their shit ass ugly products to build upon. Leica are the only ones that kinda manage to have some beautiful products, though too expensive for me as a poorfag. The Zf is fat and ugly if you take of the retro glasses. Especially with those huge ass Nikon lenses. Even the 40mmf2 looks like horse. Might be good with the adapter but then why not just buy the m240. Or safe a bit for the m10.

Fuji is doing many things right (especially some years ago). I'm always on the fence of buying x-pro but when I look through 1000s of samples on flickr, the aspc photos always feel a bit flat and not as detailed. People tend to throw on their fancy film sims to hide that issue. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. But I'm sure I would always miss that extra bit of full frame IQ when editing in LR. On the other hand no one of my friends/family would see any difference. I'm shooting the Q2 now which is kinda perfect but obviously fixed lens. I'm missing that sweet 50mm focal length and not sure how to solve that issue. There is no other camera speaking to me. A fuji x-pro4 with a new full frame sensor, same body size as before and 2-3 small prime lenses would be a dream..

>>4499418
Yeah there are some people that enjoy their hobby, the tactile feel of a camera and of course also how it is designed and the experience. Let me guess, you are still wearing the same clothes your mother bought to you in middle school?

>>4499465
Pentax

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>>4499470
Come on bruh, what is this abomination.
Last cool Pentax was the Q. Despite the tiny sensor the image quality wasn't much worse than todays fuji apsc

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>>4499478
>Yeah there are some people that enjoy their hobby, the tactile feel of a camera and of course also how it is designed and the experience

>>4499416
>No sports, no super fast action, no backs of heads, street photography is tired in the smartphone era

you are the primary audience for pentax, 2x when you realize vintage lenses from the 70s-90s are dirt cheap and "pentax gearfaggotry" means most of your lenses will be <$100 so its more passive addiction to ebay lurking.

you can get a k-70/kf for $400 if you lurk hard enough, i sold my kf for $400 to fund a $900 k1ii purchase then bought a k-70 with a broken lcd from buyee for $100 + $40 screen a few months later. the real problem is the pricing. i wouldn't pay new pentax pricing lmao.

join the cult.

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>>4499416
Zf is the best practical option
X-Pro's are good knock around / beater cameras

>>4499386
>5d2s are the best price per performance period
Not true. The 5Dmk3 and 5Dmk4 is practically free on the used market, even the R5mk1 are beginning to hit the used market. There is no reason to not use these cameras with much better sensors and AF.

By your logic you could also shoot with a 550D. Why would anyone do that? The sensors are dogshit.

>>4499492
5D2 = $150
5D4 = $1000
Obviously you don't shoot professionally, or have a job, otherwise you'd know that running a business is about keeping costs down. Mark 2 has enough specs that someone like you will hit a skill ceiling before you reach limits of what it will do. Pretty simple.

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>small flashes for small cameras
i used the godox im30 for a while i found it for $30 and it worked great. but then it stopped working. i don't see anyone complaining about these dying for no reason, so i don't know what happened. unit does not power on with fresh batteries. i dunno.

what are the other similar flashes that can be had for around $30? i could buy another one of these or i could look at something else

>>4499350
a7c and variants are unique in the niche they fill:
compact rangefinder-shaped with EVF and grip
Full frame yet smaller than comparable offerings like the GX8, which is m4/3.
Smaller than the Z30 which is APS-C and has no EVF.
Smaller than the S9 which is full frame but no EVF or mechanical shutter or grip.

Unfortunately the a7c has Sony's firmware which is programmed by people who apparently have never used a camera outside of automatic modes, and don't bother to test the features they implement.

>>4499496
>its the exposure preview guy
You’re literally the only complainer

No one expects evf previews to be accurate in low light. They aren’t on nikon either. Every photographer ever is used to expecting an overly bright, long/high iso exposure without compensation in the dark. No one uses mf assist with bright monitoring either (neither even exist on nikon and many photographers consider them normally annoying and useless niche features that do not get left on)

The real issue is sony r&d staff is actually photographers, not engineers, so rather than autistically going through everything they test the cameras as experienced photographers would and create something that confuses and angers newbies who have yet to settle in to the correct way to do things, turning on bright monitoring only for certain situations and only using mf assist in the studio or for repeated still lifes and landscapes. On nikon everyone hated mf assist so badly they included zoom in and zoom out buttons.

You know you got a skill issue when your sony issues are also nikon issues

>>4499505
Holy cope. Buy a fucking ad, snoycel.

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>Godox iT32 TTL Mini Flash with X5L Trigger Kit for Leica
when THE FUCK does this ship to my hjouse

>>4499509
>Godox iT32 TTL Mini Flash
Damn, that things looks nice. I like those hard plastic gel accessories too. Now I'm rethinking the V480 I went with.

>>4499509
>No lock switch
>Can be easily bumped off
wtf were they thinking?

>>4499511
>gel accessories
no don't do it
>looks nice
its the concept from the Lightpix Q20II but as a Godox flash. i think it will be very good

>>4499513
i was thinking this also. they say it doesn't bump off easily though, because of how the socket requires you to pull the thing straight out. but i dunno. in any case i am usually putting the flash in my pocket when i am not shooting

>>4499465
NGL, I'm not even gonna deny the "impress zoomettes and take portraits of my friends" thing. What's so wrong with that?

Fully agree about the unhinged new captchas, seriously killing my rate of wanting to comment. Your opinion is also kinda where I'm at with the Zf, the Z lenses just look ridiculous - and unless I explicitly want to do weddings or vlogging, idk if I entirely need it. I guess I'd be able to rent a big bazooka 400mm for the occasions that I want to take sports photos.
Definitely considering the Fujis, especially with the current trend towards lower-fi photos, "the retro look" etc, it's not the highest priority to have the absolute latest and greatest tech. I could just get an x-pro 2 and a 35/1.4 and ignore the rest.

Really, I should just suck it up and shoot film, but dev costs are crazy, home dev is annoying, and you end up doinking around on the computer anyway.

>>4499491
That's a large collection. Also agree with where you're at, Zf is max practicality at the cost of some "romance" or whatever, x-pro is probably more than I need to do travel photos and casual portrait shoots, and Leica is what the heart wants.

>>4499505
>No one expects evf previews to be accurate in low light.
The entire selling point of moving from optical viewfinders to mirrorless with EVF was the ability to get accurate preview images "what you see is what you get".

>sony r&d staff is actually photographers
iphone photographers.

>>4499528
>The entire selling point of moving from optical viewfinders to mirrorless with EVF was the ability to get accurate preview images "what you see is what you get".
To a certain extent. Depth of field, focus, and framing will be perfect, exposure will be reasonably accurate in most cases. However it does have limitation because it has to update the display many tens of times per second.

>>4499534
>Depth of field [preview]
Is a feature in my 1992 SLR
>focus
Basically never misses in said SLR
>framing will be perfect
98.5% viewfinder coverage vs 100% is hardly a big upgrade

The selling points of mirrorless is weight, size, and video bullshit. The EVF is just a necessary evil because without the mirror box you have to have some way to show the photog what he's looking at. You could literally turn mirrorless into a rangefinder and there'd be minimal difference.

>>4499528
A mirrorless cant provide THE preview without a super noisy image or a lot of lag, usually both, below a certain brightness. It happens on all brands. And photographers never noticed because DSLRs basically shot the same in that scenario, and ultra dark shooting is both uncommon and slower paced.

>>4499374
>hauling around a big-ahh, overpriced unc mirrorless with a 35mm prime like it’s 2012
>tryina get a close-up of the moon
Who would ever do this? If you want a picture of the moon you use a telephoto.
It's the fucking moon, you can photograph it from anywhere, it's not going to run away.

>>4499540
Wrong. A 35mm focal is perfectly suitable for moon photography just like it is for any other form of photography. Just use your feet to zoom. It's really not that difficult.

Why is the ZF so much more expensive than the Z5 II? Aren't they basically the same camera? Is it just popularity?

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>>4499540
>heres your casual edc bro!
>oh dont forget your uwa and normal lens too!

>>4499546
You don't have to edc it, you have the moon at home.

>>4499509
So its not a low profile flash anymore like the it30pro... I would rather just use first party speedlite

Is a Nikon Z6 a good buy if it's under $500? Are there any nasty catches?

>>4499554
it's smaller than the v350 and it has a wireless transmitter built into it and it has TTL and high speed sync with Leica which is almost unheard of

>>4499556
Heaps of flashes have wireless transmitters built in. I don't know why they think it needs to split in half to be able to do this.

>>4499494
>5D2 = $150 5D4 = $1000 Obviously you don't shoot professionally
if you shoot professionally with a 5Dmk2 you are scamming your customers.
If it's your job at least have the decency to get an R5mk2. This is embarrassing for you.

>>4499563
>t. le professional hobbyist
Nope. Most customers are as dumb as you and can't tell the difference. You also need to sell your gear and buy something more appropriate for your skill level. Otherwise you'll never reach pro-level talent. Sorry, just hard facts. Pretty simple.

>>4499564
notice how you don't have any arguments and need to pretend to know my skill level? Cameras that are TWO generations behind ARE the entry level for hobbyist.

Camera bodys that are older than that (like a 5Dmk3 or older) are not even appropriate for entry level amateurs - they're for e-waste. Or for vacations with a high likelihood of accidentally smashing them against a rock wall.

For professional work you should at least be on mirrorless fullframes by now.

My bet is you're a smelly indian or other 3rd world country where 150 bucks is actually a lot for you. For middle class europeans or americans, $5k for a camera body + lens is a normal enthusiast hobby budget. I know lots of people that spend way more on their home theatre or equestrian or other such hobby.

>>4499565
>pretend to know my skill level
I do know your skill level because you can't articulate what spec or feature the newer camera has that you require for your shooting that merits an upgrade. I say require, but really we both know it's GAS as you'll never be a professional, like me.

>>4499535
>Is a feature in my 1992 SLR
And isn't all that accurate, especially shallower than around f/2.8 on any DSLR with AF
>Basically never misses in said SLR
As above, if you're trying to manually focus with a lens faster than f/2.8 with the stock focussing screen you're going to have to switch to live view. Also it relies on the focussing screen being accurately calibrated.
>98.5% viewfinder coverage vs 100% is hardly a big upgrade
There are many bodies that are 95%, basically any with a pentamirror instead of a prism. However you're missing the point. I never actually claimed these are massive improvements, simply saying what is and isn't accurate with an EVF.

>>4499565
Just skip the arguing and ask them to show their work

>>4499545
It's not that much more expensive, but yeah, basically same camera internally with just a very different body design, which you are paying for that brass. I dislike the "entry level FF" body designs of a Z5 compared to Z6/7/8.
Zf launched for $2k in 23, and Z5II launched for $1.7k in 2025.

>>4499528
>The entire selling point of moving from optical viewfinders to mirrorless with EVF was the ability to get accurate preview images
For beginners yes, but EVFs offer a lot more than just that. If you aren't a beginner, exposure preview isn't really relevant.

>>4499495
fuck it i ordered an it20

>>4499584
>If you aren't a beginner, exposure preview isn't really relevant.
Actually the opposite. Beginners shoot on auto modes and trust the camera to select the exposure.

>>4499616
If you need to see the preview to know what exposure settings to use, you are still a beginner.

>>4499632
>>4499616
Mirrorless users confirmed unable to rotate apple in their mind.

>>4499508
Notice that the Snoy shill went from denying that the problem exists to saying that Snoy's broken preview doesn't matter.
kek

>>4499637
Now be an honest person and post some positive anecdotes too

>>4499637
lol that X-M5 group puts our RPT to shame, thank you for sharing

>>4499632
>>4499634
>broken basic features in your camera is actually a good thing!
What retarded mental gymnastics is this?

Recommend a cheap DSLR for someone coming from a mirrorless snoy without viewfinder.

>>4499647
>Yes, I am a beginner and I need my crutches

>>4499655
Nikon D69

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look at my latest win /p/ i finally get to use my m42 adapter next is a helios and a takumar 50mm f1.4 (to be fair i already have a fa 50mm 1.4)

i cant tell if thats haze or just a dirty lens it looks like its on the top of the element

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>>4499637
>be pentax-chad
>dont give a shit if it starts raining
lel
>>4499655
Pentax K200D

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>>4499667
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo61t5fH6Qw

>>4499667
>>4499668
Damage isn't always immediately apparent and appears later, which is why so many of these tests are crap.

>>4499670
The only real way to test durability is to put peanut butter on a camera and let a dog lick it off.