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>>529645461
Fuck you i know there is a lot of plane type autists on this board

>>529645673
Maybe it didn't have the proper responder codes for it to determine what the target was.
Could be a software glitch, or hack.

>>529645308
https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/06/01/complex-systems-wont-survive-the-competence-crisis/

i thought the f-15 was invincible

When an anti-air system cannot identify a target due to missing, incorrect, or mismatched Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) transponder codes, the target is generally classified as "unknown" or "hostile" by default. This scenario is a primary cause of friendly-fire incidents and usually results from one of several technical or procedural failures in the IFF system.

Why IFF Systems Fail to Identify Targets
Missing or Incorrect Codes: Modern military IFF systems, such as Mode 5, rely on encrypted, time-sensitive cryptographic keys. If the aircraft's transponder has not been updated with the correct codes, is not functioning, or is turned off, it will not reply to an interrogation.
System Incompatibility: Legacy IFF systems (Modes 1, 2, 3A/C, S) may not communicate properly with newer Mode 5 systems.
Technical Malfunction: The interrogator (radar system) or the transponder (on the aircraft) may fail, leading to no response.
Civilian/Third-Party Aircraft: Civilian aircraft or aircraft not equipped with the specific military IFF system will not produce a "friendly" response, forcing the operator to treat them as unknown.

Consequences of Missing Codes
When an IFF interrogation fails to return a positive reply:
Operator Judgment: The decision to engage falls on the operator and strict Rules of Engagement (ROE).
"Unknown" Classification: The target is typically categorized as unknown, which is often considered a "foe" (hostile) in high-threat environments.
Visual/Alternative Identification: Operators must rely on other methods, such as visual identification or, in very limited, high-stakes cases (like the Phalanx CIWS), fully autonomous systems.
Combat Identification (CID) Failure: The failure of this system can lead to accidental engagement of friendly or neutral aircraft.

I heard one of the pilots was a woman. No surprise.
Guess the shittier pilots get to fly the f15 instead of the f35?

>>529645308
it was probably three planes from the same flight package that had their guard down as they were returning to base and the air defense unit just emptied their battery at them

>>529645976
Who told you that? Some teenager on war thunder?

>>529645810
Is all the air defense automated also is kuwaits air defense just OP or we're all the pilots just not expecting anything. Wouldn't they have early warning signs and be able to perform evasive maneuvers. 3 in one day in Kuwait, a fake country thats just an oil refinery and export hub is wild. I know they all have american Anti Aircraft defenses but that makes it even funnier

>>529646109
>Who told you that? Some teenager on war thunder?
15 year old /k/ meme

Supposedly all 3 airplanes were shot down by MIM-104 Patriot air-to-surface missiles. This system first entered operational service about a decade after the F-15 did.
Kuwait's air force first purchased the MIM-104E PAC-2 air defense missiles in 2010 (and a couple years later purchased some MIM104F PAC-3 missiles). Egypt, Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia and Jordan also operate the system.

>>529646192
I don't know those details.

>>529646109
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>>529645308
american equipment is outdated and weak. china was right again

>>529646617
Why is Kuwait firing at our planes?

>>529645308
The real the question is why the fuck you idiots are flying f-15s around?

>>529646888
I mean it looks like only american AA can take down american planes based off recent history

>>529646941
>watched the first 5 minutes of Dark Night Rises
>Go on AA duty straight after

>>529647004
I think all the F-35s are being used to defend israel unironically

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>>529646617
I guess the Patriot system works after all.

>>529646192
That adds a lot of context to it actually because they're saying that it's friendly fire from Kuwait when the technology is American and it's possible the operators are also American.

In other words America shut down an American airplane by accident. Wouldn't be the first time.

>>529645308
Great, so American AA actually works and Chinese AA is garbage.

What the fuck is going on this year's first quarter!?

>>529646043
This happened to 3 planes? In the same place? With the same AA operator? In a row?
>>529646109
It said to have happened after takeoff. Would you like to re-roll?

>>529647004
Japan is a U.S. colony.
You should lower your tone.

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>>529646494
I need this with a koyaanisqatsi edit.

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>>529646494
>Have you found a reason to fight yet, buuuuuuddy?

>>529646617
Yeah thats bollocks, Iran took em out and your lying government/media came up with the standard friendly fire lie.

>>529647409
>It said to have happened after takeoff
source?

Has Iran made any claims saying they were responsible for downing the jets?

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>>529647602
Worked last time.

>>529647699
couldn't have happened before takeoff

>>529645308
Qatar uses American hardware. Its proof that the only military hardware in the world that's actually reliable is the stuff from the nation thats been at war somewhere for more than a hundred years. If you want to shoot down our planes, then you had better be buying weapons from us.

>>529645308
>How does friendly fire take out 3 planes in one day
The fire was very friendly, almost bff fire.

>>529646494
Totally ready for war with China, btw

>>529647602
Disprove it then spudboy.

What if it was a test by the US to see whether their own gear actually works against a proper war machine in a real scenario outside simulations, while operated by borderline retarded people?
Shitskin incompetence is a perfect cover for the story, because no one is really going to question it.

>>529645308
UAE says they shot down two mig-24s coming towards doha. Coincidence? I think not. I think the f-15s got ambushed by those migs. Probably assumed any planes were friendlies or something and got lit up.

>>529646617
Someone should warn the Americans that Egypt, Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia and Jordan are also armed with this system. If they avoid that airspace, they should be safe.

Rule 1 of psyops: make the enemy appear easy to defeat
If the enemy appears very strong, elites will betray their country and its leaders for a comfier life. See Venezuela.

>>529648208
>>529647602
Iran would claim responsibility immediately as it would be a huge propaganda win.

>>529645308
obvious cope, zogmerica lost 10,000+ aircraft in vietnam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War

>>529646109
>Who told you that? Some teenager on war thunder?
it's a dod/state department propaganda talking point glowniggers post in hopes retards believe them

>>529646617
>patriot missiles taking down zogbots
Poetry, if it wasnt bullshit

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War is serious business
Most of Amerigoys are cringetards like pic related who think it works like a video game

>>529648208
if any of those Iranian clankers even taxied out onto a runway US pilots would be shooting each other down to be the first one to score an air to air kill in 20+ years (the chinese weather balloon doesnt count)

>>529645308
Using 1980s US built AA to shoot down 1970s US aircraft
The only real winner is the MIC

>>529648208
There are no Mig types with even ID numbers.

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>>529645308
>Ghost of Tehran
>F-14

We are so back Tomcat bros

>>529647004
They're really good planes. And can carry a shit ton of ordinance. F35s are limited by their internal bays if they want to maintain stealth. They can put payload on the wings, but then what's the point of even having a stealth aircraft do the work that a 4th gen can?

>>529647234
Who'd a thunk it?

>>529645308
I just woke up and holy shit it was 3?!? I thought it was just one last night. This is embarrassing as fuck regardless of who is to blame.

>>529648789
I mean they probably have already claimed responsibility they've claimed responsibility for a lot more stuff that never happened. Honestly if they dont claim responsibility I would actually be more suspicious thay they did it then if they did claim responsibility

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>>529645308
Why won't they admit whose F-35 went down?

>>529650010
Pentagon presser confirms that all three were F-15E variants.

>>529647602
To be honest, if the criminals masquerading as "government" and their lackeys in the jewish media are telling the truth about this (that these planes were shot down by so called friendly fire) then it would be the first time they've ever been caught telling the truth about anything.

>>529650010
It was one then they said two and now they are saying three so it could honestly be more lmao

>>529646617
During desert storm the NATO powers put all the 3rd world participants in their own little AO as far away from the actual military to prevent friendly fire incidents. Inb4 a10 vs british armor.
3rd worlders have poor command structure and it's not uncommon for low level tards to just go off the handle and shoot at anything that moves.

>>529645308
>1.) How does friendly fire take out 3 planes in one day
coming back to land, can't evade without enough velocity
>2.) Was it really friendly fire or is that cope, Kuwait is only miles away from Iran
unless your a delusional brownoid it was friendly fire, not even Iran claims it was their doing
>3.) Is it more embarrassing to get shot down by a random kuwaiti air defenseman or by the ghost of Tehran
the ghost of Tehran

Where is s300

>>529649798
God. What a kino fucking plane.

CNN just reported they were shot down by Israel.

>>529649798
Tomcat is the shit man, basically helped the navy steal Top Gun from the air force

>>529649685
He meant Su-24 which Iran operates.

>>529650010
>>529650129
I’ve only seen video of one falling from the sky in a flat spin, from two different angles. By time I went to bed, about 12hrs ago, it was well established that an F-15E Strike Eagle went down in Kuwait, and that its male pilot/female weapons officer(“co-pilot”) were recovered alive, stuffed into the rear cargo area of Hilux SUV’s(well, I only saw the male in the back of a hilux, probable that they similarly transported the female) for extraction. There were rumors unconfirmed about 2 additional unknown possibly F-15s downed, which when I woke up this morning had been confirmed by CENTCOM, despite claims to the contrary. They say all 6 occupants of the 3 F-15E’s ejected and are doing fine.

>>529650745
USS Liberty bros we are so back

>>529645810
>Could be a software glitch, or hack.
ROHIT DID THE NEEDFUL UPDATIONS, PLS TO CLOSE TICKET

>>529650280
This, giving Thirdies access to nice shit always ends poorly. Poor eagles were denied more tasty mig kills.

>>529645976
Air to air yes, so far. Plenty have been shot down by Sams.

>>529650949
Here’s the first I saw:
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>>529651475
“The Israeli Air Force and the U.S. Air Force are highly active over the area to access Iran (primarily via eastern Iraq), as well as to defend against incoming drones. Both countries fly F-15s. Saudi Arabia and Qatar also fly the F-15 in the region. The aircraft involved looks like it could be a Strike Eagle derivative, which is flown by all the countries listed, but that is also inconclusive at this time. Israel and Saudi Arabia also fly single-seat F-15A/Cs. No U.S. Air Force F-15Cs are deployed to the CENTCOM area of responsibility”

>>529645308
I think that US didn't want to tip off Kuwait that they were going to attack Iran (to try to keep the element of surprise and not risk a leak). But then this means that you have 3 planes in your airspace that you weren't expecting, that the Americans didn't tell you about. It's possible then that they just assumed they had hostile intentions and shot them down.

But that said, there should've been something like the IFF transponders telling them. It could also be a combination of operator error with the Arabs, maybe even jeet code in US military software (which unfortunately is a sad reality as more defense contractors hire H1b jeets over a long period of time). The US really doesn't need these jeets, the vast majority of them are incompetent and dishonest and definitely not what you want writing code when US lives are concerned.

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>Invade Kuwaiti airspace
>Get shot

>>529647052
The russians seem to have no problem shooting down f16's

>>529647234
only on friendly targets though

>>529645308
Just like recent shoot down by Pakistan air force, using Chinese help.
Multiple airframes at a distance.

>>529645308
Here's the sad fact: It takes YEARS to train people and Trump being in power for one year is not enough to replace all the DEI retards, so a lot of retards are still in running things. Many of them got in during the Obama era and didn't get kicked out during Trump's first term, and solidified their power as the senior leaders during Biden's

>>529647333
American AD is only good for shooting down friendly targets. Chinese AD so far has a good tally of rafales

>>529646109
It was. No F-15 had ever been brought down by enemy action before. The only F-15s to ever get shot down before were shot down by friendly F-15s by mistake.

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>>529652200
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>>529645308
Pilot gave up his left hand for Drumpf.

>>529646617
>Patriot missiles targeting patriots.
Lel

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>>529646941
Because the Sunni countries of the Middle East are populated by Retards.
The Jewish plan to control the below-average IQ goy population hasn't changed since the Bolsheviks.

>>529652188
>2026 and we are still blaming obummer for trump invading iran

Do miggers really

>>529645308
>kuwaiti air defenseman
>kuwaiti

Kuwaitis don't work anon
>ali al saleem 2015-201x

>>529652378
Xing Ramirez

>>529645308
Kuwaiti air defense shot us in the back because Muslims do Muslim things. Sofar the score is 3 planes and 4 dead Americans to all of Iran getting bombed and gutted so I'm ok with that stack

Sorry my bad for shooting them down. Don't tell my commander

>>529652664
>so I'm ok with that stack
Show nose.
Iran has never attacked us anywhere outside of the Middle East.

Middle East culture. If one guy knows how to operate that weapon system he makes sure not to give anyone else the full knowledge so that he remains important

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>>529652777
Sorry for calling your country a fake country thats only an oil refinery and export depot, incredible digits.

>>529652346
how does this cope post prevent you from being an obese nigger?

IQ is real and sand niggers average about 85, 5 more IQ points than an american nigger. These people know nothing of aircrafts or missiles, just that if the IFF returns friendly, they dont fire, and fire on everything else.

And the same applies to USN, which shot down one Hornet in the Red Sea when it was flying with a wingman at a speed and altitude that no Shaheed propeller drone can be found at. Since the Hornet duo was returning to the carrier, they were flying on a course for the carrier, and the USN DDG crew spazzed out and thought they were houthi jets (wtf would they come from?). The post incident reports from this and other USN fuckups showed that both the carrier and the DDG were running around half broken because of several years of deferred maintenance and crews that are ignorant and apathic.

>>529647740
Iranian state media said they downed one F-15 in Kuwait.

>>529645308
It's a lie, dumbass. America fucking covered up the USS Liberty and the Epstein files both of which are much, much worse than this.

>>529646617
So the first time patriots have ever intercepted anything was mutts' own planes? Truly the wunderest of waffen kek

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>friendly fire

>>529646888
The chings who never chonged for real? Yeah... very easy to trash when you didn't try.

>US went all in on f-15s, neglected f-22s and f-35s over the rationale that no one else could match them
>3 get shot down
>IT WAS FRIENDLY FIRE GOY
Lmaoing hard at the US armed forces getting btfo when not fighting farmers and shepherds. And the farmers and shepherds gave them a huge run for their money.

>>529647004
The US command genuinely believes 4.5 gen fighters are all they need since (according to them):
>no one else can match their airforce anyway
>air supremacy is like 80% drones nowadays

>>529653913
>200 kilometers ground-to-air guided missile without any early warning detection
No.

>>529653913
lmao, 10 hour operation goys

>>529650830
Yes sorry, got my plane’s discombobulated

>>529645308
Friendly fire is almost certainly a cope
They’re so proud of their NEVER BEEN SHOT DOWN record that they’ll make up anything to pretend it’s an invincible plane

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>>529646888
>china was right again

>>529645308
If Iran was capable they would not be having problems defending their airspace right now

>>529653475
Would my su-24 scenario make more sense if the iranians engaged, nailed an f-15 and then air defense panicked and started lighting up every plane they could during a dogfight?

>>529648208
Gay and retarded.
>>529649908
Don't bother explaining anything to these zoomers and third worlder shitskins. They are just going to keep posting their retarded faggot shit anyway.

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>>529654871
No, it wouldn't. Those sukes would have been detected and fucking blasted by 120s before they knew what was happening.

You are retarded. Get help.

>>529645308
>$120 million each
>3 aircraft down
>$360 million dollars down the drain

cool. fun.

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>>529645308
>$90M each
are you guys ok with this? this is what your taxes go to lol

>>529655413
Your “le epic wunderwaffen” air power straight up missed 2 enemy planes in the air days after supposedly having total airspace control. Just admit they goofed and panicked when they realized hostile fighters were around.

>>529656188
Those sukes got shot down by the Qataris.

Just stop posting. You are a waste of flesh.

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>zog AA operators

>>529645308
>shoot down that Iranian drone that just took off from our airport
who actually believes this was friendly fire?

>>529656284
Yes they did, but the fact they were even airborne, in the same general area as the f-15s is enough to think they were involved in the friendly fire shenanigans. Cope more.

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>>529656018
>this is what your taxes go to lol
We have stopped getting emotionally attached to where the government spends the money that our great-great-grandchildren will be paying in taxes to service the debt.

It's like worrying if the tsunami wave about to hit the beach you are standing on is going to mess up your hair.

We are living in the era of history that will be shown as the example of why usury is a sin for the rest of eternity.