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>>529655835
Yeah we knew that for the past couple years and we see them in the threads your trying to slide with your other 20 VPNs spamming low quality threads into the catalog right now, Amerimutt

>>529655835
why are they called drones instead of missiles?

>>529657450
I guess it could land safely if it doesn't find yankees.

>>529655835
This is an APKWS II, it's a $3,000 Hydra rocket with a $20,000 guidance system fitted to it. These can hit Shahed drones with ~99% accuracy and disable them in the air, and they cost half as much.

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>>529658010
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>>529657450
>instead of missiles
................not typically powered by propellers

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>>529657450
missiles don't have pilots retard

>>529658010
So why don't they? I mean, Ukraine, Kikestan, your Gulf boytoys are getting gaped by Shahed, where are these wonderful missiles defending them?

>>529655835
its crap

>>529659811
flies too slow to show up as a missile signature, can't make this shit up. it's actually pretty genius on the iranian's part.

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>>529655835
Why do you think they took to calling them drones I wonder? A guided missile is a guided missile, whether it’s got a rocket motor, a turbine, a ramjet, or a piston engine.

Is it some MIC fuckery to get more funding for “next gen drones” or something? Or do you think the media just started calling them that because when people think drones they think of the Predator with the pusher prop on the back, and since this has a pusher prop it’s just automatically a drone? Or is it just a way to denigrate the technology, like “oh it’s just a drone, like the $50 crap you can buy on Amazon”?

>>529655835
>Iranians mounted two lightweight motorcycle engines onto a large plastic aircraft capable of carrying 50 kilograms of explosives.
>This seemingly crude contraption can achieve results as effective as missiles.
>And it's cheap.
and how did iran obtain drone technology? let's see if any of you gifted children know the answer

>>529660246
Anon, it has a piston engine. It's not rocket science.

>>529660246
so what you're saying is that iranians can build and maintain nuclear reactors and hypersonic icmbs, but a slow flying aircraft with plastic explosives in the fuselage is some kind of technological magic? your public schooling shows retard.

>>529660246
I'm not too bright but I'll wager Rule 88 applies

Yidsrael sold the tech to China, who sold/provided it to Iran.

Did I win?

>>529658010
>APKWS II
>laser guided
retarded even for a retard

>>529655835
Actually it's just a copy of a German design that was shelved in the 90s because it didn't fit the common war strategies of the time. Got to Iran via Israel of course.

>>529660246
Out of necessity, they had jack shit in terms of modern military armament aside from the limited equipment they could get from the russians/chinese. So they instead spammed cheap low tech shit like shaheds en masse. It's like turkish Bayraktar drones, they're basically reaper knockoffs but they're dirt cheap.

>>529657450
Called a drone due to the sound of the motorcycle engines.

>>529660246
>and how did iran obtain drone technology
you mean long range RC planes?

>>529655835
Yeah, if they werent so fucking belligerent, they could have exported the damn things worldwide too.

>>529659875
Crap that can kill you.

>>529660226
There is a technical definition, which you could easily educate yourself on, if you were interested in not looking like an ignorant moron in the future around here

They've got 50,000 of them

>>529655835
>Iranians mounted two lightweight motorcycle engines onto a large plastic aircraft capable of carrying 50 kilograms of explosives.
Yet somehow it a technology that Ziggers could not come up with on their own

>>529657450
Drones have the capability to loiter, can circle, change course, and wait for hours, while missiles follow a direct, programmed or commanded trajectory, and are jet or rocket propelled. The distinction would become a bit blurry with jet powered single use drones, Russia has, or had a few of those types.

>>529655835
Easy to take down unless you bolt down a top of countermeasure shit that makes it no longer cheap.

>>529659811
In large part the problem is that the relevant anti-drone tech hasn't been produced/deployed in adequate numbers. They could have prepared better for this, incl. the Arab countries, but didn't. Trump pretty much said that they were surprised by Iran's reaction.

>>529660454
> iranians can build and maintain nuclear reactors and hypersonic icmbs
That is or was done by Russian engineers.

>>529659811
Deployed in large numbers in Ukraine. These are a very low cost system for dealing with Shahed spam. The whole thing costs ~$3mm and fits on the back of a Humvee or a Nissan shitbox.

>>529655835
It is aircraft engine, designed for ultralight aircraft and motorized gliders. Not a niggercycle engine.

>>529660828
What's retarded about it? It's already proven effective in Ukraine. Maybe throw your jeet shit fit outside in the streets.

You guys ever play RTS games?

Turtling and hoarding infinite numbers of cheap units, and unleashing them at once always wins.

>>529662609
This is a 4 barrel hobby aircraft drone engine, mass produced in China as a copy of a German model, costs about $1500 iirc

>>529655835
>as effective as missiles.
yeah. maybe chinese missiles. kek.

the main point with these drones is cost-asymmetry. not capability.

>>529661889
>so fucking belligerent
Who've they started on?

>>529659393
those are torpedos

>>529662256
Hypersonics can change course, both in their long range trajectory and then in the final phase as a warhead with thrust vectoring engines or jets.

>>529659733
>missiles don't have pilots
>i'll take gps for 500
also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon

>>529662265
Dirt cheap though so can overwhelm more expensive defense responses and with 10's of thousands to throw at the enemy they can do the job.

>>529655835
Those look like rotax engines that would be used on light aircrafts

>>529655835
Cute

Is there still no anime girl for the Shahed?

>>529663429
Iran doesn't have tens of thousands. Iran can ship these 5 to a truck, and if you want to amass them for a strike it becomes a very big target.

>>529660226
Unpiloted piston engine devices have always been called drones

>>529663498
Limba h L-550E copy, it doesn't have to be good and these have a life expectancy of less than 12 hours so the cheap Chinese or Iranian made ones do the trick.

>>529655835
>And it's cheap.
Only good thing about it and why its also superior to missiles.

>>529655835
We know, we copied it.

>>529655835
>>529656204
Memeflag vs Memeflag, both Israeli, both scared, trying to create a false dichotomy of "left vs right"

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>>529664071
For some reason I find the thought of an american version of this with a Milwaukee 8 just hilarious.
>inb4 hurr dhurr rotary engines.

>>529659393
Those are torpedoes you raging imbecile.

How about "Homing Aerial Torpedo".

>>529662256
Then it should be called a "loitering munition"

>>529659733
Some have some degree of control, Iran has maneuverable missiles which is how they are able to hit targets without the help of GPS systems.

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>>529662256
Turkey got them now

>>529655835
Two engines? Why?

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> glorified 30,000$ lawn-mower powered boomerang bomb
> billion $ radar installation
who would win?

>>529663698
She would have an explosive personality.

>>529664316
This looks just like the engine I need to build my exo-suit
Thanks anon

>>529655835
how can a drone suicide you dumb bug

>>529665240
>amass al defenses to protect the masters
>they still get hit
>leave everything else unprotected
>it all gets destroyed
I thought it was the retarded muslims that were dumb at war and the US dominates in all matter of strategy?

>>529665240
For fuck sake, thats a satcom terminal (wideband) in NSA Bahrain, not a radar. The 1B radar that was hit was in Qatar, you can see the hole in it on todays Maxar images, but its unverified.
Why the fuck people continue to think thats a radar stuck in amongst buildings equal in height to it is beyond me.

>>529665589
It makes more sense when you realise that Trump is entirely under Bibis control due to kompromat.

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>>529665336
Consider the porsche-harley engine instead.

>>529660334
criminally underrated post

>>529665822
>Dual overhead cams
That ain't American

>>529655835
Think of all you could accomplish if your economy didn't have a Rothschild central bank with their foot on your neck.

>>529657450
Because the missile knows where it is because it knows where it isnt you stupid newfag

>>529665687
You expect these fucking retards to have even a basic level of understand?

>>529655835
These are the ones flying into skyscrapers right?

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these cheap "iranian" drones are actually produced in China. Assembled in Iran. Iran can't produce anything on its own

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>>529666788
essentially a chinese-made engine, strapped to chinese composites, guided by chinese electronics. Iran has zero input in this.

>>529660955
Now is it two BMW engines or one VW beetle engine?

>>529655835
Need banana for scale

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>>529664316
The American copy of the Shaheed drones is called LUCAS and we have been using them against Iran in the current conflict.

>>529655835
Found the dude posting turkish drones cringe in the past but its funny that this is called innovative technology now kek

>>529655835
We invented these things 40 years ago.

>>529655835
Suicide drone is a slur: they prefer the term wandering munitions.

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>>529666967
I'm well aware, I just found the prospect of domestic motorcycle engines being used for each country's variants rather amusing.

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This "israeli" hermes drone is shot down in Iran today. Essentially full of American subsystems

>>529665138
OP is a 'tard.

>>529662391
is that why israel was assassinating iranian nuclear scientists for 2 decades retard?

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>>529655835
>Iranians mounted two lightweight motorcycle engines onto a large plastic aircraft capable of carrying 50 kilograms of explosives.

I think, there is some translation error. There is no two engines on Shahed. There is single engine. Also, it does not have two cylinders (which might explain why in original version there was "two" mentioned). But have 4 cylinders.

Price is not only thing, which gives its advantage. It is also, that a lot of parts are relatively low-tech, that it becomes easier to spread manufacturing among multiple assembly sites. It takes less time to train personnel for construction and assembly tasks.

It somehow resembles WW2, when in United Kingdom there was spare capacity for personel which had experience with working with wood, and they started to build planes with wooden fuselage.

>>529655835
Iran observed Azeri-Armenian conflict and determined that complex drones are not expendable enough with shaheed being the result of it.

>>529655835
russians turned this type of drones into man in the loop munitions and they also mount manpads onto this flying bricks in case hohol helis chase them.

>>529662595
And only works at close enough range. It's not something deployable throughout a city let alone a country

>>529655835
During World War 2, a single factory outside of Detroit would shovel raw materials into one side of their factory, and one new bomber would come out the other side every hour.

I agree that cheap one-way drones are a large part of the future of the worlds' military; but if it came down to it and the US had to get serious, we could knock out about 1000 of these each day, every day, until it ran out of targets.

>>529662069
you could get killed with a shoelace
so what?

>>529658010
USA lost 3x F-15's trying to use these against Iran drones lol.

>>529669194
>we could knock out about 1000 of these each day, every day, until it ran out of targets.
You actually couldn't, but a man can dream.

>>529669194
except for the made in china electronics that actually make them useful

>>529658010
If a drone flies low enough (ie. single digit meters above ground/foliage) you need something a little more advanced than that. Also AA shoots down friendlies much more often than you'd like.

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>>529669601
I will limit how detailed an answer I give, because loose lips still sink ships; but the problem is nowhere near as complex as you think.

Excluding the infrastructure which already exists to assist the drones in their missions, the actual production of the drones is surprisingly easy; if you go into it with the knowledge that they're only designed to fly once.

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>>529655835
The shahed is a copy of an Israeli design from the 80s called the IAI Harpy, which was itself a copy of the Kentron ARD10 and Dornier DAR, which were loitering anti-radiation munitions instead of """guided""" attack drones.

>>529655835
>build inside garages
>launch from a backyard
>no airfields
>no massive permanent factories
>decentralized supply chain and construction, can move weekly in a city building inside random motor garages
if the parts keep coming the drones keep launching, they have to lock down the sky extremely hard
even then they can fly super low under 100m and slip through as they have

>>529670079
I know you're a NEET who has never worked a job, let alone anything in logistics, but huffing this much copium isn't a wise idea. It's going to take decades and pain, sacrifice and worm no one today is willing to endure.

>>529672756
Decades of pain, sacrifice and work*

>>529655835
>based on the Israeli Heron drone
>which is based on a US-West German anti-radar drone
>which was based on US tail pusher drone research in the late '60s
And then the press chortles and kvetches over the US continuing to make tail pusher drones.

>>529672756
The truth is, you haven't got a clue who I am. You don't know where I am, what I do, whether I'm any good at what I do; or how long I've been at it.

>>529671900
why hide behind a memeflag schlomo, afraid you won't be taken seriously? are you not patriotic?

>>529669054
~5 kilometers. The lasers we have are better.

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>>529673164
>aquafresh flag

>>529671900
bizarre history spiral

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>>529673401
Air forces have been playing with this sort of thing since the first world war with the Kettering Bug, cheap and shitty drones/cruise missiles are nothing new.

It's also easy to forget just how innovative and capable the South African military industrial complex was during the apartheid years, hell, they even had a successful nuclear program and deployed half a dozen bombs.

>>529655835
a jew ripped off the design and is going to sell them to the US for 1 million apiece.

>>529664505
>suicide kamikaze homing aerial torpedo
edited for TV

>>529667200
You shaheed knockoff is smaller than original and uses two cylinder engine made for drones and RC-planes. About third of the power output of local copy of kraut engine used by Iranians. Harder to detect by IR and acoustic signature.

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>>529673035
No one cares you fruit loop

>>529678308
well the person who tried to call me out obviously did. And apparently, so do you, since you were so outranged that you had to respond.

But thanks for playing, no refunds

>>529667678
>I think, there is some translation error

I think "two stroke" is mistranslated.

>>529667678
>4 cylinder motorcycle engine
Very based

>>529676447
Is this a prediction or did it happen already

>>529669194
You won't do shit faggot

>>529680718
We're not talking about me doing anything. We're talking about the manufacturing capability of The United States, should it be called upon to supply a growing war.

Try to follow along better next time.