They find dead bodies sometimes in the apartments. the female I was working with said she was not bothered by it anymore, beside one time that they found a young girl who did not want to live anymore.
WELL... I suppose this young woman had no hope after being forced to wear men's clothing, being told she had to be a man, and waste life in secular government education to be a good worker, and then getting a small box in the sky far from nature, which she could only barely afford as a cashier, AND, OH! lest she seek out for help, the Canadian government that forced her life, encourages suicide for those who no longer want to live anyway.

It's like the Elenor Rigby song. Each abandoned apartment tells a story. There's a man living in filth trash everywhere and three masturbation toys, and there's a woman killing herself, and other ones I was involved with that day had no better stories.

And here am I, writing a the words of a post that no one will read, no one will see. All the lonely people, where do they all belong. Though my apartment they will find quite empty. And like the early Christians I only want my tombstone to say "Justified".

And that is where I come to the next thing, as I have been going through Lewis Carroll's writings recently. Originally it was to prove how evil Disney's adaptations are. And I somewhat proved that. But I didn't expect to find out so much more. So much about Victorian life and what was happening at the time, and the concerns Lewis Carroll was expressing. Maybe it's too big a topic to get into.

>>84049545
i'm reading it. i just have no idea what you are trying to say and think you might genuinely be in some form of disorganized schizophrenic breakdown. i've been there and was just as incomprehensible. are you taking anything psychoactive at the moment?

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>>84049626
And this is why I don't post on social internet anymore. Not just because I am old of heart. But because it's not just "talking with faceless people" but many of them are ESL and you have to talk to them in an inhuman way.
That's another thing I find with Lewis Carroll letters and writings, the average internet denizen couldn't understand anything he's saying. Not because he's speaking oddly, but because I think the level of english we use is so degraded and the level of communication is so degraded.

And this is not an attack. It's more of a fact, lacking tact, (my brother's named Jack). I suffer from it. I mean... when you look like THIS (photo related) all day, maybe you'd naturally be a bit more good with words too. But the internet and the fact english has become the global language it has reduced it so much, to the point no one can even understand what you're saying unless it's sort of "in their realm" the way everyone else talks in their corner of the idiotic internet, not an attack again. It's a universal problem. And then even the fact it is just text is a problem anyway too.

I also have not had home internet for 2 years. Which has been very good.
Nearly 2 months isn't the LONGEST I've gone without social internet, but 2 months is... so. Dang it, I guess I didn't make a new record. It's okay, I did have to post though earlier today to find something.
But it's good. ask myself, did I lose or gain anything from no social internet for 2 months? I guess I gained usable time and lost nothing. Anyhow, you know how I'm gonna fix this mouse? By going to the library, because they have a repair kit you can use. They have these little eats that you can much and they shrink you down and you can go inside and repair a thing.

>>84049470
Talking to faceless people is all i do outside of my family occasionally. You are not alone in it. I had never even considered this was a job you could do. Clearing out abandoned apartments. I do not think that is something that happens where i am so it is not a job i could do even if i think now it would be suitable.
I think you should have taken the laptop too. It is a waste to let it sit unused and at best you could sell it? If you have a morbid curiosity into the life of the previous tenant there is much to learn from a laptop even if it is little used.
>>84049505
>All the lonely people
>Where do they all come from?
It is depressing everytime to hear that the Canadian government encourages the wasting of lives. Nobody should ever kill themselves, or feel the need to in an ideal world.
>>84049545
I have read it and enjoyed it. I don't have much to say on lewis caroll or disney though.

>>84049660
>Not because he's speaking oddly, but because I think the level of english we use is so degraded and the level of communication is so degraded.
I have the same complaint. I am a native speaker and my english is not so good. When i try to speak more eloquently i am insulted for pretentiousness when i am only seeking accuracy.
>>84049691
>They have these little eats that you can much and they shrink you down and you can go inside and repair a thing.
Don't mix them up. You would not want to grow instead and break through the ceiling. All the books would be wasted.

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>>84049694
Yes, I forgot. The reason I was looking into Lewis Carroll and Disney. Now Disney of course is famous for ruining everything they touch. Tolkien mentioned this. But people might ignore Tolkien considering he was an awful writer who doesn't care about meaning in stories to begin with (but that's another topic). But you look at what Disney did to Peter Pan, destroying the soul, or, better yet the most recent example, Star Wars. Let me explain it simply.

George Lucas said "Balance in the force means all light."
Disney changed this to "Balance in the force means half light and half dark." even adding ying yang symbols
This change is so drastic, the movies of Disney and Lucas cannot take place in the same universe. Why, I suppose when Luke told his Vader there's still some good in him, and Vader said "it's too late for me, son." the emotional heart of the story, I guess they weren't' aware that actually there's needs to be good and evil. Even George Lucas and atheist understood evil is an invasion, unnatural.

But what did Disney do to Alice in Wonderland? Ah. I shall type that, for my own fun.

Disney, so impressive, destroy Alice in Wonderland with a single line they poison the whole thing. By implying that Alice herself at the beginning of the story wants to live in a world of nonsense. This is never stated or implied in the books.
Now before reading Lewis Carroll's diaries and letters, I assumed that Alice's adventures in wonderland was about how RIDICULOUS the adult world is. Yes, through the eyes of a child. The White rabbit is worrying about the time and being late for work and busying himself, and the mad tea party a parody of the extensive table manner etiquette kids must learn in the Victorian era. When an adult has come to his age, he is filled with lies and formalities. So the White Queen replies to Alice who says you can't believe impossible things, saying "Why I believed six impossible things this morning." And so on.

Now I came to found out instead that Alice in Wonderland has a slightly different meaning to either me or Disney. But I still say Disney poisons the well by turning it into a story about how a little girl doesn't want order, and then "learns her lesson." which regardless hurts the spirit of the book, which is an expression of love for childhood and silly things, the exact meaning of the book isn't much to talk about, I only found one letter in where Lewis Carroll expressed the whole meaning, which might as well be summarised as he wanted innocent fun books for kids to read, as he loves children and saw a lack of such material for them.

>>84049737
>But people might ignore Tolkien considering he was an awful writer who doesn't care about meaning in stories to begin with (but that's another topic).
I feel some offense to this, but i can't explain why other than i like his stories very much. I do agree they are not the best writing i have endured even if i appreciate some of the ideas.

I was very disappointed in the disney star wars, i think almost everyone was even if their reasons not so deep as yours. I find it curious how they could sabotage it so thoroughly and my cynical mind suspects it was intentional.

>>84049777
It is always the case that the translators of a work can't resist leaving their own signature upon it. Too proud to stay as anonymous deliverers of something greater than themselves they feel the need to try outdo the piece that they have the privilege of borrowing. Stealing credit for the good work that was never theirs and degrading it with their own purposes. In the case of disney they seem to have sown this into all their works.

I had thought alice in wonderland was told on a boat ride, made up on the spot? Perhaps i'm misremembering.

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taking a break from Lewis Carroll. Sometimes I would come to /r9k/ to post things I found in historical documents (which I love). And here's another one from Herodotus.who in the 5th century BC, says this about the Auseans, "At a yearly festival of Athene their maidens take their stand in two parties and fight against one another with stones and staves, and they say that in doing so they are fulfilling the rites handed down by their fathers for the divinity who was sprung from that land, whom we call Athene: and those of the maidens who die of the wounds received they call "false-maidens." But before they let them begin the fight they do this: -all join together and equip the maiden who is judged to be the fairest on each occasion, with a Corinthian helmet and with full Hellenic armour, and then causing her to go up into a chariot they conduct her round the lake."

My love for historical documents now extends to the Victorian era. Since such a time has become "history" I should think. In Alice's Adventures in Wonderland she says she learned a bit of Latin from her brother's school book. Likewise Lewis Carroll, once wrote in reply to some women who were seeking to ban children from theatres, "As, in these days, ladies know everything (a category in which Latin may fairly be included), I may perhaps without pedantry address her with the words audi alteram partem." But I need not tell you men and women learned different things had different rights and dress and (if all well) lived lives appropriate. Alice curtsied, but by the time of C.S. Lewis, he says girls no longer learn such a thing in Experiment House.

>>84049781
Oooh, now must I go on to express why I hate Tolkein's books? OR at least why they are awful. Tolkien is someone I also have read the letters of.
One time someone asked him if the orcs are communists. He said he didn't understand the question, orcs are orcs. As well, the five wizards don't represent the five senses, rather the fact that there's five is just "a part of the history" he then goes on to explain the meaning behind the Lord of the Rings, which he has done in interviews as well, saying "the books are about death, and the desire for eternal life."
...well.. I suppose he's never read his own books, because they are NOT about that at all. They are about spending 5 paragraphs on how the Hobbits discovered pipeweed, that's the true heart of the books. World building.

To my knowledge. Tolkein is the first person in the world to create this genre of writing. Not just a fictional reality unconnected to our own, but that the focus should be on world building. Pilgrim's Progress and Alice's Wonderland take place in dreams. But Tolkein just created an alternate universe, well what's the point of that? What's the moral lesson? What's it mean? And he didn't really care too much about that so much as he cared about the world itself. And that's VERY boring in every other case. No one has succeeded in writing in the same genre he invented. Who cares about the world building of some world that doesn't exist and means nothing. Why aren't the orcs communists!? Then I might extract some meaning. But they're just orcs. There's a beautiful story being told in LotR that Tolkiein isn't even trying to tell. About how two little hobbits in this world of giant monsters and armies and craziness, here's these two hobbits walking to Mordor, not because they want to but because it's the right thing to do, adn they do it not be strength of arms but by wit, and courage, let every other fantasy story stand in shame.

But Tolkein doesn't care about that pure little underlining heart so much. He's interested in building worlds. And he's very good at that. But frankly that doesn't make a good story in my estimation. Had he gotten C.S. Lewis to write out Lord of the Rings for him the books would be half the size and enjoyable. Not bogged down with "Now we shall sing about the history of these tree which will have no relevance to the story."
When someone gave Tolkien an early draft of a movie adaption, he had a few complaints, a lot of them involved things like "you need to film in the different seasons of the year to match each scene." because the time frame of the journey the distance the traveled each day is what he cares about. And then the film draft also ruins the moral lesson of Galadriel and the ring's temptation which he brings up for a brief moment then gets back into what he really care about.

>>84049694
The reason I did not take the laptop was because I did not want to impose, since I was a temporary worker already taking a lot of things. It probably would have mostly been filled with porn. The Nintendo Switch I took from the same apartment, the person liked anime games and pokemon. They said they'd donate the laptop.

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>>84049817
Yes Alice's Adventures in Wonderland started as a story he told to three little children he loved. Lewis Carroll LOVED kids, he was a pseudo-pedophile. Like Micheal Jackson. People assume it's sexual, but they just are obsessed with kids.
Lewis Carroll liked telling stories to kids in general and the book publications was an extension of just having something for kids to read.

Now if you go on youtube there's plenty of videos claiming there's "dark meanings" behind it or how he was a pedophile. And just like any good youtube video they don't have a SINGLE quote from Lewis Carroll.

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Oh how I write so quick like in a frenzy sometimes. Howe entertaining. I'm like the Walrus. the time has come to talk of many things, of ships and shoes and sealing-wax, cabbages, and kings!

I'd like to write a story myself you know. Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Winnie-The-Pooh are both in the public domain. WHY HAVEN'T THEY MET!?
"My, you are a queer little bear."
"Oh stuff and fluff, oh bother."

I discovered recently Elvis probably was the best singer of the 20th century. Even more than the Italian guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCRXkdijVfg
can we get Alice and Winnie-The-Pooh to dance to this.

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>>84049660
this isn't a problem of english as a second language, though that is a genuine problem of a globalized internet. there is no logical internal structure connecting most of your sentences. i gather you're alienated from modern life, work clearing out abandoned apartments and find that the detritus of modern humanity only enforces this sense of inherent isolation, like the beatles and the works of lewis carroll, and don't post online often. i'm sorry you feel this way. it seems like a terrible burden to have the job you do and see how humans are discarded like objects.

i had this shirt made many years ago based on a quotation from a history exhibit. the only part missing is a line about 'vivienne westwood' corsets specifically because it kept being flagged for copyright. it reminds me of your post.

what do you find so appealing about alice in wonderland specifically when contrasted with his other works like the jabberwocky and the continuation in through the looking glass? what is it you admire in carroll as a man?

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Not quite finish with Alice in Wonderland. I found a musical for it which has very little views on youtube and internet archive: https://files.catbox.moe/z684l1.mp3

The comic I read, and while reading, and in general these days. I DON'T GIVE A DARN about anime anymore. Japanese media sucks so hard. It's a whole topic, but I think Japanese media is doing horrible this decade. They are just floundering in the same trash nothingness. The Maid Wars anime was really good but everything is so bad, and I'm sick of the ugly "plain anime look" and you know what. I don't need you to sexulise everything, okay?

What has Japane created that will last the ages? Their new rip off the of the Pilgrim's Progress they call Frieren? Which is like the agnostic Pilgrim's Progress but where they forget the point of the story partway. No one cares about evangelion anymore. "Seven Samurai!" "What about their video games." Well. I wish we encouraged our english creators a bit more.

>>84050042
I'm a christian, meaning I accept the reality that Jesus rose from the dead. My main issues, is that society's main goal is to keep people from this fact that Jesus is who He claimed to be. And here's a girl who killed herself because she has no home. You can't own a home in Canada. Pay rent or pay government taxes, less we come and drag you out, and you better work to make barely enough.

Jesus says his society has many mansions. Not many job opportunities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUGpVXRDUJA
Which reminds me, I haven't got into what Lewis Carroll was concerned about in his time. And how it came true.

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Lewis Carroll, was a clergyman, a preacher of the Word of God until the day he died. And also a scholar at Oxford, which was once a christian institution, it's now entirely atheistic. And here in Lewis' writings we see in real time the change that was going on at the turn of the century.
I really think when Atheists came up with their new "Evolution" religion and through trickery and bullying and liberation of sexual sin managed to invade the spaces of the scientific establishments, it was the beginning of the end. Lewis Carroll himself talks about how stupid Evolution is at least twice, but that wasn't his concern.

Lewis Carroll was very concerned with the loss of reverence people had toward the Holy. And I won't go further than that. But another thing he talked about was defeating sin, in this way, not fighting in the way sometimes we want to. We think we can confront our sins and solve the issues, bring them to light to defeat them, rather than eliminate them from our mind, if they are dim let them be dim, and never expose yourself to them thinking you can be past it.
I should be going to the library so I can fix this mouse.
By the way, this comic of Alice in Wonderland that looks Japanese is in fact not, it's english made, and that was the original reason I came online to ask a place about getting it since it was not free anywhere. And I did indeed get the scans.

OH! I'd be regrettable to not mention how I could not find the original annotated version of Alice in Wonderland. But only the modern version.
Which claims that the growing and shrinking that Alice does in the book might be a reference to the expansion of the universe... I leave that humbly in your hands.
As well he mentions how "erm, actually this part of the book is a reference perhaps to contradictory christian doctrine." there's something amazing about annotations which tell you more about the annotator than the book itself.

It's kind of like reading the original Douay-Rhiems Bible, where half the anotations are about using Bible passages to attack "protestants and reformists" with vitriol. Then a few years later the King James Bible comes out and they didn't say a word, trusting their translation so much that they let the Bible do the talking for itself. Using annotations for cross references, using the scripture to better explain other parts of the scripture. OOOh. Now that was the greatest smackdown and turning of the cheek of history.

>>84049470
You are a very special person. I just love reading online posts by special people, please do post more often! I'm on the r9k on the regular these days. Thanks

>>84050190
I'm not special, I just avoid seed oils.

This joke has been brought to you by 5 seconds of a video I watched trying to claim "medical experts" are promoting seed oils as healthy and shows screenshots of "peer-reviewed paper titles". We live in a VERY funny society. People genuinely I think believe there's these inhuman pure geniuses in labcoats who know everything and are very honest, they aren't just trying to get funding and jobs at all, it's not like that fact hasn't been exposed again and again. And they will tell you how to live and what to believe what is true and false. Academia is one of the most compromised jokes of the current world. Anyone who has been in the system or even had a job before would know this. There are no "smart people". Only people out for their own or out for God, or being led along until they decide which. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfiJcxvD3Yc
But I will not talk on this, nor post my favorite Allan Savory "what is science?" bit.

I'm going to go to the downtown library now and fix my mouse. But who knows if it's fixable. Who knows what's jammed inside. The apartment I got it from, I must tell you as I have, DISGUSTING. "How can one live like this" the kind you see in those shows. Simple things too, 30 bottle caps on your table? Why? just sweep them into a bag! He was a Chinese international student, after stealing our secrets he up and left. The largest masturbation toy he had was about the size of a large microwave and much heavier, the shrunken female body one you've seen images of. I ended up finding all three of his toys, they progressively got more advanced as he needed more and more. The female I was with said some guys just don't know how to talk with girls, she took pictures.

>>84050076
>>84050122
>>84050169
interesting. carroll liked exploring mathematical concepts in his work as well as creative language, though i can't say to what extent his religion influenced his work as i am clearly less familiar with it than you are. is lewis carroll someone you admire and wish to be like? and what do you think of writing often considered to touch on similar topics such as the oz series?

i take it since you reference canada, the cost of living crisis, and more fundamentalist interpretations of christianity that you aren't a fan of canada's application of maid, especially when considering mental health conditions or the financial circumstances (ie destitution, often from medical complications and the costs and time involved) that often lead to someone pursuing euthanasia? i have mixed feelings on suicide and euthanasia personally but find state-sponsored application of it to be as horrific an injustice as capital punishment. maybe it's the catholic school upbringing leaking out despite never being baptized in any religion or being raised with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jj4s9I-53g

>>84050285
You seem to hold rather rigid beliefs. I find that endearing.
Regarding ideas and beliefs, would you answer something to me, Anon? Do you believe in destiny? I've gotten this weird obsessive idea recently and I can't quite get it out of my head, that I've got a destiny to fulfill no matter the cost, and that the beginning of my task draws near. Not in the sense that I'm trying to motivate myself, to lift myself up like 'let the world throw anything at me, I'm ready' but rather in the sense that it's inevitable, you know? It's not logical.
Good luck with your mouse

My mouse cannot be fixed by me. This mouse cannot be fixed by any craft that we here possess.

A week ago, someone mentioned Lewis Carroll was a christian, and I jumped to investigate further, because I have a quest to gather chrsitian entertainment. In a week I read a lot of his letters and diaries and so on. And I'm still about finished gathering Alice in Wonderland related things to add to my own Entertainment computer folder.
Alice in Wonderland is about as christian as Lord of the rings is, it's made by a christian and that's about all. Lewis Carroll himself at least felt a bit bad about this since he then wrote Sylvie and Bruno which had the elements of the Gospel in it. But Alice in Wonderland is just, as he says, his way of contributing to innocent stories for kids, since many of them were not innocent (I can't imagine what non-innocent books their were in the Victorian era). He also writes about how he thinks it's a good idea to give very young kids in the Church books to read while the preaching is going on, since they can't understand yet anyway. This is solved in any Churches today by having a separate area for the kids, I can't imagine it's a new idea though.
In fact he talks quite a bit on this topic, saying kids too young might end up hating the idea of church services because they don't understand them at a young age, or that by partaking in the collective prayers they are essentially faking prayers and will get used to doing fake prayers.
I do not know where Oz even comes from I haven't looked into it. I wish Winnie-The-Pooh was written by a christian so I could include it in my folder as well.

>>84050325
There is no private interpretation needed for what Jesus spoke is very clear what the truth of the universe is. And he offers eternal life freely, I choose that, chose that. And it's just real, it's the reality.
"Well maybe... Hinduism is true?" Do you really believe that? I say there are NO other contenders even worth looking at. Jesus and the Bible the most important man and most important packet of information in the world, not a surprise it's true. You're up against what? Atheism and its "sea sponges could eventually become humans in 500 million years with enough birth defect sequences. And the universe and all the information and order just kind of happened."
Or the rabbinic Jews, "Yes God still wants us to keep the Covenant he gave us on Mount Sinai, even though we can't keep it, also God stopped speaking to us mysteriously 2,000 years ago and stopped caring about us, yeah I don't know, but we have Israel now hey hey! See!"
Or the Muslims.
Whenever we talk about Muhammad the questions are "Was he a pedophile, was he a caravan robber?" When we talk of Jesus we ask, "Is he divine, was he really the Son of God?"

No, but I know Christianity, that is Jesus, is true, and so do millions of others. It just happens to be true, and some of it is a bit scary or whatever, any truth of this strange world would be.

But I do remember the first time I realised Jesus was real. I was always thinking back "remember that night I saw and experienced God when I accepted the Gospel and prayed and it was all christian, therefore all these other things must not be true."
I used experience to confirm the other things weren't true. But then you investigate it and realise just by logic, Christianity is true and the other things are not.
And you'd be surprised what people believe, how ridiculous, either willingly or unwillingly we believe stupid things without thinking.
Mormonism is stupid, but do you realise just how stupid? How ridiculous? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AVksae-Frk
It's a matter of information-based people and emotionally-based people. emotionally-based people will end up in cults, the fact the cults don't make logical sense doesn't matter. That's why Jesus says to be a good person to lead others to God. That makes no sense to me, why would someone be a christian because they have a nice experience at church or something? I could not care less if every christian on earth was a horrible person, I want the information that's all. And information-based people get caught up in conspiracy theories like the flat earth, because they can be fed false but convincing information.

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How can a man, earn eternal life, attain to God, a perfect holy God who needs nothing, and certainly not evil. Only God, through Jesus Christ, who lived a perfect life, the perfect life others couldn't live he did and accomplished and took the punishment for the evil and sins of all, who have come short of earning eternal life. God humbles himself to listen to humanity. And to save humans, for whatever reason, Jesus sees something in humanity willing enough to give everything he had to save it, held up not by nails but by his love for you and me and the Father. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUsnQ8lw1C4

You know everytime I do have access to internet I waste time. Scroll through gaarbage.