>>84051389
Fear of rejection

>>84051389
What do you mean approach? Ask girls out on the street like Johnny Bravo? I can't just talk to strangers out of the blue. I'd get weird stares.

>>84051389
How do you personally define cope? Give us your definition and we can answer that. If by cope you mean women only want chad, maybe a man doesnt want to risk looking like a creep or getting rejected.

i'm 5'3 but unique

I am afraid and I was never taught how to do it so I don't know how it works. It's quite a unique interaction, you know? Totally unlike making friends in a standard setting like a class or job.

>>84051389
If you want something from women, but you don't approach them, the only non-cope reason is simply admitting that your fear of rejection is bigger than your desire to get love/sex/whatever you want from them. If you are too proud to admit this you will never get the courage to actually approach them.

Modern women are not worth approaching.

>>84051438
For how vague "cope" is, people use this word a lot

>>84051389
We committed the worst decision possible and decided to listen to what women want: and it turns out it's not pretty, and that even Chad is the bare minimum.
What kind of man would risk embarrassment for the "love" of such cruel and selfish beings?

At the core: the nature of women has been revealed, and it's not pretty.
Romance and courtship only made sense when we idealised women, when we thought they were kind, innocent and pure.

>>84051389
I am autistic and find social interactions to be too exhausting to be worth pursuing. I don't even interact with my friends for months at a time (or, at least, I think/hope they view me as a friend). But also:
>>84051440
I think this is the most real and easily-agreeable reason for most people. The challenge of learning how to do something new is very daunting if it carries a lot of weight to it (importance and seriousness) while at the same time having the fleeting nature of arbritary social rules at play.

>>84051443
>not attempting something means thinking the harms outweight the benefits
yeah, that should be rather obvious, but is there even a single person too proud to admit it?

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Because women literally say they don't want to be approached and most men are good people who don't want to creep out and bother women.

its simply embarrassing and very inorganic. its basically being a door to door salesman trying to convince someone you dont know at all to play with you genitals. and the mindset you have to put yourself in to deal with all the rejection that you will get is a very weird thing too, you basically have to not care about the result at all. but if thats the case then youre just flipping a value switch in your head on off like some android deciding on what feelings you should feel. the whole thing is so strange and anti human. wasnt much better in the past either because women were basically sold off by their parents.

>>84051389
I'm a socially retarded introvert

What's to be gained

>>84051389
Fear of rejection, low self esteem, learned helplessness, avoidant and "disordered* attachment styles, schizoid personality disorder, avoidant personality disorder, all brain problems. There's also "not knowing how to approach women" and "being thoroughly mindbroken".
How many of those sound like copes to you?

>>84051473
The fact is that in many cases, if you don't do anything too retarded, the harms are barely zeros. I know that many people think that getting rejected means being publicly shamed, but in reality it simply means that she will say no to you. That's it.

>>84051389
For me it was fear of rejection but it's because I knew I am not attractive. I've had women preventively reject me even though I didn't intend to ask them for their number.
I don't care anymore and can connect easily with people but now it's turned into not thinking most women worth asking out.

>>84051526
The harm mostly comes from the wasted time.

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>>84051389
I saw a video from a lawyer. He said he is defending men who are accused of sexual harassment. In many cases, nowadays, he said, men are accused for things that are legally not a crime at all, like just approaching women. And when the woman makes a scene then, gets loud, calls him a sexual predator etc, this can easily destroy his carrer. Because people don't care if it was a crime or not, rumors spreads fast, and suddenly he is "that guy who harassed women". That can also cost him his friends, even his marriage, and fuck up his life.
So, this lawyer said, he advises all men, in nowadays society, to not take the risk and approach women. It might go well, but it can also easily lead to a situation where he needs a lawyer then.

For me its because i dont wanna give people my energy anymore unless i get something in return, doesn't matter the gender. Women are just collateral damage.

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>>84051389
It's just genuinely a lot of effort, you may say it's a cope but there is no point in trying hard to appeal to women when men they find attractive are held to zero standards, it's virtually identical to the equal pay argument, equal work equal pay yet women treat nonchads like subhumans regardless of their personal deeds while treating chads like saints after committing reprehensible acts, at a certain point you have to come to terms with being unattractive and simply stop caring about women in order to protect yourself from the inevitable betabuxxing requests from women whom have "friends zoned you after pretending to be romantically intreasted to extract maximum labour before claiming incompatiblety when it's their time to reciprocate.

>>84051604
>I saw a video
something about sourcing the worldview from a video or dating advice involving the lawyers makes me relieved I don't participate

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There was a good looking girl on the bus. I was looking at her, not staring but looking. She then lifted her arm up for some reason, talking about deodorant with her friends or something (?), and proceeded to laugh while asking why I was looking at her armpits. In current year even looking at women is enough to get brutally made fun of.

>>84051649
You should've told her because I wanna lick them. Fuck foids and their horrible personalities.

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>>84051649
If I were you, I'd need to get old, fat and smelly before making unashamed leecherous stares

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>>84051649
>looking at women
Wear sunglasses

>>84051389
>What's the non-cope reason so many men refuse to approach women?

And fuck up my life again? No thanks

>>84051389
Same as with all low-ROI activities. The fear of wasting time.

>>84051389
realistic expectations and self awareness.

>>84051389
I have an avoidant type of personality where I crave friendship and affection but I am terrified of being rejected

>>84051389
What do you mean, non-cope? Like, you think there's some secret reason that we don't want to admit, like we're scared of rejection? This isn't a secret, but it's not the only reason either. Aside from the potential legal consequences of being a creep because you approached a woman who (it turned out) didn't find you attractive, most men actually don't wish to make women uncomfortable and it makes us uncomfortable to think that we are the cause of a woman's discomfort, so we don't approach.

Thus, the only men that are going to routinely approach women are those who are either completely oblivious or don't give a shit about the woman's feelings. And that lack of consideration is what women typically misinterpret as "confidence."

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>>84051389
You don't have personalities, interests, or kindness so unless you are having sex with us you aren't worth talking to even without the exaggerated risks of bitches Trying to get guys in trouble.

>>84051413
Fpbp
It may be due to feminism and metoo and all the other copes, but those things just cause fear of rejection.

>>84051762
women are terrified of approaching men too, they basically never do it unless theyre obsessively attracted to the guy. no one gives them shit about being scared of rejection. i dont think scared is the right word for it anyway, its more like the misery of being rejected, because its a shit feeling and everyone hates it unless theyre a literal sociopath

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>>84051782
Oh, and it wasn't like this. Women used to not be constantly seeking to be offended and virtue signal all the time.
Women used to be able to hang with the guys and be chill. Women used to like male hobbies like vidya, scifi, action movies, and outdoor shit.
That changed tho.
Now most bitches just post and argue online about pointless shit they don't understand.
And due to REALLY bad behavior and women using deflection with psychological diagnoses they learned on social media, men stoped trying to explain themselves and just quietly left.

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>>84051802
I've been approached. The thing is I don't take it seriously. Once a somewhat cute black chick told me I was really attractive when I was getting coffee. I pretended I didn't hear her and walked off fiddling with my headphones.

Wanna know why that is my reaction? I have had women tell me I am attractive a lot and half the time they don't mean anything by it or wouldn't do anything or date.
Wanna hear the craziest part, a woman can find a guy 100% attractive and have no interest in him at all.
When you start realizing women don't make sense and their words mean nothing you don't give a shit about what they say or believe them.

>>84051802
100% true. Many chicks used to have a crush on me but they never actually told me in my face. It wasn't until others told me that I began to notice it. Even my mom used to stalk my dad obsessively but never just asked him like a normal human being.

what a doomer shitshow

when you're at your limit and about to pass, do you think you'll be saying to yourself "man, I sure am glad I didn't ask those girls out, I might've got laughed at in the face or weird stares!"

>>84051825
>black chick
>approached
Every single time, can literally anyone except the honorary incels of women just womenup already? The bar is in sodom and gomorrah and foids still can't make it.

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>>84051445
They really don't seem to get this.
They put all their value in being pretty and don't get that they are horrible miserable shitty people to be around.
They dont get that we can compare to women 20 years ago and see the change.
They refuse to accept that this was their choice

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I found that book interesting.
A tomboyish lesbian woman who pretended to be a man and then tried to flirt and approach women in bars.
She said it was a hard experience how bad the women treated her, and she changed (some of) her opinions about male privileges in society.

>>84051842
Women don't want men, you can't make them like you. Women will not regret wasting their fertility. They're openly celebrating even now.

>>84051842
no i'll probably be thinking something like "the rope is rough, this is painful-ack"

>>84051842
so how much money have you spent at PUA bootcamps sanjay?

>>84051389
>non-cope reason
What does that even mean? What's a cope reason? Give me 10 examples. Don't use AI I'll know if you're cheating.

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>>84051389
fear of finding out the truth

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>>84051389
serious answer:
im broke and im not where i want/supposed to be in life, especially at my age
no matter how many signals to approach women send me, i ignore them
ive even been asked out plenty of times
i just think that it may be unfair to bring someone else to this shitty life of mine
my situation is probably more common out there

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>>84051854
Mulatto is probably a better way to describe her.
Honestly, I would have physically. She was attractive. But I don't like nigger bop music, going to the club, and I'm a tech nerd who likes hiking and listens to rock and metal.
What the fuck are we gonna have in common?
I give her props for shooting her shot. Timing was piss poor though.
I would have probably given her a shot.
>Thing is women often do shit like that with motives of their own.
>So I don't trust women who do that shit unless it's a sincere confession and we know each other.

Here is another story
>Hot girl I worked with in Highschool thought I was hot.
>She was hispanic/white.
>She made some blunt comments about me being hot.
>We had little in common. I was a punk rock type guy with issues at home. She seemed normal other than she experimented with drugs.
>Decided to meet up at my apartments.
>I tell her she's pretty I just don't know if I'm the kinda guy she's looking for.
We agreed to make out.
>She fucking bites my lips.
>Not playful biting. Like biting into an apple.
Stop her and say wtf?! Bro you're drawing blood. Says she'll chill.
>Does it again.
Alright I'm done. Goodnight I need to take care of my bloody lip.
>Starts shit talking me cause I wasn't being a real man.
>Figure she was just fucking with me the whole time.
>Makes passes at me in social media but I ignore it cause I figure she's just fucking with me and planning on laughing at me if I say yes.
>Blocks me when she gets a boyfriend
Cool thats over with.

Well a few years pass, and my final year on college I run into her on campus.
>We talk, cause despite our bad experience we were on friendly terms
>Explained that ex basically isolated her for years and treated her like shit and she was getting back in school.
The bad make out session came up. She appologized and said she didn't have much experience and was going off what she thought she was supposed to do and read. It was actually endeering.
Part 1

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>>84051964
Part 2.
>after apologizing I told her I thought she was always really pretty but I thought she was just trying to fuck with me and had I known all that I would have stayed with her that night.
>She offers to make out again as a sorry and we do, this time it's amazing.
>Exchange numbers and say keep in touch this time. She agrees.
We kept in touch, but then she texted me saying she was getting back.with the on again off again guy so she had to ignore me. I say it's probably not a good idea but it's her life and she knows how to reach me. She appologizes and says it's complicated. I started dating someone new. Eventually I get texts from her
>Me and him broke up. How are you?
Tell her I'm good but now I'm in a relationship, but if she wants to talk I won't ghost her and I consider her a friend.
>Oh you have a girlfriend. Ha ha, that sucks.
>tell her she's welcome to have a threesome with us.
She gets in a conversation about this and eventually agrees to try it cause why not. Gf is game.
>She invites me to a bar she is at.
>Show up with my gf.
>She left the bar, never told me anything, ghosted and blocked me entirely.....

It's shit like this which is exactly why I don't take women who say they like me and make a move seriously.

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>>84051649
>didn't lean in for a sniffa

>>84051842
i'll probably be glad that it's finally over

>>84051791
Those things increased the risk of rejection. Possible humiliation and mockery now are the lesser bad outcomes.

>>84051389
Anxiety, low self-esteem, avoidant personality disorder

>>84051456
This is cope, even worthless scums get engaged

>>84051389
Narcissistic personality disorder in my case.