>>16907391
Yes but the "problems" it creates aren't a symptom of ADHD, they are symptom of mistakes this society is making with how kids are educated in school and how they are stimulated/not stimulated beyond it.

It's gotten so bad that we're starting to see it with basically everyone in gen alpha now. This shit happens to everyone, in ADHD is just happens much faster due to the neurobiology of ADHD.

>>16907391
Even if it doesn't exist we should pretend it's real so we can lie to our doctors and get amphetamines

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>>16907391
yes but its not what people think it is

>>16907391

It's just narcissism.

>>16907391
Yes but it is misnamed. It's a generic executive dysfunction disorder. No genuinely intelligent individual requires the diagnosis let alone amphetamines to function. Every diagnosed individual is at best average intelligence and often more retarded. Once they run out of retards to diagnose, they'll have to either wait and exclusively diagnose children, or invent new names for the same executive disorder.

>>16907391
Let me summarize the thread before it happens
>It's just junkies wanting legal meth
>If you beat your children when they don't study, there wouldn't be any ADHD
>It's drug companies generating business
>It's doctors generating business
>It's school counselors feeling important
>It's soccer moms wanting their child to be unique
>Why don't we kill them and then they won't be a problem?

>>16909642
Wrong. Thanks for proving my point, adhdcel kek
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>>16909625
This. Just be selfish and claim you have adhd and then no one can blame you for anything. It really is that easy.

>>16909635
Intelligence isn't executive function and there are plenty of cases of high IQ individuals diagnosed with ADHD.

>>16909841
>Intelligence isn't executive function
Didn't say it is. Intelligent people need executive function like males need penises. Can you find fringe case exceptions? Sure, but they're also irrelevant.
>there are plenty of cases of high IQ individuals diagnosed with ADHD.
They are the exception, not the norm.

What a stupid fucking nigger question. ADHD is a name for the set of symptoms.
Do those exist? Clearly?

>>16909936
Found the dysfunctional retard kek

>>16907391
No

>>16907391
ADHD just means ur immune to the bullshit they're trying to indoctrinate you with, because it's fake and gay

>>16907391
Yes it's literally verifiable on a brain chemical level. ADHD is a condition where your dopamine receptors don't work right or something.
Do they do those tests to find out who has ADHD? No. But it is real.

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>>16909635
That is your opinion and I value it. At the same time, no, this is not true to my lived experience.

No, it's a a self identification part of the ego or mental state (disorder) that can be dissolved without external intervention like "medication" the problem it's in a sutil body of thyself.

>>16910773
>The literal definition of my diagnosis does not match my personal lived experience with this disorder
Can't make this shit up lmao

>>16910900
I agree with you about the generic executive dysfunction part; personally I see ADHD/Autism as more of a symptom than the actual root cause(s), which we have a lot to understand about still.
I disagree with you on the opinions and judgements in the rest of that post, based on my lived experience as an intellectually gifted ADHD autist

>>16911212
and although I'm medicated, I would not want to change whatever genetic/environmental cause(s) that lead to this. We all benefit from lone wolf inventors who think a bit different

>>16911212
>we have a lot to understand about still.
It's low IQ.
>>16911212
>my lived experience as an intellectually gifted ADHD autist
Kek lmao good b8

>>16910559
>Yes it's literally verifiable on a brain chemical level.
No, but it's a slogan

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>>16912022
>It's low IQ.
That is quite dismissive.
I only speak for myself, but no, when I've taken IQ tests I don't get the result of being approximately in the low IQ range. "High above average" range is what I tend to get.
That being said, I've felt like a huge idiot for most of my life until recent years. Partly from repeatedly being told I'm smart but my results not aligning with that, partly from being surrounded by exceptional people and taking that for granted. Diagnosis and treatment helped me turn that around.

You must understand that IQ tests only measure IQ. Nothing else. (Even then, it's an approximate IQ range, typically). It is a soft indicator of intelligence at best, not an objective measure that stands by itself a priori. IQ tests are contextually sensitive and are subjective because they depend on being compared to the pool of other testers.
And always keep in mind that the average IQ is by definition fixed at 100. So these claims about rising and lowering IQs, are missing a lot of nuance.

There is the concept of G factor, but I'm not familiar with how closely related it is to any specific or measurable biological identifiers.

And from what I've read of the literature, there is no strong correlation between ADHD and IQ. It impacts the entire intellectual demographic, seemingly equally.
I believe we should care for each other regardless of mental faculties.

We may dismiss people with low IQ, but without them to compare ourselves against, we wouldn't be able to claim to be the opposite.
You need people like them, to point the finger and tell them they're the idiot.

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>>16907391
>be me, sophomore in uni
>needed to actually apply myself in ways I never did in HS
>cant focus on a subject for more than 2 days
>always need auditory or visual stimulation in-between studying or when going to the bathroom, getting lunch, etc.
>realize my studying is super inefficient
>cortisol forces me awake around 5am everyday
>barely get any sleep
>always get super sleepy midday, lose a lot of time to study
>"I have classes in the morning I need to let my brain wind down so I can fall asleep sooner"
>lay in bed at 8pm, wanting to fall asleep at 10pm
>still cant fall asleep until midnight
>brain going crazy
>see on Xitter that ADHD can be indicative of a circadian rhythm disorder
>realizes.jpeg
>ignores social constructs of "normal time" for operation
>starts waking up and sleeping when I feel like it
>wake up at 5am
>study til 1pm
>sleep til 6pm
>study til 12-1am
>sleep til 5am
>all the sudden feel like my IQ increased 30 points

>>16915004
The only thing I'll agree with you on is that faggots with brain damage (hereafter called adhd) expose a flaw with IQ tests. General intelligence covers a wide array of cognitive functions including processing speed, working memory, problem solving, verbal fluency, social competence, interdisciplinary applications and more. This is quantified as a g factor, and often evaluated with a battery of assessments and summarized as an intelligence quotient (IQ).

Elements of the IQ battery that have extremely high g-loading (correlation to g) are typically mathematical in structure or purely logical in the form of the ravens progressive matrices. People with adhd can perform highly on these narrowly applicable assessments and score a high IQ. The problem is that these IQ assessments assume implicitly that the narrow range of data extends to other aspects of general intelligence, which indeed is true for any normally functioning brain.

When you have executive dysfunction your general intelligence is absolutely tanked across a wide spectrum of tasks. While one with ADHD can score high on IQ, the flaw in associating this with intelligence is applying a g-loading to a subpopulation of the dataset that it was never applicable to.

I should have been more precise by calling your ilk dysfunctional retards. When I say you have a low IQ, I mean that if I had to assign a number to your intelligence to quantify it, such number would be low.

>>16915151
I'm okay with that.

>>16915191 (same anon)
I took some time to reflect and try to understand without judgement the things written above and where that perspective is coming from, and from what I can sense:
That anon highly values hierarchy and structure, external justifications to be allowed to have self-worth.
The reductive framing of "the exception as the disfunctional minority" tells me you want certainty and simple answers, an easy way to classify human worth, and dislike having a worldview that is nuanced or ambiguous, or contains conflicting views. But that's life

What is the threat to their identity or status?
To me they seem very frustrated about something not related to this conversation. I do the same too though

>>16907391
Do you?

>>16915205
>>16915151

The critical poster is likely correct. I’ve been called adhd etc and I am capable of doing things most people cannot do in processing and organization, but am basically retarded in every other measure. The greatest general proof of the critical posters theory is seeing the general peaks of intelligence or genius in high laboratories of academia and the almost absolute absence of ADHD people in those spaces.

>>16907391
real psychoactive adhd is a high iq phenomenon it was created as a construct to prescribe adderall to retards that cant absorb material im sure its bad for endothelial health

>>16909635
First part true, second part bullshit.
Vyvanse keeps me employable. There is no downside to that, and ive been on it for 2 decades

>>16915913
The downside to ADHD meds that I've found after 16 years is they raise my body temp so I sweat more. They also make weed less pleasant.

>>16915962
Sweating for me maybe, but Ive never mixed legal meth with weed, so I wouldn't know.
You can just skip it on weed weekends

I'm probably full of shit but I always felt ADHD was the mind's inability to function under domestication. Their minds' are tuned for environments that require hyperawareness to everything around them. Now put these people in a dull room listening to some fat cunt lecture about Atticus Finch and they self-destruct. I bet if you put these people out in the woods for a week to hunt or something they would suddenly be "cured" because all their senses are being fully utilized. It's just people unfortunate enough to be born in the wrong era.

>>16909635
Is this why I have impaired executive function but never been hyperactive in my life.

It's gotten worse with worsening depression.

>>16917998
>A mind tuned to hyper awareness finds itself unable to be aware of anything in modernity
Retard alert!

>>16915348
ADHD people in general seem allergic to pedagogy, which participation in these environments is contingent on. Many don't seem to understand or perceive this minor fact.

>>16918030
Great retort. Thought provoking. So smart.

>>16917998
>I always felt ADHD was the mind's inability to function under domestication.
This is probably true but the rest of your reasoning makes no sense. The more situationally aware you are, the less stimulation you need to keep the mind occupied. If anything, modern conditions constitute a constant assault on every sense, so high awareness turns into over-stimulation. The most straightforward adaptation to such conditions is the dulling of the senses and the mind. So who knows. Maybe if you put a person with sufficiently dull senses but an insufficiently dull mind in a room with only mild stimuli, they suffer some kind of sensory deprivation and get agitated.

>>16917998
>Have an adhd kid at summer camp
>The kids play capture the flag, which should entertain the adhd kid quite easily
>The adhd kid gets bored after 5 minutes and starts sabotaging his team, after another 5 minutes he just fucks off because he got bored again
Idk how this kid would have fared in a genuine survival situation

>>16907391
>>16909501
In contrast to something like Down syndrome, ADHD and autism are constructs. They will cease to exist once we have a firm biological understanding of the neurodivergence.

>>16918576
>neurodivergence

>>16907391
many grifts exist communism, trannyism, psychology. adhd is one of them, so you can pretend to be a victim and special at the same time. although le autism is popular reddity grift im seeing more of this adhd larp nowadays

>>16918576
>They will cease to exist once we have a firm biological understanding of the neurodivergence.
The biological foundation is so flimsy and unstable that there is never going to be a clear one-to-one mapping like with Down's. The overlap in terms of biological functioning of somebody with ADHD and someone without a formal diagnosis are so close, regardless of how many papers claim there to be a statistically significant difference by average, that for a vast majority of them, a clear biological issue simply isn't there.

>>16919214
If only we used AI for something more productive than generating cute animal videos on Youtube for that sweet plagiarization money, it could amount to more than just something flimsy.

>>16919301
>it could amount to more than just something flimsy.
I doubt. ADHD is an idiosyncratic construct that psychological "research" in conjunction with insurance policy makers came up with to improve long-term outcomes of wage workers who scored this and that on some toddler and childhood observational manual. It's not like the biological "essence" of what ADHD is would immediately change when we just slightly change its definitions so it's just made up crap really.

>>16919314
what wage work benefits from amphetamines?

>>16919343
>what wage work benefits from amphetamines?
Honestly, I don't know and I don't think the amphetamines really worked out that well in the long run. Initially, psychologists genuinely believed that giving amphetamines to kids would help them concentrate in school and it would prevent them from dropping out and getting teenage pregnancies or something. But you never know how much of that is just people believing stuff and people falling victim to marketising.

>>16919343
Grading

>>16909625
>>16909828
Retarded boomers. ADHD'ers can smell a nsrcissist as soon as he/she enters the room.

>>16921948
That's called smelling your own fart.