Flynn was such a coping dumbass kek; it’s not like we didn’t have that one 2013 study pointing to us losing roughly 10-15 IQ points since the Victorian period

It was always irrational to assume we’ve gotten a lot smarter just because we can slightly boost education levels somewhat

More brown shitskins than ever speak English and more native speakers can't fathom large words

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The Flynn effect is horse shit.

Modern day people:

— ‘College students once stood out from the pack on IQ tests. Today, they're about average. A recent meta-analysis found that undergraduates' IQs have steadily fallen from roughly 119 in 1939 to a mean of 102 in 2022, just slightly above the population average of 100.’

Victorians as they were:

— ‘The Victorian era was marked by an explosion of innovation and genius, per capita rates of which appear to have declined subsequently. The presence of dysgenic fertility for IQ amongst Western nations, starting in the 19th century, suggests that these trends might be related to declining IQ. This is because high-IQ people are more productive and more creative. We tested the hypothesis that the Victorians were cleverer than modern populations, using high-quality instruments, namely measures of simple visual reaction time in a meta-analytic study. Simple reaction time measures correlate substantially with measures of general intelligence (g) and are considered elementary measures of cognition. In this study we used the data on the secular slowing of simple reaction time described in a meta-analysis of 14 age-matched studies from Western countries conducted between 1889 and 2004 to estimate the decline in g that may have resulted from the presence of dysgenic fertility. Using psychometric meta-analysis we computed the true correlation between simple reaction time and g, yielding a decline of − 1.16 IQ points per decade or − 13.35 IQ points since Victorian times. These findings strongly indicate that with respect to g the Victorians were substantially cleverer than modern Western populations.’

1. White people suck at breeding.

2. Why do we keep pretending that we aren’t getting dumber? The youth of today are aberrant creatures and can barely be considered human.

>>16909042
is this article talking about zoomers or alphas? I need to know to know if I should be mad or not.

Also, younger people aren't dumber, the issue is in the IQ tests, they need to be reformed to capture 21st century intelligence

>>16909058
>Also, younger people aren't dumber, the issue is in the IQ tests, they need to be reformed to capture 21st century intelligence
Why are you coping?

>>16909058
Um. No. It’s 100% the kids fault for not educating themselves properly. They look at redundant information bases. They’re not wise. They think they know better than everyone. This is why there won’t be another “lone genius” like Einstein. The mere idea is threatening.

No, it was a real effect it just masked G and leftoid parasites used it to justify funding subhuman education

>>16909157
*masked G decline

Also IQ was always a bullshit manipulated metric they literally designed it to hide sex differences so it's unsurprising you would see all these training effects

>>16909043
>Some victorian guys wrote that their reaction speed was X and that's higher than today's average and since reaction speed is correlated with other cognitive abilities this means people back then had a higher iq
We should put economists and psychologists in concentration camps and force them to derive every statistic from probability axioms until these subhumans stop doing shit like this

>>16909042
let me guess: the COVID generation, the one that had to learn through computers while being distracted by their phones (tiktok, instagram, games, ...), most of which didn't get a proper education (and some still don't) and cheated their way through school, is more retarded than previous generations.

>>16909061
education has nothing to do with IQ

Lower IQ is due to mass importing low IQ populations.. also diets getting worse, also rampant dysgenics within the white race

>>16909248
>education has nothing to do with IQ
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16909252
What pray tell is your argument?

>>16909042
between a generation raised with internet access and a generation raised with AI access, each generation loses more of the ability to think and reason.
They literally have to go back to paper homework and exams and just prohibit all electronics from the classroom. But rtarded teachers union would never allow it.

>>16909254
some of the things they "test" on IQ tests are literally taught in math classes. you develop skills from education, retard. go ask any teacher. genetics might play a role, but it isn't everything.

Let's think positively.
At least 4chan has a bright future.

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>>16909042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOqGXhn7YBA

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>>16909941
not with rapeape running things

>>16909352
Please give specific example including the test it came from. Pro-tip: Mensa Norway isn't a valid test.

>>16909352
IQ tests are typically about memory, pattern recognition, mental modeling, and logic. If it flags someone as retarded at these things, good chance he's a retard IRL.

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>>16910023
what is pic rel if not basic fucking math and pattern recognition?
from https://pdfhost.io/v/VvlBnkMt7_Mensa_Practice_Test_US (found in https://old.reddit.com/r/mensa/comments/juwfeg/leak_mensa_practice_test/)

>>16910026
>good chance he's a retard IRL.
sure, but that doesn't mean they will be retarded forever, or that they are ACTUALLY retarded.
riddle me this, batman: what was first, the chicken or the egg?
people might be bad at math and pattern recognition because of genetics, but ALSO because of many other issues, circumstances, etc. even because of simple ignorance.
also, people can develop logical thinking, pattern recognition and other intellectual skills in life outside school, you know?

>>16910000
uh excuse you, gurpreet is carrying jeffrey's flame very well actually

Flynn effect sounds correct. IQ peaking in the 1970s sound about like what we would expect

>>16910323

This.
The racial percentages of the population is changing.

>>16909042
Humanity doesn't even understand what "intelligence" is.

The Flynn effect was always a form of coping
No one wants to acknowledge where we are headed

>>16909058
>Also, younger people aren't dumber, the issue is in the IQ tests, they need to be reformed to capture 21st century intelligence

Kys you pathetic nigger

>>16909043
>slightly boost education levels
by moving the definition of "education" to something a lot less rigorous or demanding, mind you

applies to grad shit obviously but im the states you basically can't even flunk someone in school because of the no child left behind policy

>>16910325
IQ only seems to have peaked in the 70s because that's when they stopped getting debuffed by leaded gasoline

>>16910815
Generation Micro-Plastics in their brain

>>16910828
Sad!

>>16910072
>what was first, the chicken or the egg?
the egg, obviously, because egg-laying reptiles existed before chickens existed
faggot

>>16909252
Public education is just daycare.
College is just a debt trick.
Most college students paths are not STEM.

>>16909042
Wait until AI generation grows old enough to do those test. They will be most retarded generation in recorded history and (((they))) are already talking about repurposing schools to raise good people, since everything else can be done by AI. It's a perfect storm.

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It wasn't supposed to be a documentary.

>>16911737
But Mike Judge literally said it was?

>>16909042
>First generation to be more conservative than the preceding one
>First generation to be dumber than the preceding one
hmmm

>>16909042
The vast majority of people are barely capable of being fry cooks at McDonald's.

>We're the smartest ever

K

>>16911943
Don’t pretend this isn’t a consequence of liberals telling people that men can get pregnant.

>>16912037
It's okay zoomie, you're just not smart enough to be progressive

>>16911668
>Public education is just daycare.
funny you say that. my ex was a private school teacher. the shit she saw there was worse in comparison to my public school. imagine paying to "educate" your children with other entitled (on top of mentally unstable) little pieces of shit lmao
you are right in a sense, though: private ed gives you a good start simply because of "networking"

>>16912037
>liberals telling people
Only rednecks are people, everyone else is communist.

>>16909042
The negative Flynn effect has been observed for more than 5 years dumbass

>>16909047
>reaction time
Lmao, fucking pathetic. This is all the """evidence"""

>>16909042
answer this instead you psychometric midwit
>>16911788
Your whole field is a laughable fraud and all yall belong in prison for scientific misconduct

I think the first person to invent/recreate fire or build the first wheel was morally lucky.

>>16909165
>Also IQ was always a bullshit manipulated metric
then go ahead go study for a IQ test and get 200 points

oh wait you cant.

>>16909042
I'm glad every generation of North Africans is continually getting more intelligent because they have like 7 kids on average.

>>16909058
>they need to be reformed to capture 21st century intelligence
How fast you can swipe your phone with one hand while vaping in the other?

>>16912561
Anon, You misuderstand my meaning.
The IQ test was specifically designed to remove any IQ difference between men and women.
It was designed to be gender neutral so they disposed of the tests that benefited men or women but mostly those that benefited men

It was ALWAYS bullshit ALWAYS

>>16910815
nope, they stopped selling leaded gas in the mid 90s, peak blood lead levels came in the 80s

>studies show the effect is across racial lines
>people blame race anyway
hahaha you're going to get into the "it's everyone for themselves" scenario where basic sanity becomes more precious than money. This is basically already the case from my point of view.
>want to binge watch television for five hours tonight?
>let's take psychoactive medication every day several times a day with little to no actual knowledge of what it is or what it does!
>I went into $160k for a business degree and I work at Target. My backup plan was social justice

>>16913163
Waiting on proof...

Let's say hypothetical I am very wealthy and will live sixty more years. What will 2086 look like? What has sixty years of 5g handheld supercomputer internet devices done to the humans? Well I basically expect the smartphones to take over. You'll look at humans but they'll be like androids or operating systems on the phone wearing a human skin-suit, like everything they do is expectedly predicate on algorithms whether it's through curated services' machine drift, or through direct advertising. Either way it's mentally parasitic and malicious.
>hey uhh why are you dress in cheap slutty clothing from fucking Shein?
>oh I see you're retarded and poor

But me personally I'm ready for nonsense insanity retarded evil planet. This is NWO? This is our new management?
>hey Trumpo what's 30% of the economy directed towards? cars? No it's AI
>you see we'll get the AI datacenters to convert drinking water and electricity into fucking brainrot
>all we have to do is hook people on to shitty AI tools and then we can charge them subscriptions out the ass when they forget how to do simple things themselves
>they're legal citizens but are basically zombies
>oh hey the only use for AI that's seen anywhere near mass adoption is cheating at school and porn
>I'm glad college students are so rich nowadays for subscription cheating services
>but at least the data centers are super fucking noisy so they just crash the property values of people around them into shit crater
I think history was always fucked up in some way or another but at least I truly see it now

>>16915174
Proof of what?

>>16915183
I would live next to a data center waterfall desu

>>16909047
Why would you trust reaction time measurements from 1889?
No one trusts any measurements from 1889 in any field today.

>>16909058
They're eating laundry detergent anon. Laundry detergent. There is no version of any reality where that isn't fucking stupid.

>>16915478
t. Poor reaction times

:

> https://stevenschwartz.substack.com/p/getting-dumber-the-reverse-flynn
> Getting dumber: the reverse Flynn effect and the politics of denial
> For decades, humanity appeared to be getting smarter. Then, inconveniently, it wasn’t. IQs are now sliding backwards, and instead of asking why, we’ve decided to pretend intelligence doesn't matter.

>>16915478
anon, how long ago was the inch standardised?

>>16915786
>we’ve
Who is this we?

>>16915791
Everyone who ever supported the Flynn effect. It was a no brainer that we’ve been getting dumber. An increasing access to knowledge doesn’t guarantee people won’t breed poorly or develop pride to the point where they can no longer listen.

It was always a form of cope
Always

>>16909042
>my Factor-Analysis fraud masquerading as Science asserts that intelligence is hereditary and thus needs thousands of years to undergo significant change in the population by means of natural selection
>my measured "intelligence" in large populations keeps changing within short timespans like 10-20 years refuting my claim that what I measure could be hereditary

I dont think Flynn is the one with pie on his face, breh

>>16915811
FA fraudsters really have no sense of shame. IQ rises or IQ shrinks in populations are both equally big problems for the proposition that IQ tests measure innate qualities. You fagets trying to pass this off as a win when it literally destroys all your claims is lulzy to say the least

>>16909042
kek

Quality of life in childhood is the best predictor of IQ, and IQ itself is just one metric. This indicates that the developed world has been treating people worse, which is obvious to anyone who has eyes.

People on here will bitch and moan about whites and muh IQ but truth is they aren't particularly good at the things IQ is supposed to make you good at either.

>>16909042
Lmaoooo the Flynn effect max has an impact of .2-.5 points on FSIQ and there are confounding variables aka features that are derived from what can explanatorily be definitive of sub test score changes

>>16909042
>why dont boomers give us their shit?
Now we found the zoomer issue: Skill issue.

>>16909248
this
>>16909252
education didn't help you

>>16918437
I believe there were research studies which have shown that education correlates with IQ positively.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6088505/
But even if this study is incorrect or makes false conclusions, we need to be certain if IQ is entirely genetic, enviromental, or both. Basically we need to figure out whether lowering IQ rates are due to genetics, poor education (either because the system is bad, or because the younger generation does not want to study; I mean half of our future doctors will pass med school with ChatGPT.) It's not an easy thing to solve so we can't argue now whether it's caused by X, Y or Z, or something else entirely..

>>16909042
Duh

>>16909042
If the test is trainable it just tests if students are being trained.
Falling scores indicate an irrelevant test or poor training

>>16909042
The Flynn effect was just caused by us both banning leaded gas in cars and the Haber-Bosch process creating a food surplus that led to much higher rates of nutrition. We're just observing the fallout now that that's evened out.

>Flynn effect stops
>It was always bullshit
these are not the same thing and I doubt it stopped this is just the effect of no school during covid

>>16909042
Nope. Flynn effect predicted that poor regions will have faster IQ growth as they become more developed.

>>16909042
this was done on purpose to destroy your civilization.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Af-k9sTAYEQ

>>16910323
>>16910332
YOu know no one does IQ tests in Africa, right? These all have to do with developed and developing nations in the Americas and Europe (possibly Oceania as well).

>>16909042
No shit retard LMAO kys

>>16920935
Do you forget that much of africa was ruled by euros with teams who performed various studies on the native tribes.

>>16923204
Euros didn't care about the IQ of Africans so much as using them as hard labor for building their empires. Why do you think they put them in jobs that didn't require a lot of thinking but a lot of strength to perform them? That goes for any colonial superpower in history from the Romans to the Turks to the Spaniards,French and English: you don't put your slaves in positions of power where they can undermine you or even give them the chance to think they can or are able to do such.

>>16909042
funny how they chose to pull out an all-white stock image for that article