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Xy is so unfathomably powerful that his ability to destroy all the demons or devils in the outbreak war is a real thing.
He would likely wake up the rest of the Old Ones before he acted either way. he would deffintly make one or both sides of the war heel to his will.

But I think its far more useful for them(old ones) to just feed the war and let it go longer and harder to give them cover and time to re-build whatever mechanisms and power bases before retaking the Megaverse. Im sure the other old ones would need time to recoup when taken out of torpor. At least writing wise they should need to otherwise its just game over for everyone and no need to write a whole book about it.

>>97537742
Nice, I was just about to post a new RIFTS(TM)(C) thread.

BTW previous thread --> https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97415753

I liked this Tattooed Warrior token here https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97415753/#q97497222. Any chance of more like this?

>>97537966
I never use tokens to play rifts, its always theater of the mind. Especially for outdoor engagements, the massive distances of a power armor flying at mach 1 and laser rifles and such is hard to put into token form. With the turning radius of a samas flying over head meaning they probably only fly by once every round or 2 to be in range and all

>>97537742
>>97537843
>Will Toth wake up and end or lead the war as Xy?
QRD on this Palladium Fantasy mythology? I'm not familiar with it. Did the Rifts Blood War thing get merged with the Fantasy world? We never got a definitive god metaplot in Rifts (for good reason). Is the Blood War finished or still ongoing in published books?

>>97538069
So Xy is the greatest of the old ones, he and the other old ones and their alien intelligence underlings (the level of power needed to make an alien intelligence heel is wild) anyhow instead of all creation being made by good its basically all made by evil that created servants and powers that worked against them in the end. Good and evil decided being owned was too much so angels and demons sided together type shit for their own freedom and others.
the old ones created a lot of the races from elves, wolfen, giants (most), minitors, ect.
in the end of the war The Old Ones couldnt be destroyed so they were put to sleep, or in the case of XY he was tricked into walking into one of his own magic circles that changed his alienment from evil to good, wiped his memory and ejected him into the depths of the megaverse. He was still the most powerful being ever in palladium (all settings) but he doesnt know it anymore and belives himself far weaker than he actually is.
Eventually he re-emerges as Toth a god of magic and knowledge, and has forgotten more spells than most gods know. If Toth ever remembers who he was and how powerful will he go back to evil? stay good?
anyhow Toth is active in Rifts setting, the minnion wars extend to HU, rifts, PF, BS, Nightspawn.

this is just a broad what if, would Xy reconquer the demons and devils? pick a side to take over and crush the other, arm both sides and use it as a distraction to be left alone while waking up the other old ones.(this is my thought).
would the demons and devils drop the war and battle against the old ones again or submit.

its kinda the over arching meta plot of most palladium games. it would be a good ending to the minnion wars to have a reason for them to stop fighting.

>>97538375
Thank you for the summary, schizoanon. \
>Toth
Shouldn't that be spelled 'Thoth'?

>>97539347
>Shouldn't that be spelled 'Thoth'?
yeah but you seem really word about the t's got something you wanna tell us? j/k

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Why didn't Chi-Town and Free Quebec attack Lazlo from two sides and crush them? Instead they fought each other... somehow... over the same area as Lazlo exists in. How?

>>97541686
What? I thought Free Quebec had an alliance with Chitown.

But anyway, the idea for the most part is that Chitown and Quebec dont attack Lazlo because they straight up are out of good luck. Tolkien and the Federation of Magic campaigns only worked because their opponents lost their allies. In this way its most likely they know that a war with Lazlo is going to escalate into a world with everyone because Lazlo is making allies and is going to keep them, it made the difference in the last two wars so even an idiot would know to do that. They also know how badly they handled the juicer uprising and how the CS can be disrupted with quick strikes and cowardice or mistakes in a command structure that doesnt tolerate questions means that their command is a weakness.

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I'm continuing with the request. Next is a T-Montster-Man and the description seems to really want ogre T-men so I'm doing that. Last chance to ask for what tattoos they get. As established I will put it in especially if you joke about it.

I'll also revisit western Atlantean because even though leather daddy vampire hunter is funny, I don't think that will help anyone wanting an Atlantean New West token.

>>97537966
You mean more tattooed warrior or portrait tokens?

>>97542697
These look good, all rhoided up ogres. For tattoos, instead of individual symbols maybe a random full-skin tat patch like yakuza have would look better? Less gay ghetto style.

>>97538375
Cool beans. So do the Old Ones work with (or control) other races or places on Rifts Earth, like the Splugorth, Atlantis, Lord of the Deep, Yama Kings?

>>97541686
Their schism is stupid anyhow, the cs could have had a neighbor that was diffrent but equal ala spain and the axis and be fine. But the two had to be in a pissing match over whos the best humans, sad really.
>>97542192
>and how the CS can be disrupted with quick strikes and cowardice or mistakes in a command structure that doesnt tolerate questions means that their command is a weakness.
The real issue was the cs didn't deploy more air power and failed to capitalize on their command and control advantage.
The cs is one of few powers in the world with full air superiority. They should be fully mopping anyone that masses forces anywhere near them

>>97545098
No none the old ones are awake and functioning anymore.
Toth doesnt know hes an old one and is a god of light now.
Church of dragonwright is active in both rifts earth, 3 galaxies, and Palladium
Church of lifht and dark are active in all 3 as well.
Both were involved in the big one against the old ones
The only millional tree in palladium is on top of an old one and conects to 2 in rifts earth

The spligorths other than splyncryth are imvolved in finding the forge in the 3 galaxies (pre-minnion war mind ya)

>>97545098
Also the lord of deep is basicly a non actor, but the psi Alien intelligence from psiscape was associated with the old ones if I remember right

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>>97544488
Yeah, I think if TMen were real they would have normal tattoo patterns to work in the designs.

>>97538375
Does that have anything to do with the three Lords of Magic in dwemmer city in Federation of Magic possibly being one single god who split himself and forgot about it?

Serious talk, bullet, laser or plasma? Has range ever been a factor in your games?

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>>97544488
kk

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>>97553841
>>97544488
Here is a more flora one. I liked the shoulder strap. Now I can try to work in black tatts into the design but then again, these are mook tokens. I don't really know if that would really be useful to players.

Also, yes, I'll de tan his head. The model kep spitting out ogres of every color but whitey.

>>97553841
>>97553846
That's pretty good. Can you make some non-ogre Atlantean ones that have glowing blue or red tattoos? Thank you.

>>97558763
How italian you want them?

>>97550352
Laser with Laser mage buffs.

Or a TW Boomgun

>>97550352
Range is often an issue in our games, have to often take negatives for shoot 2x maximum range.

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>>97559049
Venetian, not Sicilian. Never mess with a Sicilian. Thank you.

>>97550352
Bullet and Laser have good range.
Plasma has higher damage but bad range.
Laser is less effective against reflective armor (like the Glitter Boy) and in fog/storms/clouds.
Bullets/kinetic slugthrowers have best penetration vs armor.

Metal Heads should be able to choose other cyborg body chassis. Its stupid to think they'd all be these weird custom jobs when the best thing to do is just start with what already exists.

Also. Are there any cool cyborg options in Three Galaxy or adaptable from Heroes?

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>>97558763
Here's a draft. I figured a slave soldier female would be shaven with a horrible haircut or never cut her hair, ever. Has an evil step S&M mom vibe, which works great for Alantis.

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>>97564758
>>97558763
And here's one based off the cover girl of the book. I figure they would give her some Blind Warrior Women for increased drip, also I thought it wasn't looking Rifts enough.

>>97564758
>>97564810
Very cool! We really do need more Altaran Warrior Women variants and specialists. They're clone soldiers but they're not all perfect at everything about war.

>>97570166
>Very cool! We really do need more Altaran Warrior Women variants and specialists. They're clone soldiers but they're not all perfect at everything about war.
I should do a blind warrior woman, just a base one in different poses.

I REALLY should do CS units first though.

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I found some art from Heath Foley. He stats it was for a miniature war game that got scrapped so I think it might have been from the failed Kickstart projects.

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>>97576436

"Barge women" The mummy version is neat.

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>>97576441
Thorn demon, which I cannot recall.

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>>97576444
And a tolkieener

>>97564423
>Also. Are there any cool cyborg options in Three Galaxy or adaptable from Heroes
>or from heroes
Conical boides yo! Wheeled legs! Its the shit!

Really though if its TW I think the photograph camera from heroes should be a mod because I think everyone from Palladium have never heard of this bit but its a thing that ghosts and the supernatural appear in non digital photography and if you are in Lazlo or dealing with magic I think invisible entities is going to come up. Keep in mind there are lots of ways to see invisible but in Rifts its actually really difficult to record them with a device.

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>>97576825
There is the SNARL system from japan

>>97576825
Which books? Where do I find this stuff?

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>>97578054
Sourcebook 1 has a lot of stuff on robot creation, heroes unlimited has a lot on SDC robot creation. I dont recall anything in three galaxies about robot creation but I'll look some more.

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>flaked one game
>now the whole group is disbanding

Don't know if it was my fault or something happened at the game but I ain't playing RIFTS anymore. Thanks for listening to my blog.

>>97583458
Offer to gm. Nothing is more appealing to a table

>>97537742
Can anyone post or link to the artwork used for the Bio-Borg Juicer or Hecate in her symbiote armor?

>>97586115
I cant f I nd it online! I did find this which displays my feelings at the matter
>Well twist my nipple screws

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>>97587570
I forgot thr image. It makes more sense with that.

>>97581936
Yeah I already have Source book 1. Im looking for something novel

>>97593332
Bionics source book
Russia
New west
Japan
Ngr 1 and 2

All have lots of cyborg stuff

>>97593351
They have a bunch of the same reprinted stuff. Except NG1-2 what does that have?

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>>97576441
Here is a Basic blindie

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>>97593636
Here is a veteran blind woman. Was thinking of putting some mask or head dress but I don't know. What you guys think? I tried genning a little fairie trapped in her necklace, because that's who they roll in At-Town, but it's a bit small to gen.

>>97583458
The slow death! That's happening to my group as well.

It's this damn employment thing, man!

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>>97586115
Is this the one?

Absolutely no one:
Librarian explaining the basis for their new War Mount Project: "TUMOURS!"
Yes this is just using Cancer Cells to build a Shoggoth, but that sort of thing is cool.

>>97593522
Ngr cyborg frames and rules for droping your brain into robots/power armor

The clasic red, blue, gold cyborg bodies, the heavier ones in ngr1
Ngr2 has the updated versions and different heavy weapons for cyborgs.

>>97594860
Cool ill take a look. I thought NG1-2 was mostly just a power armor catalogue

>>97595008
Alot of 2 is, but 1 has a good amount of lore/setting
Unique gypsy classes
And info that totally up ends the gargoyle lore that is set forth in the hades books, forcing you to choose which flavor you like.

>>97595037
Oh. I misread, my apologies. I thought you were talking about Northern Gun 1 & 2, not NGR. Ill still give it a look

>>97594437
The number of people scrambling to the door when they hear the phrase "we need volunteers"

>>97595383
Oh the northern gun books are totally toy catalogues, in that way you are completely correct.

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>>97593704
As part of a one for me gen I tried making a splicer.

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>>97603686
And here's an attempt at a rock chomper dreadguard with acid sword.

Tell me about your party bases, your HQs, your houses and homes.

How do you guys travel in RIFTS Earth and how do you keep yourself protected? What kind of defenses do you set up?

>>97603983
In Rifts games Ive been in, the party always goes for a heavily armored RV vehicle. We never have enough for a flying transport so its always the mountaineer ATV for a start.

>>97604057
Where do you sleep?

>>97603983
I've had players build bases in castles on a rocky hill, in a temporary pocket dimension, and above a bar. Mostly they're travelling though, because I like exploration and the same place gets boring after a while. They have used rifts to travel around a bit... but in my game it's a very risky proposition, even for a LLW, with random ley line encounters, chance of storms, weird eruptions, bodily changes, and even totally rift collapse. When rifting goes wrong they've been thrown randomly into: Wormwood, an undead kingdom, a hellscape, a null-sensory limbo, a tropical paradise with killer robots, and other dimensional hijinks. They generally don't set up defenses other than relying on their danger sense powers and a sentry at night as they're not great min-maxers in regards to the mechanics.

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Do you guys use ai in your games, for art, text, planning encounters, NPC descriptions, or anything else?

I'm amazed that ai chatbots can generate Palladium stats instantly even though many of them say they can't reference Palladium-specific names precisely.

>>97604092
Never an issue. The mages meditate in chairs and the party is full of godlings or enhanced humans who need barely 4 hours of sleep once a week. We alternated laying on the backseats.

>>97603983
Couple recent ones
>large mdc shipping container
The worst and cheapest
>robots carried yurt style tents on their backs and we would set up most night with those
Worked well and kinda just hand waved it cause didn't feel like every night should be a fight.
>holy water misting system and tw storm and sun flares set up as trip wires. 4 auto turrets and bed rolls...in Mexico
This worked pretty good till the auto guns ripped up some innocents fleeing vampires. Party felt pretty bad.
>explorer behemoth robot, 4 mages and an npc pilot.
Walk to leyline, post up, do lots of magic, move on. Total party wipe when faced by 2 balrogs that they thought they could take, npc ran and survived.

We are always on the move I cant remember a static area weve held for more than a month.

>>97605506
I make tokens but the GM never used them. How did you make that one? Img2img or has grok found out what Rifts is?

>>97606830
I misread that second one and thought you had for robots carrying a tent on a platform palaquin style. I think ill try that one day.

>>97593737
Thats the juicer. Thanks.

>>97606830
I like the robot/power armor cockpit tent thats in one of the books

I can stand having a character just sleep on a bedroll outside. Even in D&D. If I can help it my character will always create a shelter of some kind. Hopefully one that can protect him & avoid detection if possible. Way too easy for a dude with a thermal scope to merk you

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>>97609190
I've seen a lot of players say that their character sleeps in their power armor. I always imagined sleeping in a cramp vehicle like that is like sleeping in a piece of exercise equipment, if you roll or move any which way the thing will bend around or you'll tumble out of it. I of course am basing this on the one time I did have to sleep on a piece of exercise equipment. It was basically a cot that folded in the center to help do ab crunches. It was a terrible experience.

I just now realized how much stuff for Dead Reign came out in the past decade, do people even play those?

>>97616398
We played it for one campaign like 5 sessions. Head shots are not easy to make in palladium, if you are fighting say 4 basic zombies with 4 players.
If you make 1 or 2 tries at head shots and don't drop the zombies first round, they will howl and start summoning more, also your gun shots will summon more. If you shoot main body hitting them is easy but they can soak alot of sdc and natural armor class makes about half your hits Useless and all 4 players better be targeting the same one

Anyhow slamming waves of zombies is kinda what we were looking for and its more alot of running away...alot
The non standard zombies get hard to kill fast and there are soooo many verrities youll be able to fight one a night for a year

Anyhow, its ok but the zombies are to rugged

>>97616398
Kevin was really into the Walking Dead when it was airing like all boomers at the time.

>>97617847
Kinda it wasn't written by him, just edited and tuned up by Kevin .
It was a submitted manuscript by 2 diffrent Josh's.
Dont know where your getting your info that it was him boomering out

>>97620367
>>97617847
>>97616398
>>97617664
Kevin has said in recent interviews that lately it's climbed to the number 3 spot. People seem to like the fine points of the OCCs just having different skills over having straight up super abilities only they can do.

>>97621807
I assume TMNT is currently 2nd behind Rifts, then dead riegn, then palladium fantasy, then Heroes Unlimited, then the rest bearly move

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>>97623994
You don't have to remind me!

>>97617664
>Zombies are too rugged
I know they have like supernatural strength, right? I also remember that shooting their brains are always am additional shot, one to destroy the skull and another to take out the exposed brain. In essence the skull is like a helmet.

>>97537742
>Will Toth wake up and end or lead the war as Xy?
Uncle Kev explicitly states he never will.

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Anyone find a PDF copy of the new TMNT & Other Strangeness Redux? Some content creators got PDF copies -- someone just has to do a homie hookup.

>>97627555
Just buy the book, its a good book.

>>97625391
Are you incapable of a hypothetical?

>>97628959
I have it, but prep from PDFs.

>>97629304
Ahhhh
Scan the pages old school.....

>>97627555
Im still waiting for the LazloRAW anon to post the magic spells section

>>97627555
Could check the treasure island thread, cap'n

>>97630676
Raw annon here
Didn't even know it was requested.

Give me a sec

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>>97634771
>>97630676
They are absolutely shitty spells, bording on useless

>>97634801
I mean truly shitty spells

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>>97634813
Forgot pic sorry

>>97634801
>>97634821
These spells are pretty good actually.

Bubble wrap poisonous things or dangerous artifacts you don't want to touch. I could see a mage bubble wrapping a dudes gun so he can't pull the trigger, or bubble wrapping the controls to an alarm or computer or whatever.

Create Stone, Fortify & Sift are good construction spells & can help find buried treasure, gemstones & ore for mages/TWs & make your campsite stronger

Spiritguard Greater shuts down mages hard & if you're dealing with a possessing demon/entity you could just lock it into the person & the cast Amber Clad for containment. I can imagine an entire adventure based around an Amber Clad prison that's failing & releasing a whole bunch of bad things

Would you mind posting the equipment in the book too please?

>>97634986
Maybe in awhile im at work, but you should just buy the book used

>>97634986
>the cast Amber Clad for containment.
I mean you missing the fluff where lazo sends squads to get you is you have the spell and mind wipes your ass.

It may as well be a spell of legend, 400 ppe, 20ft range lv14....so good luck combat casting that, its a jailers spell that is likely known by 20 dudes

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>>97603839
Alright, breaks over. Time to get down in chi-town. The helmet in this scrap gen turned out remarkably well.

Any CS bullshit brand tokens you guys want? Prosek? Prosek on a bike? The officer from Juicer uprising in a juicer harness? Bradford riding a giant dogboy like masterblaser? The excessively well paid mages that protect the proseks in the astral realm?

>>97636806
>The excessively well paid mages that protect the proseks in the astral realm?
Mind melters protect the emperor in the astral relm

>>97635523
>>97634821
I suppose it is a reminder that Lazlo is not a happy land separate from Rifts and that even the happiest nicest land has a bizarre, likely war crime form of capital punishment. Also it's probably more of a plot hook to break someone out of jail than anything.

>>97636884
That would make more sense, yes.

>>97636806
Prosek is secretly an Astral Lord who has a bunch of immunities in his personal Astral Realm & he uses Astral construct proxies & such to obfuscate where he is at all times

>>97637601
And his son, Prosek II:Revengence? Gigantic combat cyborg with giant spider legs. What we know as Jojo Jr. Is actually a life sized hand puppet he sticks through doorways like the King from the Neighborhood of Make-believe. Its a secret maintained to get the drop on any large scale assassination attempts after the Gargoyle assassination in the NGR.

The fact that no one has questioned why they have not seen his lower body in years nor why his hands are felt mittens proves how much Joe Prosek II is an excellent propagandist

>>97638868
I hate the very existence of the joke about the possibility that the ultimate chad is not the 2nd comming of human virtue and power.

>>97641634
The first coming is Joseph Prosek Uno, of course.

>>97641634
>>97642691
Personally, I cant wait til the metaplot leads Joey to assassinate his father & seize power

>>97642729
>son of dictator
>propaganda minster
>Completely evil treacherous bastard
>literally one stab away from seizing the largest power in the continent

And people argue with me that wouldn't happen. I'd give Savage Rifts more credit if that did happen in its timeliness since that would add more credence to castle refuge being allowed to exist: The coalition is changing leadership to a new but more malicious leader so things are in disarray.

>>97646343
Id like to see Joey pull a coup & then the Republicans step in & we end up with a shattered Coalition. Bradford going full Baxter Stockman in Texas. Republicans claiming some part & coming into the light. Chitown under the heel of Joey, & maybe that one half decent general guy trying to salvage another state