Spike players drinks with LSD and show them the rorschach test.

>>97552010
The "biblically accurate angels" meme is nonsense. Angels are only ever depicted in the bible as appearing to be normal-ass-lookin dudes. So often that it's a recurring theme that people only find out later "hey by the way? that was an angel." Cherubim from Ezekiel are never once called angels in the bible. Seraphim from Isaiah are never once called angels in the bible. Those are all much later, medieval categorizations.

Biblically accurate angels? Perfectly normal-looking human beings.

>>97552010
>weirdo things in the Bible?
guaranteed replies

>>97552352
Well, there are a couple times god literally appears as a blazingly-bright creature of boiling metal whose face is so radiant that you'll melt if you look at him. And some translations DO refer to those as "angels" because later traditions changed the text. But in the text itself, just fyi, those were originally depictions of god, rather than angels.

>>97552361
I guess that's what's happens you make a thread about a topic people are interested in discussing?

>>97552010

Depends heavily on the game and setting. I've had proper NGE angels with serial numbers filed off in Bliss Stage and riffed on dnd couatls

>>97552010
A mix of all them, of course. Megaten style.

I like eldritch angels, but calling them "biblically accurate" irks me.
Which is probably OP's goal as >>97552361 noticed.

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I'm partial to the Cherubim, myself.

>>97552010
The eye wheel creatures only accompanied angels, they weren't the actual angels who are always described as winged humans

>>97552010
>>97552352
I don't know about the accuracy with holy texts, but I do enjoy the so called 'biblically accurate' look, because I like the idea of demons and evil creatures being smug as shit and rejoicing in their terrifying nature right up until these celestial beings of light show up and they start shitting their pants. And while you can totally have this happen with humanoid angels, be they beatific or unremarkable, visually speaking I think it's much easier to sell the idea when the angel's appearance is a mindfuck to the audience themselves. Same logic why demons themselves are generally depicted as scary looking monsters.

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>>97552010
Like this

>>97552010
If the angel is just some agent of the celestial bureucracy (or whatever else you have in your setting), then it should be some humanoid.
If the angel in question is some sort of big-name celestial being, go the 'biblically accurate' meme route.

>>97552010
What role do they perform?

>>97552010
>physically
You could use minis or prop-up bases with paperboard. Or show the players a character sheet with a drawing, or a print-out.
There are quite a few other ways I didn't mention, too.

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>>97552352
>The "biblically accurate angels" meme is nonsense.

No, it fucking isn't. Just because reddit is right about something doesn't mean that you idiots have to be wrong to spite them, dumbass.

>Angels are only ever depicted in the bible as appearing to be normal-ass-lookin dudes.

When they're appearing incognito and are not recognized as angels.

>So often that it's a recurring theme that people only find out later "hey by the way? that was an angel."

BECAUSE THEY WERE DISGUISED.

>Cherubim from Ezekiel are never once called angels in the bible. Seraphim from Isaiah are never once called angels in the bible.

Oh really? And tell us Mr. Biblical scholar, what words are used?

>>97552503
>actual angels who are always described as winged humans

Apart from seraphim whose entire bodies are obscured by three pairs of eyeball covered, flaming wings there is not 1 (one) single description in the bible of angels as "winged humans".

>>97552352
Reminder that the bible is a fanfiction sub-culture that persisted and grew through historical accident. It's literally like if furries became a religion. They pull from the pop culture entertainment and beliefs of the age which spawned them. Disney's Robin Hood and Star Fox and Star Wolf form a holy trinity. The Thundercats become spiritual servitors (angels).
That's what happened with the bible. The local religions and myths of the time period were all mashed together and revised through retcons and remakes exactly the way Netflix shows do it to popular novel series like the Wheel Of Time or the Witcher or Song Of Ice And Fire. It's literally that process. Some asshole storyteller thinks they can do a better job than the original poet, so this character is introduced later or omitted entirely. That event occurs in this spot instead of later on. No actually that's his sister, and she's really the other guy's mother which explains why those characters are developing romance with characters they didn't in the source books... Etc.

Cherubim and seraphim were like that. They were mythological monsters and creatures who originate in previous legends. As those originating culture got consumed and integrated, their beliefs and myth cycles mutated and were incorporated.

Guess how many mythological demigods were said to have had a virgin birth of some kind. God on. Guess. Guess, I dare you. I'm sure you've heard of how horny Zeus was. You think even he was the first god to have stories told about him raping mortals? Come on. Seriously. Read a fucking book, please. All of you. I would recommend starting with Carl Sagan's "The Demon-Haunted World".

>>97554059
>Read this pop scientist who is not a historian if you want to be REALLY informed!

Mithras, Horus, Attis etc. were not "virgin births" either btw.

>>97554059
>Reminder that the bible is a fanfiction sub-culture that persisted and grew through historical accident
That's literally every mythology in history

>>97554059
>buy muh book
buy an ad, Carl

>>97552010
The main religion is 99% right about everything they preach, but they actually do get angels wrong. They're not white-skinned beings with wings who serve the creator. They're golden-skinned beings who wear white armour, fly winged vehicles (though only one wing), and serve infinity (reality). They couldn't give a toss about the creator, as he doesn't technically exist (even though, for all intents and purposes aside from categorization autism, he does).

>>97554885
I wouldn't know, hardest shit I've done is anasthetic.

I like the polar opposite of """"biblically accurate"""" angels.
Just do a cupid-style cherub.

A naked baby with wings in the middle of a battlefield. Maybe have him speak and say some shit that let's you know he's an eldritch entity in disguise.

>>97554987
NTA, but if there are drugs that make you see things like what they described, keep it that way. I wonder if all religion got started that way...

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>>97552010
>physically show X in your game
... do you have any idea how those games are being played and what the hobby is even about?

>>97558851
I doubt drugs started the practice of telling stories to make sense of reality, but they definitely didn't help. Druids getting high off their own supply and whatnot.

>>97553985
Cute kot!

>>97554059
>If I describe things like a cunt, then everything is horrible!
You *choose* to see the bible through the lens of pop culture slop because it's all YOU know. It's no different than how retards of the past think the universe is a simulation just because they're familiar with coding, or people who say the world runs on humorism and liquids because they're familiar with alchemy, or thinking that everything is a machine because they're an engineer.
The reason YOU think God is Spongebob is because you worship Spongebob. Externalizing that to other people is completely retarded beyond the commentary that religion used to be popular culture. Yes, religion used to be popular culture.
Now it fucking isn't. That doesn't mean our new popular culture is the same as religion is. Huh? That's fucking stupid and you'd have seen that if you weren't addicted the stench of your anus.

>>97559992
>The reason YOU think God is Spongebob is because you worship Spongebob
Well, I'M convinced.

>>97560880
I wasn't speaking literally.
What I was trying to get across is that you think spirituality is comparable to pop culture because, to you, pop culture is spirituality. Since your argument is predicated on not being able to tell the difference, I think that's a fairly obvious thing to point out.
I don't see the logic in listening to a Spongebob worshiper lecture me about life's meaning or its morals. That would be like taking advice from a homeless bum about the stock market.

>>97552010
To depict an Abrahamic angel, I'd put them in a sort of quantum state of wingless human male and terrifying depending on the viewer's moral countenance: the faithful see a fellow servant of God; the skeptic sees a form so holy that its mere presence threatens to erase their soul along with their sins; the unbeliever in their spiritual blindness sees nothing. The more powerful types are more majestic in all aspects: the humanoid is of softer countenance; the kaleidoscope is borderline fractal and takes on an intensity that's physically painful; and the invisible actor's presence is an inexplicable sensation of dread or safety.
If the point of the encounter is to be a messenger, they always and intentionally appear as a normal humanoid to all, because the message is more important than the appearance. A person's rejection of a message delivered by letter or slave is more true than their acceptance of a message delivered by a force of spiritual might that can fell cities and kingdoms. Similarly, in the humanoid form may "shed" part of their visage (similar to the Transfiguration of Jesus) to reveal part of their power to act, such as how the angels blinded the men of Sodom while appearing as men themselves.

Extremely beautiful, white humans with blonde hair and blue eyes, wings, and very well endowed/stacked

>>97552010
Meant to ask this on Valentine’s Day but I forgot, what’s the best way to depict an Angel of Love that’s not just a redress of Cupid?

>>97560938
NTA. Don't you think that's a bit rich, coming from someone who cuts the hearts out of goats for Bielzebub? That's what you do, right? That's an okay conclusion to jump to, seeing as we're jumping to wild conclusions about what people worship, and then taking that strawman and butchering him like you butcher your goats?

>>97562339
You're the one ranting about how the Thundercats are angels, retard.

>>97562441
>goatkiller
Opinion discarded. Also lurk more unto you understand what NTA is.

>>97562645
No, you're the same guy because you're gibbering about Bielzebub the same way the other post was shrieking about Thundercats being angels. What, you want to believe a second, unaffiliated schizophrenic with your exact personality is just coming to your defense?
Shut the fuck up. Being a schizo is one thing, being a lying little cocksucker is another matter entirely. You're pathetic and I don't believe you for a second.

>>97552032
immersive AF way of doing it
Reminds me of a game where the drunk status effect had players actually drink beer to get drunk, It was a fucking mess but pretty funny.

>>97562694

What did exactly happen when they got attacked by, say, a ghoul?

>>97562709
slapped

>>97562714

Not impressed anon, you had to AT LEAST bite them.

>>97553985
>Oh really? And tell us Mr. Biblical scholar, what words are used?
Go read it and you'll find out, anon

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>>97562800
You haven't read it in the original languages either and the burden of proof is on you anyway, fag. Or it would be if you weren't full of shit.

>>97552010
Best way would be to consult your setting's sourcebook and then use the description it gives.

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>>97566934
The angels in the monster manual ain't bad for D&D. Don't know about the other games though.

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>>97552010
Huh, just noticed this one. In my setting Angels have no physical form, so when an Angel needs to manifest in the mortal realm they have to use the ambient matter and energies in the area to construct a functional vessel for themselves. They sometimes make forms more akin to OP's image for combat scenarios against more powerful demons and shit, but most of the time they stick to the typical winged human archetype, with their wings and halos retracting when they need to be incognito. Certain types of matter/energy often take prominence in their forms though, which is most noticeable with elemental-type energies, though preference can influence things as well. So an Angel that manifests during a forest fire might have wings of flame and/or a halo like a ring of fire like picture related, one that manifests in a forest might have wings with feathers like leaves and a halo made of vines, one that manifests in a storm might have a halo of multiple colors of lightning intertwined, one that manifests in a frozen tundra might have wings of ice and a halo transparent like a giant snowflake, one that manifests on a battlefield may have wings of blades and a halo of blood, one that manifests in a graveyard might have a halo of bone and wings made from tombstones, etc. I just can't think of what the wings or halo of an Angel manifested out of raw air might look like, among a couple others, or other common markers that could appear when the Angel in question starts using their powers to any real degree when in apparent mortal form; besides maybe glowing holy symbols of appropriate design for the substance of the form appearing on their skin and appropriately colored hair and eyes, what would you suggest?

>>97565463
Lol. You're right that I haven't. And yet I do know the scholarship around it. Because so does anyone else who took freshmen level classes on this stuff, anon. But you're welcome to simply go check and find out. I mentioned, helpfully, what books they're referenced in. Go check, and discover I'm 100% right :)

>>97552010
The forces Diabolical and Angelic are limited on how much they can interact with reality by their concern for cost and consequences of their interaction and also fear of co-equal response. Therefore how they “appear” to the faithful/damned is a spectrum from voice in head to looking at them melts you if your heart isn’t perfectly aligned to their purpose, and everything in between.

>>97567744
So it's like a Divine and Infernal version of the Cold War. What are some specific incidents as examples?

>>97567594
Burden of proof is on you. You're "familiar with the scholarship", aren't you? Shouldn't be hard then to make your point. Of course if you can't you're just conceding that you're a pseud with no idea what he's talking about.

>>97552010
Depends on what game you are talking about.

>>97570739
>You're not allowed to state facts unless you convince ME of them
lol. believe what you want, anon.

>>97554059
>turbo reddit monologue
>ends it by telling us to read the Jew Carl Sagan, the redditors Christ
LMAO I thought that shit was profound when I was 14

>>97552362
God appeared as a burning bush.

>>97553985
This is all Dunning-Krueger shit, the angels that visited Sodom and Gomorrah were human enough that the people there all wanted to fuck them.

>>97571902
Because, as it says twice in that post, THEY WERE DISGUISED AS PEOPLE.

>>97552476
>I like eldritch angels, but calling them "biblically accurate" irks me.

Because like the others you're a redditor desperate to disassociate himself.

>>97571444
Shouldn't be that hard to cite an established fact, should it?

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>>97552010
With Lego

>>97572240
Huh, impressive. What sets were used in this?

Should've guessed

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>>97559030
underrated + based + asking the real questions + in a game

>>97552352
>Perfectly normal with dicks and pussies looking human beings.
Ummm...

>>97552010
Depends on the court it can be both

>>97587986
There was an argument about that among israelite and judahite scholars. See first enoch (which is noncanonical although it was wildly popular in its heyday).

>>97552352
>>97588529
What about the beings of wings and eyes that surround throne of God mentioned in Book of Revelation?

>>97588048
>Depends on the court it can be both
What do you mean "court"?

>>97552010
You don't.
Describe what they do, and what they represent.
Use big grandiose, and somewhat conflicting language to describe their actions The heavens opened, and the Angel stepped down in a burning catastrophe of light and sound. Its words were inscrutable, like the exposed corner of some titanic machine buried deep beneath the earth. Our minds broke upon the force of those words, shattered in the face of such relentless purity, but leave a lot of the description deliberately vague and lacking in detail.
The players' minds will fill that in better than you can describe it to them.

>>97589012
Had to look it up. Obviously those are referencing the chrubim and seraphim (which, again, are never called angels in the bible), but didn't know the words for 'em.

But they're called "living beings" in the Greek--ζῷον. Which is a very different word than ἄγγελος (angelos), which is where the word angel comes from. Angelos just means "messenger." The equivalent hebrew is Mal’akh (also "messenger"). In the old testament, Mal’akh is used to describe human beings, to describe divine messengers who look exactly like human beings, to describe a specific divine messenger who is sometimes (possibly) an incarnation of god himself, to describe the wind, and to describe prophets. It is not used to describe the cherubim nor seraphim, which are completely different creatures, and the notion that they're types of "angels" doesn't appear until around the 4th century ce.

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>>97577351
the eyes are from the mixels sets, iirc
the rest are pretty generic, not particularly uncommon pieces. star wars spaceships would probably have a lot of them

>>97552010
- Use AI animation, it's perfect for dreams and ilusions
- Use a projector
- Make glasses of one of those transparent plastic sheets
- Turn every light off, add candles in random places of the room
- Make them spin without the glasses before sitting down and watching the thing

>>97599596
Forgot
- No music, but look for eerie soundtracks, heartbeats, breathing noises, nature silence, or holy places like churches, synagogues, etc.

>>97598013
sorry, meant choir of angels (in my language the immediate translation is court so I went there without thinking) you have ones that look like wheels with eyes, others that look like tons of wings with different animal heads on the center, and then human with wings

>>97552010
Picture of Jeffrey Epstein

>>97599756
>sorry, meant choir of angels (in my language the immediate translation is court so I went there without thinking)
It happens. I wonder why the choirs vary so much though.

>>97552010
Human with wings when they want to be diplomatic.
Shapes inconceivable by mortal eyes when things go down.

>>97599756
You know, the court thing reminds me of the idea that the Fae are Fallen Angels that chose neither side in the War in Heaven, so they were cast out only into the mortal realm instead of Hell like the other Fallen, what do you think of that?

>>97570613
If you get a holy quest or a visitation at low level or for small purpose directly from the outer planes, it’s likely to be delivered by a dancing light or an illuminated youth (a humanoid native to the celestial planes or higher power masquerading as such), but even more likely is a mortal in a church hierarchy Summons have less consequence than gates, etc. Diabolical consultations are similar. You don’t get tempted by a succubus straight off the hop unless you are of critical importance or the celestial powers are making overt moves, you end up in friendly contact with a cultist, and then maybe a fiend touched who looks the same and who has been briefed to carry out the charade will replace her, and she’ll summon the actual fiend when the time comes to claim your soul and drain your life force in a ritual that taints the world a little more.

>>97612722
actually sounds cool

>>97617139
NTA, but I know, right? Why don’t more settings do this?

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We need more Angels vs Demons settings.

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>>97577351
I assembled most of it from a Lego table at a used book store. I eventually got all the wings white.

I'm most proud of the lattice behind it. It's a small segment of a 5d grid projected into 2d.

I made it for a small wargame entirely conceptually tied to Lego. It's mechanical companion is death, which is a way easier minifig to make

>>97625963
>We need more Angels vs Demons settings.
What are some of the existing ones, since Warhammer has no real Angels that I know of, at least in 40k?

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>>97631663
Trench Crusade has both, and does them pretty well.

>>97562727
> GM: The Succubus licks her lips as she eyes you hungrily, then sensually she invites you to approach. Suddenly an unnatural compulsion to kneel before her threatens to overtake you. Roll Wisdom to resist.
> Player: I do not resist.
> GM: What do you mean y-
> Player: *Unzips*

>>97634367
This was an actual coloring book? I approve, lol.

>>97589012
Isn't common consensus that Revelations was made up as an allegorical message criticizing the roman empire cracking down on churches but with plausible deniability in case it got intercepted?