At least the tc stuff looks cool. Gw hasn’t put anything cool looking since they ditched their metals.

>>97579055
Because the game wants GW fans and they know GW fans are sloppatroon paypiggies. If you look at the price and immediately clock what a shit deal it is, than that's TCs sales strategy working, you are not their target audience.

A more appropriate comparison would be with Killteam models.

>>97579075
You may want to tone down the neologisms.

>>97579055
>who uses cheaper printing services
Cheaper than what? Plastic injection molding is the cheapest thing around by a long way. Regardless, prices don't reflect production costs, but what the customer will pay.

>>97579055

I think the initial costs for the molds are higher, even if the labor costs in Poland are much lower than in the UK. Aren't those trench crusade minis also slightly bigger than the krieg guardsmen? Not that I'd buy either of those kits, wake me up when they make a plastic multi-part war wolf. That head design is very cool.

>>97579055
>Why new indie games who uses cheaper printing services
Economy of scale, the more pieces you make the lowers cost per piece. So indie game probably has higher manufacturing cost per piece than established company that already rolls large scale.
>Are they just milking their audience?
But also this.

>>97579055
>2 characters, 3 elite infantry, 3 regular infantry
vs
>10 regular infantry

A Space Marine Captain costs 34.50€ alone. If GW were selling that Prussian set you'd have to pay 80€ for it

>>97579055
What do you mean we know?
Niche products are always more expensive, because they don't have volume. Take craft spirits. They are more expensive per Oz, even if they are a cheaper product, because of scale.
Expecting an even more niche product to be cheaper than GW is going against all market logic.

>>97579186
>Expecting an even more niche product to be cheaper than GW is going against all market logic.

You've never bought a model not made by GW have you?

>>97579128
>anon thinks arbitrary made up "stats" affect production price
The goyim really are cattle

>>97579212
Bulk low quality/old stock/ancient mold stuff can be bought for pittance, yes.

>>97579361
>retard thinks making one unit ten times costs more than four units two times

>>97579364
And yet companies like victrix, WgA, Fireforge, Rubicon, the Perry's, etc are churning out new model ranges at .60 cents to 2 dollars a mini.

>>97579388
Ya, bulk, low quality trash

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>>97579453

You shut your whore mouth.

>>97579388
Archon studio, the same guy who actually produce the Prussian on OP, have the same price range...

>>97579471
>posts bulk as an argument
Holy lol

>>97579525
What's wrong, not carved into enough arbitrary pieces to prevent kitbashing for your taste? Oink oink piggy.

>>97579525

I posted a picture of the sprue as a counterargument about Victrix models being low quality.

>>97579055
They know trannies will pay the premium to be seen as on the Right Side of History. Citation: look at all of them dilating in this very thread.

GW is benefiting from the fact their consumers are retards and their competitors are cashing in on the fact most wargaming fans will pay whatever since most will not buy a 3d printer.

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>>97579388
You can't copyright historical figures anon. If you charge GW prices for your things then anyone who makes better and cheaper figures will beat the shit out of you.

>>97579632
And WGA produces plenty of non historical ranges

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>>97579647
>WGA
Trench missionaries?
>11 models, 38.72€
>3.52€ per model

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>>97579068
>look at GW minis
>german style WW1 minis, semi multipart.
>look at TC minis
>german style ww1 soldiers BUT with big golden eagles and a single dark angel commander.
bro, i wish warzone was still alive so it could break both of you nigger faggots over it's knee

>>97579734
Why do they have ties

>>97579810
maybe they are croats.

>>97579085
those kriegers literally started as a killteam anon.
But if you so wish, the flying storm troopers are 55 german euros, 11 models so effectively the same price but it comes with all the rule shit
Others are 10 for 55 0r 10 for 62 (marine sized).
mind you the part count of these models also tend to dwarf the TC minis, fucking hell the nightlords one is 5 sprues for 10 guys what the flying fuck?
I don't like defending GW, so i won't.
It's bullshit, part count, mini cost, all of it. but you don't want to be within striking distance of GW.

>>97579525
anyone who says shit about victrix will hang.
>>97579388
Fireforge honestly kinda sucks, they're too spindly for my taste. love some of their characters thougj.

>>97579476
>Archon studio
PRODOS
NEVER
FUCKING FORGET WHAT THEY WERE YOU BOOMER RETARD.
I SEE THAT "..." YOU OLD ASS NIGGA
THEY USED TO BE PRODOS GAMES.

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>>97579831
>>97579810
They're Mormons i believe.

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>$38.50 for 30 models ($1.29 per model)
If they arent grimderp enough for you grow some creativity and modify them, losers.

>>97579734
>>97579632
this is one of their worse boxes. their quar infantry is 38 euros for 24

>>97579055
>Are they just milking their audience?
This. They admitted as much in their recent license policy. TC did a 180 on their initial pitch. The game was miniatures agnostic with an open license for anyone to make printable stls for the game. Their KS did gangbusters and the studio changed that policy to 'you can only use our plastic minis but if you make stls you can submit a application for approval and we'll eventually get around to it' type of thing. Oh, and theyre using an AI-based legal team to IP strike stls. But I feel like WWI soldier but 'x' is hard to enforce

>>97579632
>You can't copyright historical figures anon.
don't tell trench crusade that.
didn't they literally just 3x a maxamillian armour, give it a legally distinct marine backback and call it that?
yes the legally distinct 19th century diving suit.
also pretty sure the english machine armour is ripped from Maschinen krieger.

>>97579055
>Are they just milking their audience?
100% yes since Trench Crusade's audience are just GW faggots who will eat up anything.

>>97579471
Unc-slop

>>97579734
You cherry picked the absolute worst box and it's still cheaper than TC or GW. And you know you did that because you would've had to check the entire WGA range in order to hone in on the most expensive one. And it comes with a monstrous infantry/mech.

>>97579536
>YOU DON'T WANT TO CONSOOM UNCSLOP!?! THAT MUST BE BECAUSE U PAYPIGGY!!!
Next level mental gymnastics.

>>97580028
NTA, but it's obviously the most relevant kit on the catalogue for the TC theme in this thread. Take your meds and stop pissing yourself.

>>97580041
You didn't specify that and that has nothing to do with closed IPs costing more. You never mentioned TC or a grim dark theme, you mentioned historical being cheaper and closed IPs being more expensive. Regardless, the WGA box has a monstrous infantry, command unit, and specialist nfantry all for less than gw or TC. Your assertion that

"Expecting an even more niche product to be cheaper than GW is going against all market logic"

Is proven false in the example you yourself provide

>>97580086
LOOK AT THE FUCKING OP PICTURE YOU SPERG

>>97580086
I'm OP and I picked that "trench missionaries" box for that reason, I neve mentioned TC because I didn't want to attack that IP, I just compared the stuff that were more similiar.
Kriegsmen and Prussians for GW and TC, AwG was named and that is the box was meant as TC proxy, I picked it because it gives similiar vibes to the other two set.
WgA is not a new player, I was talking about the new players, WgA is established and I posted it to show that other houses have better prices than GW and this is known.
I bet that Starcraft and Gundam will have prices like GW's or higher.

>>97580156
Why would I do that when if you want a grasp of the conversation I am having with this anon, it would be better to look at the chain of replies in the conversation. You would than know that our conversation pertains to my disagreement with the assertion that niche products will cost more than 40k, when a cursory Google search will tell you that even more niche wargamers are almost all cheaper than 40k. Look, as you said, you're not that anon and not really even apart of the conversation. You clearly lack any context and think we're talking about a different topic. how about we both just drop this?

>>97580041
>t's obviously the most relevant kit on the catalogue for the TC theme in this thread.
Actually i'd say that would be a quar command/specialist box:
It's an IP they do not own.
It's smaller, and expected to be purchased in smaller numbers compared to the Ryflers thus costs more generally.
All of them are 34.55 euros.
The fidwog is the best being 14 minis including 2 large 60mm ones
and the worst are the OG that are 10 minis a piece.
Quar has a skirmish game that's TC sized and you could reasonably play it out of that box though not really, much like the TC box.
reminder that TC box isn't actually all that great.
you get 6 infantry and two special characters.
if you're starting NA on that box i don't think it would be pretty good.

>>97580178
I'm the OP you retard, you are attacking another guy.
I am telling you that the new, NEW, games are setting their price HIGHER than the old enstablished niche.

>>97580219
You never specified that in the original post I replied to.

"Niche products are always more expensive, because they don't have volume. "

That is the initial statement I disagree with

With your added caveat I might be able to agree with you but I don't know how many new wargame IPs with their own model ranges are coming out and what they're charging but you're right, the newer starcraft and halo miniature lines are similar price to 40k

>>97580248
Meds

>>97580254
Buddy you're the one hallucinating a conversation no one was having and choosing to butt into it when you're not even talking about whatever everyone else is talking about.

>>97579055
8 Prussians is an entire warband.

10 Kriegsman is a squad in an army that is spam oriented.

>>97580820
>8 Prussians is an entire warband.
No it isn't, nor is it a particularly flexible or good one.
most of the points on this is kitting the team out.
based on Wysisyg it's an armoured LT with tanksplitter, bolt action, maybe some nades
tanksplitter TC
3 yeomen, 1 BA, one trench mole and 1 with muscian
3 stormtroopers with Autoshotty, and trench melee + nades.

also the Kriegers are a kill team warband as well, they were like the poster children for 2nd ed.
if you bought this for TC, it wouldn't be too bad. you would have an excess of chaff, mostly BA objective cheerleaders, a trench mole, a single stormtrooper, a medic which is nice, a sniper priest and someone to act as a musician if you get creative. there's a lot of greebles there that you don't see with that box above.

>>97579055
0/10.

>>97580820
A campaign ready warband requires 22 models at a minimum to fill out its field strength. More practically, you are looking at around 30 models to cover Mercenaries that you may or may not take and handle things like patron skills that let you take more of certain troops and also giving you a bit of list building flexibility.

Prussia's 8 troops is barely enough for a 700pt list i.e. the smallest game size that is considered playable, and it only manages to get to that point by over-equipping each model.

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>>97579055
You are all just fucking retarded. The cost of mass producing this things has been near 0 since forever. You retards bought into gw inflated prices for decades.
How is an exponential bigger market supposedly making every mini more expensive instead of cheaper? Why do all those new war games pay literally nothing to produce in china to sell a one gw prices? Why is everything more expensive if marketing, production and distribution costs are cheaper than ever?

Clowns that's what you are. Enjoy

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>>97579800
Except it is? I haven't bought into the new version yet cus some of the squad designs are homo gay, but some are pretty awesomely based on the og RPG and 1st edition books artwork. Like these chasseurs use the faces from various books' cybertronic employees. The chick with the bun is just a generic rpg secretary type from the cybertronic sourcebook for example, and not an armored chasseur in the black and white drawing she's based on.

https://www.trenchworx.com/collections/warzone-eternal

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>>97579055
because value is determined by what the market is willing to pay, not the cost of manufacturing. The seller sets a prize they think the market segment they're catering to is willing to pay.

>>97579055
I remember being on the /trench/ general and seeing the plastic Prussian price response.
They’re defense of it was unbelievable.

And some dude kept posting a screenshot of his defense of the prices multiple times.
Sunk cost fallacy combined with a hipster complex and the company not being gw just does things to people.

Games workshop is still bad though.

>>97579055
because troon crusade is an even bigger scam

>>97581824
Can I get a rundown on why trench crusade is hated?
I only know about the drama where tc told those who would count as “chuds” to leave “with a vengeance” when really it was probably shutting shit down and restarting I think.
Is there more than that?
I assume the pricing on the official plastic is part of it.

>>97581872
>Is there more than that?
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUqqNH1jgfY

>>97581872
Like >>97579901 said. They switched from model agnostic and hobby friendly to model exclusive and takedown happy.
There was also some drama mixing in game lore and real woke/antiwoke, where some people thought tc would cater to their views before it turned out the creators had the opposite view.
And there were some quality issues with some resin models.

>>97581967
>>97581937
That was incredibly depressing.
I’m lacking the words for it.
Granted I felt the grips of sunk cost fallacy when the plastic soldiers came out but I shook it off.

I guess we’ll have to wait and see how long until the rest of the trench crusade fans free themselves.
Maybe they’re just propping it up to spite boogeymen?

>>97581872
Two main reasons. First one is going from being generally pro 3d printing, proxies, etc to switching to, essentially a more standard miniature-focused way of doing business, "like gw". This pissed a lot of people off because it being so free form was a big draw.
Second reason (and honestly probably the most important one for why this place specifically hates it) is that they're twice as anti-chud as gw is. Again, lots of people got into it because it had sort of warhammer-like themes, but even edgier, so I think they assumed the management to also be edgier. But they turned out fairly 'woke' and told all the chuddies to fuck off, which left them mad.
They also kind of botched some lore and background stuff which showed they don't really know what they're doing and were essentially being hard carried by the aforementioned edgy art, but that's not as important as the other two reasons from what I can tell.

>>97579055
This is what happens when you have a game that specifically tries to be "like Waehammer but better". They're targeting the people who were already willing to spend twenty quid plus on a single character model so that sets the pricing standard. Add to this that due to scaling they're going to be making less money per model than GW would and yes, it ends up costing the customer that much.

>>97582144
Thanks anon.

Kind of amazing how art can make people develop an affinity to it’s contents.

I hope /trench/ doesn’t die and remains as a containment as it seems /awg/ doesn’t like it.
Sunk cost fallacy is quite a powerful thing.
I’ve heard that a lot of warmahordes fans still defended privateer press when it started to make stupid choices that led to op’s rapid decline to eventually selling it off and their p3 paints.

>>97581872
For me it's overhyped. In the end it's just another 28 skirmish game where you dip your grimdark brown painted models in a vat of mud FX. I don't see what the actual game has to offer that hasn't already been done both in presentation and rules.

Add to this the hybris of releasing overpriced, overdesigned plastic minis and getting litigous and they don't even adhere to the philosophy of "28-style" games anymore.
Culture war autism is also there, but that more of a community problem even if it has poisoned the well.

>>97579055
They’re a completely optional purchase you fucking retard. You can kitbash or proxy.
Don’t like the price? Don’t buy them.

>>97582418
>They’re a completely optional purchase
Most non-essential items are.

>>97582418
>Don’t like the price? Don’t buy them.
And that’s how factory fortress loses too much money due to stl pirates and overcharging their plastics so people look elsewhere or worse go back to the Warhammers because there’s no difference in pricing.

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>>97581813
>some dude kept posting a screenshot of his defense of the prices multiple times.
Because you kept bringing up the same bullshit points three or four times in every single /trench/ no matter how often you were shot down.

>>97581872
>Can I get a rundown on why trench crusade is hated?
Leftist faggots pissed off the chuds by banning them from the official forums. Chuds got angry and rallied behind that rightist faggot Arch. Poorfags got pissed off when the box sets were too expensive for them. STL pirates got pissed off when their supply of free files came to an end. Kickstarter fags got upset when some models arrived damaged, books were damaged in transit, or orders arrived late. Turbofags made up a story about TC fans being ejected from a Sydney convention that eventually snowballed into them having raped someone.

Meanwhile the vast majority of people who actually play the game just… play the game.
The people who ‘hate’ it are small in number but post obsessively. Don’t make the mistake of thinking they’re the majority.

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>>97582456
I was lurking the thread for a few days watching it happen.
I didn’t post anything.

The “arguments” defending the prices aren’t really defenses.
They’re just bad excuses that sunk cost fallacy riddled warhammer tards would use to save face when called out.

But it doesn’t matter now as tc has put out a constricting license against fan content supporting the game that has a similar vibe to the wotc license that made the dnd community roar them into backing down.

I hope you break free of the sunk cost fallacy. I hope you aren’t that guy who kept posting those same arguments.
If you are I hope you get the help you need.

>>97579810
Some influencer payed Wargames Atlantic to make Mormons for Trench Crusade.

>>97582418
>OH NO NO NO
>don't touch my gamerino!

>>97582495
>I was lurking the thread for a few days watching it happen.
>I didn’t post anything.
Sure you didn’t, poorfag. That’s why you took it so hard you’re in here whining about it six weeks later.
>sunk cost fallacy
What sunk cost fallacy? You can play the game for free. Official models are completely optional.
>aren’t really defenses
I agree, because they’re not defending the prices so much as shooting down these arguments which were being shitposted over and over in thread after thread.
The fact that you remember the post and are still asshurt about it tells us all pretty clearly that you were in all of those /trench/ threads and this shot you down every time you tried to trot out your bullshit.

>>97579055
Because the issue isnt "X £pm".
You wont find someone selling character sculpts (for example) for less than like £7, even on very budget friendly indie websites.

For a GW game you need like six boxes of krieg, im going to guess the prussians need less than that (meaning its still far cheaper overall). This could also be down to having a better paint job but the prussians also just look better.

>>97582561
Random shit can remind people of things they never thought they remembered.

Like how you’re reminding me of the iron tard always coming in to defend his 40k stuff in threads about them like how you come to defend trench’s honor.
Assuming you are the guy that posted those same arguments constantly. If you are please stop before actual trolls make you into their lolcow.
If you’re larping as him then I applaud your deception skills.
>if you really are him
I think you should stop as more anons are gonna notice and things will escalate from there.

Here I had a big trip down memory lane reading some of those iron tard archives.

https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/94972218/#94974633

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA4ZsPavJJ0

>>97582659
To field a Kill Team using the current Death Korps of Krieg kit, a single box is sufficient; however, you might want two to cover all possible wargear configurations. The Prussian range will include four distinct boxes (only one release so far), meaning that four boxes are required for a full team and eight in total would be necessary to cover every build option. The current Prussian box has two variant builds per model similar to a GW kit.

>>97582750
Buy an ad.

>>97579055
So wacky that other companies don't even try to undercut GW. It's not like their quality is better. I mostly paint anime figures, but from the outside miniatures seem like a really bad scene right now unless you paint historicals.

>>97583534
I just want a miniature game that isn't GW owned where I can play a fleshy alien swarm. I want to see clever tentacle-bug-monster things, and have fun kitbashing ungodly monstrosities that I can field on the table.

>>97579085
Those ARE killteam models, retardo

>>97583103
>The Prussian range will include four distinct boxes (only one release so far), meaning that four boxes are required for a full team and eight in total would be necessary to cover every build option.
[citation needed]

>>97582679
>like how you come to defend trench’s honor
As if there’s something wrong with shooting down shitty repetitive troll posts about TC in the fucking trench crusade general. Fucking retard.
>If you are please stop before actual trolls make you into their lolcow.
You have the same poor diction and inconsistent logic of the troll you claim not to be. Interesting.
And the ‘posting the defense multiple times’ happened across multiple threads. It wasn’t multi posted to a single thread. This proves you were in multiple /trench/ threads and that you are almost certainly the fucktard who got BTFO by the post.
> I think you should stop as more anons are gonna notice and things will escalate from there.
And what are they going to do? Post more shit takes that don’t stand up to scrutiny? Make up more lies? Lick Arch’s balls some more to own the libs?
You’re so fucking stupid, it’s hilarious to watch you flounder.

>>97581682
>aside from myself and a friend i've not see anyone playing warzone eternal.
i like it but it's not quite alive.

a game for a GW refugee audience can get away with GW prices, it's really that simple

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>>97579901
Just look at this slimy legalese lol. I like how fucking hard they try and sweep over the fact they take *anything* for their own monetized use and don't even have to credit (or even ask) artists/modellers/etc. Also I love that they say they won't own it, will the actual terms just flat out say it's theirs to own and use as they see fit lmao.

>>97582456
>>97582561
>>97585151
Hey man that guy you’re responding to isn’t the “troll” you think he is.
It’s me and the memories of that from I think late last year came flooding back in like you wouldn’t believe.
I wasn’t trolling I was being serious from being very disappointed in something I had high hopes for.
I’ve been in /trench/ for a while. Oldest memory I have was when anons tried to make “mascots” of heaven and hell. I saw the rampant trolling and I understand the paranoia of assuming posters to be trolls. I get it.
>anyways
The poster is kind of right in that post with the Desuarchive novel he linked. Pretty fucked up genuine trolling. But the knife threatening was pretty funny.
You have a signature angry tone and constantly bringing up the Arch YouTuber also seals it along with other weird things like that “own the libs” thing. No idea where that came from. Along with just not backing down in defending trench for whatever reason. It doesn’t paint a good picture of what you may be like behind the screen. And quite frankly genuine trolls might take notice.
I did see your antics in other threads and I have a feeling they may have been made specifically to draw in anons like you.
Just stop man.
And get arch out of your head. He’s pretty rent free and it is probably a meme in his circle of trolls if it isn’t already.

I hope this reaches you and you get the help you need if you need it.

>>97587190
>le epic concern troll
Nah I’m good thanks.

>>97579863
Fireforge really came into their own with their Eastern Romans. Their dwarves and sengoku Japanese are really good too, albeit the latter are rather large.

>>97582418
Are all TC fags like that?
Angry, mean, resentful and aggressive?

>>97587497
yes
their whole community is filled with troons you get smell the self loathing and dilation stations

>>97587535
does it have to do with mass killings made by trannies epidemica in US?
They have to unleash their anger and violence against everybody?

>>97587497
TC fags are mostly just tired of retards intentionally posting misleading horseshit over and over because they’re pissy about getting kicked off the official forums.
I mean, if you’re a chud, why would you care about being kicked off the official forums anyway? It’s full of shitlib faggots.

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>>97587497
Yes, a lot of people, here especially, jumped to TC because the company marketed itself as basically antiGW.
Now that it did a full 180 and went full corpo mode, backing out of all their heckin wholesome chungus "we're 100% community focused" promises they're in full defense mode to justify their poor decisions.
case in point: >>97587778
In their eyes there is no legit criticism, you're just sour grapes because you got kicked out of their sekrit paypiggy club. It's sad to behold.

>>97587817
Don’t forget that a lot of genuine trolling against the trench crusade following has made the following here at least really paranoid about trolls and even seeing them where they aren’t there. It isn’t right but the mentality is there for a reason.

>>97587262
>nah I’m good
I hope. Your religious level devotion to defend trench crusade online says otherwise.
>thanks
No problem.
I’ve done my part in saying what I think you need to hear. Whether you get the help I suggested (assuming you need it) is on you now.

I hope I’m wrong there.

>>97583534
>>97583628
Fucking Stargrave.
God you cunts are so god damn retarded, miniature agonistic games are out there and they're fantastic. Go click on a fucking /awg/ thread once in your life and check all the free rulebooks its got in its trove.
The grave games (stargrave for sci fi, frostgrae for fantasy) are fantastic modernized Mordheims, if a bit swingy thanks to the d20s.
Meanwhile the 5x games (5 parsecs from home for sci fi, 5 leagues from the borderlands for fantasy) are really well done co-op/solo hybrids of wargame and Westmarches style RPG crawl, if heavy on the random charts because of all the world and event generation you need to do.

Thats just 4 off the top of my head. Wanna play supernatural Napoleonic skirmishes? Silver Bayonet. Want to convert some hotwheels up and play mad max? Gaslands.
Get the fuck out of your retard bubble and open your eyes. Trench Crusade is gay shit for faggots.

>>97587924
Not the anons you’re responding to but.
I have been on /awg/ for a while.
I’ve been on an autistic search for agnostic games to mostly play the models from the warhammers like 40k and fantasy.
Mostly because warhammer got me and many others first. And I would hate to see those models collecting dust.

This is all assuming such thing isn’t in the OP of /awg/ or I managed to miss it somehow.

At this point I’m feeling like a pastebin post of some sort for alternative wargames for reusing minis from the warhammers is necessary as sometimes when I bring up the subject I feel retarded when I do.

Want to take this to the /awg/ general with you responding to this post in the /awg/ thread?
I can check later.

>>97587941
NTA
One page rule, easy game and it is pretty much a complete rip off of WH fantasy/40k BUT with its own twist.
They even have tons of original STLs

>>97587892
it's natural to be trolled if they act like dicks

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>>97585114
Archon Studio and Trench Crusade confirmed three new boxes boxes are coming after the initial release which will include the following 'Sniper Priests', 'Prussian Stosstruppen' and 'Prussian Yeomen'. These boxes won't include machine armour and mercenaries so arguably you might need more.

>>97588049
So they’re more like booster packs than boxes.

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>>97588177
If you buy all four boxes you get 20 models. A Trench Crusade campaign caps at 22 models. So to play a full campaign you either need to buy duplicate boxes or all four boxes (plus dudes in machine armour). I believe the intention is that you buy one of each box so you can field most units and wargear.

>>97588049
>box
>2 miniatures
I bet it will cost 20+€

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>>97588525
They are up for pro-order for £20 a box.The infantry boxes are £24.99 each so all four boxes would be £104.97 under RRP plus shipping and other fees for 20 models.

>>97579863
Companies aren't your friends, consoom-kun.

>>97579068
>tc stuff looks cool
Those minis look like ass, I can't tell if the paint scheme is at fault or if the mini is just shit

>>97588817
>Yeomen
>24.99£ -> 28.62€
>5.725 per mini
Worse than I expected, sniper are in line of what I thought.
GW prices.

>>97589200
What minis look cool according to you?

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>Gundam Assemble
>39.99€ per 3 mini
>13.33 per mini
This is actually tricky, Assemble is a card game and what they sell you are the cards.
Minis are 40-50mm scale.
Still, it costs a lot.

>>97579901
>>97586431
That is a laughably uncharitable spin on things anons.

Reality for anyone interested, is that you can't SELL printed mini's either for TC, or advertised as 'compatible with' TC, without giving TC a cut of profits and license to alter things if they don't like your creative direction.

You can still 3d 'bash' your own printed mini's. But you can't make a webstore and a business of selling them where you take all the profits because your designs come from another IP.

>>97589896
OPR doesn't strike anyone who makes stuff for its game

>>97587817
>Yes, a lot of people, here especially, jumped to TC because the company marketed itself as basically antiGW.
The tragic thing is that they never did anything like that.
That was all /pol/acks and youtubers chest thumping about the new thing that 'isn't woke and gay and corporate like GW' and basically made up a fantasy version of the TC devs that everyone bought, because they interacted with the /pol/fags and youtubers, and never spoke to the devs or the hobbyists.

They just wanted to make a fucking ttwg, and everyone got surprised when they went on the discord and got banned for off-topic, or when the group of industry vets started pulling out the legalese.

And now people are frightened and angry that they've 'been deceived' or they're 'being milked' where in real fact the TC team have acted pretty consistently and reasonably all throughout, once you account for external factors.

>Oh no, the mini's cost the same amount as this other company's mini's, which are made of the same plastic, have similar levels of detail, and who's sales need to cover production costs and income for the company involved.
Why are the prices similar??? Who can say???

>What? If I want to make and sell mini's en-masse using this IP to make my sales more successful to tap into a point of demand or market interest, I need to work out a contract with the IP holders and give them a blanket right to alter or sell the things I've made under that IP.
Because blanket legal statements like that totally aren't par for the course for setting groundworks for any kind of arrangement, protection of IP from being unacceptably tampered with or being lost to outside influence included (they are).
And that standard practice exists, not because everyone's evil, but because it's the most effective to sort out where people stand, and where every party has their 'leg room' to work, in a clear and legally binding sense.

But no. Please panic at this completely normal practice.

>>97590079
>the mini's cost the same amount as this other company's mini's
>the minis cost more than minis that everybody is complaining about
Tuomas stop, let the hobbists talk to each other.

>>97590002
>Why doesn't a community strike members of its community for selling models and stuff relating to their collective IP that this individual contributed to?

OPR is a very different arrangement anon.
But the gist of it, without looking to see if they have any legal stuff in place, is that it's an open IP, made up of smaller IP contributions from members, that's not threatened by alteration.
Anyone can contribute and become part of OPR, so there's no incentive to stop those people from making money off of their contribution.

Which, to be clear, you still can for TC to an extent. However TC (along with other ttwg's) is very much a closed IP, made by a small group, with a specific creative direction. As such, that direction needs to be protected, and the intellectual labour to establish the IP also needs to be recognized.

It's the difference between me being able to sell a painting I've currently left decorating a communal living space, or me selling the house that you built, and pocketing all the cash, if the metaphor helps.

>>97590183
>you still can for TC to an extent
Wait.
Right now if I sculpt a model meant as a proxy, as an example a nun, and I make her squared tits a different helm but still duelwelding and naked I may get a strike, and the strikes are made automatically by bots powered with AI.
I don't know if you know how those platform works but if a sculptor get too many stikes, even if they are not motivated, their shop may close for months.
One thing is to protect the IP, another is going back from what were the core ideas behind the project "agnostic", "community based" and "no fomo".
And a lot of TC models are... not that original, they are cool but how you put under copyright a guy in medieval armor?
Not even GW is so harsh.

>>97590477
I add:
the issue is that they CHANGED POLICY after they switched for plastic.

>>97589896
>That is a laughably uncharitable spin on things anons.
Standard practice for the anti-TC brigade. Almost all their claims are highly exaggerated at best and outright fabrications at worst. And it doesn’t matter how many times they’re proven wrong, they just come back repeating the claims over and over.
>>97590477
Case in point. Classic ‘slippery slope’ fallacy, this anon claims to see the future. In reality you’re not getting struck as long as you don’t mimic Franchina’s art and don’t advertise your models using the words ‘trench crusade’. And as far as them ‘changing’ their policy after releasing plastics, the reality is that they had to clarify their legal position as it wasn’t especially concise previously.

>>97590630
>In reality you’re not getting struck as long as
Tuomas please.
They CHANGED the policy and strikes are getting many 3D artists down.
It was free for all and it was encouraged to be creative about their stuff, it WAS written on their side.
Now the AI is taking down original models where the description has "made for Black Grail™ army of Trench Crusade™".

>>97590660
>They CHANGED the policy
You can prove this by showing the ‘before and after’ of their official stated policies.
>Now the AI is taking down original models where the description has "made for Black Grail™ army of Trench Crusade™".
Yes, because they are entitled to protect their IP. People are still welcome to create and sell ‘grimdark WW1 avatars of disease’ or ‘servants of the demonic plague’.
Even creators with close links to FF like Trench Stench/Westfalia only get to reference TC with FF’s permission.

>>97591538
They are free to do so, and we are so fucking OP.
They promised a completely different thing, you probably are the last wave of the players and don't remember, but if you ask me to post the screenshot of their old policy I am sorry, I didn't think they could do anything like that.
It is not even my problem, not anymore, I don't understand why you have to defend at any cost TC™.
This thread is not about it but about all the new plastic games and their prices higher than GW and not other dramas.

>>97579884
Unironically this.
Trenchcrusade warbands should have always been kitbashed from ww1 infantry and medieval kits

Personally I just never cared for the grimdark aesthetics which is why I never picked up TC.

>>97591870
>you probably are the last wave of the players and don't remember
Nope. ‘Digital Beast’ backer.
>They promised a completely different thing
Prove it.
>I don't understand why you have to defend at any cost TC™
I don’t understand why you’re so passionate about constantly attacking a game and fanbase you allegedly don’t care about, ESL-kun.
>all the new plastic games and their prices higher than GW
You mean the completely optional plastic kits that nobody is forced to buy? Those kits? The ones that can be proxied or kitbashed? Do you get mad that a Rolls Royce is more expensive than a Kia, too? Do you have a job, other than bitching 24/7 that you can’t afford things that gainfully employed, worthwhile members of society have no issues buying?

>>97592472
>proud liberal
>racist attacks
>classist attacks
LMAO

>>97590660
>Now the AI is taking down original models where the description has "made for Black Grail™ army of Trench Crusade™".
NTA but that was always the policy anon.
You can make and sell weird ww1 stuff, and you can be commissioned to make an Arty Witch or a War wolf on a person to person basis. But you can't make a shop to sell 'stuff for TC' without dealing with TC.

>>97590477
>ESL
Opinion worth discarded.

>>97591870
Anon, we've been here longer than you.
I've been in the game long enough to remember when MG's has 48 inch range, and it was just humans (plus the abominations from the HL's and IS) on the field and not the Courts.
>It is not my problem.
Then leave. If you're not a bot.

>>97592554
Literally what? Are you retarded?

>>97582456
Meds. Now

>>97590477
>duelwelding
I know it was probably a typo, but know that you've inspired a conversion idea I may or may not post in some unspecified future when I make it.

>>97589868
>All out of stock
>p-bandai so we wont get restock ever
The game isnt out yet and we already got 12 minis that are impossible to get lmao

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>GW
>High quality
>42€ per 24 mini
>1.75 per mini
Why do consumers defend the companies who scam them?
Are they brainwashed?

>Are they just milking their audience?
Yes

>>97593338
Pearls before swine, anon. This isn't grimdark and wasn't shilled by all of their favorite youtubers at once.

>>97594619
The worst part of this kit is how asinine it is to put together to end up with essentially what we already had: monopose kits.

>>97593338
You can still buy it btw, fresh off the casting mold. Its 23,95 $ now though.

>>97579881
Why do Mormons like stuff like TC or even make it in 1480 Doom

>>97601705
Because the guy that designed them is one.

>>97601705
They aren't insecure about their presentation in media I guess.

>>97579055
I can also get 100's of green army men for like 0.1€ per mini, why are you buying stuff >1€?

>>97601912
Yeah, poor people should not play these games.
Poor people should stay away from cool miniatures.

>>97603365
Unironically this. Losers have it so good these days they actually have an entitlement towards certain hobbies and products that they don't actually deserve.

>>97603371
agree, white trash have to get the fuck out of the hobby

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>>97603977
The hobby was here and full of ‘white trash’ before troons and faggots invaded it, and it’ll be here and full of white trash long after you’ve killed yourselves or died of AIDS.

Fucking gay communist tourists, I swear to god.

>>97604158
>chuds try to make this point, yet are incapable of creating anything themselves
Curious. Astonishing, even.

>>97604182
Gary Gygax was a ‘chud’ by your side’s standards. So was Tolkien, Heinlein, HG Wells, Rudyard Kipling, and every single signatory to the Declaration of Independence. Chuds built the modern world and fuckwits like you should think your lucky stars we did.

>>97601685
Where? I can't find it anywhere