>>97588959
Did we ever establish how she fits through doors?

>>97588959
>Probably for the exact reasons you think.
Sexual fetish and an appreciation for body-horror aesthetic?

>>97588975
She has her minions make the doors bigger.

>>97588959
I like the Phyrexians in general. They have aesthetics, and infectious biomechanical monsters who consider themselves the embodiment of perfection and seek to convert everything to their cause are pretty out there as far as fantasy baddies go. Too bad that the big Phyrexian invasion plot was rushed out and badly handled, and now they've been indefinitely locked up in gay baby jail until WotC needs to bring back some classic baddies form nostalgia bucks (assuming MtG doesn't just completely abandon its own worldbuilding and story in favor of becoming a vehicle for promoting whatever brand paid WotC this month).

Also Shelly and Elesh Norn, Mommy of Machines, cute.

>>97588983
More or less, yeah.

>>97589038
It was a massive waste to make them all jobbers in the end.

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What kind of traditional games are played by Survivors in Duskmourn?

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The timeline from Brother's War until the Phyrexian invasion is the only piece of lore I really enjoy from Magic, even when it was a written mess. Yawgmoth is such an interesting and terrifying villain that made me more invested in him then Bolas.

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Do you think these Elder Dragons will do anything when we go back to Strixhaven?
Honestly they've never really had any sort of presence in the fiction of the plane and if it was revealed they were completed and killed during the invasion it wouldn't change anything.

Which does suck because I want to like them. All of the Strixhaven founders look really neat.

>>97589290
>Survivors
I'm pretty sure the moth demon killed them all off now that there is travel between planes.

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>>97590145
For me it's Tarkir.

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>>97590214
I would have forgiven a lot if instead of off-screen we instead got to see the fight between the Elder Dragons and their Spirit Dragon replacements.

>>97588975
Doors in Orthodoxy territory HAVE to be made for her to fit through. Making a door she can't fit through is an execution worthy offense.

>>97588959
>nuPhyrexian faggotry
>>97590214
>trannykir simping
Shan't be using this thread.

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>mtg lore

>>97589564
Where do you read said lore? Are there tie in novels or something?
I've always liked phyrexia aesthetically and the card flavor text but have never really known where to find the actual story.

"Reality Fracture" could be cool, it sounds cool. It's probably about alternate timelines.

Am I the only one who thought Kamigawa progressing from the samurai era into the modern age was a neat idea? I just wish we got more from the stuff in-between. Maybe a Metal Slug-influenced diesel punk era with huge tanks and battleships and descendants of the old ninja clans acting as spies and resistance fighters.

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>>97590297
They probably wanted to save them for Reality Fracture as them being Hexhaven's dean would mirror Strixhaven.

>>97591442
Idk but I think there should be a Shadowrun plane. If Kamigawa is the Shadowrun plane then that's fine, it's covered.

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>>97591271

There were novels made for them, the Thran as the last book made which is a prequel that tells how Phyrexia came to be.

>>97590214
>Unbothered. Gilded. Happy. In my lane. Focused. Flourishing.

Are Phyrexians fascists

>>97592095
Except that only three of those novels weren't shit. At best.

>>97592434
No. There are some aspects that are vaguely shared, but universal transhumanist transformation is simply something so far removed from any tenet of real world fascism that it just does not make sense to view it through that lens. They are a society so completely alien to us that they can't be separated into any ideology.

>>97592462
The Artifacts cycle is actually pretty good. Planeswalker is one of the best fantasy novels I've read period.

It's once you get to the Weatherlight saga that none of it makes any sense anymore.

>>97590988
Am I supposed to be upset that the rich dead ghosts were murdered by a brown woman?

>>97592624
I think the hang-up is that the art brief reads awkwardly. But then a brief isn't actually fluff so anon isn't even being topical.

Personally I like to think there is a new branch of the Orzhov church out there roaming the planes trying to build up more of their numbers.
Like going around and transporting powerful undead monsters & binding ghosts, taking them back to Ravnica and the church for religious brainwashing.

>>97592764
I'm pretty sure the Orzhov need to bind you while you're still alive so you become a ghost in the first place. Their magic isn't necessarily ghost binding, it's law magic. They saddle you with debts so strong even your soul is weighed down by them and can't move on, but they don't have any special control over spirits and stuff. Binding ghosts wouldn't work unless they could get the ghost to owe them something.

>>97592783
I'm sure they're doing that as well, expanding their debt harvesting to other planes.

>>97591391
...So Planar Chaos 2.0?

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I adore the flavor of the two worst pre-UB sets, Homelands and Fallen Empires.
Ulgrotha was a perfect setting for MtG. A plane so badly damaged in its ancient history that it actively leaks mana, just beginning to pick itself back up; Serra and Feroz instating the ban to give it a fighting chance; the ban fading after their deaths. Even Baron Sengir was downright likeable in the comic adaptation.
It's a pity it was wasted on such an anaemic set and that we'll likely never see a return to it thanks to Innistrad.

>>97591821
Yeah they've got a card, that doesn't mean that they will be present in the story.

>>97593174
In a fair world, The Dark, not Legends or Ice Age was the first stand alone expansion in Magic.

In a Just world, it would have been Fallen Empires.

There was a great deal of back door drama involving Homelands, as well as constant changing rules on what could and could be done. The original submitted design sheet was considerably stronger, and burrowed a lot of names that would later be used in Dominaria.

Vesuva was on this design sheet. There was a land called Llanowar with besides tapping for a green, was a didgeridoo for elves. At the same time, many legends (like Baron Sengir) were multicolored (all legends initially had to be multicolored by a short lived inhouse rule), that was a vanilla.

>>97591391
It's going to be bringing over the Universes Beyond stuff.

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>>97588959
I think Slivers are fucking cool and wish they were focused on more. The OG design ones, the only good humanoid looking one is pic rel.

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>>97588959
I think my favorite planeswalker is Grist. She has a phenomenal potential in being a planeswalker that only recently gained sapience and overall aesthetic. I'd love to see more non-humanoid planeswalkers in the future.

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>>97588959
Love me white phyrexian aesthetic

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>>97588959
Jace would be better if the writers read/watch Shokuhou Misaki from A Certain Magical Index.

>>97596494
No, psychic powers are boring in the hands of a protagonist because there is no plot unless you nerf them into uselessness or specifically put them against people who are immune. They took the right decision with him; first by putting focus on illusions rather then telepathy so he doesn't trivialize every fight while having something to do if he's against people who are immune, or by making Jace a VILLAIN so he can actually use his telepathy in impressive ways.

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>>97588959
MtG peaked with the entirety of the Weatherlight saga. Then it had a brief Renaissance with Ravnica because it was genuinely creative (in the first iteration). That's it.

>>97592462
Yeah no shit, sherlock, they're not high literature. They're tie-in novels written by someone who is mostly considered a hack. Yet it's still leagues better than the current slop they're churning out.

>>97594577
I do like the little one-armed weirdoes. I introduced them in a Cultist Simulator RPG and the players decided that they didn't want anything to do with them. (They just wanted someone to become their Queen and/or take them back to their world).

>>97596598
I think they still do cool shit in terms of art direction.

>>97596632
Yyyyyyyyes and no. They do occasionally still have some good bits, but a lot of it is slop (even if it isn't actually AI-generated).

>>97594577
IIRC, the reason for the humanoid ones is because they were originally going to be a different creature type and "aren't these just revamped Slivers?" was only pointed out after most of the art came in. Though the short story about them has them using verbal communication in a freaking speech seemingly about the relation to the old sort (the point-of-view doesn't understand the vocalizations used, so it has to be inferred from context), so it does seem plausible that they're engaged in the thing mentioned in Spinneret Sliver's flavor text aimed at nearby humanoids, literally turning into people from generations of eating attempts by such to kill them.

>>97590160
No, he reduced the safe havens, but still has his own little farms, after all, he doesnt know if he will be able to always assault other planes as easily.

>>97592095
where do I get these novels? I am not into books that much so I dont know the places to find these kind of stuff.

>>97596598
I feel that Ravnica could use in depth story of the guildpact being made, how bad was the war back then, the paruns and how Azor managed to convice them the guildpact was viable, hell, maybe even show Azor as not a total dickhead, like, he was a young sphinx, some arrogance but no totally lost and with idealism about people and society. Mayben show why the Orzhov is religion themed, I have always thought their parun could have been an angel that decided to protect merchants as a way to foster peace, if trade could be established, no need to fight, maybe these early merchants venerate the angel and formed a church around her but the mix of church and merchantil class lead to the current orzhov once their angel dissapeared.

>>97590214
>>97590297
I wish some of the dragonlords had survived, even if just 2, one actually happy with the new organisation maybe Kolaghan, welcoming the introduction of white mana again to the Mardu since she wasnt THAT bad when the dragonlord originally took over, and probably the phyrexian invasion taught her that some unity and caring for the clan could be nice after being injured or something and the clan treating her back to health; then maybe someone like Dromoka being the one alive and trying to oppose Betor from the shadows as it healed its wounds since its iron grip on the Abzan really made them resentful but still having a small sect of loyalist.

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>>97594861
No gonna lie, I did not like how the white phyrexians evolved, at first they had a more jagged and broken aesthetics, most likely due they just converting whily nilly and phyexians in general starting out from scratch again, but as they consolidate their rule on new phyrexia they became too clean, less bonelike and more porcelain statues with the flesh looking more like red velvet than exposed flesh.

>>97594861
White Phyrexia is best Phyrexia.
Followed closely by Blue.

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I like to think that the process that created Rakdos is ongoing on Ravnica - it regularly pops out unique demons of Black/White, Black/Green & Black/Blue. These demons have the possibility of becoming just as strong as he is. If they survive that is - when he's awake and seemingly disappeared from Ravnica he's down in the darkest depths of the plane, hunting his kin.

>>97597402
>I have always thought their parun could have been an angel that decided to protect merchants
I have my own headcanon that the "parun" of the orzhov was the first pope, if they had anything like that, and their angel while it worked with them, was a separate legal persona (for guildpact reasons) so there would be a story where the angel returns, brings a lot of change since it was an angel tied to the weird spirits thing going on Ravnica (maybe like it was the soul sherper) as is fixing a lot of stuff but Ravnica society kinda got used to the unfixed version of stuff, specially the elite orzhov members but the lower ones actually become fanatics for the returned angel. The main drama would be Rakdos fucking hating her and actually waking up and leading his guild to hunt the angel, Niv Mizzet would try to stop them but surprise, the guildpact magic doesnt work since the angel was never part of the orzhov as as guild, so Rakdos declaring war on her doesnt count as guildvsguild stuff.

>>97594618
>I'd love to see more non-humanoid planeswalkers in the future.

something I dislike of Bolas and Ugin design, is that they are too humanoid for dragons, I do prefer Ugin design since his head does look dragonic, but Bolas looks like an old man with horns in some of his arts.

>>97594861
The contrast between the clean white porcelain and the exposed flesh and sinew looks great. Though a lot of the ONE card art kind of messed it up by making the exposed muscles look more like some kind of ribbed bodysuit.
Too bad white is one of the worst colors for Phyrexian cards. I have a Phyrexian tribal deck for commander, but while I like white Phyrexian aesthetics the best, there's only a handful of good Phyrexian creatures in white. Black and green get most of the cheap infect/toxic creatures, with green also getting a bunch of bigger creatures with good abilities, blue has a lot of proliferate effects and the single most evasive infect creature, but white's infact/toxic creatures are generally overpriced and their own gimmick tends to boil down to making mite tokens on ETB. Elesh Norn herself (all versions) are good, but besides her there's Skrelves (Mother of Runes but slightly worse) and a handful of kind of OK but not particularly remarkable creatures like Annex Sentry, that one guy who proliferates when another creature ETBs, and maybe Norn's Choirmaster (though I find that one too expensive for something that basically does nothing if you don't have your commander out). If you're scraping the bottom of the barrel, I suppose I can give Priests of Norn credit for being relatively low-cost hight toughness creature with infect and vigilance, making it pretty good at blocking.
(Red Phyrexians not considered since there's no good R+ Phyrexian tribal comanders)

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Why are they a thing? What do they see in each other? Why can't I be the one holding hands with Nissa?

>>97597350
Are the razorkin doing okay?

>>97599569
Because while one girl is hot, two girls are hotter.

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>>97592624
Which is funny when you recall that she was not only ousted from her take over of Orhzov but basically kicked out of Ravnica afterwards.

>>97588975
Sideways.

>Ravnica was double tapped by War of the Spark & March of the Machine
>New Capenna is the only source for Halo in the known multiverse
>Kaladesh only registers Ravnica as a legitimate rival, New Capenna is an afterthought at best
I like to think that this says something about what an absolute backwater dump NC is despite its veneer of modernity.

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>>97597433
How did the time shit explain the khans and dragonlords existing at the same time? I really loved original tarkir and was happy to see they brought the wedges back because khans were peak design but I didn't read dragonstorm at all
>>97597461
>>97599184
I'm with the second anon here, the vibrant red sinew is such a good look, it turns what would've just looked like porcelain without it into something that resembles teeth and gums and I love it. It implies cold ivory seated in fleshy sockets, an underlying biology that holds the pristine exterior together that is so striking crimson that it can't be covered by the alabaster perfection they wish to attain. That horrific sinew will always be visible because that is the nature of phyrexia; aspirations of perfection that lost its humanity a long time ago.
Picrel, I fucking love how much more they incorporated teeth into the latest art direction

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>>97588959
this has to be the most catastrophic fall from grace from an aesthetic level that i've ever seen in any contemporary piece of media

>>97596598
Are you genuinely retarded? Weatherlight Saga was a fucking mess. The books suck shit, the plot didn't make any sense and they completely threw the cool alienness of the Phyrexians of Urza's Saga in the garbage.

>>97596608
I can pick literally any of the 11 chapters of Edge of Eternities and it will be better then any given Weatherlight novel by several orders of magnitude.

>>97605057
The weird thing is that >>97604439, which definitely does hit all the right beats of the white Phyrexian aesthetics, is from the same set. ONE's art direction for the white Phyrexians is really inconsistent: you have some appropriately creepy and otherworldly designs, but also some that just look like dudes in red bodysuits with white armor. That one is the worst because of the exposed face, which I consider a huge no-no for white Phyrexian aesthetic design: ideally they should have faceless masks, or failing that at least an expressionless porcelain mask. Having a face implies individuality, which is antithetical to their core philosophy.

>>97605057
What the hell? Why would they do that?

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>>97605145
You are right about the face thing, they never should've had expressions. Honestly when designing any good cult or hierarchical system of devotion, faceless motifs are so good because its such a simple way to symbolize the stifling of the individual and their feelings in order to support the collective. I don't know why they abandoned that, its perfect for phyrexia. BUT the times where they did adhere to it OH BABY did we get some good shit

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>>97605167
It's literally just a compleated Mirran.

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There are literally two not-good arts on All Will Be One period (Jawbone Duelist and Bladed Ambassador) and Jawbone Duelist is just okay. The rest? Banger after banger after banger.

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>>97605262
Well yeah but so are most of the new phyrexians. Looking inhuman does greatly help the message of the art
>>97605145
I just love how ONE seems to be marking a turning point in the art direction where more abstract art is being commissioned for the game. Jeremy Wilson and Eli Minaya are relatively new additions and are making some really great work for the game. I do love seeing it as opposed to digitally-rendered-fantasy-guy-running#347
>>97605298
THATS WHAT I'M SAYING

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I can fix her.

>>97604378
>>New Capenna is the only source for Halo in the known multiverse
didnt new capenna made contact with Innistrad angels and taught them how to make halo?

>>97604439
>How did the time shit explain the khans and dragonlords existing at the same time? I really loved original tarkir and was happy to see they brought the wedges back because khans were peak design but I didn't read dragonstorm at all

basically the khans/clans memory wasnt as wiped as the dragonlord wanted, and with the phyerexian invasion happening, it manage to weaken the dragonlords hold on the clans, then Narset found some old library with a ritual, it was the ritual that created the spirit dragons, she contacted people from each clan to help her with the ritual and they became bonded with their respective dragon, the dragonlords tried to stop the ritual but "dissapeared" as the dragonstorm the ritual created grew big, I just assume they got absorbed as materials.

>>97605298
something that saddens me with the fall of Mirrodin, no more Myrs, no more blacksteel. I know the are some survivors on Zhalfir that is new plane now BUT IIRC, there is like less than a hundred alive after their last heroic push during the invasion and some even dying afterwards trying to clean corrupted planeswalker and Kharn losing his sparks, it looks really grim for them to survive as a race

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>>97605262
arent ALL phyrexians completead mirrans to begin with? or at least before they really got their phyrexian manufacturing going? recycling themselve and building new people, I think Norn even has a nightmare about she going back to normal and losing her "blessings" that actually scared her.

Also I have always thought this was Atrax before completition since there is another card that shows this same angel being captured and the effect is taking control of the target creature.

>>97607660
>arent ALL phyrexians completead mirrans to begin with?
No. Most Phyrexians are coreborn, which means they were spawned from other Phyrexians. The first Phyrexians emerged from the core of Mirrodin after Memnarch stopped pruning the oil (because he was dead) and started reproducing asexually (or sexually, on some cases) until they could overrun the surface of the planet. These "true Phyrexians" are known as coreborn. Sheoldred's faction specifically treats you worse if you're not coreborn.

>>97607712
>>97607660
Norn's nightmare is Ashiok fucking with her. She was never a Mirran, she just places immense value in being Phyrexian because, as all Phyrexians do, she views it as being perfect. Thus, Ashiok scares her by conjuring visions of no longer being perfect. Of becoming a skin-covered imperfect sack of meat. Of being lowly and useless and worthless.

>>97607712
>Sheoldred's faction specifically treats you worse if you're not coreborn.
based black phyrexian, of all the fumbles of march of the machine, the way they killed the praetors was such shitt, I really hate that Sheoldred was executed at the start just to show "Norn is smarter"

>>97604378
New Capenna is literally just one city and it's not even a plane sized city. If Ravnica or Kaladesh wanted they could probably just take over, they probably just don't want to because it'll make them look like warmongers.

Hell, Kaladesh has Saheeli, if they really needed they could ask her for the Urza's Sylex blueprints, send some suicide bomber through an omenpath and blow up the entire city in one go.

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>>97607731
Honestly I actually don't think Sheoldred's dead. She's survived worse. I don't think a beheading really is that much when you've literally survived every organic cell in your body being desintegrated and rebuilt yourself from the ground up.

>>97607743
the thing is, that with how the handled new phyrexia, is clear they wanted to kill off the praetors, and they just shelved the plane so they can re use it later if they feel the need, in case of that happening I would suspect new praetors, with Urabrask as the only returning one since he was the only one that was kind of ambiguous if he really die or was just left injured expecting him to die from the amputations. I guess Sheoldred surviving and plotting her way back to relevancy on said hypotetical storyline could be a good twist, but I dont trust the writing team, the only story in recent times I have truly enjoyed has been Bloomburrow, and that was mostly since it was its own self contained little story and not trying to mix it with as larger plot.

>>97607723
>Ashiok
that remind me, do we know what happen to him after wild of eldraine? the one on thunder juction ended being Jace on disguise.

>>97608223
Nobody knows. Planeswalkers mostly disappear from the plot for a while after their story in a given set done.

>>97603272
She also did free a bunch of the rank-and-file ghosts that the Orzhov needed and was working for Bolas. So that is deserved.

>>97607743
She also had her components broken down and recycled. Though I wouldn't put it past her having prepared just for that eventuality. We know at least part of Phyrexian consciousness can survive the body being torn apart and used to build something new (Vishgraz, who is made out of bits of random Phyrexians and Geth, one of the other black thanes, still has Geth's memories). So it should be possible for Shelly to pull off something like possessing the bodies of all Phyrexians made using her former components, basically becoming a disembodied mind puppeting multiple bodies.

>>97609069
I just got flashbacks to dead space with that, I can imagine a phyrexian cult suddenly appearing in one of the invaded worlds, where the cult keeps talking about "being made whole" just for it to be Sheoldred trying to reform herself.

>>97608223
Ashiok fucked off from the plane after being stabbed by Kellan. All the appearances after that were Jace in disguise.

>>97605145
>That one is the worst because of the exposed face, which I consider a huge no-no for white Phyrexian aesthetic design
That takes back seat to PoC representation. The guy has a face visible, so you know he's black.

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I fucking love everything about Amonkhet. The idea of an entire plane of existence being reset with a fake history and fake religion just to create an army of super zombies is cool as fuck, plus I do like the fantasy Egyptian aesthetics and the animal people. It also introduced my favorite literal who in Magic, Basri Ket. Then they took his fucking Spark away for Whacky Races set. That was around the time I stopped actively caring about Magic's storyline. I do like that he manifests a new lion god just because of his belief in Oketra's teachings, and I like the fact that he kept his beliefs in spite of physical proof it was all a lie. If they ever go back to Amonkhet for a full set I just hope they make it good, but even then I'll still lament that he no longers hops around Planes like a multiversal Oketra's Witnesd extolling the virtues that cat mommy taught him.
>>97591442
Neon Dynasty's the set that got me into Magic just because it had giant robots, so yeah I like it. I'd like to get my hands on some old Kamigawa cards and mix them with new Kamigawa cards for shits and giggles. The idea you mentioned I could see as something you'd see on the less civilized parts of Kamigawa, like outside the big cities.
>>97605789
Yes but whatever's wrong with her is way hotter. Eldraine's a cool setting.

>>97605137
What the fuck is Edge of Eternities you goddamn neanderthal? Some no-name shitty franchise? When I say "high literature," I mean Turgenev or Swift or Hobbes.

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>compleats your waifu
Nothin' personnel, gaijin. (TN: 'gaijin' means 'foreigner' in Kamigawan)

>>97609524
One of the last sets. It just had a really good story.

>>97609543
Any time the antagonists have some kind of mind control or corruption abilities, it just descends real fucking fast into fetish territory. It's probably a popular fetish, but don't they have writing rooms and shit to put a stop to that stuff? Or maybe every writer is equally horny for it.

Why do Phyrexians hate skin so much?

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>>97609605
I just like the joke of a Phyrexian Praetor being a weeaboo. Tamiyo's compleation is also played far too straight as a tragedy for me to register it as a fetish thing. I do think her compleated form is hot as fuck though.

>>97609622
They don't. It's specifically Norn's motif. Flesh and skin particularly, represent individual identity. As the Praetor most concerned with obliterating individual identity in the name of a greater whole, she also flays people.

>>97609622
>>97609649
IIRC the lower order Phyrexians don't have the capacity for abstract thought to even understand why they don't like skin. It was something the team talked about back when New Phyrexia launched. So Elesh Norn might sermon about "we must liberate the flesh" and her minions would rush to flay everyone's skin, or she might say "united, Phyrexia stands strong" and the Orthodoxy starts working on merging everyone into one giant Phyrexian blob monster. Elesh Norn and other higher order organisms of the Orthodoxy might value these as symbolic acts, and they can infer meaning from poetic and nonliteral use of language, but many of the goons simply don't think on that level.

>>97609519
>That was around the time I stopped actively caring about Magic's storyline.

MTG makes great settings and backstories for the planes but damn it sucks at actually telling a good story.

>>97609519
I wish he kept his spark, I actually like him!

>>97610851
What's so great about him? I get that they wanted "Paladin but Egyptian", but the final design looks like neither.
The sculpting sand gimmick is nice, but none of his abilities evoke that.

if they ever do a time spiral set again, about alternate timelines, pure mirrodin cards should be a thing. Since they are doing a lot of master sets or direct support to a format like modern, without the sets having any unifying plot or setting, they could totally do another modern or commander master set with that theme. Pure Mirrodin cards, New Cappenna ruled by angels instead of demons, a Ravnica without a guildpact, Innistrad if crazy Avancyn was never killed.}, Amonkhet that was never conquered by Bolas.

>>97597827
isnt Ravnica Angel/Demon creation fucked up? with no real new ones being able to be born due how messed up the spiritual plane became? or it was just for angels?

>>97594618
>I'd love to see more non-humanoid planeswalkers in the future.

This, put them on spotlight, make them part of the story as well.

>>97610934
No? Angels in Ravnica were originally made from the original Parun of the Boros, Archangel Razia. They all died, sure, but there was a survivor (Feather) who made a new generation of angels out of herself. They've continued to reproduce asexually this way since today.

>>97610997
but why was Razia the only angel? even if angels arent the most populous race, they usually are distinct from each other, why only Razia exist on Ravnica and why all other angels are just clones from her? I may just be misremembering.

>>97611045
Nobody knows what Razia was or where she came from. She existed before Ravnica was Ravnica and was one of the original signatories of the Guildpact, so she can't be a result of Ravnica's fucked up state (since Ravnica was a normal plane before the guilds).

Maybe she was a construct like a Kaladesh angel or Avacyn, or a powerful naturally ocurring super-angel from all others emanated. No way to know unless they do like they did with Brother's War and make an Ancient Ravnica set.

>>97611128
>No way to know unless they do like they did with Brother's War and make an Ancient Ravnica set.

I wouldnt mind that, but I wonder, in one side, we have a set on Ravnica THE 2 colour plane in terms of mechanic, in the other hand, is before or during the signing of the guildpact, should it be another 2 color pair focused set? I think it should be more of a colors matters with a nudge towards pairings but the focus being more on color matters since it would be during a period of basically feudal wars and the guilds being formed, ideally a 2 set story, the first one is a color matter one, where people are just banding together with similar interest warbands and then the signing of the guildpact, where all guilds solidify, but I know WotC doesnt have the balls for that, I hate they say that the current system should allow them to manage story and flavor as they see fit, and they go and make stuff like march of the machine, I still insist that should have been 2 parts story, the invasion and then the counter attack and defeat of the phyrexians.

>>97611179
I mean March was basically that. ONE was half the story, MOM the other half

>>97610830
So I've learned in my very short time as a Magic fan. Every once in a while they do something solid with it but most of it is written like a book sold exclusively at airport terminals.
>>97610851
Same, but I don't hate what they ended up doing with him in the end. He's still important to Amonkhet's future and carries on Oketra's teachings. The religion itself may have been a lie, but what he learned from it wasn't. He's ultimately a very simple character but simple done well can be a good thing.
>>97610871
I once saw another anon say he just feels like Basri was designed as a replacement for Gideon, can't help but think he had a point. Design wise I liked his original armor even though it's kinda bland, and his current outfit lost almost all of the few Egyptian aesthetics it had. They do the bare minimum to represent his sand sculpting in game by giving him abilities that generate tokens, like his most recent card. And I just really like his background lore as I stated already. Like the entire reason he got his Spark originally was that he led his crop to victory in Oketra's trial, and when he grabbed one of Oketra's arrows he was so hyped up he teleported to a different plane. Then when he finally returns Hour of Devastation had already happened which is what makes him realize he has the opportunity to step up and his people. I think I just like simple good guy heroes.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/creating-basri-ket-2020-06-08
Also this article interviewing some of the designers from M21 really made me appreciate him.

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>>97611302
ONE was more of a buildup for the invasion. Both the actual invasion and it being stopped happens in MOM, which makes the whole thing feel very rushed, especially how long the actual buildup was.
Obviously they weren't going to have the Phyrexians win and compleat the multiverse, but there should have been one set about everybody fighting against the invading hordes of Phyrexians to really sell how dire things seemed, and then another where they're beaten. Would've also given them more time to actually detail how they get beaten, instead of just "Elsbeth shows up and smacks Norn around, then Karn finishes her off and all the Phyrexian soldiers just shut down because apparently Norn was providing their wi-fi connection"

>>97612337
>Obviously they weren't going to have the Phyrexians win and compleat the multiverse
I was a little surprised they didn't have Team Phyrexia score in any plane featured in a set before. Just one would have been fine. Nobody would have mourned New Capenna.

>>97612337
>>97588959
Three cards, 11 artworks, yet the original is the best.

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>>97590160
I would have been Valgavoth's strongest soldier if he had killed off Nashi.

>>97612337
>all the Phyrexian soldiers just shut down because apparently Norn was providing their wi-fi connection

so lazy, I would have expected either that the capenna angel going around the multiverse teaching other angels how to make halo would have stopped completation in its tracks, and other factors like Innistrad necromancy making the zombies inmune helping too, imagine Phyrexia army being defeated because it was just throwing soldiers at the meat grinder, hoping to replenish its numbers by compleating the enemy soldiers, just to face a wall that they cant corrupt so it really became a phyrexian meat grinder, no strategy, no tactics, just dumb muscle getting killed

>>97612935
If Duskmourn is the worst plane to inhabit, what's the least worst? Bloomburrow? Kaladesh/Avishkar?

>>97588975
>Did we ever establish how she fits through doors?
She doesn't
They just fire her through walls out of a ballista.

>>97614383
Bloomburrow does seem quite nice, society there doesnt seem that fucked up, and the calamity beast as dangerous as they are, are irregulars enough that some places can spend years without seeing one, although depending on which one was the last, the region may get season locked.

>>97611045
>but why was Razia the only angel
Why is Niv-Mizzet the only dragon?

>>97614488
Niv-mizzet it is say that is the LAST smart dragon of Ravnica, all others died off somehow, but nothing is ever say of why Razia is the only angel of Ravnica and why more doesnt seem to be born on the plane, thats why she and eventually Feather, had to do that splitting thing to create more angels. remember that angels are not biological, they are mana constructs, so they are either made (ala Avacyn) or born naturally by white mana concentrating somewhere.

>>97614383
>Duskmourn
And we're just going to ignore Innistrad & Ulgrotha because....?

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>>97588959
Got into MTG during the tarkir stuff and only played for 2 years and stopped following it. That said I LOVE Phyrexias aesthetic, design and how alien and horrifying it was, first set in particular.
So everyone in that plane has been infected by Phyrexian oil, a single drop can damn a whole plane right? Where did the oil come from, eldtrich infection from another plane, an inherent natural corruption, experiment gone wrong?

I like this art, very inspired by that one polish nightmare painter guy

>>97614556
well, Innistrad at least you have some cities well protected and even small villages can exist here and there,and humans can fight back or join the vampires or werewolf pack is converted, is not perfect but you know, for a plane like Innistrad that speaks volume of quality of life. In Duskmourn all safe havens exist because Valgavoth allows it, since he still needs to feed and causing humanity extition would starve him, the situation got worse now that the omenpaths weaken internplanar connections, he can open doors far easier now, so he is fishing for victims in the multiverse now and so he reduced the number of safe havens since he doesnt need that many now, with each eliminated safe haven being a fest since all the fear of the one safe place suddenly being raided by horrors, he still retains some backup but situation just got worse for survivors on duskmourn.

>>97614577
>Where did the oil come from, eldtrich infection from another plane
kinda? some guy called Yawgmoth found an almost empty plane, there he mutated a sickness from his homeland that became the oil and transformed the plane into the original Phyrexia and start infecting other planes from there on.

>>97612337
I feel like it's very in character for Norn to have tied the very essence of Phyrexia to herself though.

>>97614649
she gets call out for it, for all her talk about unity and collectivism, she is just a power hungry tyrant that wants to exalt herself, the fact she did that proves it.

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I know next to nothing about this guy beyond that hes a Planeswalker. I get the impression that after he arrives on a new plane he immediately goes about making himself a draconic god-king of whatever biggest power that plane has before the 'good guys' come and beat him until next week. With some kooky plans thrown in. Cool guy.
How wrong am I

>>97614699
Bolas is boring. I think he has a neat design, I like his weird face. He's like a pug in dragon form.
But he bores me. Him and his plans within plans master manipulator bullshit.

>>97614699
He only actually made himself god-king of the one plane, and the good guys never beat him there. He fucked up making himself god-king of the whole multiverse, but that was kind of an asspull and the writers writing themselves into a corner, as is often the case with such powerful antagonists.

>>97614635
>>97614577
The gist of it is:
>guy named Yawgmoth is investigating a sickness in the Thran Empire
>sickness is named "phyresis" and is caused by radiation from the rocks the empire uses as a power source
>planeswalker called Dyfed finds him and leads him to a dying plane called Phyrexia
>this plane was artificial and was built by some planeswalker we know basically nothing about, except that he was born human but liked to run around in a dragon body
>the plane has inactive Glistening Oil in it
>he dies a month prior to Yawgmoth coming into the equation of reasons
>Dyfed says that the plane is going to die unless it accepts a new master.
>the plane accepts him, the whole thing comes back to life and begins his journey to mega power
Note: at this time, glistening oil was not corruptive. People walked around covered in it all the time and even used it as rubbing cream to treat a Phyrexian acid weapon once. It was just the lifeblood and genetic memory of Phyrexians. It will only become corruptive many many years later when it spends a few centuries being exposed to magical solar radiation in the plane of Mirrodin*, which is the current New Phyrexia.

>>97615785
Also, originally the explanation for the oil being able to corrupt the environment and inhabitants of Mirrodin was that Mirrodin, like Phyrexia, was another artificial plane and its inhabitants were already a fusion of flesh and metal (not as gruesomely as the Phyrexians, but they had metal plates covering parts of their bodies and other similar traits), so they were physiologically very close to Phyrexians to begin with, and so it wasn't difficult for the oil (which contains the genetic memory and blueprints of the original Phyrexians) to basically give them magical cancer and make their bodies start mutating to become more like Phyrexians. The oil being able to turn anybody who comes into contact with into a cyberzombie is a later retcon.

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I liked innistrad. Was never a huge player but that set scratched an itch. I liked the slow lattice corruption on the art, how it was intentionally drawn askew to show something was wrong.

The apocalyptic themes were very cool and I thought the fake out from Gothic horror to cosmic was neat.

Not really happy with the follow ups, admittedly.

>>97616269
>The oil being able to turn anybody who comes into contact with into a cyberzombie is a later retcon.
I think that it's actually a diegetic ass-pull "innovation"

>>97609543
the silver border and body pillow make it extra sophisticated

>>97614699
Right, so, Nicol Bolas is the biggest threat the multiverse had ever had to contend with. Phyrexians? chumps. Slivers? mere bugs. Eldrazi? please, his brother, Ugin, whom was considered drastically weaker than him for a long time, had figured a way to deal with them andkept them at bay until STUPID FUCKING KNIFE-EAR decided to mess with things beyond her comprehension.

Nicol Bolas is the kind of asshole that runs Tzeentch for his warpstone tokens. That's the level of the depth of his machinations; plans within schemes within plans with several layers of contingencies, back-ups and fallbacks and redundencies. motherfucker made plans for people that didn't even exist yet, but had plans on making sure those people came to exist in the places he needed them.
If you think Urza was an asshole for doing the Bloodlines Project with Gerald Capashen, Amonkhet was basically a plane-wide variant of that, but Bolas ran shit like this on the scale of the multtiverse.
Let that sink in. He puppettered the lives of tens-of-millions of lives to achieve his one goal: returning to pre-mending Planeswalker level of power. Yeah. THIS ENTIRE TIME,BOLAS WAS ASSMAD AT URZA FOR IGNITING THE GOLGOTHIAN SILEX!

I really dislike how valgavoth is being treated as being some impossible to defeat being because he's bonded to the plane, which is a single planet. but after visiting the edge of eternities, we have multiple world shattering weapons and black holes on sticks. He's one door opened to a monoist away from killing himself.

>>97616269
No, the inhabitants of Mirrodin being metal-flesh hybrids is the result of the oil in the first place. Essentially, what happens is:

1. Karn creates Argentum, a completely metallic plane. He leaves the golem Memnarch in charge of it. Memnarch is made from the Mirrari, a magical probe that Karn for some fucking reason gave reality warping powers that ended nuking an entire continent multiple times.

2. Karn drops a bit of Glistening Oil in the plane. Glistening Oil self-replicates until there's a certain amount of it, but seemingly does nothing else.

3. Glistening oil mutates, possibly from radiation exposure, producing "mycosynth." Mycosynth is a strange fungus that turns metal to flesh.

4. Memnarch starts going completely bugfuck insane from both becoming partially fleshy and from Karn leaving him completely alone. He notices the mycosynth and the oil and continues to prune it, but can't eliminate it completely. To deal with his loneliness he creates soul traps, artifacts that can kidnap souls between planes, and uses it to start multiple populations in Argentum in hopes of eventually producing a planeswalker.

5. Argentum is renamed after Memnarch into Mirrodin. It gains plant life, animal life, and sapient life. These lifeforms adapt to the environment and are exposed to the solar radiation, and to the mycosynth, becoming partially metallic. The movements of mana in the plane create four suns in total, with the green one being predicted by Memnarch and the local vedalken population.

6. Events of Mirrodin block. Memnarch hatches a plan to harvest a planeswalker spark from Glissa Sunseeker. Memnarch is combated by the populations of Mirrodin and dies, failing to gain a spark but giving the goblin Slobad Glissa's. Karn returns.

(1/2)

>>97617063
7. Slobad sacrifices his spark and denies Karn's offer of teaching him to be a planeswalker in order to resurrect everyone who ever died in the war and send everyone in Mirrodin to their planes of origin. Memnarch is made into the Mirrari again by Karn.

8. Bizarre retcon happens. Karn fucks off. Slobad and Glissa are murdered by the furious Mirrodin population after their elders vanished (which is Not what happened originally). Their corpses are tossed in the core of Mirrodin.

9. Oil leaks out now that nobody is pruning the mycosynth or the oil. Phyrexia reforms from raw materials in the core of Mirrodin. Slobad and Glissa are compleated.

10. Mirrodin is assaulted by Phyrexia reborn. Phyrexia reborn wins pretty handily. Mirran survivors become stragglers and guerrillas. Karn returns and is put in a chair by the Phyrexian leaders.

11. Events of Quest for Karn. Karn escapes with Venser's sacrifice. New Phyrexia consolidates its hold on the plane and Norn subdues every Phyrexian faction but Urabrask's under her banner.

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>>97614699
Tangent but I actually really, really liked the gay Bolas fanfic that one anon wrote. Shitposting aside, I normally get pissed at all the raceswapping and queershit that WotC keeps pushing, but the story anon wrote was so good I almost wish it was canon (if I trusted WotC enough to not fuck up literally just copying some random's work).
The story just did an enormous amount of legwork organically calling back to past material and respecting it in a way WotC never does. It made me go back and read Bolas's origin story and it made me go "holy shit Ugin is such an asshole here." It made me realize without the context of WotC's mandate of heaven saying Bolas is evil for the love of the game and was born with an ego larger than the sun, a ton of his actions suddenly become "holy fuck he actually loved Ugin," and it's not even a stretch to say that. It really just says "What if even one fucking thing Bolas said to Ugin in their backstory was honest? What if maybe some things he did had an unspoken altruistic reason behind them instead of him just handicapping himself for no reason?" then builds off it not just with new context, but giving a logical frame to everything.
My mind was actually blown going back to the (atrocious) WAR story and seeing that Bolas ACTUALLY enchanted Blackblade so it was unusable against ANY Elder Dragon, not just himself. This makes no sense given that the only other living Elder Dragon in the story at the time was Ugin (the Strixhaven dragons didn't exist yet). However with the context of Bolas secretly wanting to protect Ugin because he loved him, it gives justification.
Unironically probably the best MtG story I ever read and it was literal fagshit fanfiction by a random anon. I'm not sure if this attests to the quality of anon's writing, or how bad WotC's writing is.

inb4 they turn sheoldred into genova and we get universes withing ff7.

>>97617073
>Memnarch is made into the Mirrari again by Karn.
kinda angry we never saw the Mirari again, it could be either a magical nuke or use to buff people and creatures like crazy, I would say such powerful artifact would have been nice to combat the Phyrexians or terrible had it fallen into their hands, yet after all this time, Karn losing his pacifism and spark for good, Mirari nowhere to be seen.

>>97619003
link to?

>>97619003
my honest hope for Bolas as character, since I knew they were going to use him again since he was sealed not killed, it would have been for him to become amnesiac and weak in both magic and even body (at least for a dragon his size) but somehow retained his brillant mind, but now he is a aimless, without real knowledge and scared of Ugin trying to imprision him again, so the new free Bolas is trying to protect himself, maybe as a memory of his origin of being born trapped under a some trees and rocks. The story could be the manhunt of Bolas as he plots again, but this time having far more difficulties due being weak so he cant just overpower cults and dark organizations, but at the same time basically being a new person so there is some moral dillemma, will this Bolas turn evil again due his own nature or due being persecuted since being free?

>>97619152
Seems unlikely considering how big a flop the 7 remakes are. If they ever do more FF shit it will be 14 exclusively.

>>97619003
As someone that read it, it was genuinely fantastic, although the whole reason it was possible is because Ugin was written so poorly that the fanfic was able to recontexualize him being a know-it-all useless asshole as an actual flaw. The crux of the story is that Ugin never EVER explains himself (just like in the actual story) and expects everyone else to just read his mind and agree with him even when he says something that makes no fucking sense. So everything Bolas did trying to be nice to Ugin was interpreted negatively because Ugin just expected Bolas to act the exact same way he would, and saw everything else as willful evildoing.
Basically, it was both. An anon genuinely passionate about the story combined with WotC writing being so bad that his work stood out.

>>97619685
you do realise the phirexian invasion story arc is the damn borg from trek and the tyranids/necrons from40k. mtg steals from everyone just like how 40k does

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>>97609519
I wish I started collecting when Amokhet was big. I did like the idea of new gods popping up to replace the ones that got zombified by Bolas. On the whole, I do like how MtG treats gods and other such beings and have adopted those ideas into my own autism.

That being said, I am hot and bothered aesthetically for Edge of Eternity even though I havn't gone out of my way to bother with the lore beyond the quips from the cards themselves.

I stopped caring when Gideon died. Might care again if Gideon shows up in some way when we return to Theros. Or in general if we return to Alara/Bant.

>>97619965
Not really. You have no idea what the invasion played like, did you? Phyrexians share absolutely nothing with the Borg outside of "they're cyborgs who want to convert people."

>>97620004
I really cant wrap my head around edge of eternity, I always thoughts planes as singular planets, and then we have a "plane" all about space and multiple planets, just as an example, if Phyrexia had invaded, would they have become stuck on one planet from edge of eternity?

>All Elder Dragons are born from the Ur-Dragon as it flies near a plane while it moves in the blind eternity
>Elder Dragons tend to have significant impact on the worlds they are born, either as top predators or the smart ones creating civilizations

I wonder if we will ever a get a story of plane without dragons just to get its first ones as the Ur-Dragon finally visit the plane.

>>97621017
It's just Planescape/Spacejammer/whatever.

>>97621017
There are other planes that consist of at least a solar system. Dominaria has moons and orbits a sun, and IIRC there are other, uninhabited planets in the same system.
Some planes are a pocket dimensions consisting of a single continent or city, or a sole planet floating in the void, but they can be considerably larger.

>>97619003
ngl it probably IS the best MtG story ever. Magic's writing was lukewarm at its best. I don't think any story has ever changed my view of a character like the Gay Bolas one without it feeling super contrived.

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>>97605789
I know we all agree on this but for the record:

Eriette > Hylda > Agatha

>>97619665
I spent all day digging through the archives from back in April only to find the pastebin was deleted.

>>97621373
Rabiah also stretched over 1000 worlds, didn't it?

>>97619965
tyranids are just fantastical locust.

>>97621373
theros is literally just a floating landmass of like 200,000 square kilometers surrounded by Nyx.

>>97621017
Planes don't have to be equal in all respects.

>>97622227
Rabiah (aka. the plane the Arabian Nights set was retconned to take place in) is kind of a weird case, because it's one plane that has 1001 parallel versions that all exist slightly out of phase with each other. That's the in-universe explanation why the named characters from the set, like Aladin, don't have the legend rule (out of universe it's because the legend rule didn't even exist when the set was printed).

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>>97621580
>want to make a Eriette deck
>dont have aura synergie cards
and the few enchaments stuff I have went into the esper duskmourn precon. I know there is a black/white precon incoming with auras, but I have no job at the moment.

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>>97605789
>>97621580
Holy fuck I just realized Eriette and Rowan share the broken glass as a visual element. It's been what, two years? Now I feel retarded for not seeing the obvious.

>>97620305
I didn't know it had to go through your retard approved checklist. They pretty much are the borg a hivemind of cyborgs with some heads controlling them.

>>97623870
phyrexians literally are not a hivemind

>>97621580
eriette is old and wrinkly tho

Something I've always wondered is why merfolk are just generic fish people, when Aven are based off of specific birds.

>>97624172
Aren't there variants of them?

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>>97624172
Speaking of merfolk, I'm claiming Kiora. She's mine. I love this knucklehead.

>>97624195
Yes?
They're different on every plane. In example some Alara & Strixhaven Aven are based off of owls, Tarkir has Raven Aven, and Kylem's are based off of peacocks. Merfolk either have legs or fish-fin tails.

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>>97624375
Merfolks are like goblins and elves. They're a specific kind of magical creature, not just a "fish man" or a "dog man". The approach is still to come up with a new design every plane, though. Compare Ixalan, Duskmourn, Shadowmoor/Lorwyn and Zendikar merfolk.

>>97624479
Being a fish person in Duskmourn must suck. Imagine being the size of a person and being stuck in a pool the size of your kitchen or whatever, and there's nothing to do but to wait for randos to try and take a swim. And that's just how it goes forever.

>>97624479
The ones on Ixalan and Lorywn are very unique looking. Ixalans are very colorful with some being green & purple, and Lorwyn has three facial fins and barbles.

But a lot of them are just blue-skinned humanoid with red fins.

>>97624571
well duskmourn is weird and ever changing, if youy check the lands, and not only basic, the places with water can be from a flooded living room to a entire huge sewer system, if anything, the fear would be swimming there and the place to shift and find yourself on a shallow pool.

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>>97624571
Spatial dimensions are funky inside the house.

>>97625497
also if going with the actual story of the set, the place cant change as long you keep line of sight, so if a duskmourn merfolk is swimming on a huge flooded basement, I doubt it will shift to a pound on the next second, maybe if the merfolk goes into a door and suddenly be send to a garden would be the real danger for them.

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>>97624479
>Being a fish person in Duskmourn
>fish person
My brother in Valgavoth that is a leech with arms.

testing

Rolled 4 (1d6)

>>97626775
wtf

>>97605057
>bur Mr. Shekelberg, how are we supposed to give black skin to the faction whose entire gimmick is removing all the skin from their members?
>Just figure something out, or you'll be the one losing skin, goyim!

>>97614383
>Kaladesh
>living around Indians
Original Lorwyn would probably be the best to live in.

>>97588959
Old phyrexia is better than new phyrexia.

>>97594577
slivers kinda suck as a tribe in EDH. they're the tribe hit hardest by boardwipes in the boardwipe format. also the negative stigma quickly gets them focussed down.
>t. Former Sliver overlord day 1.

>>97627344
>Original Lorwyn
At the best of times you're still stuck with looksmaxxing elf nazis.

>>97628135
And even being one of those nazis isn't very good for you. Trip and cut your face on a branch? Tough luck buddy, off to taking care of the poison vine farms for the rest of your life you go

>>97628126
One regular at my LGS has a Sliver deck, and it either falls flat on its face or snowballs like crazy, no in-between. If you can get the Sliver synergy engine going it can get pretty crazy, but a single boardwipe at the wrong time and it's basically dead in the water for rest of the game.
My Phyrexian deck is in kind of a similar spot, where most of the time it just puts everybody on a slow timer and is vulnerable to getting attacked due to most creatures being fairly unimpressive statwise and not easily spammed, but because people hate poison counters and it occasionally pulls a lucky turn where I get a hand full of 2 mana "draw a card and proliferate" cards and start chaining them it draws tons of aggro. And while everybody is focused on it another player is building an infinite combo that instantly wins the game when activated.

>>97628135
>>97628196
Maybe for you Eye-Blights but I would Perfect.

Did anyone else read The Thran novel?

I enjoyed it back in 2015, and I wish they didn't give yawgmoth a card but instead leave him without official art.
Has anyone read any of the old novels? Like the ones that used to come in fat packs?

>>97628384
>makes typo when claiming perfection
It's over. Off to the poison vine farms with you.

>>97607660
>indominateable archangel
>gets dominated

>>97607723
>>97607712
That’s lame,
Unironically devalues them for me

>>97609624
I personally think Glissa is hotter.
Note I didn’t actually follow her story much but the card art and my understanding of the story felt much more like a mind control / corruption fetish

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>>97608306
I don't expect them to stay gone for long, Ashiok basically gets used now like Tezzeret used to be, a recyclable heel who shows up every few sets to fuck with the heroes.

>>97628135
>Implying I wouldn't be one of them
Not worried about it. Every plane has lots of issues, but in comparison to one another, Lorwyn is pretty nice.
>fuck living on Zendikar
>fuck living in Alara (aside from Bant pre-conflux)
> Ravnica sounds miserable as a country boy
>get your dick bitten off by cockgobbling kami on Kamigawa
Maybe Segovia wouldn't be so bad.

>>97628499
>Tezzeret
That this barely-a-man still draws breath infuriates me.

>>97628527
>>fuck living on Zendikar
I don't think it's so bad with the big three eldrazi gone.

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>>97628558
Tezzeret getting away with everything and getting to be one of the top dogs in the Edge will always be hilarious.

Perhaps the only most hilarious thing is that he immediately found some greater power to bootlick for. Man is a natural born henchman

>>97628527
do you think Innistrad is still a shit hole

>>97628606
Don't land masses randomly drift into the sky? Aren't there random eruptions of mana that change the land? Zendikar sounds shitty.
>>97629602
Haven't touched any Innistrad since the original block, so I'm not sure how it's changed. Seems pretty bad, being subject to constant predation.

>>97629602
It's arguably worse now because Avacyn, Gisela and Bruna are all dead and so are their flights, so there are less and less people around to actually protect the plane. Without Avacyn the werewolves are running amok, without the Helvault all the demons are free to rampage, the zombies piled up so high they're outnumbering the living, and the Markov and Voldaren vampires are unified. Now that planar travel is open I wouldn't be surprised if half the population just gave up and left for better shores.

>>97629602
Honestly I don't think there are that many vampires left.
I think one was killed off by being forcibly fused to their manor.
Another was twisted into horrifying tentacled beasts by Emrakul (the sea worshipping ones).
And the Voldaren bloodline was wiped out at the wedding. And they lost the most powerful member because Olivia

Olivia fucked off to Thunder Junction to go terrorize some native americans.

>>97629602
>>97629877
>>97630100
Sigarda also got the benefit of Halo now on top of the cult worship that previously exalted Avacyn. Her sister Liesa is also back. It's still not a certainty that the plane is doomed.

Thoughts on Loot?

>>97630136
Cute, I don't see how he grows into a Fomori.

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>>97630136
I actually like his early design. I like ugly cute. Then they made him a funko pop in DFT and I lost interest.

Overall he's just another out of the long list of MTG's failed mascots.

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>>97630136
His mom is hot.

>>97630173
Oh no they turned him into a tumblr sexyman!

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>>97590214
I like their rakshasa.

>>97630214
You're thinking of Smolder (League of Legends)

>>97631149
Nah m8 Vraska is a babe

>>97588959
This is literally the single hottest MtG art ever made

>>97630880
you arent allowed to like a fictional depiction of a fictional demon from india because some mud farmers who dont know what mtg even is might get upset they arent depicted correctly.

>>97628606
Zendikar is permantely altered, Mana most of the time is just magic air that maybe some local thing will concentrate to make funcky shit, on Zendikar is alive, elementals are way too commons, maps are constantly being redraw due land shifting, the roil is bad weather on steroids and can even fuck your magic, from trying to create a spark to light up a bonfire becoming a localized nuke, to magic just not working, add to this all the beast roaming around is not a good place to live.

>>97630165
A Myr would have been more succesful, they could easily have a nice set up
>Karn transform Mermach into the Mirari again
>after March of the machines Karn lost his spark
>takes out the Mirari and put it on a Myr body
>this new Myr is tasked to map the multiverse using omenpaths
>it already has some good knowledge about multiverse due inherithing some Mermach knowldge and Karn teachings
>more emotional and smart than regular Myr

And Myr design is already liked it and kinda cute.

>>97630880
>Sultai Clan on the dragonlord timeline got fucked because it lost the rakshasa support
>rakshasa didnt ally themselves with any other clan afterwards or dragonlord

Shame they got written out like that, but I guess they were too much of a bad influence for the Sultai.

>>97629877
>>97630100
>>97630132
Imagine a new set about the humans actually going on the warpath, trying to finally erradicate the horros that have been hunting down for centuries, forcing all the remaining vampires, demons and maybe even the smart werewolves to band together. A inverse of the original block.

>>97628527
>>get your dick bitten off by cockgobbling kami on Kamigawa
Neo Dysnasty is basically on par with modern life, kami can go from cute pets to the ghost stories you hear about the bad places of a city, I think modern Kamigawa would be a nice place to live, just avoid the rats and oni gangs.

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>>97631621
I fucking love myr so much its unreal. These little ant workers are the most endearing design magic ever produced. The little circle eye motif, the unquestioning worker mentality, I just love them. Really hated how their design language got shifted between Mirrodin and New phyrexia block but I still love them to death

>>97631595
The Roil will probably wind down over time since the Eldrazi and Phyrexians are gone. The world will settle into something else.

>>97631656
That unironically sounds boring as fuck. It removes the point of the plane. It's like wanting a set about removing all the metal from Mirrodin

>>97632272
Nissa and Nahiri fought about this.
Zendikar wants to be awake.

>>97630165
Good god I want to doom blade this ugly shit

>>97632351
...What, like how New Phyrexia nuked literally every established faction?

>>97633602
The factions were nuked by the end of Mirrodin block when Slobad literally teleported them out of the plane.

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>>97616916
Valgavoth and Grist should become rivals. Or at least recurring enemies.
>bug fight
>consumer vs producer
>survival instinct vs careful planning
>both have graveyard synergy
>Grist, being an insect, is immune to Valgavoth's fashion sense

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>>97628488
>Phyrexian Glissa
I'd Incubate 2 twice with her, if you know what I mean (yes, that refer to the MOM Glissa, but the OG compleated Glissa has sexier art).

>>97634180
>betrayed by the plane she wanted to save
>she and her only friend forced to be trapped on mirrodin core to be infected
>reawakens
>get soo much influence on the green phyrexian faction some even says she is the actual preator and Vorinclex just a figure head
>does nothing of note storywise
>most likely dead for good now

She could have been such a good villian moved by revenge and resentment.

I liked Aetherdrift's theme. Shit was all serious for so long while the Bolas & Phyrexia storylines were running, Aetherdrift and Bloomburrow were very welcome. I'd be down for more of that.

>>97634490
I get what you mean, and a multiplanar event to show off cooperation among planes with omepaths allowing it is a really nice plot, but a wacky car race really didnt feel fit for something that would fit MTG

>>97634291
Eh, I like the green Phyrexians for what they are. There's no Us vs Them mentality or tragic soul searching. They run around and kill then eat anyone who's weaker, and if they get killed and eaten them in turn that's just fair.

The Progress Engine looks at an imperfect thing and makes edits; the Quiet Furnace looks at an imperfect thing, maybe pulls out a good thing, and melts down the rest. Glissa and the Hunter's Maze see an imperfect thing and eat it, and if it eats them instead, that means it was more perfect. It's simple but effective.

>>97617073
>Phyrexia reborn wins pretty handily.
"Underling Ethu's 263rd report read simply "Yes, my lord. Overwhelmingly, my lord." This marked the end of the Mirran-Phyrexian War."

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>>97634291
As far as I know, she was alive the last we saw her. She last appeared in the ONE storyline, sparring with Vorinclex when the heroes walked in on them. As far as I know, she would have still been on Phyrexia when it got sealed off from the rest of the multiverse. Now she did get a card in MOM that does appear to show her taking part of the invasion, but then again, Sheoldred and Urabrask got cards like that as well despite one being dead and the other explicitly sitting out the invasion and joining forces with the good guys to stop Norn.

Though for what should be a pretty major character, Glissa does get pretty much nothing after her compleation. Like, she's gotten a card in every New Phyrexian focused block, but practically no lore. And that's despite her basically being the acting Praetor of the green Phyrexians (Vorinclex holds the title, but but he's jut a big dumb brute who runs around the forest fighting animals all day, while Glissa actually does all the administrative work).

>>97635002
I am not saying the green faction had to change, but imagine a compleated Glissa being the most active in hunting down mirran survivors.

Talking about New Phyrexia, I remember reading a wizards article saying that originally they were planning to introduce the new phyrexia as a whole new plane with the ending of that bloc revealing it was originally Mirrodin, kinda like planet of apes of ending, would you guys have prefered that or do you prefer seeing the war and completition of Mirrodin?

>>97588983
What do you call this fetish? I kind of like the idea of being oiled by cute but scary Phyrexian lady.

>>97638016
I prefer the way they went with it. Seeing the plane get gradually more corrupted over the course of the block works better for visual storytelling than trying to do three distinct sets where you start from the Phyrexians having already won. And having "surprise, it was Mirrodin all along!" ending could easily feel like an asspull. Plus I liked having a block where we actually get to see what happens when the bad guys win. Some of the New Phyrexia cards have very bleak and evocative art and flavor text about the fall of the Mirran civilization.

>>97635155
>while Glissa actually does all the administrative work).

She even has 2 cards named after her, showing her minions, Vorinclex doesnt anything like that, at best some flavor text implies he "designed" some phyrexian beast, but I really put into question Vorinclex ability to handcraft anything.

>>97639312
>really put into question Vorinclex ability to handcraft anything.
I figure he's the kind of guy who just yells "make it bigger!" or "add more teeth!" to his splicers.

>>97639325
> or "add more teeth!" to his splicers.

Funny given there is a wurm he specifically "removed its teeths so it wouldnt waste time chewing and move to the next prey"

Speaking of Phyrexian lore, I like how the writers put in the completely unnecessary effort to actually make a Phyrexian language. Those promo cards with the text replaced with Phyrexian script don't just have the English text with the characters replaced, but the entire text has been translated into Phyrexian.
There's even differences in how the differences New Phyrexia factions write. The black Phyrexians are the closest ideologically to the original Phyrexians, so they retain the same style of writing, while the other factions have altered the way some letters are written. Blue Phyrexians use a lot of technical and scientific jargon, while the green ones have more simplified language. And Urabrask in his quotes speaks in an informal way that's basically the equivalent of using slang (the quote where he tells his followers to leave the Mirrans hiding in his domain alone would translate to English as something like "let them be, duh!").

>>97639325
>The reason Jin-gitaxis hates Vorinclex is because he would scream at Jin to make big monsters when they were living in the core every single day
>Jin told Vorinclex to fuck off once the invasion started
>Vorinclex has now to yell at whatever splicer that actually bothered to follow him and resist the urge to NOT eat them
>Glissa is the actual brain of the green faction and has to give him some toy from to time to time to keep him on check

If Urabrask wasnt such a rebel, I bet the most hated praetor among themselves would be Vorinclex

>>97597388
Used book stores if your area has them, or just eBay them.
>>97616452
The plane didn't need the introduction of Temu Great Old Ones, but that's WotC for ya.

>>97639349
>Phyrexian language
Thats so fucking cool, and it looks so cool. I'm actually so impressed old school MTG was so fucking sick.

>>97639433
>old school mtg
Anon that was scars of mirrodin block. the old school writers couldn't even agree on what the phyrexians were lmao

I've had a stupid idea for Rabiah because I think the plane is neat.
The first idea is that while Rabia has been split into thousands of reflections, those are no longer identical. There are a lot of similarities, but sometimes something unique happens on one that doesn't get mirrored onto the others. (In example on every Rabiah but one an entire nation is destroyed by a tsunami. In the one Rabiah that is survived, a necromancer managed to save his people by creating a water-repelling zombie. Now there is a city at the bottom of the sea, surrounded by a constantly churning whirlpool and a zombie army constantly marching around it. As more zombies join their ranks, the more land is reclaimed from the ocean.)

And the second idea is that there are five mono-colored civilizations that are competing for dominance. They already managed to conquer their reflection of Rabiah and are spreading to others, fighting for the unique things.

>>97639813
I think they're on record as saying that if they ever came back to Rabiah, they'd overhaul everything and just keep the basic building blocks like the Refraction.

>>97639924
Well that is the most important part of the plane.
That and the middle eastern window dressing.

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Why is she so bad at making good decisions? I mean doing an oopsie every so often is understandable, but whenever Nahiri has the agency to think for herself, she somehow always ends up on the wrong side of things.

>>97641884
That's just not true. She wasn't in any side during War of the Spark and was with the Phyrexian strike force.

The thing with Nahiri is that she fucking hates Sorin and loves Zendikar. She was willing to sacrifice lots of people if it meant restoring Zendikar to its former glory and was willing to destroy Innistrad so Sorin suffered like she did. Her motivations aren't especially complex. She is a person prone to holding grudges can't let go of the past.

>>97641884
Hero complex coupled with arrongance from being a old planeswalker that makes her do everything on her own, and when it comes to Sorin, she really can hold a grudge

>>97642046
When it comes to Sorin, Sorin really fucked up, he truly was an asshole to her despite their almost parent and child relationship

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>>97642070
Sorin is just a gigantic bum to be honest

>>97591442
I think it's a neat idea and fucking HATE it because they dropped the ball on it.
OG Kamigawa: Serious original take on shintoism gone crazy
Neon Dynasty: OMG CURRY BUNS KAWAII

Neon dynasty was written by californians whose exposure to japanese culture was Naruto

>>97597388
download ebooks if someone uploaded them.
Several aren't scanned so they can be $$$
>>97592462
Some are good, some are bad.
It was still cool we used to get them in fat packs

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>>97642120
Unfortunately it had best girl so your wrong

>>97641884
Between Nahiri, Nissa and Kiora, Zendikar's planeswalkers are kind of hot-headed. Nissa has mostly gotten over it but Kiora and Nahiri very much haven't.

Remember, oil-based lubricants break condoms

>>97642087
Which I hate, when he was first introduced, we had this elder vampire planeswalker that despise being mono black (originally) he seemed like a anti-hero realising there was greater threats to fight against, his reveal as Avancyn creator paint him as a true white-black anti hero, one that was not neccesary nice but could see the bigger picture and strive for a greater good, no to mention strong as fuck, and then his drama with Nahiri really start to paint him as way too high into his own ass to be effective. I really hope that he mellows out after the wedding and realising he is tired, hell, he could become a mentor to another young planeswalker and learn from his mistakes with Nahiri to be a better mentor this time.

>>97642222
Kiora and Nahiri dont matter now since they got desparked, while we havent gotten a Sorin card in a while, I think it was confirmed he remains a walker.

>>97642122
Thats my issue, I cant find epubs, I know people tend to say that the first half is the good part and the second half is where the writting gets funky, but you know being MTG first mayor story, I have always been interested on reading it.

>>97642602
They matter to me.

>>97642087
I mean he is vampire aristocracy, and he can all "holier than you" to Innistrad vampires, but he still acts as uncaring and selflishly as they do.

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>>97642573
>Tfw you accidentally impregnate the Mother of Machines

>>97645023
oh no :DD