who are you quoting.

>>97598276
Can you please fuck off

>>97598273
Why would it move beyond if power was being centralized?

>>97598278
could you please stop strawmanning for the sake of another low quality spam thread.

>>97598283
Because centralized power under a king with mass-produced state issued weaponry and armor being given to a professional standing army is very much not a medieval dynamic at least not early or high middle ages, that's a renaissance and somewhat late middle ages dynamic.

>>97598273
Munitions plate is not like the suits fantasy settings generally use, requiring some tangential metallurgy to the high-quality articulated suits generally focused upon and something of a surplus of metal to bang out still-decent plates relatively cheaply. Any number of constraints on sufficiently skilled smiths or the resources required to make adequate steel could easily see plate restrained to the upper classes.

Additionally, fantasy settings quite often have exorbitantly expensive exotic crafts to improve arms and armor tangentially to the base mundane material and creatures demanding such to deal with, as well as exotic combat-relevant skills that make scarce professionals of some status mulch ordinary men at scopes cannonry took quite some time to reach, such that even should the peasants be able to afford proto-industrial half-plate it can remain stuck with feudal governance simply because the scale goes so high that this is comparatively not much different from the early-medieval levies.

>>97598273
Name three examples, tourist.

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>>97598300
It always weirds me out that there isn't more industry and robber barony type stuff in the sort of standard high fantasy worlds. A couple low level mages and some smiths and psions could make low level factories with a lot less technological progression.


Even wizards benefit from money and power. Hell, the mage guild could basically be a free labor scheme where journeyman mages put what they learn to work to get better. There would be a much more decentralized industrial revolution which would create a really interest and different social structure imo

Who are you quoting schizo?

>>97598273
Ask the worldbuilding general newfag.

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>>97598276
an identical shitpost from a day ago on /k/
everyone who replied is literally eating another board's waste
kys retards

>>97598273
Who are you quoting?

Also CASTLE

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>>97598273
>MOM! I'VE REPOSTED THIS ONCE MORE! COME SEE!

>>97598278
Can you?

>>97598292
Weren't legionnaries given their armor and weapons by the state in late republic period or someshit like that? With a medieval implementation of metallurgy, It seems plausible to have that kind of thing without gunpowder.

>>97599245
nah, but they were given money when they signed up.
Either way, bro just make the world you want and don't cry about others making different worlds especially since technology doesnt exist on a linear research tree and im saying this as a fan of renaissance

>settings

>>97598273
Every time a fantasy universe doesn't have gunpowder because "guns aren't fantasy" an angel loses its wings

>>97599245
>Weren't legionnaries given their armor and weapons by the state in late republic period or someshit like that?
Yes. This was enormously expensive and drove the state to war more often than not, though that was still true when standing armies returned to Europe later on.

>>97599245
That's Antiquity, though, not Middle Ages.

>>97598278
Afraid not, nogames.

The answer is always "aesthetics", which is the most important aspect of everything ever. We can not close the thread.

>>97598273
Which system?

With out the invention of gun powder there would still be an arms race like there always has been and always will be which means you would still have the endless progression of armor to stop the newest weapon and weapon to pierce the newest armor. I think you would end up with a world of high-quality steel armor being mass-produced in industrial revelation style factories and soldiers carrying high powered crossbows or possibly something that looks like a gun but uses springs to fire a projectile instead of gun powder.

>>97598273
Because the archetypical tabletop fantasy setting is aiming for a specific feel/aesthetic and gunpowder weaponry doesn't mix with it while plate armor does in spite of the anachronism anything else is just fluff for this foundational truth.

>>97599245
what does that have to do with the medieval dynamic?

>>97602964
What doesn't it?

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If you advance into magical industrial revolution, you get Eberron.

And literally everyone hates Eberron, right?

>>97604259
Legionnaries.

>>97606690
Okay so it is relevant to the medieval dynamic, got it.

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>>97604264
Nah son, got my ro-bros.

>>97604264
>>97606904
Warforged are cool and the antithesis of everything Pathfinder is about dumbing down races so they're all blandly identical even when it makes no logical sense.
Ebberon itself is...unusually bland for something that on the surface is divergent from the varied inbred offspring of Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms.

>>97604264
I like Eberron just fine as a setting, just not enough written about it that is as good as the best stuff for other settings like Planescape and Dragonlance.

>>97611318
Check Keith Baker's books and blog.

>the fantasy game isn't realistic!
Oh no! Anyway...

>>97606811
Legionnaires are not from the medieval period, anon.

>>97598273
Show me on the world map where my game takes place, and show me on the calendar when the game takes place.

>>97617085
Legionnaires are irrelevant to the point made.

>>97598276
No

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>>97598273
I'd hesitate to call anything before first industrial revolution truly "mass produced". But you do have a point that in a world stuck in medieval stasis for indeterminate amount of time iron goods should start to become more affordable because they keep being produced faster than they are being consumed.
Unless... there actually is something that does consume them.

>>97598276
Fpbp.

>>97599245
Not quite. Your rank depended on the gear you could afford. The closest to state issue uniforms were under Diocletian or Constantine I don't remember when the requirements were lifted entirely and you got state issued spear and shield by default.

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>>97598273
Because handguns are a whole new invention of warfare that vastly changes the dynamic.

Meanwhile Maximilian plate armour is just more advanced armour, featuring less chain and more plate.
It doesn't vastly change the dynamic of combat and warfare, and so is orders more permissible for a medieval-esque fantasy setting.

It's also a vehicle for flaunting wealth and personal chosen identity, in a way that handguns, though able to be crafted very finely, were not.

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What about giant suits of magical armor?

>>97598273
>>97598278
I don't even mind random engagement topics, but this is the nth iteration of
>muh firearms in muh medieval/fantasy setting
There is really no point in wondering what is going inside a schizo's head, but sometimes I really can't help it, because what the fuck is it that led someone into being randomly obsessed over spamming a topic so specific yet so pointless (since "people" who follow this pattern exists across this site). I always end up on the theory, that it started out as random baitfaggotry but then was repeated so often it became compulsive, while the baitfaggot still tells himself he can stop whenever he wants and that he just doesn't because he is still getting a few reactions.

Head goddess of my setting changed fundamental rules of reality to prevent technological progress beyond ancient rome

>>97598276
>greentexts can't be used to imply a scenario