>>97600281
Fairest Romancer of the Spring Court. It's not even a contest.

>>97600307
I proceed to trigger the supernatural abuse victim's PTSD and proceed to win once it's disqualified for its fits of hysteria.

>>97600281
Any Sidhe. Wins over >>97600307 due to actually being an elf rather than elf rape victim.

>>97600281
>TQ
Archmaster of Life and Prime, easy

>>97600281
depends does the nwo or the syndicate decide who wins?

>>97600505
All conventions will create a special committee to decide Control has the final say

>>97600546
this changes nothing really on the question: are the nwo or the syndicate currently winning their power struggle? Because that decides who gets to decide who wins the contest?

it's nice that they give the rest of the lesser conventions the illusion of being included though

Always found it weird how MtA and WtA have tech focused groups(Virtual Adepts and Glass Walkers) and the most intervined to human society and has to interact with the tech the most splat, VtM doesn't have one
Nosferatu are masters at tech because they're culturally inclined at it not because they have any abilities
The closest one is Path of Technomancy for Tremere which is still extremely rare. And even if they were common it'd be bad writing honestly, Tremere having every niche is just fucking retarded

>>97600621
>Tremere having every niche is just fucking retarded
Writer's pets

>>97600621
in theory, VtM's tech focused group are the neonates
making a specific group dedicated to tech would imply these Elders are dedicated to said tech and understand its stakes, undermining this theme of the game imo

A Lostling walks into a bar.
The pain reminds the Lostling of when it was raped by a fairy and it goes into a catatonic episode.

>>97600465
why prime tho?

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>>97600660
Who hurt u? Wanna talk 'bout it fren? Me lieks hewping peeps XD
:3

>>97600465
not mind? you don't need to be the prettiest you just need to win the contest

>>97600281
>Who do you nominate to represent your tribe/clan/kith/faction/etc?
The character I played, a Fairest Mirrorskin with Striking Looks 2, Presence 5, and Small-Framed. He was always the prettiest one in the room.

>>97600621
they tried to the trujah the tech faction in v20, but just like kyasid alchemy it was too little too late and mechanically there was nothing really there

>>97600764
tried to make the trujah
sorry i am tired pun intended

>>97600683
hwnbahf

>>97600281
Easy, a Flowering Elemental or Fairest would easily win ovrr any jury by pure power of smelling realy good.

>>97600621
Because VtM has a very different outlook on the world and tech than some later games do. VtM was written without any sort of grand cosmic order in mind except maybe a vague notion of God being real. Technology was not some sort of avatar of a cosmic force of progress and civilization, it was technology. It's a tool, a tool that concerningly can allow mortals to narrow the gap between your power and theirs. Good news is that you as a vampire can use technology too, but to do that you have to stay on top of things and not fall into detached apathy as so many vampires do as they age.

Making a "tech" discipline is somewhat incongruous with this outlook of VtM's. It's not magic, it's something that puts you and mortals on more even footing. To paraphrase that one Bloodlines loading screen quote, if mortals with pitchforks and torches could threaten vampires a thousand years ago, what could they do today with the vast array of modern weaponry?

Anyway I already provided you with a practical solution last thread. Caitiff can, under rare circumstances, create entirely custom disciplines. It's also possible for them to start a tiny bloodline. You can have a technomancy discipline without having to rewrite the entire setting if you want.

>>97600281
Fianna Galliard (with all the stupid sex pheromones) but she'd probably get raped by some envious BSD on her way to the contest

Changelingbros, any recommendations for my Ogre? I'm wondering what I should do with him mechanically. While the game itself is mostly using 2e core rules, we're mostly using backported 1e rules for all the Changeling stuff. Some 2e merits could be up for grabs with ST approval though.

He's a boogeymanesque vigilante in late Victorian London. He's not that big for an Ogre, and while naturally quite strong I only started with Stone 1, he's best at stealth, intimidation, and combat. My current plan is to focus Stone for a while, at least until Stone 4 and I get the power that lets me rapidly heal while feasting, just to save everyone the headache of having to constantly forage for healing goblin fruit. But am I missing any neat contracts or merits tucked away in a supplement book?

It's pretty funny everyone else is talking about their sexy fairest when I'm out here with a horribly ugly ogre.

>>97600281
Asking again since thread was dying when I got around to posting.

Anyone here have experience running Loom of Fate? Looking to give it a shot with Revised rules, but I'm gonna assume the rotes and numbers don't translate overall (and that's aside the lore changes since 1e).

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>>97600393
>So which tribe were the first two on the table?
Shadow Lord and Glass Walker.

>the one that finally got to the table at the end?
Black Furies.

>>97601056
For ogres you can't go wrong with the heavy weapons merit from hurt locker and a few of the other style merits. Headbut rocks.
Otherwise a good hollow with the enhancements to get willpower back without sleeping and goblin fruit will almost always be good. Personaly i like going for a nice car, but that's expensive merit wise.
Contract wise, hard to say as i am not realy knowing how you would backport them. I found the 1e contracts pretty sad and barely used them. Back then we mostly relied on Talecrafting and mundane guns to do most of the heavy lifting.

someone in a chatroom said to not look up totentanz so I looked up totentanz
how do I unlook

>>97601728
read the whole book

>>97601728
Grow a spine.

>>97601728
You can't. Accept that this is the true face of the Tzigger.

Why didn't the Lostling cross the road?
It was going to, but the road reminded it of the time that a fairy raped it, so it had a meltie instead.

>>97600563
The Syndicate of course, NWO is a convention of desk jockeys and expandable muscle. They lack the ability to spot things of true value

>>97601826
>>97601728
Why do Tzimisce turn themselves into weird inhuman blorbos instead of becoming ascended picturesque gigachads/staceys?

>>97602076
dif 9
taste

>>97602076
Increasing Appearance is basically worthless, there's a reason.

>>97601728
Are you friends with a malkavian?

>>97601816
Wouldn’t 2 spines look weird on him, though?

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>>97602384

In an extremely normal CofD session tonight, my vampire with celerity has lost against a mage with luck powers of some sort in a direct competition of Dance Dance Revolution

>>97602747
Your misfortune made me laugh, thank you

>>97602747
At least it wasn’t Galactic Dance Off

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Which is your favorite Mundus Tenebrarum game line and why?

>Beast: the Oblivion
>Deviant: the Primordial
>Geist: the Requiem
>Promethean: the Descent
>Vampire: the Vigil
>Wraith: the Lost

I have completed the combinations. I hope you enjoyed them.

>>97602076
According to the latest canon that talks about it aka dav20 it’s because of kupala’s influence before that it was because of the soul eaters or the eldest , but just like the idea that the eldritch fleshcrafting discipline can not he used to heal (for the same reason by the way) trannys tend to hate that bit of lore

>>97602076
Low IQ.

>>97603012
Congratulations.

>>97603029
>gain mastery over the flesh
>use it to only become some Geiger semen demon or a hellraiser fanfic OC
The Eldest must be so disappointed if he weren't a giant psychopathic blob

>>97603180
Nah the eldest is into that shit he is the one who killed every methuselah who even thought about moving his brood into another direction

The current state of the clan are 100% to his liking and equally his fault

>>97603029
Based Kupala

>>97602076
Because they are evil. And evil breeds ugliness. And because the Discipline cannot be used to actually make beautiful things, but can only distort what is already there.

>>97603406
I'm glad the WoD general has finally accepted that Tziggers are ugly, disgusting, corrupted, ontologically evil beings that probably have space AIDs, and who only use their powers to do fucked up things, and would NEVER join the Camarilla and open a plastic surgery clinic.

How many Lostlings does it take to change a lightbulb?

Trick question, no amount of Lostlings can change a lightbulb. The process is so phallic that it reminds of the time that they were raped by fairies and they all run off, screaming and crying and shitting themselves.

>>97602076
I guess most just find the peak human form boring after a while

>>97602076
because that's a human ideal, not a kindred one

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>>97603468
Unironically this, BUT

>open a plastic surgery clinic.
That they would do. Specially if they got to make some trannies.

>>97603214
>>97603406
>>97603468
>>97603518
>>97603528
There seem to be a lot of differing opinions on this. Curious, yet even young Tzimisce are insane abominations so I don't think it might be related to the time spent being a Tzim, might just be some sort of in-made psychosis like some of you suggest

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fun fact about kupala: devil's due heavily implies that kupala real celestial name is beelzebub the lord of flies given that it gives him the crowned fly as heraldry

Beelzebub shows up in earlier DTF books but only during pre fall records as one of the Rabisu especially the one who was in charge of working on small beings that feed on corpses which would explain why he is one of the few who figured out how to have vampire thralls and as a devourer he would have the lores (flesh, beasts) that would give him pretty much the same inherent movepool as a tzimisce with only auspex being replaced with plant manipulation which is a power kupala had in earlier vtm books (but then again so was stone manipulation and that's another house's lore)

obviously done in post given that devil's due is one of the last books in wod and kupala used to be a talon of the wyrm before that, but i thought that was neatly handled

>>97603700
I'm the "evil breeds ugliness" anon, and the reason why I think that Tzimisce never end up becoming "ethereally beautiful" using vicissitude is that Disciple requires a belief that one's own whims are superior to nature, and thus they would NOT favor things like symmetry, smoothness, and wholesomeness of form.
Now, add that to the fact that Tzimisce generally Embrace the sickest of sick fucks, AND the nature of vampirism to suck away all the humanity and goodness in a human being, and you get the results of Tzimisce becoming horrifyingly ugly.

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>>97603501
>*laughs in Spring Court*

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>>97603831
monke

>>97603838
Yeah, rape is the least likely thing that the Keeper did to cause trauma, but the haters can't pull themselves out of that mindset and think deeper, like how Gristlegrinders had to be living trash disposals, or being trapped as a living statue, unmoving, or being a hunted beast, always on the run from the chase.

Even Playmates have Abandonment issues, as they were treated as the Keeper's best friend and partner, and then just got thrown away once they got bored of them.

>>97602076
They do, there are Tzimisce that turn themselves or their ghouls extremely attractive for manipulation
Idk why all of the replies to this post imply that doesn't exist, it's like saying all Malkavians are like Bloodlines protag when for a lot you wouldn't even be able to tell they have a derangement

>>97603700
i am the anon who mentioned dav20 and now that i am on my pc again here is quote for that

>Kupala is a poison upon this land. Of that thereis little doubt.We, as inheritors of the land, claim immunity. But, and this is where my thoughts turn dangerous, what if that is not true? What if the Tzimisce are as susceptible to its contamination as everyone else? Certainly the Old Clan have said as much. In the past I scoffed at such a dire claim, but in recent months I have come to reconsider. In my heart I know it is wrong. I know that we are wrong.
>I cannot, to this day, reconcile how the great voivodes who rule over the land itself have come to possess a skill as crude and pedestrian as Vicissitude. Moreover, why, when gifted with power over form and flesh and being, do we obsess over the monstrous? Why do we so seldomly create anything of beauty? Yes, the monstrous is fearful, and as I well know, fear has its place in conquest and rulership. And yes, sometimes form befits function, and occasions arise where practicality rules. But why do we embrace the monstrous aesthetic upon our bodies, in our homes, and in our own souls, when clearly we have other options? Why, even when we do attempt beauty does it always possess a certain fearfulness? And, I think, the answer is obvious: Kupala.
>We are as poisoned as any other would-be conquerors of these lands. More so even, for while the over-ambitious zeman or even the upstart Tremere (may they die the Hideous Death a thousand times) can simply leave, we have no such luxury. It is Kupala’s great trick to have bound us to the soil of our birth and to him.

>Vicissitude cannot be used to heal. Indeed, its very use is often damaging, and always invasive. After, a subject usually needs time to heal from the trauma of their shaping. Unfortunately for them, the physical pain is the least of their worries, a temporary inconvenience compared to adjustment of life within a new, often unrecognizable, body

>>97603838
Abbey bros are we going to let this stand?

>>97603899
Do you really think you stand a chance against a Fairest who can use the power of the Crown that well against you?

>>97603906
Where there's a will, there's a way.

>>97603913
>Hedonists
>Having willpower against someone with supernatural control over people's ability to resist their charms

>>97603906
to be fair, that quote is from 1e, so if anything that Fairest is probably using Contracts of Vainglory.

Which, interestingly enough, could do a lot of what's described there. Dot 1 gives bonus dice to general social rolls, and by meeting the Catch of "Pretends to be a socialite or celebrity whose fame comes from status or good looks alone" could spam it glamour free on the entire gangbang. Dot 2, Song of Distant Arcadia would let her add her Wyrd to the Persuasion roll to talk the hunters into the gangbang, and the big one here, dot 3, Splendor of the Envoy's Protection would not only add a +2 bonus to her striking looks on top of whatever she has naturally, it'd make the Hunters unable to harm her. Meaning even when surrounded by Abbey psychos, it only ever goes as far as she wants. Any glamour spent on the latter two powers could easily be made back during the glamour harvesting that no doubt went down during the orgy, if anything she went positive on Glamour gained. which is to say I really don't understand the people who say 1e contracts are useless. They're specific, and few are idiot-proof win buttons, but if you're clever, they're still very good. Which is what I want from my Changeling powers anyway. Specific tricks that reward clever play and "playing to type".

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>>97602384
>>97602396
Nice.
Crinos form reminds me of some of the 1st Edition WTA.

>>97603985
Would

>>97603831
Based.

>>97603831
oh nice a Yeren who is not just a brute in a suit

Sex with Eshu women

>>97603880
Well, even in bloodlines they do fall you that you "have it bad".

>>97603950
It's from 2e actually, Mortal Remains. So chances are she was using Contracts of Spring, which are all about manipulating desire as well as other things. Plus Crown, there's one that prevents anyone in attendance from doing physical harm, for which the Loophole is doing it at an official occasion. If the Abbey lads and lasses have official Friday orgy nights, they just handed themselves to her on a silver platter,

Knock knock.
>Who's there?
A fairy.
>AAAIEEE MY KEEPER'S COME BACK TO RAPE ME OH MY GODDESS I'M GONNA HAVE ANOTHER DURANCE

>>97602076
They can and sometimes do use it for good. A talented surgeon is one of the Tzimisce archetypes. The problem lies in the fact that Tziggers mostly embrace misanthropic megalomaniacal psychopaths. To make a "kindhearted, well meaning Tzimisce", means that he should have practically zero relations with his sire and clan (which in turn is difficult to justify due to how much of a control freaks they tend to be) or have insane levels of willpower to resist the molding and manipulation by his sire. And this besides the fact that, again, it would be rare for a dragon to embrace a good person in the first place.

>>97604330
Mortal Remains was pre CtL2e though, pre Vigil 2e as well, it was the book for running Vigil with the new CofD core.

Mortal Remains dropped in 2014, CtL2e dropped in 2019. Definitely wasn't written with 2e Lostlings in mind.

Did the other splats get equivalents to Mortal Remains?

>>97604385
And now she's going to rape YOU because she needs the Glamour. Bend over.

>>97604385
>>97604523
Why don't the Lost just learn to enjoy getting raped by Fae?

>>97604535
Same reason True Fae prey on mortals instead of each other, I guess.

>>97604560
I could survive getting every orifice turned into a time dilation device mid Fae rape. I may even probably not enjoy it honestly, I'm sure whatever weird practice a Fae has might leave me traumatized it. I suppose it'd be like asking Cthulhu to diddle you with tentacles and then the tentacles come out of your eyeballs and then you vomit up some eldritch polyp-child

>>97601726
Heavy Weapons is pretty good, but I'm somewhat iffy on terribly specific fighting styles just because there's plenty of situations where you'll get into a fight without your weapon of choice. At least at my table, fighting under ideal situations is a luxury.

Backporting contracts was easy. Most of the work is adjusting cost for the different exp system. Everything else works pretty much as is. Whenever someone says they think the 1e contracts suck I wonder if we're playing the same game, if I'm being perfectly honest. You just gotta use your head. My Ogre's a Farwalker heavily invested in Contracts of Smoke and I'm stacking so many stealth buffs I haven't failed a single stealth roll yet, and the catches are so easy to meet that they're practically free. Oath and Punishment's first dot is reflexive so I can leap at minimum 15 feet without sacrificing my action. Stone 1 is a nice little combat buff and I recently picked up Stone 2 which seems pretty meh until you start thinking outside the box. I like that, even as the strong, physically oriented one, I'm still encouraged to play things smart.

>>97604521
1e covers everything other than Deviants.

>>97603985
Sexo with dog woman

Seriously, how the fuck does one run a W20 game in New Orleans? Or any splat? There's so much cross-splat shit in such close proximity, and its not even like you can ignore the other splats. The Garou story is intrinsically tied to the Kindred and Mages in the area.

My head fucking hurts.

Hedgefag, what happened to him

>>97604667
Include the shit you want to run, remove the shit you aren't interested in running.

Why do you need people to tell you this? If you're completely unwilling to deviate from canon in order to produce a better chronicle for your group, you shouldn't ST at all.

>>97604677
Seconding. Cross splat is only real if you want it to be. White Wolf themselves explicitly say in the Revised VTM ST guide to erase any of their official characters and lore from existence at your table if it's getting in the way of what you want to do with your chronicle. Or kill them off. Or do whatever you want with them. They explicitly approved of "your table, your WoD".

>>97604677
>>97604732
Thirding.

>>97604603
My gripe with vontracts in 1e was always that i ended up with a lot of contract dots i only had to buy to get the ones i wanted, meaning i ended up with a bunch of powers i didn't feel like they would fit my character concept at all. That and paying for things you don't even want just feels bad.
Power level wise it's odd, some 1e contracts clearly are just filler, but others are even more broken than 2e ones. For me Regalia work pretty well as i like the flexibility of just picking up something that in 1e was a 3rd dot clause without needing to get anything else. I distinctly remember being disappointed with the 1st dot of Elements in 1e very often, for example. Then again, i bought way to many Tokens in 1e, maybe investing some of the exp from them into contracts might have changed my mind back then.

Besides that:
Improvised weapons are great for ogres. Take the merit that takes away the penalty for them being improvised (should be in hurt locker i think) and just rip out street signs to use as a 2 handed battlemace. Or beat someone to death with their easier grabbed buddy. Promethean also has a great combat style merit (brute force or something) that is even recommended to use in (i think) grim fears for ogres (at least an example ogre has it at 3 dots). Or use the martial art of hiding landmines and explosives in your enemies bedroom like a normal faerie.

>>97600621
>Tremere having every niche is just fucking retarded
And yet it's a constant, because even in Awakening they are DaveBs pet legacy who were once a whole order unto themselves and eat and erase other more interesting Reapers for the sake of their lame, unnecessary overwroughth goals.

>>97603468
It's other way around. It was accepted in the earlier days. V5 rebranded them as chuddy autistic control freaks, instead of flesh crafting monstrosities (which pleases me greatly. Necroscope Tziggers were cringe)

>>97604385
>>97604523
>>97604535
>>97604560
>>97604575
>Unimaginative retards who think Rape is the only thing keepers do
Again, it's the least likely means of abuse. But hey, you keep being fanboys of the Otherkin game where doing taxes kills your fairy soul.

>>97603012
>>Wraith: the Lost
A game of lost souls?

>>97605162
That sounds pretty Dark.

Both CofD and WoD fae are dick, just in different ways

>>97605153
Alright fine, I'm sure I'll survive some dickish elf alien telling me of all the times I've fumbled my social interactions throughout my past and future (and blown out of proportions) while it also mocks my deepest insecurities but then pretends to be a friend who understands and supports me until it kills itself to further traumatize me and then the corpse starts mocking me for hoping I could have real friends or something
Rape is just a lot funnier and easier to write imo

>>97605201
Everyone is a dick to a homosexual tzismisce

>>97605323
>Tzim with no fleshcrafting
>Can't just will itself into a man
V5 was a mistake, as always

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>>97603700
You are beyond human. Why would you settle for human standards of beauty? Would you care if a cow wanted you to be on 4 legs and eat grass? Fuck no.

>>97605420
>how bro felt after saying that

>>97604752
>>97604732
>>97604677
Bruh. What you're all failing to consider is that I want to use that shit. I want to use Mage and Kindred in a Werewolf story, I find the plotline as established in New Orleans by Night interesting. I am definitely not afraid of deviating from canon, there's barely any to begin with you lovably autistic retards, I was just bitching about the city being so dense.

>>97603831
Thank you drawGOD.
Didya ever finish the O'Tolley's piece with the freakishly tall manager?

>>97605455
Just use it then. Run into a snag? Fuck it, pretend it doesn't exist and fill it in with some occult movie or franchise you like later

Inside of you, there are two Lostlings.
One is screaming incessantly about the fairy that raped it.
So is the other.

>>97605665
Both are raping you.

>>97605847
That's obvious though, why else would they be inside you? The abused typically become abusers.

>>97605665
>>97605876
Have you tried just saying no?

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Fae? Silly tales for children

>>97605665
>>97605847
>>97605876
>>97605959
>When you have only one joke and have to run it into the deepest mines

>>97606042
There's only one joke to make about such a one-dimensional game.

>>97606042
Suggest a new one for Lost. Fae debt slavery?

>>97605230
>Lost players think this type of shit is “le traumatizing”
>Doesn’t even hold a candle to a typical Sabbat pack
Are CofD mortals just a bunch of pussies?

>>97605230
>Bro just described a WtO Shadow like we wouldn’t notice

>Hunter code is appearing in the new captcha
A-anons???

>>97606270
OP here. I didnt mention it before but that beauty contest was sponsored by Ashwood Abbey

>>97606240
I'm not even sure where that comes from, a "Durance" is more like slavery, not random torture. That's where the Seemings and Kiths come from, what kind of role they had in Arcadia, like princess, monster, force of nature, etc. That's also why some people are loyalists, because maybe they preferred that role.

>>97606324
>I'm not even sure where that comes from
>When the game pretty explicitly states they created their court system specifically because, and based on, their trauma
???

>>97606270
Take your meds NOW!!!

>>97606270
Creed? It better not be Mercy

>>97606240
>>97606261
I thought it was imaginative :(

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>>97603012
>>Promethean: the Descent
A game of plunging literally downward and trying to retain your sanity and humanity

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>>97605461
Oh I've been picking away at it since the last update. Here you go!

>>97606724
Looking good.

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When was the last time you had a permanent animal sidekick?

>>97606052
Sure, if you actually ignore everything the game is actually about to keep repeating something it's not about.

>>97606349
The Courts are also about opposing the very nature of the Gentry. Sharing power by rotating the Courts, unity and diversity in working together, and playing to your strengths and covering others' weaknesses.

>>97606865
You're crying almost as much as Lostlings cry about being raped by fairies.

>>97606905
Still mad that Lost is way more popular than Otherkin: The Glamourboming?

>>97606926
I guess when you're incapable of defending your fairy rape game, edition warring is all you can do.

>>97606270
And nothing of worth has changed.

>>97606724
Now draw him giving birth!

>>97606040
The final boss of the Syndicate/Ministry of Mammon.

>>97606941
Says the guy flat-out lie-memeing because he's edition-warring.

>>97606724
I said it before and I'll say it again: still a better place to frequent and work in than the average Popeye's.

>>97607103
Don't be so insecure. There's nothing wrong with playing a game all about pretending to be a victim of fairy rape.

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>>97607103
>>97607135
So you guys want to talk about the Lost? I need some ideas for my next game and I want to do something besides stealing ideas.

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>>97607235
>Pic
WOW! Whats that beautiful new carpet for my palace that my eyes are seeing?

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>>97607350
>v*vzie garbage
Not worthy even to clog the sewers

>>97604878
Could just be a game of different mindsets and different tables. I don't begrudge people who prefer 2e CtL, it's just not what I want from my 'lings. I've been up to some heinous shit with Disabling Tactics + Strength Performance as far as fighting merits go. When you can almost certainly arm wrack an enemy's weapon arm, there's very little they can do against you. Part of me is even considering Close Quarters so I can stack stealth bonuses even further but that seems almost unnecessary.

Also, not explicitly related but to the rest of the thread, the guy who is screaming about rape is just trolling for (you)s, ignore him. My Ogre's whole durance was about being a mix of an attack dog and bounty hunter for a Fae that got him on an absurd technicality. He's now trying to use his boogeyman powers for good by cleaning up the natural and supernatural crime in London.

>>97607369
Hi pot, meet kettle.

>>97607428
>Could just be a game of different mindsets and different tables.
There is a reason why 2e ended up as it did, it tried to adress some of the major gripes people had with 1e.

>>97607475
And in the process disappointed the people who didn't have "major gripes" with 1e.

>>97607475
I mean, there's also how a lot of 1E's design came about because Requiem 1E acted as a much harder-fixed design template for all splats in 1E.

In 2E they felt like they could branch out and do things differently in a way that feels better fit to each splat. That and opening up Merit design space a lot more meant way more interesting variation in how characters could be built.

>>97607502
Yeah, but it also didn't magically replace their 1E books, either.

>>97607532
>Yeah, but it also didn't magically replace their 1E books, either.
Yeah, I agree. That's why it's a good thing that CofD 2e stopped being developed by Paradox. We've already got all of the books we need and they're not going to be magically deleted, so it's good that they're focusing on a different product for a different audience. We've already got everything we need.

Any recommendations on where to find WoD games not full of annoying queers and enby types?

>>97607559
Paradox stopped new approvals because they realized Hunter 5 was just a garbage version of Vigil 2E and didn't want any more internal competition, even though it was basically free money from the license royalties.

>>97607648
And that's a good thing. It's not like H5 is magically replacing HtV2e, after all.

>>97607634
>Any recommendations on where to find WoD games not full of annoying queers and enby types?
Here is basically your only shot.

>>97607681
I'd rather run a game for a thousand annoying queers and enby types than try to run a game for you fags, with all of your weird takes, white room bullshit and unrelenting autism.

>>97607669
Eh, remind me when they do anything worth talk about.

>>97607689
In that case go to the white wolf discord or something.

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>>97607690
Alternatively, "your criticism doesn't matter because you still have the books of the thing you would rather play" is a silly and meaningless thought-terminating cliche used to shut down discussions without engaging with the actual criticism being made.

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>>97607704
No thanks, I already have my own group. Just making the point that as entertaining as all of you are to banter with, you're the last people I'd ever want to actually play WoD or CofD with.

>>97607689
I've played enough dnd with randos to know that playing with those types is only tolerable until someone self implodes over some stupid perceived microaggression. Either that, or the game is intolerably boring because the rest of the party is resolving their dysphoria through their characters while the dm whose only creative inspiration is marvel movies plods us through the most uninspired milquetoast campaign ever

I'm not an autistic chud who wants free license to try to rape random npcs I just want to play a game with people who have any actual spark of creativity and aren't just troons larping having tits and dealing with their unresolved daddy issues

>>97607738
>people who have any actual spark of creativity
You won't find any of those here.

>>97607669
>And that's a good thing.
It really isn't. No matter how much you want to whine about how you don't like 2E.

>>97607725
If your only argument is "I'd rather just play the older version I already have" then why shit on other people who enjoy the newer version? Just enjoy your version, don't buy the newer one, and let the people who do like the newer version enjoy that.

>>97607889
Not OP but when you split the playerbase between editions one will eventually inevitably end up winning out- and the winner is more often than not the more recent one regardless of whether it's better or worse than the older edition

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>>97607889
The argument is "the latest version lacks a reason to be played over its predecessors." to the point you might as well just get mortal rules in a free supplement and spare the cash.

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>>97607730
I think that's Jazal, a MtG character

>>97607669
isn't that the idea though?

Which came first, the Lostling or its Keeper?
The Lostling, because it secretly has a fetish for being raped by fairies.

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>>97607996
>Major overall improvements and fixes to the mechanics
>They proved with the free God-Machine Rules Update that the system needed a new edition to properly implement all of the changes
>They had more room to change and improve the various splats than they did in 1E
As someone who's played several campaigns in both editions, 2E was worth it.

>>97607475
Yeah sure, but I don't think such an extreme change to the template and how it played was necessary. Requiem and Forsaken managed to unfuck their issues and give the template a facelift without feeling like entirely different games.

Anyway, this argument is played out. We agree they're very different games in practice. I might like one, you might like another. What I find the most lamentable is how the radically different editions effectively killed substantive CtL discussion. Because they practically play out so differently, one needs to qualify which edition they're talking about for the purpose of play. Which in turn makes some posters feel obligated to defend their preferred edition, as if the existence of different tastes necessitates an attack on what they like. Even if it were not the case, it splits the CtL fanbase into two camps, limiting the amount of people who can reply and discuss.

>>97608268
yeah but clearly not everyone agrees with you given there's a large contingent of people who stick to 1e Lost even if they've updated everything else to 2e at their table. You don't see any people doggedly sticking to Forsaken, Vigil, or Requiem 1e (well there was one guy here who hated 2e Requiem but I haven't seen him for a while).

I dunno why a dude can state in his post "I prefer this, but no hate to people who like the other thing" and some mfs still turn it into an edition war.

>>97607735
what about a game full swarthoid queers that say slurs like spic faggot or the N word?
but otherwise are not too salty about WOD

>>97608294
Probably because Lost was the one that could benefit most from a drastic design change, but let's be fair, the biggest complaint/whine is how hard Pledgecrafting was nerfed, because of how OP and cheap it was in 1E.

>>97607735
>to banter with
You call this banter?

>>97608310
the only people I have ever seen talk about OP pledgecrafting are 2e defenders, and the typical 1e defender argument is that 2e's got too many cheap and easy brute force win powers.

I don't think you're trying to be fair, I think you're either trying to pot stir for (you)s or win points for your preferred edition.

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>>97607050
>The final boss of the Syndicate
That's the Bog twins. Sunday is an NWO spook.

>>97608325
I've seen plenty of people on here arguing that they didn't like how it had been nerfed, you're just trying to stir shit with your "1E is the only good version" shit stirring.

Ogre Anon here. This kind of stuff is why I barely talk about my games here anymore. I'm just trying to have fun, only brought up the weird 1.5 rules we were using for clarity's sake since I was asking for mechanical ideas. Can we stop sperging out about differences in taste? It seems like that's all this general does any more.

>>97607282
Welfare queen.

>>97608338
>for clarity's sake
Very poor choice of words, Changeling boy!

>>97608338
>Can we stop sperging out about differences in taste? It seems like that's all this general does any more.
It's not like there's any new content to talk about, since Paradox's 5E stuff is bad and super slow to release, WoD stuff is fixed in time, with the last released new content being 22 years old (and 20th stuff just being a superbook of the three editions' lore and Revised rules), and CofD not likely to ever get any more books again.

And 4chan's setup promotes angry arguments over reasonable discussion.

>>97608350
Heh, good one. So far we've been very lucky on the clarity rolls. I fear when we'll start doom spiraling.

>>97608360
That's one of the things I like in 2E, that Clarity is a damage track that can heal without XP expenditure, and your Wyrd level determines how risky attacks on it are.

>>97600281


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIFrzuGjyWo

>>97608356
At least we can all circle-jerk over how much we hate the WoD5 stuff.

>>97608356
Doesn't CofD get a few releases a year from Onyx Path doing some crowdfunding or fan content?

>>97608438
It's all through StV and I dunno what's going on with it. There were some StV 2e clanbooks for Requiem that were pretty good. I recall hearing something about Forsaken as well but dunno what came of it.

>>97608438
no only fan content now(and the last what 4 years? 5?) sometimes that fan content is made by former writers, but they have to sell it on stvvauls just like us normies if we want to sell homebrew and due to the fact that it's not made by onyx path officially the budget is like 3 dollars and half a dream

>>97608438
>>97608445
paradox is not greenlighting anything cofd related and hasn't for years.

The stuff on the STVault is mostly just the writers throwing the stuff they been writing and playtesting for books that never got greenlit unto the plattform made for fan content so even that is drying up

>>97608438
StV stuff, even if it's from the actual writers, is considered "fan works" and not a retail release like the books you can buy on DTRPG.

>>97608445
I see, thank you for the information anon.
>>97608449
>nanofiber budget
Well, it is what it is sometimes.
>>97608464
>>97608465
Unfortunate but it is what it is. Maybe some day the IP will be back in good hands. There's thankfully some decent indie or "indie" games for the franchise, like a new VtM almost visual novel. We can hope that until some time comes when Paradox is no longer retarded the fans will keep the franchise alive. Or maybe you can just astral project to a timeline where it isn't in shit hands?

>>97608486
Well, at this point OPP is moving on from the setting and just creating a competing game that they don't need to pay Paradox any money for.

>>97608522
Curseborne, innit?

>>97608529
Yep.

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>tq
I nominate the local tard wrangler.

>>97608522
I really hope that game will turn out good, but I doubt it'll ever quite be WoD. This is fine of course, both games can have their appeal. Tbf I do like that curseborne is innately more of a multisplat game

>>97608567
>Tbf I do like that curseborne is innately more of a multisplat game
Which is actually kind of full circle, since WoD was inspired by Nightlife, a game that had a few books and three editions in three years that White Wolf Magazine wrote reviews on before they became a studio, which was basically a bunch of different monster types and the club scene in NYC they partied in.

>>97608583
Both things can be true
>t. Wyrm enjoyer

>>97607996
Wow, thank you for reminding me how generic and uninspired everything about V5 is. Literal call of duty goons.

>>97608588
We went from Kino Blade/Matrix wannabe's to tacticool spooks. I genuinely think to ask myself sometimes which retard at Paradox thinks this is a cool aesthetic without any of the hardline paramilitary shit you see in games like FEAR or Trepang. It just isn't a cool aesthetic innately without a solid theme keeping it together, like honestly even a normie swat squad has a more intimidating presence

>>97603012
>>Beast: the Oblivion
I bet a lot of people wish this game had been cast into oblivion!

>>97608676
>I genuinely think to ask myself sometimes which retard at Paradox thinks this is a cool aesthetic without any of the hardline paramilitary shit you see in games like FEAR or Trepang.
What did those two do right that Bloodlines 2 did wrong?

>>97608734
I think FEAR's great thing was the way you were basically an unstoppable super soldier when it came to fighting the normal enemies, but as soon as Alma shows up you can do nothing but run. It's also how it lets you find the lore bits hidden around that reveal why you're so special, why she keeps showing up around you.

>>97608734
>FEAR
Suits are incredibly bulky, visors and helmets don't do the silly eye glow except when it comes to the super futuristic shit that they go all out with, doesn't look like weird gimp outfits. If I had to say the difference, it's that FEAR actively tries to not be tacticool, it takes a relatively sensible approach to a paramilitary organization with only occasional eye glow. Also, no ugly vambraces. It is a military tactical aesthetic done right, and this is before discussing the goons having a lot more personality because of the more intimate nature of FEAR's gunplay
>Trepang2
This is tacticool done right in the same way these guys (Bloodlines 2) wanted to do, but without trying to come across as excessively cool. Suits are pretty colorful overall because the game knows and tries to be a game instead of an experience, but I won't fault Bloodlines 2 or Trepang2 for that as it's just the nature of the game design. It's simply got the military aesthetic with some cool shit going on but without looking like a nerd's idea of "damn, this aesthetic goes so hard."

Don't get me wrong, the AIO has some cool design and has potential but soulless corporate tacticool spooks isn't nearly that good of an aesthetic without gravitas behind it or ways for it to be differentiated from other forces. In a way, the IAO feels like a parody of the CT from CSGO and CS2 rather than a cool group of hunters.

>>97606659
>A game of plunging literally downward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34CZjsEI1yU

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>>97609091
Now this shit, this shit is fucking cool
>Tacticool armour
>Vaguely reminiscent of European knights
>Sword and Board
>Multiple flashlights on face for maximum
It is so weird how Paradox can manage to get guys who understand the setting so well sometimes and then completely drop the ball some other times

>>97609164
the lights are also so positioned (just like the lights on the shield) so the can flash bang you if you try to dominate them

>>97609201
That's so fucking kino

Unseelie rule, Seelie drool.

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>>97609164
don't forget the mechanical support on the legs to try and even the odds a bit more, the neck protection to avoid being bitten midfight and the fact that the sword is also holy or some shit because it actually burns vampires hit ingame for a short while.
And it's not like this guy is just running at you with a sword he is the tank so he is usually also deployed with more normal mooks (who however also all cover their faces to avoid dominate) and flamethrower fanatics (those sadly didn't make it into the game) so the bright lights on the shield are also meant to grab your attention and disorient you while his allies prepare to shoot you

the bloodhunt team was completely wasted on a battle royal... even the city we got in that game is better than the one in bloodlines 2

>>97607235
Will you be the ST, or are you looking for character ideas?

>>97607428
>I don't begrudge people who prefer 2e CtL, it's just not what I want from my 'lings
Fair. I got all 1e books in print and would never part with them. It just has a very good flair to it, artwork, fluff blurbs and unpolished ideas and all. I see 2e mostly as a better baseline, with only the rework of Pledges as a gripe. Hedgespinning and Oneiromancy in particulaar benefitted extremely from 2e.
... now that i think about it 1e contracts might work pretty well costed as supernatural Merits (like Mantle or elemental warrior style), that way the first two dots don't hurt as much and the other 3 are priced pretty much like 2e contracts.

My last PC (Fairest Swarmflight) was a puppet in Arcadia, a toy thrown away and forgotten in a huge chest. After he escaped by burning himself he build a Hollow on the moon where he produces drugs to sell on the streets of miami.
Regarding the 1e vs 2e split:
I don't feel like its a big difference. Gentry are still magnitudes of power above the Courts, PCs must still rely on wits and opportunism to get by, using flashy displays of magic causes more problems than it solves and non-fae foes are still at best comedic relief unless the ST feels particularly cruel that day.

>>97609447
>Will you be the ST, or are you looking for character ideas?
I am the ST and need some stuff outside my usual wheelhouse because my references are getting to obvious.

>>97608268
I was talking about H5.

Bad Thought: the Technocratic Conventions design space should have stuck to the "Each Convention has two Sphere's they have Advantage in" thing.
>NWO: Mind and Data (Correspondance)
>Progenitors: Life and Time
>Iteration X: Matter and Forces
>Syndicate: Prime and Entropy
>Void Engineers: Correspondance and Dimensional Science (Spirit).
Yes, I know this means two Conventions use Correspondance, but they both use it differently so it's all good.

>>97609478
Well just off the top of my head:
- unusualy many fresh escapees come through the Freehold, weirdly none want to stay, citing various reasons that begin with understandeable things like bad memories of home, gradualy become more and more absurd
- autumn courtiers receive strange visions that an old lady must win a baking contest, turns out a Gentry needs to win this specific contest to fullfill an obscure Pledge to reign over the entire area as undisputed king
- an ancient Gentry has awakened and starts mass killing evildoers and other splats, doesn't state why. Plot twist: it's just straight up enjoying playing the good guy, has no desire to do evil at all
- the Bridgeburners got into the local city planning committee and bulldoze over known (and unknown) Hedgegates to build parking lots
- MaxMart opens up a new hypermarket in the area. The Dtagon of the Free Market is come
- a courtier had a puplic crashout and unleashed A LOT of Bedlam, PCs now must clean the situation up
- Goblin Brothel
- people turn up dead, robbed, drugged and/or unconcious in spots they shouldn't be, police investigates. PCs tasked with finding out if it's Fae related
- a Gentry just starts talking about the reality of the world on camera during an interview with proof. Reporter isn't a bad guy but sceptical enough not to sell it to a news station immeadiatly. What do?
- mortal friend/favourite bar or whatever get's pressed into paying protection money to the local crimelord
- city is put under military quarantine and lockdown, alledgedly due to big terror cell. Try not being found out and make sure other splats (if they exist) don't do a stupid
- a Fairest realy, realy wants to be mayor
- an Elemental realy, realy wants to free the poor trapped water from it's prison (the dam that if destroyed would cause the city to get swept away)
- a Darkling realy, realy wants to steal corpses from the morgue
- an Ogre realy, realy wants to get into a big bar brawl
- a Wizened got forgotten

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>>97609545
>- a Wizened got forgotten

>>97609091
Perhaps an unpopular opinion but I don't like these guys either. I think it's downstream from the SI in general being a sort of lowest common denominator of all the extant oWoD hunters being thrown into a blender but "tacticool knight" doesn't do it for me.

I found the entire premise of Bloodhunt to strain credulity too much. Camarilla vampires mass diablerizing each other in the streets, Prague being blanketed in a mass of red fog. While those problems are largely the result of Battle Royale being ill-suited to VtM, V5 in general has this problem where the Masquerade only exists for vampires and the SI and co never have to face the consequences of being as subtle as a brick to the face. But putting that game's context aside this sort of design still annoys me. One thing I really liked about Bloodlines was how the hunters had to play by the rules too. Even though that one model was painfully "trenchcoat katana", the prevalence of long coats in WoD made sense for as much of a meme as they became. You can plausibly hide more and larger weapons in a nice long coat without looking suspicious. The other SoL model could easily pass for private security. They had to hide out in an old monastery on a remote part of the coast and the cove it was built over. If some nebulous tactical glowie were seen walking around with a medieval longsword and that very not regulation shield, it'd attract way too much attention for the marginal benefit of having a designated "tank" when hunting an enemy that usually avoids head-on combat in the first place.

In terms of simple composition, it's a much better design than the BL2 ones, but I don't like it in context.

Seeing FEAR mentioned has reminded me that I think it'd make a good setting for a DtR game. A bunch of experiments against a small company and their army of clones, sounds like a good time. I've not fully read DtR yet so I don't know how well it lends itself to a more action-oriented game, but eh.

There are many nuanced ways in which a Lostling can express their trauma regarding being raped by a fairy.

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>>97608567
I hope they thread the needle between 'completely divorced from the modern world' and '400 page 40 dollar reddit tds shitpost"

>>97610105
The the impergium was real and not furfag delusions of grandeur, it justifies the use of any and every tactic against G*rou. They should be made to watch as their entire family gets a silver bullet to the back of the head. They should be slowly dissolved in vats of industrial strength acid. Their souls should be ripped out of their bodies and used as a plaything by banes.

>>97609847
>DtR
If only it wasn't so fucking boring.

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>>97609673
Wizened are the most tragic kind of Lost i think. The others at least have some grim tale to tell, meanwhile the wizened just did the mundane day-to-day business in madness world. Yeah, literal slavery, but the boring kind of slavery. House faeggers so to speak.

All others have something aspiritional (like an Elemental having been the sun of an entire Realm), but poor wizened just suffered in silence out of sight. Ogres come close, but even their durances seem more ,,heroic", as in conan chained to the cornmill heroic.

Just a broom, dustpan and being looked down on by everyone, even after you return to the mundane world.

>>97610299
So the only thing worse than being raped by a fairy is being raped by a fairy and turned into its maid?

>>97608094
I don't know, this one has 4 fingers, the one in the picture has 5.

>>97610306
You seem to have problems unrelated to CtL you project onto it.

At least read the 1d4chan article on it before you post

>>97610326
Someone clearly can't handle a little bit of playful jabbing.

>>97609545
A lot of those are good ideas, I'll be adapting some them to my CtD game. Thank you anon.

>>97610105
The destruction of both Reality Deviants and outdated natural constructs is optimal. Time-Motion Managers have calculated the most optimal ways and tools to use. Collaboration with The Syndicate will not be necessary.

>>97609847
DtR does action as well as any of the other games do. Combat-focused Deviants are easy to make and flexible enough that they can be effective in multiple ways. There are also some extra rules in there to facilitate things like mooks which can reduce a lot of the overhead of having a lot of targets in an encounter.

>>97610555
If only DtR was actually entertaining to play.

>>97610105
The Blair Witch was angsty Verbena wasn't it?
>>97610208
Alright Palmer, settle down

>>97610332
>Has one dumb meme he keeps repeating
>Durr taek a joek hurr

>>97610584
>If only DtR was actually entertaining to play.
That sounds like a You problem.

>>97610860
It's not really a meme when it's the reality, is it? CtL is the fairy rape abuse trauma game and there's nothing wrong with that.

>>97610868
Yeah, I guess I'm the one who isn't suffering from post-purchase rationalization, you're right.

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>>97610315
I went and checked, it is Jazal. Seems like your art is from a comic, doesn't say which one. MtG art can be inconsistent like that unfortunately.

>>97610927
If it were the reality, sure, but it's not. Is the game about having survived abuse and escaped? Yes, but it's more about living afterwards, and your hyperfocus on rape, which is the least likely form of abuse a Gentry would commit, is just childish and a simpleton's wankery.

>>97611096
nta but is there a reason for that other than Gentry just not finding humans attractive or is it because they're just weirdos?

>>97611096
Everything in CtL ties back to how Lostlings suffer from fairy rape trauma and how they don't want to be raped by fairies again. Courts and freeholds are built around it and Lostlings need to constantly be thinking about it if they don't want to be raped by a fairy again. A Lostling can't just go on adventures in the Hedge or start a new life and forget that they were raped by a fairy. The trauma of fairy rape always stays with them and the threat of fairy rape is constant and permanent.

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HtVAnon with a question.

My Puppeteer Slasher villain has developed or uncovered a mathematical formula that can determine with great accuracy if a person in town will serve as a vector for supernatural contagion. Ie: If someone is going to awaken, have their first change etc. It doesn't predict if things from outside the town will show up and cause a mess, but if they arrive and establish themselves, this formula will account for their presence. If a Vampire moves in for example, the system would start to detect potential childer and ghouls.

All campaign long, I've kicked the can down the road with "what does this system look like?" because it didn't matter. But now one of the PCs is going to get a first-hand look at this system, and I'm stumped as to what it looks like.

The Puppeteer is inherently a genius, so there is some twisted logic and science behind it. I don't think it'd look like pic related for example. I thought a John Doe from Se7en may work, where the place is stacked floor to ceiling with deranged rants may work. As a Slasher (well a Scourge) he does have supernatural power, but he's not cognisant of that. I'd like the system to be relatively mundane, but I'm just uncertain. How would you represent this?

In an ideal world, this system would exist after his death and leave the PCs (however many are left) to wonder if they can be trusted to use it, or if it in itself can be trusted. So some way to interact with it would be preferable rather than the Puppeteer downloading the knowledge from the Astral plane of autism.

>>97611200
What year does the setting take place in? Maybe have a calculation that can be put in a graphing calculator with instructions, like you said a sort of math formula? Or maybe a type of chemical reaction to blood or hair samples that has a certain reaction depending on proximity to a change, like a stronger color or smell

>>97611221
It's 1980, sorry. If there's a bad of mad-science involved that'd be fine. Testing hair or skin samples could be an interesting notion. I could crib the old VtM Auspex colours maybe. Perhaps he uses calculations, graphs and such that identify targets and then physical samples are taken (discretely, of course). Combined with the results of the calculation as a sort of blotting paper, the colouration will outline which way the victims doom lies?

>>97611102
It's because Gentry may only do what their Titles entitle them to.
The Lord Of All Things Golden may comand currency, silence or blonde people, but may not have power over things not directly relating to that. Likewise The Scarlet Lady Of Dire Desire may only do things relating to the color scarlet, people named scarlet or relating to the desires she knows of. For tge Gentry existance is just a game with rules they agree to. To them nothing but them exists as anything but a dream.
It is even questionable if they can realy be called malicious as they literally can't comprehend that non-Gentry aren't just figments of their imagination.
As for sex, that is something they engage in if their Titles demand it. They are barren afterall, both biologicaly as well as creatively. A sub-theme of CtL is also that a lot of times changelings (elementals especialy) wonder if their Keeper took them because they unknowingly wanted it. Gentry are weird like that.

For a Gentry to rape a lot of factors need to come together.

>>97611095
Oh, I didn't know, thanks.

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What if Bloodlines 1 demake (actually just first "arc")
https://emontero.itch.io/bloodlust-santa-monica-definitive-edition

>>97611102
The Gentry take humans because there's "something missing" in their Arcadia that they think the human can fill in for. They can't, but the Gentry will twist them with fairy magic so they sort of do "for now."

>>97611112
Oversimplifying it into "hurr jus fairy rape" is why nobody likes you, Stevedave.

>>97611243
I mean, 1980 has some early monitor-based computers, so having those tie in with weird conspiracy boards and some kind of divination tools could give it a weird, arcane, and confusing "how the hell does this do what it did?" vibe.

>>97611466
It's a pithy way of describing all of the abuse trauma fairy rape that Lostlings go through. Don't get so upset over it.

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>>97611495

What's worse than being raped by a fairy?
Being raped by two fairies.

>>97611572
>What's worse than being raped by a fairy?
Holocaust.

>>97611465
why though

>>97611112
>>97611495
I'm sorry that your uncle raped you when you were little, but just because he was a fan of CtL doesn't mean you have to take it out on the fans.

>>97611645
I'm not taking anything out on anyone. Fairy rape is a short, simple and entirely valid way of describing what happens to Lostlings. You're the one who seems to be upset by it.

>>97611200
Make it a math formula, but one a computer can't parse with any degree of accuracy, the result is meaningless glossolalia. A flesh and blood person has to sit down and start crunching the numbers and interacting with the schizophrenic game theory logic present in the proof. The more you work on it, the more sense it starts to make and the deeper the seeds of obsession take root in your brain, presenting a risk of corrupting the interpreter and putting him on the same path as the author (who knows, maybe he's just the latest in a long chain of them) should they use it. Or perhaps it only makes sense if you're already insane or on the path to Slasherdom, presenting a different kind of danger. Who nows? The uncertainty and temptation of it should be a core feature. As for what it'd look like to the players? Just type out a long string of mathematical psychobabble that ends in " = RM301" and gives the players the clue that e.g. the vampire drug dealer they're looking for to stop him from manufacturing the insta-ghouling drug is holing up in room 301 of Randall's Motel. This is mostly random spitballing, let me know if you found something useful in there.

>>97611661
>Fairy rape is a short, simple and entirely wrong way of describing what happens to Lostlings.

Are you guys STILL giving this guy (You)s?

>>97611834
Sorry, but I'm not going to list all of the countless different ways that Keepers can traumatise their Lostlings, so I'll just go with fairy rape. True Fae can best be described as fairies and they utterly violate their Lostlings, with rape being one of the most notorious forms of violation in our society. Hence, fairy rape.

Stop taking yourself and the fairy rape game so seriously.

>>97611947
You could just say "abuse" instead, since it's accurate, non-specific, and doesn't imply that forced fucking is the norm.

>>97611871
Remember that period where the WtA guys kept getting stunlocked by very basic criticisms? Or when yelling about Traditions v Technocracy (as a thin veil for IRL politics) went on for like three threads straight?

This general gets so many trolls because it's easy to bait.

>>97611947
It's also not about the abuse, it's about how you live after escaping it.

>>97611095
I found a fragment.

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>>97612014
Fuck.

>>97611871
Perhaps changeling fans are the same type of people Garou fans are

>>97611982
Nah, being turned into a Lostling is a fundamental violation of the Losting's entire being. Fairy rape works better, as abuse isn't extreme enough to describe what's done to the Lostling.
>>97611988
But how Lostlings live after being raped by fairies is defined entirely by said fairy rape, especially as long as the fairy remains a threat and the prospect of being raped again by the fairy still exists.

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>>97612019
Everyone ends up butthurt when they have to put up with incessant shitposting about the thing that they like.

>>97611871
I think at this point he just replies to himself. Trolling used to be a art.

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Starting up a Princess of Storms native to Alhambra to use as an enemy, struggling to find passable reference pics

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>>97612117
No idea what you're talking about. Which splat exactly?

>>97612062
This is true, yes. Sometimes I'll admit the shitposting is pretty fun but the bait becomes repetitive and excessive at times

>>97612287
Princess: the Hopeful is a fan-splat where you play a magical girl. Alhambra is an interdimensional stronghold for "evil" magical girls.

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>>97612331
Ok. I think i got some magical girls

On 2nd thought. New captcha is ass, so i won't post more.

I've been invited to a table. 3e, so I'm already thinking it's pretty jank. Also the guy uses ALL the books. What's the most broken a 13º gen malkav can be?

>>97612380
Why is this pooka hurting herself :(

>>97612493
Fuck you mean 3e? Revised? When you say ALL the books do you mean all the VtM books or all the oWoD books?

>>97612493
>wanting to powergame oWoD games outside werewolf
>wants to pick malkavian while doing it
I feel sorry for your table

What's the difference between nWoD and CofD?

>>97612643
CofD is the name that was forced on nWoD by Paradox in order to try to make it seem like their fifth edition was the true heir to the legacy of WoD, when nWoD is the true holder of that title.

>>97612117
>Princess of Storms
The one I played was inspired by Baby Doll from Suckerpunch.

>>97611871
Some anons are autistic enough to reply to obvious bait even when they know what it is. He's just doing his usual shitty spam for whatever splat is being talked about. The ony creative thing he ever did was create the og werewolf RP thread.

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>>97612634
>Why yes GM, my character sheet is almost done.

>>97612691
>CN
... Have you even read any edition of VtM or are you just a tertiary?

>>97612591
Revised. Yes, he uses all oWoD books. Even older releases and newer releases. The background list is enormous. Even some v5 stuff is there.

>>97612717
It's a shitpost. The implication is that gigachad didn't read it.

At least this thread has proven that the smug assertion that CofD conversations are more reasonable and civilised is completely false.

>>97611728
>>97611476
I imagine he may have stacks of papers, and has recently tried to get a computer to parse and automate his work, but it has failed. Some things you have to do the old fashioned way.

>>97612733
Lostling must have been triggered by mentions of certain cruel contracts carried economically

>>97612733
>Trolls intentionally lie about the game to rile people up
>Durr they're not reasonable!

>>97612780
What about the fifty or so posts edition-warring over CtL 1e and 2e?

>>97612790
Just a troll replying to itself. That was not an authentic conversation, just someone trying to give nWoD players a bad image.

>>97612720
I was going to say you're dealing with a genuine, dyed in the wool oldhead grog until you mentioned he put some V5 books in the list. Now I'm more confused than anything else. So, I guess you're dealing with a schizo.

The good news is that 1e, 2e, and Revised are all mostly mechanically compatible with each other. Never any major changes, nothing close to 1e nWoD to 2e CofD, and those games are still 80-90% compatible themselves. Worst you get is the occasional change in how a power works mechanically, in that case, assume Revised rules unless told otherwise.

The bad news is that anything could go and unless you vibe with the very specific flavor of crackhead kitchen sink that is oWoD cross-splat, you're probably not going to have the best time. Still, it's worth trying at least to see if he's a good schizo that runs a fun game.

As for your character, do you have anything in mind besides Malkavian? Malks are one of the least physically oriented clans, so doing the braindead busted thing of celerity + aggravated damage blending everything is out of the question. Malks are THE psychological warfare clan, and every discipline they have in-clan helps them in staying one step ahead of their enemies. Picking your flavor of crazy is probably where you should start. What direction you want to take the character afterwards is downstream from that.

>>97612811
I will always say that V5 occasionally has good ideas

How do you handle Occult rolls in multi-splat campaigns? Like say for example a vampire is researching connections between the Tremere and Mages. Do you give the researcher a bonus on Occult rolls directly related to the Tremere, because he's also a vampire? Do you give a penalty to that same researcher's Occult rolls to understand Mages, because they're an alien splat?

>>97611984
>where the WtA guys kept getting stunlocked by very basic criticisms?
not how it went, weird thing to lie about

>>97612811
I'm dealing with a retard. My main group is a V2 purist one. We only play with V2 and Player's Handbook, but we play once two months. A lot of non-table roleplaying goes through discord (planning, mantaining backgrounds, establishing patterns of feeding and habits, etc) Last week a friend on that group said "Hey, you wanna play at nonsense table? It's every friday", so I figure, why not. I've only ever watched one session of this group, and there was an NPC that was straight up Blade. So I might as well go full retard.

As for my character, I'm playing a typical paranoid "they have eyes everywhere" schizo spy wannabe. It's one of them dementation malks, not the typical dominate malks of v2. I've never found much use for dementation, I think dominate is straight up better, but I'd have to buy it with freebies.

I only picked malk because I thought it would be funny instead of exploring the psychological side of the character.

>>97612790
>>97612809
As the Ogre anon who accidentally started it, I keep trying to avoid edition warring, but it keeps coming back up. Unfortunately, the two editions are very different mechanically in a way most 1e to 2e transitions weren't. I keep prefacing my posts with "no hate, you do you", and I'm trying to be civil but others just use it as an excuse to fight or shill me on 2e like I didn't already detail why I prefer the 1e lost template.

Like, I was about to post a lengthy response to one anon but it honestly just boiled down to what I already said of "That's cool, like what you like, but 2e took the splat in a direction I really did not like. I didn't think 1e needed "fixing" in the first place, certainly not to such an extreme degree. I appreciate your civility but what's left to say? We clearly don't see things the same way."

For what it's worth there's parts of oWoD and nWoD/CofD I like and parts I can't stand. When I visit here I generally get the impression nWoD discussion is more civil because the more flexible setting results in less hard lore arguments, complaints about writer biases, etc. I suppose Lost editions are more contentious because there's things to argue about both in tone and in mechanics. I don't get why so many people feel the need to frame oWoD and nWoD as diametrically opposed. Like what you like, be chill, talk about games. We can all shit on Paradox WoD together because they fucked both over.

>>97612903
>That's cool, like what you like, but 2e took the splat in a direction I really did not like.
So? It didn't delete your 1e books, so what's the problem? Just play what you want to play, you don't need to whine about something that wasn't made for you.

>>97612875
>I'm dealing with a retard
>and there was an NPC that was straight up Blade. So I might as well go full retard.
>I'm playing a typical paranoid "they have eyes everywhere" schizo spy wannabe

Say no more. I'd advise you to first get a lot of Obfuscate. Keeps you alive. Dementation might not be good for planned results, but it is good for creating chaos, and if this group is playing a cross-splat fustercluck with Blade running around, they'll probably be down with chaos. Suspect everyone, use Dementation to scromble their brains to "get them first" and run off. Avoid, evade, ramble on about nonsense and rather than play the mystical seer, use your powers to drive others nuts. Basically be the mechanical equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater.

>>97612863
Only give them a bonus if they're a Tremere or already know shit about Mages, penalty otherwise as learning about dudes that are quite literally delusional reality Warpers should be rather difficult for a newb occultist working off of some kind of unified framework