>>97616535
>Why I see so many situations of a DM trying to pull a monkey paw's situation with Wish?
the PHB says that wish works 100% perfectly when used to wish from a list of standard effects like replicating another spell
your only supposed to monkeys paw it if the player is wishing for something that vastly exceeds the scope of those effects

> Just let the spell work.
the monkeys paw is literally a case of wish doing exactly what its supposed to do, no more, no less
if the players are wishing for something vague and open to interpretation, then they are practically asking for the monkeys paw

and if the players wish for total world peace, then removing all conflict from the world would mean rolling up new characters and rolling up a new world
so having the wish not go exactly as planned is just more interesting

>>97616562
No, it doesn't mean rolling anything up. He didn't wish for a new world, he wished for world peace. So he gets world peace, and not anything that isn't world peace.

>>97616535
Because that's what story-telling is. If you just want to give players everything they want with no interesting story hooks, just give them a blowjob under the table and stop pretending to be a campaign writer.

>>97616675
>No, it doesn't mean rolling anything up.
your players have nothing left to fight, there are no more villains, there are no more bad guys, you live in sunshine and rainbow land
theres no more point to playing with these characters, so just make up new ones and make a new world that still has conflict in it so you can keep playing the game

same reason why wishing for the BBEG to die is meant to be monkeys pawed, because it would instantly end the campaign and you now have to take a hard left turn to do something entirely different
so you wish for the BBEG to die, he gets replaced by someone even worse, and then we all get a lesson in wording your wishes correctly and we dont have to throw out the module

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>>97616535
>Just let the spell work.
But it would work

>>97616675
you know being on 4chan conditions us all to think every retarded post is bait or shitposting, but occasionally you'll read a post like this and genuinely come to think the poster is actually low functioning autistic.

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>>97616535
The gm should act as the genie. If the player has a well intentioned and thoughtful wish that isn't overly disruptive to the world, it should work. If its selfish, evil, poorly thought out or overly disruptive to their world it should be contorted.

No such spells exist in any game I've run.
>>97616750
Kek

>>97616781
That's not how Genies work. They're all fucking assholes who will bend your wish no matter how well intentioned. They're literally scam demons.

>>97616954
Not demons, but still almost always wicked. You also can't ask or compel a djinn to do anything a super powerful spirit couldn't do. Like you couldn't wish to be God. Pretty sure they're allowed to maliciously comply with impossible wishes still, though.

>>97616781
>If the player has a well intentioned and thoughtful wish that isn't overly disruptive to the world, it should work. If its selfish, evil, poorly thought out or overly disruptive to their world it should be contorted.
Genies aren't moralfags though.

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>>97616535
>just because they have a bit of control
This is where you've misinterpreted the privilege of having a Wish.

An agreement to sit at a table running D&D is unwritten consent to be subjected to whatever the DM plans or alters, thanks to Rule 0. This is the same rule which facilitates people talking about how much they enjoy D&D, only to find out few to none of their examples are present in the product named D&D, the so-called "world's greatest TTRPG". It is the rule that's cited against critics, whether valid or not, to tell them to rewrite what they don't like or to find a new group, instead of addressing the criticism and engaging in discussion about game design.
A freeform decree is a freeform decree whether for good or ill, yet when it's ill, it's always down to "you just have a shit DM" or "just find another group, and yet still when it's good, it's praises up and down for "the world's greatest TTRPG".
If the freeform decree is the responsibility of the system, then it's the responsibility of the system, and it isn't as good as people laud it. If it is the responsibility of the DM, then we should be able to discuss its faults with its design without either "HYTNPD&D" or "reeee-write what you don't like hater nazi".

As it stands, the common perspective is that good things good DMs do for their good players makes D&D good, but bad things bad DMs do to their players has nothing to do with D&D.

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>>97617052
In case you don't understand how all this relates to the thread, Rule 0 puts Wish in the same position as everything else "available" to the "players".
A Wish being granted is subject to the player's hopes, rationalization, and/or begging, just as a Wizard player hopes he doesn't run into Counterspelling foes or that his enemies don't use Legendary Resistances to ignore his spells, just as a Cleric or Paladin hopes his God is in the mood to keep supplying their powers, just as a Warlock hopes his patron doesn't fuck with him or say "no" just because the DM's "story" can't handle it, just as the fighter hopes he can find or buy the magic items he needs to not fall off mid-level, just as the ranger hopes he encounters his favored terrain and favored enemies.

The whole point is that, since Rule 0 gives the DM full power and no accountability, and the poor design choices of D&D will never see proper discussion, this thread is literally worthless, and you'd be better off joining an actual game, or making one.
Asking why people with power almost always abuse that power isn't worth a thing, asking why other people who will never be at your table do the things they do isn't worth a thing, and asking why such a thing is even in D&D in the first place isn't worth a thing.

Ah, who am I kidding? I've wasted my time with this post too, because everyone will stay entrenched in their own ways, without ever thinking about the root problems.

>>97616535
People are making those stories up for (you)s or upvotes, real games don't last long enough for wishes to be available.

>>97617052
>>97617057
Because the possibility of choices in TRPGs is limitless, then pretty much 95% of systems with a traditional asymmetric "1 GM, X players" CAN be ran wrong. If you have a system that has no chance of failure because of the philosophy and preferences of the GM, then what you have is not a TRPG but rather a rigid board game or card game of some kind.

And if you answer to this "root issue" is to share GM roles with other players, that can work for some group of individuals but not all of them, a lot of people prefer the GM to just be the final arbiteer and that's that, it's simple and straight to the point even if it comes with its own subset of possible issues. Ultimately the answer is "the GM should know what the fuck he's doing", doesn't matter how good or bad the system is, no game can be successful without that key factor.

>>97616675
>and not anything that isn't world peace
Except for all of the conditions necessary to create and maintain world peace, which will probably require some means of enforcement.

>>97616723
Wrong. He didn't wish to roll up new characters, he wished for world peace. He continues playing his current character in the current world, which is at peace.

>>97616762
Ironic.

>>97617052
Nope, spells do what they say.

>>97617645
And the wish spell explicitly states that it goes wrong if you wish for anything not listed.

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>>97616535
Firstly, because I can.
Secondly, because it’s funny.
Thirdly, it’s so they actually sit down think about what they want and the consequences of said wish instead of trying to do any such grand “gotcha!” moment or trying to outsmart the one granting them a favor.

That being said, I have once done a “give them exactly what they ask for” scenario. They basically helped a demon get their old position in Hell back, and were given a “no strings attached, whatever is possible” favor to every one that helped said demon as part of a the contract established when they agreed to help. And they all took the time to sit down and. It only think about what they wanted, they explained their intentions so that said demon wouldn’t even accidentally monkey paw it due to poor wording or carelessness. Cause most stories where wishes get the monkey paw treatment, it’s entirely due to either a) asking someone who has every reason to dislike them, or b) due to stupidity on the wisher’s part.

>>97616535
Which game system are you talking about?

>>97617613
Wrong.
All of that happens. Which is why the GM isn't interested in running a game set in a world where nothing can ever irritate anyone. There are no stories to be told there. Nothing of any dramatic value can ever happen there.
And the GM can decide to not keep a game. For ANY fucking reason. They don't even need a reason. They can just ... not run the game.
And your opinion about that is irrelevant.

>>97617613
What are we going to do in a world that is at peace? I don't want to play in a world with zero conflict.

>>97617613
And does what exactly?

World peace implies there is a force, natural or imposed, which prevents violence, physical and verbal. No threats, no intimidation, no pressuring, no starvation, no walled off communities. Peace is an extremely broad term that doesn’t just imply not swinging a sword but cooperation between individuals fairly. It’s a utopian term. How are you going to run d&d in a utopia? The entire point of the system is to overcome conflict. Unless you monkey paw it and make world peace come at the barrel of alien robot invaders that constantly monitor and kill anyone who raises their voice there is nothing left to do besides larp working as a seamstress or baker. You roll up a new character sheet so you can do something more fun in a world that didn’t end in anarchist paradise.

If you respond to this post with less than two paragraphs in rebuttal you admit you are not just a faggot, but also a nigger, and concede that your opinion is actually dogshit and so you’re just saying something you don’t really believe.

>>97617784
World peace sessions can be fun if you played a year+ worth of sessions to get to that point, an epilogue of sorts just focused on SoL.

>>97617785
Take it up with the guy who wished for peace, bucko. Go tell a judge you weren't driving, you were "traveling". Words aren't magic and it gives me great pleasure to ignore your very silly demands.

>>97616535
It is generally narratively unsatisfactory to get everything you want

>>97617148
Nope.

>>97617784
>world is at peace for about 30 seconds
>then goes back to war again because the causes for it are still there

>>97616535
For fun.

>>97617741
Why don't you want them to outsmart the genie, control freak?

>>97617769
Wrong. What I said happens, and nothing you said happens.

>>97617784
who told you that you have a say in the matter?

>>97617785
Nah I win and you lose lol

>>97618506
Nah.

>>97618534
Honestly, just because they do it in the most boring ways possible, like “I wish for infinite wishes” or “I wish for multiple genies”. I can live with them outsmarting the wish giver, but they rarely ever do it in a fun way. They do it in a control freak “I’ll throw a fucking tantrum if you outsmart my wish that a five year old could see the flaws of” way.

>>97618553
>>97618567
>>97618572
>>97618575
best poster on tg rn

>>97616535
Because phb literally says it works this way if you wish for something non-standard? And it says it since 1e?

>>97616535
If the player casts a Wish spell, they get what they wish for. If they rub a genie lamp and a blue dude pops out and starts negotiations, that's a whole different animal. Context is important.

>>97618251
I’m not sure if you’re smart enough to realize how ironic your statement is

>>97618828
Read the Wish spell's description carefully...

>>97618553
You're not the GM. I am. And you are not welcome back in this venue. Remove yourself before the police arrive because you're trespassing currently. Whoever is next in line may now take your seat and begin rolling their character.

>>97616535
I'm planning to give my players (in Pathfinder) a cursed yeti's paw, that will give them three wishes, with the only caveat being that the wishes must be Evil. It'll be interesting to see what they come up with.

>>97619315
I wish my character rapes your character.

>>97619364
Why do you have to wish for that? Why don't you just... do it?

>>97619364
I wish his character rapes your character back.

>>97619315
I would wish everyone on this board was dead but that would be neutral at worst.

It should happen because it's funny and creates drama.

>>97618251
>Take it up with the guy who wished for peace,
wishing for world peace is such a vague and open-ended term that it would actually be amazing if the wish granter had the same concept of peace as the wisher

even leaving out deliberately malicious genies who would rub their hands with glee at the sheer latitude they have been given to grant peace, perhaps by granting everyone nuclear missiles to create a very fragile peace that could end at any second
even a benevolent genie could simply not understand human agency and geas everyone on the planet to not wage war or inflict violence on everyone

>>97618579
lol control freak

>>97618594
lmao seething

>>97619113
I'll kill you in one punch and there's no amount of police that will be able to stop me :)

>>97621071
Not subjective.

>>97621523
Roll for it then. I'll warn you my Ac

>>97621519
Worthless post

>>97617616
>no u

>>97617613
Everyone is now dead, therefore the world is at peace. Game over, you lost, you can go home now.

>>97622195
He didn't wish for everyone to be dead, he wished for world peace

>>97622369
>He didn't wish for everyone to be dead
he should have specified that in the wish

>he wished for world peace
if peace is defined as a lack of war, then a lack of any living beings would ensure peace

>>97616675
Through the unimpedable power of entropy we will all find peace eventually.

I hope you come to understand the difference between what you said, and what you intended to say.

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>original "the monkey's paw" story
>pure horror
>the wish is not "interpreted" or "bent," it is horrifically corrupted in an unsubtle and direct fashion in order to punish the wisher for changing fate
>the man's second wish is so horrifyingly executed that his final wish is to simply end it, and this results in no further punishment

>every other "monkey's paw"
>"lol, you asked for a thousand gold pieces, but you didn't say how big, so here's a thousand gold atoms! ...uh... And since they're appearing out of nowhere, they're displacing other atoms at the speed of light, creating a chain reaction of energy that results in the surrounding temperature rising thousands of degrees, killing you instantly!"
That's not horror, that's just being a lame dick.

>>97622604
>That's not horror, that's just being a lame dick
wishing for your son to come back and then potentially summoning a zombie is horror
wishing for a ton of gold and then beign crushed under a ton of gold coins is black comedy

choosing to get 200 dollars in workers comp instead of magicking up 200 dollars from thin air or having someone win a scratch card is in fact creative interpretation of a wish

>>97622604
A game is a battle of wits, not an attempt to punish for the sake of punishing. Of course the second interpretation in much more fun.

>>97622604
>uh... And since they're appearing out of nowhere, they're displacing other atoms at the speed of light, creating a chain reaction of energy that results in the surrounding temperature rising thousands of degrees, killing you instantly!"
99.99999999% of space is empty space, so it is absurdly, comically impossible that 1.000 atoms appearing anywhere will even touch any other atom.

There are approximately 10^25 atoms of oxygen in a cubic meter of air at standard temperature and pressure. 1000 atoms is such a meaningless amount that it will have zero (0) impact on anything.

>>97622625
Corrupting a wish isn't a battle. There's no wish that can't be corrupted, especially by a being that can apparently cause anything to happen.

Even a thousand page contract written and reviewed by a team of lawyers can still always be maliciously interpreted in some contrived fashion, like "oh, the section where you stipulated that the wish's terms would follow your personal definitions rather than that of the wish granter's did not specify at what point in the life of the entity known hereafter as "you" would his definitions be intepreted, allowing me, the party known as the wish granter, to select the personal definitions of these terms at the time "you" were an infant, rendering your wish a garbled mess... and also you die."

In any scenario where you're arguing against someone performing the roles of both lawyer AND judge, there's no way to win, because no matter how dumb their argument is they'll still just say they're right.

>>97622669
>Even a thousand page contract written and reviewed by a team of lawyers can still always be maliciously interpreted in some contrived fashion,
it could, but its a lot harder and takes a lot more effort to find a loophole

while an actively malicious genie might be able to defeat any contract shown its way, a genie thats benevolent but autistic might genuinely think that turning you into an adamantine statue to become immortal is a genuinely good idea

while being careful with your words wouldnt necessarily stop an evil genie it will at least clarify things with a clueless one

>>97622669
You are not trying to make the wish uncorraptable, the point is to corrupt it in a smart way instead of just uhhh it is done, but it sucks because uhhh it just does ok.
The wish is a challenge for dm to come up with something to fuck with a player. And making it unsubtle and direct defeats the point.

>>97622656
Lets not throw around zero(0) too liberally, but otherwise completely agree.

>>97622604
To be fair, most wish granters are dicks. Fae don’t usually think like humans and a boon to them is often a curse to any reasonable being. Djinn become ultra pissed if they’re trapped in the first place, and are often released in a state of being ready to take out all their frustration on the next human they meet. And devils are meant to tempt people and propagate conditions that let them continue to screw with humans for either gain or entertainment. And that’s for the guys who have the power to warp reality. Most djinn back in the day didn’t, so while they were powerful, they had to get creative to actually fulfill some of the more difficult orders such as plundering some else’s vaults to make you rich or physically hauling an existing castle to you if you demanded one.

>>97622656
Nature abhors a vaccuum.

The idea of "empty space" is not as simple as "well, the core of the atom is incredibly small compared to the electron cloud that orbits it, so I can squeeze a whole bunch of atoms cores in that space" or "the air pressure in this place is quite low in regards to the number of molecules by volume, so a few molecules spontaneously appearing would result in only a neglible increase in air pressure."

Every atom consists of a number of fields that extend well beyond its nucleus, with some of them (such as gravity) literally extending to the edge of the universe (though thankfully having only an infinitesimal impact at even an infitesimally small fraction of that distance). An atom spontaneously appearing out of nowhere would be essentially breaking too many laws of physics to even begin to discuss because "spontaneously" interepreted as happening with absolutely zero delay would mean all the surrounding fields affected by the introduction of a new atom would be dealing with infinities and result in possibly the annihilation of the entire universe. Capping it at the speed of light still means an incredible high amount of energy as everything in its vicinity has to adjust at that speed as well, with potential chain reactions coming from such incredible energies that are more than enough to rip binding forces apart. A near-spontaneous sudden appearance of an atom in a universe not intended for it could lead to incomprehensibly disastrous consequences.

There's actually no such thing as "empty space". The entire universe is really just a set of endlessly overlapping fields, endlessly adjusting from influences with each other. It's why, despite you being technically 99.9999999% "empty space" and so is the chair you're sitting on, you're not phasing through each other.

>>97622695
The corruption is simple and direct, not the granting of the wish.

There is no "lawyering" taking place. The man asks for 200 pounds, and his son is killed in an accident and he recieves 200 pounds in compensation. The paw is more focused on "the worst possible thing happening" moreso than getting the man his 200 quid, which is almost an afterthought.

Most of the horror involved comes afterwards, the wish made in desperation despite knowing the curse. What makes the Monkey's Paw story so good is that the Paw is sinister, but brutal once the wish is made. The mistake is not in the wording of the wish, it's in making the wish in the first place.

>>97622621
Killing someone's kid because they asked you for some cash is pretty direct. I don't think he's gonna walk away from that thinking "Oh darn, I really should have asked for the cash AND for my son to not totally beef it. Well, lesson learned."

>>97616954
>>97617036
>these anons don't understand the place of the wicked in both the most popular and only form of genie they have ever known
>also don't understand the parallels between the gm being god and genies being his creation to test men
Sad.

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>>97617101
You play games for sure, let no one accuse you otherwise

>>97616535
>Why I see so many situations of a DM trying to pull a monkey paw's situation with Wish?
Where are you seeing these? Nobody tells stories anymore.

Anyway, long ago I created a flexible analog for a direct relationship between the greedy ambition of the wish and how Monkey's Paw it goes.

>They wish for an amazing sword
They get a fucking AMAZING sword.

>They wish for one of best, most famous swords in existence
The genie teleports in front of an evil world leader, apologizes, and explains that they're stealing the sword to give to the wisher. And then gives the ruler the wisher's exact location before taking the sword.

>They wish for the most powerful sword in existence
Full tilt Monkey's Paw. Maybe the cursed sword of an Eldritch God the size of a house that immediately starts spawning horrors. It varies.

If they're generous wishes but insanely difficult, like world peace, then the entire world nods off for a few second nap or something.

Generally I would try to work with it to maximize fun or FUN, in the Dwarf Fortress sense.

>>97616675
>So he gets world peace, and not anything that isn't world peace.
Only if he wished for "world peace and no other changes that aren't world peace".
Exact careful phrasing, lad.

>>97616954
>That's not how Genies work. They're all fucking assholes
>>97617036
>Genies aren't moralfags though
I play genies as individuals just fulfilling wish as best they can with the words used. But people are idiots and don't have any idea how hard it is to grant huge wishes.

I liked the genie on X Files. She was basically bored with it. Guy wishes to be invisible? Great. Didn't wish to be able to turn invisible and visible at will. World peace? No people in the world. Shrug.

>>97621947
Ironic.

>>97622455
Nah.

>>97622512
You lose.

bump

>>97624240
sorry, you have to be specific when you wish for something or else you might not get what you want
or worse, you get exactly what you want

>>97622977
the direct, and probably intentional, interpretation would be to literally create money out of thin air and then place directly on the table
taking a roundabout approach by killing someone first falls under creative wish interpretation that relies heavily on "you never said i couldnt" logic

>>97622814
Nature doesn't abhor a vacuum.

>>97623003
>the wicked
But fucking up "evil" wishes and making sure "good" wishes work makes the genie anything but wicked

>>97623929
No, he gets what I say he gets, and nothing else. Do not contradict me.

>>97623964
No people, no peace. Wish wasn't granted.

>>97622512
>Through the unimpedable power of entropy we will all find peace eventually.
Peace and death meaning the same thing, of course

>>97627013
it actually does
you literally cant have nothing in a space because particles will spontaneously create themselves should a space become empty enough

even if you somehow removed every atom, every photon, every wave, and every particle
virtual particles and anti-particles will spontaneously create themselves and destroy themselves, populating the space with something rather than nothing

>>97627023
NTA
you love this song and dance don't you? how does it feel to have whatever retardation you have?

>>97626948
No, I don't have to be anything in particular. I am the absolute god of all fiction, and as such wishes work exactly in the way that I want them to, and not in any other way.

>>97627032
It actually doesn't, hope this helps.

>>97627030
>No people, no peace
if you dont define peace, then the wish granter can use whatever definition of peace it desires
if they decide peace simply means a lack of war, then no war can occur without people
since you didnt specify a definition of peace that included people, thats on you

the wish granter is also the one who decides what counts as granted or not, since its his magic powers that are doing the work
so you cant retro-actively undo a wish if it wasnt to your liking unless the wish granter agrees that a mistake was made

>>97627035
How does it feel to be wrong and inferior?

>>97627041
>It actually doesn't,
nature abhors a vaccuum so much it will literally create particles from nothing to prevent it from existing
you literally, by the laws of physics, cannot have a space of nothing because nature will fill it up anyways

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>>97627047
liberating I don't have to polices /tg/ and give people the "truth of rpgs"
i'll accept your next response as your final warning to me and leave

>>97616954
the most famous genie of all, from disneys aladdin, is actually a totally benevolent genie

the very idea of twisting a wish simply does not occur to him
when aladdin was baiting jafar into turning into a genie himself, the genie doesnt catch on and just assumes that its a straightforward wish

rather amusingly, he gives aladdin a freebie at the start after he was fooled, implying that he decides when his powers count as a wish or not
but later he saves aladdin even without explicit permission from aladdin but chooses to count that wish as granted, since he is the one who decides what is and isnt granted, this means he didnt make it a freebie solely out of principle

>>97627051
Nah.

>>97627061
Nope, you're not going anywhere. Pinkertons already have your house surrounded.

>>97627267
if a perfect vaccuum literally cannot exist, you better have a good reason to say that nature somehow doesnt abhor it

>>97616535
If players get exactly what they expect everytime then wishes are too powerful to given frequently to characters not yet at the apex of their career. If the wish can bite the careless player in the arse it can be given out more frequently and seperates the wheat from the chaff. The skilled thinker and good player are able to utilise the wish as intended but the greedy smallminded player is punished by his own hubris.

In short: it's more interesting and make for a better game.

>>97627270
fair enough, you got me then. how will i ever escape?

>>97627030
>No people, no peace. Wish wasn't granted.
The wisher, Fox Mulder, still existed. Very peaceful but not what he wanted.

However if you wished to be contrarian, you were instead pointless. So there's an ungranted wish for you.

>>97616535
Firstly, the Wish is carried out by a genie or activated by a magic item in almost every case, not by the omnipotent creator-god of the universe. That puts some obvious limits on the potential effects. The same goes for the improbable case of the PC being a high enough level magic-user to cast it himself: he's literally pulling the means to power the spell from his own body and soul. (At least in 1e, you become temporarily crippled from casting the spell, for a reason.)

Secondly, the spell is simply better at the table if it does exactly what you ask for instead of what you meant, like computer code.

Thirdly, fpbp: >>97616562

Surprisingly, the best use of Wish spells is a get out of jail free. Its not to be MORE POWERFUL, its to be Less Dead. The GM is far more willing to throw you a bone than he is a steak dinner.

>>97627571
Nah you lose

>>97629027
Interdasting... you are trying to "win" on 4chan and think I am a loser?

I'm just trying to discuss ttrpg concepts bro. Keep your trophy.

>>97630218
Why the hell are you feeding an obvious troll?

>>97616675
this guy is STILL seething about being so retarded.

>>97630755
yeah you are :)

>>97630251
Understandable mistake but if you pay careful attention, not only was I not "feeding" but my post wouldn't really be referred to with present tense verbs at all.

>>97631593
Yes you were, retard.

>>97634462
I'm not certain what you're hoping to gain from arguing this point as a pointless argument against the perceived continuation of a different pointless argument seems counterproductive.
But good luck with whatever it is you're doing.

>>97635503
You were feeding the troll. Stop arguing.

>>97616535
I just always roll with some staple rules

1. Wishes can't be stronger than the granter/caster
2. Can't influence free will.
3. No fucking with time
4. No wishing for more wishes

A lot of types of granter will have their own preferences when it comes to granting them. Casting a wish raw is dangerous, and prone to the sorts of overly literal mishaps you could imagine. It is almost always better to first create some form of wish granter, to interpret your wish, which is why this sort of thing happens.

>>97616535
>Why I see so many situations of a DM trying to pull a monkey paw's situation with Wish?

READ THE FUCKING WISH SPELL YOU DOLT!

IT REQUIRES A MONKEY PAW IF YOU ARE TOO GREEDY!

https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/2619213-wish?srsltid=AfmBOooXGmdHOszu6qYjeQdeAUaveNsIaraB8dXdXVehchqbriZwl6nZ

Fucking dumbass...

even level 9 spells have limits. and you attempt to ABUSE these limits, you will be abused in turn.

>>97639158
The wish spell has limits.

As much as you don't want to realize, the wish spell has LIMITS.

if you WISH to be a god, the wish spell HAS to attempt to grant this wish, and you will be transformed into a dead stone island on the astral plane.

if you wish for a weapon to slay gods, you will be fed to the tourrasque, to join with it.

If you wish for infinite wealth, you will be transported to a completely unexplored and unmined part of the elemental plane of Earth, and suffocate to death.

If you wish for ultimate power, you will be FED TO THE SKULL THRONE

If you wish to undo a past event, you will be FLUNG INTO A DYING UNIVERSE.

If you wish for love, you *WILL BE FED TO SLAANESH*

Wish is not omnipotent....

it is potent. but not omni-potent.

if you abuse it, it WILL abuse you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM0teS7PFMo

>>97639180
FYI, the WISH spell can only duplicate 8th level spells or below.

Take the time, have patience, do it yourself.

Id like to thank my family for teaching me how to not trust anyone at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0BerpDmVSE

>>97639197
>FYI, the WISH spell can only duplicate 8th level spells or below.
duplicating spells is the only thing you can do safely without risk of monkeys paw and without the STR penalty
you can still wish to replicate a 9th level spell, but this comes with the multi-day penalty, rolling the 1/3 chance to lose wish forever, and the possibility of meteor swarm hitting your home village hundreds of miles away because you forgot to designate a target

>>97639180
>transformed into a dead stone island on the astral plane.
Fine.

>fed to the tourrasque, to join with it.
Nah. Having the tarrasque teleported to PC might be alright.

>transported to a completely unexplored and unmined part of the elemental plane of Earth, and suffocate to death.
Perfect.

>FED TO THE SKULL THRONE
Terrible. Please stop huffing WH40K

>FLUNG INTO A DYING UNIVERSE.
Solid if you mean like a pruned timeline.

>FED TO SLAANESH
Not familiar enough with Slaanesh to know if this actually counts as "love". But a similar concept would be fine.
There was a canabal sentient plant that was very loving and sweet who was extremely caring, pleasurable, and grateful to the people she ate. Genuinely Best Girl.

Decent Monkey Pawing but you're swinging a little too hard and wild.

>>97639158
nah it does whatever I want it to with no drawbacks

>>97639180
why was the spell researched if it can't actually do anything the caster would want it to do?

>>97639158
>>97639180
One of its safe uses is create a magic item with no gp limit. A ring of three wishes is a magic item. A wish cast as a spell like ability ignores component and xp cost.

4E added the wish spell so late intro he game in a splatbook (Dungeon Survival Guide) that it said it was ok to give the players whatever they wanted with a favourable interpretation because they were unlikely to ever come across it except if the DM had put it there.