>>97617967
who gives a fuck, their art has always been trash

>Sad
Doesn't bother me at all

>>97617967
This isn't twitter, tranny. There is no dysfunctional pro-artist crusade going on here, artists fucking suck and deserve no sympathy you dumb fuck.

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speaking of ai card art i'm always surprised when i see WIP/process images for hearthstone cards. They're so fucking horrible (and have been for years) that they should just cut out the middleman and go full AI. Literally would be an improvement.

pic not related ofc, i always actually thought mtg art was good, some of the lands are legitimately beautiful

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>>97617971
meanwhile

>>97617967
is that from standard too or mtga only

anyway, wouldnt be surprised
wizards are trash

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>>97617971
wip art is based. genuinely this is the wrong hobby for you, that or you should play more than trash like MTG

>>97617967
how can you tell?

>>97617974
i like WIP as much as the next person, to clarify the hearthstone art is so shitty that I'm surprised to be reminded it *isn't* AI

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>>97617967
Hasn't this happened at least 2 other times, and both times they said it wouldn't happen again? I respect the hussle, they know the fans won't remember past a year kek

>>97617971
One of my fav AI artists used to(or still does idk) make dragon pics like that. They were so cool.

Don't they have enough fags to do gay illustrations?

>>97617967
Feels like they have completely shit the bed with MTG, theyve made so many goofy sets in rapid succession that it makes me wonder if theyre trying to tank the IP and do a runner when they say "were not making any more" which would automatically make every card more valuable. The game itself has no consistency and is fucked now.

>>97617970
>wa wa wa wa consumes art every day

>>97617967
>he someone missed the memo when this happened like 10+ times already
They'll sweep it under the rug like always. The first set where this first happened was Wilds of Eldraine

jannies should move the recurring upset about the AI general to /vg/

>>97617967
What was the outcome of the shareholder lawsuit against Hasbro for shirking their fiduciary duty by destroying MtG?

>>97617982
nigger

>>97617974
is windmill strike a good card? just waiting multiple turns to gain +50% damage seems bad compared to cycling through your deck.

>>97617982
sucks (for you) that you're not a jany

>>97617985
It's literally infinite value you fucking retard

>>97617979
>fucked now
>now

>>97617987
assuming you wait infinitely? who has the time for that?

>>97617967
Doesn't shock me. Most of the TMNT cards look ai generated.

>>97617985
Retain doesn't prevent you from drawing cards unless you're at the max hand size. Chances are that you have no energy/wrath to use windmill strike initially when you draw it anyway. It's fucking good.

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>MTG is now a trash filled kitchen sink of crossover slop stacked to the celiing
>for some reasons there is still a desire in my soul to collect the Final Fantasy set (in Japanese) just because the art actually looks cool.

>>97617974
If you keep it in the hand, it's effectively 4 damage per turn. That's the same as a shiv, so it's like playing Infinite Blades. Though keeping it in hand isn't a totally neutral proposition since Watcher tends to have hand clog issues.
After 4 turns in hand (an eternity for Watcher), it's now equal to Sands of Time but costs 2 instead of 0.

>>97617967
>artifact
>colored mana
>colored card
I puked a little.

>>97617988
I havent played in like 10 years, it use to be fine. It seems like theyre a rapid firing new sets out and they look like jokes, and then you see that they are actually considered compatible and part of everyones decks.

MTG use to be a setting, now its the equivelent of Fortnite in card game form.

>>97617967
I would take AI art over the "real" art they made for LoTR.
Die in a fire.

>>97617985
It's probably Watcher's worst card besides the meme rares.

A lot of the TNMT set art is disgustingly awful, there is no way anyone with a sound mind would sign off and pay anyone for it.

>>97617970
kill yourself you AIjeet menace

>>97617967
it's so over xisters

Their art has been generic artstation trash for over a decade

How do you genuinely tell this is AI? The way the guacamole is distributed on the pizza & the fact that the rat is weirdly half burried in it is weird for sure

>>97617992
>>for some reasons there is still a desire in my soul to collect the Final Fantasy set
Goyslave.

SO IS NO ONE GOING TO FUCK THAT RAT?

>>97618002
The one thing that seems to be immediately obvious is that the box makes no fucking sense but that could also be the artist being a fucking retard

>>97617999
>Jeets calling people not them jeets despite the jeets being the most prolific anti-AI retards
What the fuck is actually wrong with you dysfunctional cunts?

>>97617980
Exactly, so I'm not just talking out of my ass when I say artists are fucking insufferable and deserve no sympathy, now fuck off, dog.

>>97618006
>jeets being the most prolific anti-AI retards
Well that's just not true at all, the majority of people both using and developing ai are jeets.

>>97617967
What the fuck is the power level of this, holy fuck.

>>97618008
White people develop AI
Jeets are getting replaced by AI the most

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>>97617989
>who has the time for that?
Watcher? The funnest Watcher deck I ever made involved multiple Vaults and Sands of Time.

>>97618009
I'm not a magic player, but is untapping a creature during combat possible in a way which allows that creature to attack again? If not then this is just a +2/+2 which lets you waste mana on healing yourself if you ever need it. It doesn't sound good to me.

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>>97618010
Haha okay bro, sure.

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>>97617994
Does this also make you puke?

>>97618012
there is no second attack phase so no you can't attack again unless you have some combo running. but untapping allow you to reuse a tap skill so there is definitely some potential there. I assume the +2/+2 can help by survivin the damages you took .

>>97618012
You can only attack once regardless of whether a creature is tapped or untapped. But when your opponent attacks you can untap AND pump one of your creatures to kill theirs with by blocking it. And that's before getting into questions like "why the fuck does it have flash?", or its interactions with tap abilities, or the fact that artifacts interact positively with fucking everything these days. AND it can be sacrificed to gain life on the same turn it enters, and JUST to top it off it can target your opponent's creatures too to enable even more interactions.

The fact that this card is a common makes me want to fucking vomit. One big reason I stopped playing Magic was that cards were just too fucking tiresome to play with. Too many words, too many abilities, too many things to learn and remember.

>>97618013
I accept your concession.

>>97618011
I guess I play it differently then. for me the watcher is a class where I constantly shit out my hand and cycle through my deck due to the absurd mana gain and draw power it has. and in the ideal case scenario I just go infinite.
retaining a 2-cost damage card in my hand never feels good because I constantly draw into my hand limit. a 2-mana deal 11-23 damage is simply worse than drawing better cards during the course of 2-4 turns.

>>97618017
You accept deez nuts in yo mouth.

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>>97617967
>guac and marshmallow pizza
This bothers me way more than AI usage

The fuck happened to MTG? When did it become this normieslop full of jokes and modern references that doesnt even pretend to be a serious fantasy setting?

Admittedly last time I played MTG was during the 7th edition, but what the fuck

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>>97617968
>their art has always been trash
bait used to be believable
unless you meant specifically art on arena, then yeah. Nu-mtg art is dogshit

>>97618016
>But when your opponent attacks you can untap AND pump one of your creatures to kill theirs with by blocking it
Spells like that have been around since 2005 or so.
>"why the fuck does it have flash"
Because then you can uptap and block. It's called a combat trick.

>>97618020
It's a TMNT reference. The turtles would always have the most wacky and disgusting pizza orders, so the pizza cards reflect that

i genuinely wonder how people are still playing MtG if you didn't get on boarded from UB as an NPC.

>>97618020
around 2019 if I recall
I know people have been claiming that anything they don't like is "the cancer killing magic" ever since like, the fucking stack in 6th edition, but I really feel like the 1-2 punch of universes beyond and FIRE design dealt a blow that the game simply can never recover from

>>97618023
>a TMNT reference
Why the fuck would there be anything related to ninja turtles in MTG? Lmao

>>97618026
Because that's what this set is about

Really? Nobody is going to point out that this artist has been around for far longer than AI was worth using and has had a consistent style all the way? It isn't AI for fucks sake.

>>97618024
Because it's still the best card game out there. Yeah the art on the cards is kinda cringe nowadays but it still plays the same, so i don't really care

>>97618025
FIRE and collector boxes were the beginning of the end for me.
UB secret lair was permissible but cringey, but making whole sets was the point where i jumped off the train and haven't missed it.

>>97618015
>>97618016
Fair, I guess I didn't value untapping as much and I have no context of the cards centering around artifacts. But assuming it didn't untap, a 1 mana +2/+2 "instant" that costs 2 mana to heal later on doesn't seem that good. It just seems like "a fine value card, but not really something an average green deck would play". I guess the untapping would help improve certain combos and from what I've heard green has an insane amount of ramp nowadays.
(Again, speaking as someone who doesn't play magic and just randomly stumbles upon posts or videos related to it)

>>97618026
MTG had crossovers for a long time. I first learned about this when someone randomly posted My Little Pony cards and I accused the person of being autistic for creating OC MLP cards in a different game and writing "this card gives you mana based on the colors of the toy you place next to it". Turned out those were real.

>>97618028
Anon, no one in these threads actually plays the game, they're just onlookers or ragebait tourists

>>97618020
It was Avengers that mindbroke WotC. Somewhere between seeing the success of the movies in the run up to Endgame and all of WotC's employees being millennial manchildren who liked Avengers themselves, they spent a few years in the run up to Endgame trying to set up their own really shitty Endgame within the Magic universe with a set called War of the Spark. Don't believe me?

>Avengers: Endgame release date
April 26, 2019
>War of the Spark release date
May 3, 2019

The literal fucking weekend after. And the worst part? War of the Spark was a runaway success financially. It completely destroyed the last shred of fun the game had left (see: Modern) with broken unfun cards, and showed WotC that they may as well just ape pop culture because millennial losers care more about that than they do the Magic universe.

>>97618031
>I've heard green has an insane amount of ramp nowadays.
You've been able to make mono-green infinite mana elf decks since 1999.

>>97618033
Counterpoint: The War of the Spark trailer has more soul than every MCU movie combined

https://youtu.be/b5W9t62t10I?si=5Qq6XWerNFTxDZYV

>>97617967
I would be more concerned about the blatant rigging if I was still playing Arena

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>>97618031
>a 1 mana +2/+2 "instant" that costs 2 mana to heal later on doesn't seem that good
As an artifact that would still be extremely good in drafts provided there were cards that interacted well with artifacts in the set. You underestimate the strength of having an extra thing lying around on the battlefield.

>>97618008
What about the Japanese?

>>97618028
yeah this thread sent me on a little research dive
the art isn't AI, it's just foul. so don't worry a real person wasted their efforts and was paid for it. great

>>97618021
Why does that devil have fat stacked titties.

>>97618035
that and the eldraine promo vid were fucking so sick.

last cool thing WoTC has done.

Mechanically is mtg still good?
I only care about draft

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>>97618042
No. Every card is word soup. This card used to be a joke because it had too many words. It hasn't held the record for most words on a card in fucking years at this point.

>>97618042
Yes, it's fantastic

>>97618042
Draft is always a ton of fun, I can't think of a moment in magic where it's been bad because it always bypasses meta fuckery

>>97618045
Its funny how you can go on mtga, play constructed with a mid deck, or a meta deck thats just missing a few key cards, do meh, that go to draft and whoop some ass, game after game.
Draft is were the skilled players go to just whoop some ass.
Not saying you can't get screwed over by lack of bombs, removal or whatever but the skill ceiling is a billion times higher.

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>>97618043
>his or her
My heart

>>97618046
Constructed players are the lowliest of the low, 99% of em copy and paste a deck from a website, and can't logically evaluate cards in a draft setting.

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>>97617967
Every other card in TMT was accused of AI because of weird cheese textures and weird pizza placements.

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>>97617968
I can think of great MTG art as recent as 2022 and I probably haven't played it much since years before that

>>97618048
Keyforge was the funniest shit. They were prebuilt randomised unique decks with unique card backs and names so you couldn't change cards without your opponent knowing. All the Magic players who are used to winning because they bought the best cards refused to play the game how it was meant to be played because it meant they couldn't win via money. You were meant to play a Bo3, first with your own deck, then with your opponent's deck, then your bid for the better deck via handicap levels. Whoever was better at evaluating decks would have the better chance of winning. But Magic players refused to do it and just wanted regular Bo3s with their deck, at which point they started buying shit tons of decks to try and find a good one.

Constructed players truly are an abomination.

>>97618034
Amazing lmao. But I assume that has a lot to do with the early overpowered cards which got banned at some point.

>>97618037
>You underestimate the strength of having an extra thing lying around on the battlefield.
I guess so. I've played a ton of card games in past and stat bonuses were often a mid or bad effect even if they're cheap and instant. My biggest time sink was YGO where a card could literally double your stats and it wouldn't be good even 10-20 years ago before the game became infinite combo slop and was closer in tempo to current MTG and HearthStone. Simply because of how accessible and cheap removal is in YGO. For example, there I'd rather play a "guaranteed kill" battle-trick like Sakuretsu Armor or Dimensional Prison instead of a "Your monster gains +1000 ATK and potentially counter-kills the attacker and turns into a beatstick on the board".

I was thinking it would be the same in MTG. I just assumed you'd rather play a 1-cost instant that says "Kill the attacking creature" or "Put a 0/-3 onto a creature", and if everyone is playing removal then the stats don't matter as much when blocking so a self-buff wouldn't be as good. That was my thought process.

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>>97618052
Don't get me wrong the pizza card isn't "good", it's just ridiculous for a common. One mana removal exists, the problem being that it never should've existed because it made creatures unplayable. WotC responded to this by printing more and more value and abilities on creatures which led us in part to the word soup you see on new cards.

This card is possibly the most broken thing WotC ever printed because its influence on future card design has been catastrophic. How can you play a creature like Knight of the Reliquary when it can be removed for a single mana having achieved absolutely nothing?

>>97617992
I mean final fantasy is fairly close in aesthetic to the actual setting, more so than some recent in universe sets which I fear may have given wizards a false idea of how much people would support the wackier crossovers being in standard (if I remember right there was one other crossover in standard i'm forgetting? but as the first one the impact probably wouldn't show so much)

>>97618054
It is quite funny how the best received UB sets so far have been the ones that fit quite nicely in MTG's aesthetic. Final Fantasy, Avatar and LOTR could very well be planes within MTG, whereas Spiderman and TMNT...well.

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>>97618004
I only fuck rat drawings lovingly crafted by hand thank you very much

>>97618051
I remember that event haha. The problem is a lot worse than prize competitors, because atleast they're playing for money, not for fun, my issue is when 95% of the mtg community partakes in constructed game modes were they just want to Google top meta decks and win.
I've played nearly 400 games of commander on xmage and everyone just wants to stomp and bring edh decks far beyond the agreed upon power levels.
I exclusively play draft now.

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I'm not gonna lie, all the Turtles in time references tickle me

>>97618026
Because of business relations with Viacom

>>97617972
HS still exists?

>>97618042
It reliant on the online game engine to know the rules instead of you, that's why it's bloated and obsessed with ref and collabs that artificially creates a speculation market for the otherwise unplayable paper cards

>>97618031
Worth noting the MLP crossover was years before any other crossover, just a fun little set of half a dozen cards you could buy you weren't supposed to actually use anywhere from another franchise within the same company, then they started on other little mini products like that but with licenses from outside hasbro, then it was prebuilt commander decks, then it was straight up full crossover sets in standard
Turns out the slippery slope is very real.

>>97618060
Regrettably. Worst thing to ever happen to card games was HS becoming popular

>>97617967
source?
haven’t seen any accusations its ai

>>97618020
The spiderman one had some street vendor bagel.

>>97618064
>source?
His ass, see >>97618049

>>97617970
>Now pay the 20 dollar card booster pack price and shut up! MTG has to pay their arti-

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Why can't just mtgfags admit that art for recent sets is just putrid dogshit?

Videogames?
>>>/tg/

>>97618069
OP said MTG Arena so we can magically talk about card games here now.

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>>97618068
Because it isn't

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>Alesha, Who Complains About AI

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>>97618071

Everything wrong with modern mtg can be traced to the emergence of edh
Fuck edh “players” im at the point I don’t event blame hashbro anymore since edh “players” just slurp slop up day after day

>>97618009
>Shitty giant growth with untap plus a food token
Couldn't be very high, even in like 2009

>>97618039
I wouldn't be surprised if a wotc Fascist Art Director sketched up some concept with AI, gave it to the artist, and then forced them to adher to it too much so the painter just said fuck it and gave them exactly what they asked for.

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>>97618040
Because Foglio has always been based.

>>97618005
perspective is hard, anon

>>97618012
Remind me, can you use instants/flash to untap after opponent declares attackers but before you declare blockers? Adding a creature can really fuck combat for the opponent.

>>97617967
Worse, it's not AI
So people deliberately made art look extremely shitty

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>>97618077
fuck I love the foglios, their art has SOUL

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>>97618068
reddit already admits the art in tmnt is horrible

>>97618074
EDH players don’t understand that they’re playing a board game with Magic cards instead of actual Magic.
I hate it too. Locals have gone the way of the dinosaur, but everyone has a friend group with their own ban list for the same 4 people every week

>>97618048
>Competitive players want to win
That’s kind of how it works. Why would I bother with a pile of incoherent jank in Modern over what is currently best?
Same shit in YGO btw. Magic is not unique for having a meta game

you can see how the low IQ /v/edittor contrarians ITT wanna be pro AI just because "the other side" (made up) is anti AI kek

>>97618085
cool buzzwords but no one is talking about AI ITT anymore, ragebait tourist-kun

>>97618073
>Can immediately have a 5/5 after playing this if you fetch and Thoughtscour yourself
It’d be cool if this card could bring GDS back to viability, but sadly it’s not

>>97617971
heartsones issue is that the directors are all homosexuals and nasty women
the shitty artstyle comes from that not from the technique used

>>97617992
The art only looks cool on collectors editions cards. The art of the standard cards was just OK.
You would be spending loads.

>>97617967
>guac
>no guac, only sliced avocado on SOME of the pizza

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>>97617968
Apologize to him this instant!

>>97618049
>she thinks Ai can't do any of this

>all x has always been le dogshit
Hello, Reddit!

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>>97617968
Big bait

AI is just a tool.
Why can't artists just use it to trace things they like/use it as an inspiration?

>>97617970
Artists > billionaires and jeets

Only brownoids would disagree

>>97618095
Same reason you don't trace real life, it gives subpar results compared to just being skilled

>>97618095
because normies don't know or understand how art actually works and all the permanently online groups scream and shout and piss and shit themselves going on about how it's all stolen low effort slop and that it's impossible to actually have any sort of creative control over.

>>97618056
Hot. Got more?

>>97618083
constructed has gone to shit due to cards being designed to cater to edh "players" and will probably never recover
limited is mostly still fun, no clue about local attendance i only play arena

>>97618048
pretty much hit the nail on the head
played cube with a bunch of edh only friends and they were bitching the whole time about not knowing how to draft even after some pointers and a few rounds of drafting, and here i though edh "players" were supposed to be good at making decks but i guess its all just netdecking

>>97617987
must be nice, never touching an ascension at all

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>>97617998
Surely a mixture of modern memes and 80s nostalgia is the winning play?

>>97618103
i dont care about the comic shit but the cards referencing turtles in time are pretty cool

i am goycattle, yes

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make april white again

>>97618104
>i dont care about the comic shit but the cards referencing turtles in time are pretty cool
Hardly a surprise. They are very aware that most people are like you who only superficially care about 30+ years old material. Hence the overabundance of of the OG cartoon and NES games references.

>>97618106
Yeah honestly its pretty smart of them, I feel like they learned their lesson after they stuffed the Spiderman set with literal whos nobody cares about and it flopped. They should've had cards referencing Spiderman 2 for the PS2

>>97618105
The fuck is 2023's la luz extinguido?

>>97618107
>They should've had cards referencing Spiderman 2 for the PS2
Even older, in fact. They should have focused on the 90's animated cartoon, which is what every millennial knows and cares about.

>>97618109
They had room for Spider Brazil or whatever the fuck but they couldn't spare a single card for Big Wheel, shaking my damn head

>>97618108
the spiderverse style movie
another uglification of popular thing to add to the culture war

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Gwent art was so good, shame they went under.
Loved the animated premium versions

>>97618111
There is ugly and there is whatever that is.
It's not easy at all to make a real ugly cartoon character, they really outdone themselves.

>>97618110
Spider India and UK, no Spider Brazil.

>>97617967
Dont they do like 7 weeks every "gen"?
No shit they are using ai

There's more kino games out there. But for Sorcery and others you have to play in person with fat people. I don't think trannies have discovered it though so that's a plus.

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>>97618116
Forgot pic, the art is traditional not sloppa.

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My favorite MTG art is this piece of cheese.
What's yours?

>>97617992
The FF set looks great and is fun to play. The Avatar set has very cool mechanics gameplay-wise, but half the cards don't fit the game's aesthetic.

Then tere's the Ninja Turtles and Spiderman sets which are both garbage.

>>97618020
>When did it become this normieslop full of jokes and modern references that doesnt even pretend to be a serious fantasy setting?
2019 with the release of the first MLP set. Which by the way was fun.

>>97617970
>we have to be for this shit that's ruining society because artists on twitter are against it!!!
Retard.

UB ruined this game I only started playing a month ago
I'm going to buy 1 of every sealed pack and probably 3 of star trek

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>>97618118
I love these goobers.

>>97617967
I love how Lorcana has been getting away with using AI art from the get go but nobody seems to call them out because the same people that are mad about this sort of thing are disney trannies.

>>97618118
Make him legal you cowards.
And no, Barren Glory (oops) is strictly worse.

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>>97617967
What's your favourite card, whether due to it's art, effect or any other reason. Personally I've always been partial to Unfulfilled Desires: love the art and the "made up" end to a poem, and the effect is cool too, even if not that strong.
Funny how Squandered Resources is so similar looking, even though apparently they were done by different artists.

>>97618126
I love altwin conditions in general, of which Approach of the 2nd Sun is my overall favorite.

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>>97618077
Love Phoglios as well: always funny, sometimes cool, often sexy. Other artists used to draw some great boobies as well.

>>97618021
would

>>97617967
The TMNT set is the most spiritually ugly set ever released for a TCG

>>97618020
The Avengers movies basically nuked millennial entertainment into dust. Everything post-Avengers had to be ironic, referential, silly, and in no way serious.

>>97618050
yeah except the good artists like seb mckinnon get fired because they do not conform to [insert current politically virtual signal] on twitter.

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>>97618068
I readily admit that 98% of it is standardized and sanitized crap with a color filter over it (alb blue cards have tonha a blue hue over the artwork etc.)
>>97618050
One of my favorite more recent cards.

>>97618103
>April is black
They just couldn't help themselves, huh?

>>97618054
>>97618055
The thing with MTG is that it's one of the worst IPs to force crossover slop on because it's already set up so you can do whatever you want in-setting and it would make sense. FFS, we have a Japanese mythology set, you can make a wild west set work if you wanted to.

>>97618134
REDHEAD DETECTED
COMMENCE BLACKWASHING

>>97617967
That sucks.

Is Wizard blacklisting the artists that are found to be using AIslop art? I know this isn't the first time this happened.

One of the few good things about modern MTG is that it's still a good place to find interesting fantasy artists that are working hard and grinding it out. If they lose that to the AIslop menace, that's another thing this game loses.

>>97618135
I'd argue its perfect for crossovers because its just a big disjointed multiverse with no real coherent aesthetic. I could totally believe that the world of Avatar or Forgotten Realms exists amongst its planes, not to mention that making cards of existing characters from other IPs has been a widespread passtime for decades

>>97618055
>whereas Spiderman and TMNT...well.
Devil's advocate (and I really don't want to be), but those are two sets that were almost certainly licensing requirements to get crossover properties they really wanted. Fortnite went through the same failed TMNT push to get Avatar shit, and Star Trek coming later this year is almost certainly in the same 'Paramount desperation' boat now.

>>97618139
Oh I'm sure there's a lot of sets that only exist so they can get to the set they actually wanted to feature

>>97617979
>Feels like they have completely shit the bed with MTG, theyve made so many goofy sets in rapid succession that it makes me wonder if theyre trying to tank the IP and do a runner when they say "were not making any more" which would automatically make every card more valuable. The game itself has no consistency and is fucked now.
lol they're actually getting sued for exactly this

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>>97618068
There's still plenty of good art, albeit, from old and new names alike. Especially since in the past half decade or so there's been less of a directive from above to try to make every art look "consistent" (Read: Boring)

But we are slowly losing ground to both crossover slop and AIslop. Not good.

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>>97618131
>Everything post-Avengers had to be ironic, referential, silly, and in no way serious.
"insincere" is a much more precise term for this

>>97618146
They should've mirrored the art to fit the frame colors, although this was probably done on purpose.

>>97618132
Also Terese Nielsen

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>>97618132
Remember when the disgusting trans creature autumn "rat mouth" burchett did this

>>97618132
>artists like seb mckinnon get fired
immediately we saw the art quality drop off into random digital slop afterward too
i'm still mad
mtg used to be fucking good. really, really fucking good
we don't hate hasbro enough

>>97617967
again?

>>97618150
>What, some marker on basic lands?
>Look at the set
Christ, they are their own worst enemies.

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>>97618055
>MTG boomers cry about missing Blocks
>Wizzards graciously gives us NYC block
>magiboomers piss and shit themselves
i don't get it, why do they not get this is why they aren't appealed to anymore?

>>97617967
Playing MTG in the current year is one humiliation ritual after another. Idk why people do it.

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>>97618020
when wizards focus moved from designing for competitive 60 card formats to 100 card singleton formats. If you play and consume commander products you are part of the problem

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>>97618154
>NYC block
god i hate this is technically true

>>97618147
True, I'm ESL so I have a limited vocabulary.
The attitude is the same as a 12 year old preteen feeling embarassed about his music/fashion tastes and acting ironic about them to not get bullied.

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>>97618042
Avatar, love or hate the aesthetics, was great to draft. Granted, I drafted with a whole bunch of friends.
>Start at midday
>Got like 10 of us
>Had to buy extra boosters so we could actually draft
>One guy could use his office space
>Ordered a bunch of junkfood and slammed back a few brewskis
>Leave late in the night
Looking forward to our Lorwyn draft.

>>97618159
Lorwyn draft is a ton of fun, I managed to end second with a jank-ass kithkin deck

>>97617967
This TMNT thing is legit the worst set in Magic history, bar none. It's a genuinely offensive product. Honestly I think I'd be more upset that a human being sat down and painted that fucking hideous thing and then expected to be paid for it.

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Damn only 4 in the lorwyn tourney

>>97618162
I havent played magic for a long ass time but that card seems like it single handedly makes goblins viable if they werent already

>>97618162
Nobody plays counterspells anymore outside of the free ones in Legacy.

Card's a fucking trap and EDH shitters fell for it.

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>>97618145
The elves in Lorwyn are very cool. I like how evil and racist they are.

>>97618164
Why don't people play counterspells anymore

>>97618166
They do, the Quench one and the one thta counters 2 costs are staples nowadays, no idea what anon is on about

>>97618155
They're deep in the drone sauce or are champions of their bad behaviour.

>>97618166
There just arent many good counters, but people always runs the ones there are.

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>>97618068
the Extended poo universes dont count do they

Tablets and digital art in general was a mistake

>>97618166
>lots of 1 or 2 mana creatures
>very few 1 mana counterspells to answer them
>on the draw the counterspells are weaken due to being one mana behind
>lots of 1 mana removal
>playing a creature and holding removal or playing the removal the turn after is more efficient.

>>97617968
this
MTG has the worst art of all the current TCGs
Even the one piece (fucking one piece) looks better

>>97618172
>lots of 1 mana removal
Yeah and he makes you take damage to remove it

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I am on a mission to free my fellows from the shittiness of commander.
>love designing decks
>Hate commander because its so restrictive
>make so many fun multiplayer decks that everyone can play their own style and have a blast
Surely if I tell the play group they could choose between 40 different decks there would be fun.

>>97618175
I've seen a lot of people get into the rest of magic after getting in through commander, so it can definately happen

>>97618071
>when this creature enters
Enters what? The graveyard? My hand? Muh dick?
The games abandonment of text that innately makes sense was the last straw.

>>97617971
The original blizzard tcg card art is so fucking kino

>>97618177
Literally everyone understand what this means, even 13 yo kids that I taught the game to last week. Keep up

>>97618150
QRD?

>>97618177
Not to mention "you may cast this on a later turn". So if I can cast creatures like instants I still have to wait for my turn to cast this one?

>>97617992
>>for some reasons there is still a desire in my soul to collect the Final Fantasy set (in Japanese) just because the art actually looks cool.
That's because they actually got Yoshi to do shit for it. Same with that Lilliana promo-art for an earlier set.

FF is the first one since Dominara that felt like Wizards put some effort into the fucking thing.

>>97618181
No. It's a creature, is it not? Then you can both cast it for its warp cost and out of exile as an instant if you have another card that gives it flash

>>97618183
But it's says you may cast it from exile at a later turn, not you may cast it from exile or you may cast it from exile as though it were in your hand.

>>97617977
I really appreciate you posting these fat anime titties.

>>97618161
I agree but I don't find it offensive that an artist got paid for that work. Artists are mercenaries, they work for pay. The offensive thing is the fact an art director wanted it and someone above the art director wanted it. Leadership ultimately has the final say and TMNT is what they wanted. None of this awful shit would have happened if leadership had not decided to pay to license TMNT.

>>97618184
Does the flash effect specify it has to be from your hand? If that's the case, then the question answers itself

>>97617967
NOOOOOOOOOOOO ANOTHER TROON LOST HIS JOB THAT HE NEVER HAD

>>97618096

They're all worthless garbage, feel free to disagree and prove yourself a cow piss drinking street shitter.

>>97618172
Also
>Cavern of Souls is standard legal.

>>97618187
Not in the case of a vedalken orrery

>>97618121
Making your video card more expensive isn't "ruining society" you fragile little faggot.

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>meanwhile: yugioh, today

>>97618150
Evil cannot create, only corrupt and destroy.

>>97618189
>brown spacing
lmao

>>97618231
>redditor trying to throw xer spacing on browns
LOL!

>>97617992
>my trash sets are good actually
>>97618180
Fags simp for Therese Nielsen and seethe that someone wrote over her shitty art.

>>97618237
>brownie fixes it after being called out
Thanks for respecting people's pronouns.

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It's sad how much better Yugioh is than every other card game.

>>97618180
They are cards from the "guru" set, pretty rare and they go for about 50+ bucks/euros

>>97618121
How is it ruining society anon? Zoomers are lost they will really rally behind whatever cause you tell them to

>>97618177
No one ever said ETBs they said enters. Pretending to have brain damage so your complains *almost* make sense is an awful look anon.

>>97618180
Britoid tranny wrote that on his cards and whatever tournament he was playing
at didn't allow it, big drama issued until wotc not only capitulated but doubled down on it
Their reasoning was that the cards weren't forbidden because of the slogans wiritten but because the author of said cards doesn't like trannies and has been blacklisted

>>97618286
>50+ bucks/euros
the island is like $1000, forest is 500+

>>97618014
>A card literally depicting someone making AI art, no tools, no artistry, only idea prompt and output.

Topical

>>97617967
Not for the first time, either.
Hasbro can make millions off of MtG, but paying an artist 200 bucks to make something real is a completely impossible financial burden.
This is what happens when you give in to total greed.
Only imbeciles and cucks still monetarily support this corporation.

>>97618502
Huh, dutch magic site here sells them for €50 and they are reputable nedermagic.nl/magic-cards.asp?s=612.

>>97618105
Did they turn 2023 April into a grocery store auntie?

>>97618154
do bagels go good with coffee?

>>97618653
anon they have zero stock and probably never will have stock.
€50 is probably either a random placeholder or just a "if you're really that desperate we'll base our buy price off of that" sort of listing.
https://scryfall.com/card/pgru/2/island

>>97617970
This all artists but especially performers need to be treated as bad actors until proven otherwise

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>>97618105
This is something I can partially excuse, because in the original original Mirage comics she was lightskin mixed, presumably Black and Irish, based on Eastman's real life girlfriend even down to her name. So for once it's not a Jimmy Olsen/Mary Jane Watson/Wally West/Electro/Josie McCoy/Heimdall/etc situation, the pasty redhead *was* the Hollywood change, not the typical other way around, they were just reverting it. Probably happened because the writer Laird was the main one consulted for the show and he didn't know Easton's intent since it was drawn and published in BW. Hell, they even did it to Baxter Stockman, he just got reverted a lot sooner.

BUT they are also clearly going overboard the other direction for virtue signalling reasons. Especially because she's always been a bombshell (for her age in the aged down versions like 2012, something the 14 year old watching could still get a cartoon crush on).

2018 is tentatively acceptable but probably about 15%-20% too far. Hair still reddish at least, skin still slightly on the lighter side maybe she's just a little tanned, I think that series did mostly takes place in a single summer, still has some hips even when she's aged down more curves than 2012 even. Like yes, her voice actor looks closer to comics April than the character, but it's mostly the grandma chic hipster fashion sense that's doing her the disservice. Like, is that even a realistic way for a Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan highschool girl to be dressed? Just looks like some suburban white girl's Tumblr OC. Probably is.

And 2023 is just completely unrecognizable. That's just a second Mindy Kaling Velma.

>>97617967
I remember when the pizza land cards got revealed and everyone went
>That's AI art.
And for weeks the guy who supposedly painted them, in a completely different style than all his other cards, didn't show a single fucking thing. And then he finally comes out and goes
>so sorry it took me so long to find the files and sketches I did to prove I didn't use AI. It's so hard to find the files for my professional artwork that I am paid to make for this commercial product
And every sketch was blatantly just a rough scribble that he did over the AI gen with no variation, as if he just immediately landed on the exact format and layout of each card in one go. Including one photo of him badly trying to replicate holding an object like a pizza slice in the extremely unnatural and confusing way the AI art did, as if he used that for reference... but only for that one card. Didn't need to photograph his hands for reference on any of the other incoherent slop pizza cards, or ever before on anything else he's ever drawn.

>>97618938
>because in the original original Mirage comics she was lightskin mixed, presumably Black and Irish
No she wasn't. That's never been true.

>>97618121
The artists on twitter already ruined society.

>>97617967
Why are people treating this textless OP that somehow confuses MTG with Magic Arena like it's a real news headline and not just another schizo with AI psychosis?

>>97618279
pity (you) for the worst opinion in the thread

>>97618774
I don't know about 'good,' but its a way to cut the bitterness

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>>97618021
theres a lot of cool looking cards still

>>97619544
I don't like this clear piece of draft chaff, but yeah, the art's nice

>>97617972
I don't hate it, but it is kind of generic.

>>97617967
Who the fuck cares? Fuck "artists" wanting free money for a shit hobby. AI does better than any human so why not pai AI instead of the human? Integrate AI into your workflow if you want to ge paid but otherwise just do it as a hobby like every other normal being and get real job

>>97620541
Good morning sir

>>97617970
I'm not going to try to convince you about the merits of art as a human creation, that's way too subjective and contentious to make much headway on, but it should at least be clear why people aren't thrilled about these kinds cost-cutting measures being implemented in a product that is then being sold for the same price as always.

>>97620889
Good morning, what of it?

>>97620927
Why you are not selling your product then if you have such great ideas? Whoever has ideas now can make product with democratized technology. If you have no idea, no support, you are no one, can't distribute, can't market, who are you? Why you deserve product?

>>97618574
Also don't forget they've cut off several of their best artists over politics
politics that 90% of people agree with and 99% of their audience agree with

>>97618026
Just what I was about to say.
>>97618027
Look, I haven't played MtG since 2014. But I just want to let you know, this crossover garbage is the true death knell as far as I'm concerned.
There is nothing redeeming about this hobby anymore. It's gone from being a legitimate game to just being some bizarre vehicle for dogshit corporate crossovers.
I'm not fucking around when I say this shit disgusts me. The LotR shit disgusts me. The Spiderman shit disgusts me.
It's all just blatant cash-grab nonsense. This product has decayed. The only other franchise I find comparable to this shit is Fortnite. It's a travesty, and supporting it with your money is ludicrous.
I've said it before in other threads; we should make our own set. Why not? If it's free, who cares? We can make our own goddamn cards, I think an insular community effort is the only way to reclaim any semblance of self-respect here. I'll come back to the hobby just for that reason, if only we can get enough people interested.
We can get the will to actually make something like in the old days and disengage ourselves from all of this decay and decline, bring back a little creativity. How many cards do we need for a set? 200? Even if no artists bother to aid in the project, we could soullessly use AI to generate some card art we can make 200 cards. And, damn, not like we could be blamed for using AI art when even the REAL cards use that SHIT anyway.
Just saying.
Think about it.

>>97621155
That doesn't even follow. What are you trying to say? Did you mean to reply to another post entirely? Did you have a canned response ready and just posted it the moment you got a new reply?

>>97618053
I am not a big card game player , but I never got why they didn't try to balance around this , by just adding anti removal cards. or just making protection style effects more comon , just add some kind of restriction so that normal and fair removal effects still work.

this seems to be a problem , all card games seem to follow for some reason.

>>97618092
don't insult my clanker you dumb ass nigga , you need to try to get quality so bad.
AI would never think of being so bad you dumb ass nigga.

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>>97617971
shards of alara was one of the best sets of all time, incredibly kino of you to post from it.

>>97618279
it's sad how the game is a mess

>>97618068
because
1-we already agreed almost a decade ago
2-the ones with a brain left for better games, so the remaining ones are either retards or stockholm victims

>>97618053

Creatures SHOULD be bad. Threats in Magic should be weak and slow. The game was infinitely more fun and balanced when the average game was 14 turns long instead of 4.

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>>97618156
I am so sick of you retards regurgitating this.
>Arena kills Standard
>FIRE and Horizons piss and shit all pver Modern
>Nobody has the money for fucking Legacy or Vintage
>Pauper is fun but largely based to MTGO

Gee I wonder why the format that was famous for being able to buy a 40 dollar prepackaged product, and the cards never rotated, and you could just go and fucking play with the other largely casual player ase succeeded.

But no, please, keep blaming fucking Commander because WotC, but more specifically Hasbro, are milking a dead cow because theyre a failing toy company trying to keep their heads above water.

The anti-commander crowd has grown just as loathesome as EDHonlys.

>>97623501
>The game was infinitely more fun and balanced when the average game was 14 turns long instead of 4.
Go play Pauper dipshit. The diversity of good decks and playstyles is insane.

>>97620541
>>97621150
Do not redeem, saar. Bloody bastard.

>>97623531
In an ideal world, every format would be healthy and players could just live among each other regardless of what format they played. I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying - the fault lies on Wizards for not doing anything to ensure formats are healthy.

>The anti-commander crowd has grown just as loathesome as EDHonlys
I think the truth of the world is that a huge number of people are tribal-minded. It's team vs team. And the teams are fighting over a limited pool of cards, limited because Wizards limits it. Because there's no stakes on this website it feels entirely futile trying to convince someone from their tribal thinking - you do it for years and see no change and you just stop engaging. In real life there's less antagonism but the same amount of unwillingless to experiment outside the tribe. Me personally it's been impossible to get people playing any other format except EDH, which is the only format that is growing. On one level I don't need to care because I already made my friends when Magic was healthy but nobody is joining my friends to play non-EDH Magic.

I am at a total loss at how to unfuck this situation because as you said it is entirely on Wizards. I don't want less EDH being played in order to bolster the other formats because this shouldn't be a net-zero thing. The whole community should grow with people playing a diversity of formats but that's not happening because the most natural way to join Magic is EDH. It's the same way with golf how it has priced out the entire population and the most golf that gets played among the youth is mini-golf.

I don't know about you but at this point I'm settled into watching all the formats other than EDH die because there's simply no way to stop this from happening. And all the bitching in the world won't change anything when it is real-life self-interest economic factors deciding that EDH is going to be the way Magic is played from here on out.

>>97621341
You are the luddite complaining so explain yourself.

>>97617970
True, but just because artists should be forced to get a real job for once it doesn't mean I want ai slop shoved in my face all the time non stop

>>97623899
Why not? What else would you get if not AI when artists are dead?

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I LOVE PLAYING LIMITED!

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>>97624723
Nothing like trying to screw me with a forced loss.

>>97617967
Proof?

>>97618049
>Here's my totally real sketch of the card I didn't generate with AI!
>You can tlel it's not AI because I provided multiple near-identical images with no meaningful changes
>I even took a picture of myself pretending to hold a pizza slice in the same way even though it makes zero sense for someone to grip a slice of pizza with the bottom of their finger and first knuckles (plz don't bully me about the way the final piece isn't using the same post as my photo ref and how the AI hand is somehow more relaxed and less awkward than my attempt to replicate the pose)
>Look! There's brush strokes! AI totally can't do that! No one has ever hastily painted details onto an AI gen in an attempt to hide their crimes!

>>97618181
where does that card say it changes normal timing rules?

>>97618049
the thumb isn't even touching the pizza slice, its being held up between the ball of the hand and the fingers despite the fingers not curling around to actually put pressure on the ball of the hand

also the island is a slice of pizza floating over an endless sea of cheese despite the other 4 lands having definite backgrounds like tables or walls

>>97618192
Have you tried to use google image search lately?
>>97619142
True desu.

>>97625187
>Have you tried to use google image search lately?
And what do you want to find on it? Why? Be specific.

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>>97618049
that hand reminds me of the soilent hand guy with that bottle opener thing

>>97625142
Actually, Red, Green, and Blue are all floating in cloudy or goopy voids. Interestingly, only the white pizza land is holding the slice correctly. Even that one has some bizzare shit going on with the cheese and toopings exploding and oozing all across the table, though.

All the rest have the slice pointing towards the holder in a very awkward way. Crust out, tip towards the viewer, with the hand coming from the bottom or side of the frame. Makes very little sense for pizza, a circular food with the crust facing outward on all edges so people will have something to grab onto when reaching towards the center of the table, right?

The black pizza land is also weird because the slice is being held (very awkwardly) from the back, but the slice itself is on the edge of a massive wooden (?) platter where the crust should be facing the viewer, or there should be other slices with the crust facing out. And again with the topping and oozey cheese just splattered all across the surface.

There's not a lot of understandable artistic decisions being made here. Makes me think that a bad imagen AI was used, maybe one with a model or lora trained on the guy's other art, in hopes of skirting any potential drama if he got caught. The orientation of every slice in these cards is maybe the most damning piece of evidence though. Look at the results when you google "pizza slice" and you'll see that almost all of them are usually crust at the top, point down, overly glossy from studio lighting for stock photos, and the cartoon illustrations tend to over-emphasize the drippy/stretchy cheese.

I'd wager AI gen + paint-over to get the land symbols in there.

>>97625203
THE FUCKING IMAGE I'M LOOKING FOR INSTEAD OF SLOP
IS THAT SPECIFIC ENOUGH FOR YOU?

>>97625314
Well what are you looking for specifically?

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>>97617996
>LoTR
AI art that is better than the original
https://7chan.org/tg/res/131543.html#i132480
*sigh*

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>>97617971
>>97621787
MTG Used to have the best art of all TCG's, and it's also incredibly good taste of you anons to reference alara, it was one of the best modern sets for mtg. if you look back at the premodern era of magic art, almost all of it is spectacular.

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>>97617970
Truly sad you’ve never had a creative thought in your life

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>>97628071
I fucking loved Bant personally.

>>97618002
It's not, OP is just shitposting.

>>97618097
You are mentally retarded. Never speak on behalf of art again.

>>97618109
No not really, that's a gen X cartoon.

>>97617970
SAAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE ARTIST U BLOODY FUCK

>>97618047
making text clunkier to read to own my perceived enemies

Fuck artists.

>>97618098
if you actually believe this I doubt you ever created anything artistic before AI existed, or are just ragebaiting and are permanently online yourself.

Im mad I missed the train on being able to make a living by literally doing shit I did as a child and now too old to get a new easy profession. born to die I guess

>>97617985
You sort of have to compare it to powers, it's roughly a 4 damage per turn power, doubled with Wrath. This makes it a relatively poor card, as Combustion from Ironclad does very similar things for 1 less energy and is an AOE.
That said, I've picked it in a handful of A20 runs and it played a vital role in winning. At certain point you sort of have to look at your deck and realize "I have everything but damage" then Windmill strike will make perfect sense when it randomly appear mid act 3. It plays well against Time Eater and the Heart. since it has decent per-cast value, which could be built up by any Vault you have.
It is also one of the cards that get a lot of bad rap because it is weak act 1 and feels bad to have when you are overpowered, but by right in most decks it is pretty decent because the floor of a random card that doesn't redraw itself (Retain) is quite high, compared to several bad Watcher powers that will constantly shuffle themselves back into your hand until you spend energy to get rid of it. It's an okay card to get off of random transforms for example.

>>97617969
SPBP

>>97618043
If we aren't including cards with multiple faces or the full text basics then this is still the wordiest.

>>97618087
Thought scour it would only trigger once for both cards.